Dead Mac Classic II - Can We Save It?

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Ep 57 : More cleaning, retrobrighting, recapping, montages, and hot air than you can handle! Also: SCSI2SD setup, a tour of the Classic II’s logic board, benchmarking, and more. What could be better?
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00:00 Introduction
00:57 Retrobrighting
02:49 Logic Board Tour
05:11 Cleaning and Recapping the Logic Board
14:41 Recapping the Analog Board
20:20 The Big Reveal
22:47 Setup, Final Adjustments, and Testing
30:14 Conclusion
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@retrobitstv 8 месяцев назад

Sound is now working! It turned out to be a corroded trace under one of the caps. Thomas from Amiga of Rochester diagnosed and repaired the issue for me :D

@ianpolpo 2 года назад

For the At Ease password, I wonder if it's "Oxenfree" given the hint of "Ollie, Ollie"!

@Viking_Cookie 2 года назад

That was my first thought too

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Totally didn't even think to try that. I will test it out and report back next time I open it back up so I can reinstall the HDD.

@julianha2309 2 года назад

For sound issue another tip: desolder the EGRET-Chips, clean the chip legs and the pads with IPA and solder them in again. Check, if any trace on the SMD caps on the upper right was accidentally was soldered to a trace where solder mask has gone (happened to me)

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks for the tips, I will definitely check these!

@michaelsworkshop9031 2 года назад

@19:58 the capacitance value being +/- ~10% of the listed value is common for capacitors like these, depending on grade; but the ESR is definitely far higher than expected. Check the rear audio jack - it has a switch inside that can get stuck out of position, eliminating internal audio. I would also try swapping the speaker with another known working one if possible.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Cool, thanks for the tips. I did spray some contact cleaner in the jack and plugged/unplugged a cable a bunch of times but I will try to see if I can inspect it more closely.

@angrydove4067 2 года назад

Great job and good looking solder joints. You will love the BlueSCSI, I sure do, using Basilisk II to make the drive image and you have your Mac always backed up.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! I will be looking into a BlueSCSI ASAP!

@geekwithsocialskills 2 года назад

That Macintosh Classic II came out really nice! Great job on the surface mount recapping.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! I'm really pleased with the result and glad I didn't ruin the board. Now to get a BlueSCSI and the sound working.

@darkwinter6028 2 года назад

Well, that sure cleaned up nicely!

@75slaine 2 года назад

Fantastic restore Matt, you made that surface mount work look so easy.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! Nothing like watching a lot of other RU-vid videos beforehand to prepare :)

@dave4shmups 2 года назад

Great job restoring this Mac! I never played Dark Castle, but I did play a lot of the sequel, Beyond Dark Castle, on my Dad's Macintosh 512K.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! I will have to check out the sequel. I need more stuff to load on the machine anyway :)

@iamdkk 2 года назад

Based on the schematic I would remove / clean and/or replace U1 next which seems to be the audio op-amp and is right near those caps.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks for the tip! I did previously re-solder the pings of the op-amp but I didn't remove it entirely to inspect/clean.

@dorfschmidt4833 2 года назад

Check the vias under the SMD capacitors for continuity.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

D'oh, that means I have to remove them again huh :/

@rager1969 2 года назад

Great job! I'm always amazed at Adrian Black's repairs and realize they are out of my reach. Your videos seem more doable for me.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! I also enjoy Adrian's videos and hope to someday be able to diagnose problems like he does, but I've only been doing this a short while and am still learning the basics. Baby steps :)

@ando8262 2 года назад

Very just wow

@JeffTiberend Год назад

Looks wonderful! This was my first Macintosh. I loved every moment with it.

@RacerX- 2 года назад

Nice restoration! I have the same Mac only mine is badged the Performa 200. I recapped it years ago but I don't think I did the analog board. Guess I better recap to be safe. Thanks for the great video.

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! At least with the analog board it's all through-hole caps :)

@Otakunopodcast 2 года назад

Beautiful board restoration, and great job with the surface mount caps! And ohhh yeah, leaky cap juice certainly has a distinctive odor, doesn't it? ;-) And a great tip re safety glasses, something I completely forgot to mention in my comment on your previous video. Yeah, those things do have a tendency to go "pop" sometimes, although usually this only happens with newer caps... older dried-out or leaked-out ones generally don't have enough electrolyte left to go "pow!". Still, best not to take any chances. :) Sorry to hear (well, more accurately "not hear" ;-) ) that the sound wasn't working tho. :(

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Thanks! I will keep plugging away at it and get the sound working - how hard can it be? :)

@1BitFeverDreams 2 года назад

Nice video, shame about the sound. It's unfortunately always a hard fight for machines of this era and there seems to be no consistent solution for it.

@tetsujin_144 2 года назад

Nice. I'm still trying to get myself a compact mac that hasn't been battery-bombed to hell...

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Yeah I got lucky that this one appears to have had the battery replaced. Some really post-apocalyptic looking logic boards out there.

@kenknight5983 2 года назад

This might be a little too obvious, but are the small tracks going out from the sound chip all unbroken?

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

I didn't see any that were damaged but I will have to take a closer look with some magnification and tone out the traces too.

@lilbluefoxie Год назад

How do you prevent the apple logo from fading with that retrobrite process?

@retrobitstv Год назад

It got faded :( Next time I'd either remove it first or possibly put tape over it so it doesn't come in contact with the peroxide solution.

@anotheruser9876 2 года назад

So the speaker doesn't work. Does the headphone port work at all?

@tetsujin_144 2 года назад

Does the speaker cut out when a headphone is inserted? If so could the machine think there is a headset plugged in? I guess plugging in a headset is the first step to testing that possibility...

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

I tested the rear jack with some headphones as well as some powered speakers and no sound comes out. There is a small "pop" when the machine is powered on which makes me think perhaps the little amplifier chip is working at least.

@darkwinter6028 2 года назад

There’s also a new FPU card available, IIRC…

@geekwithsocialskills 2 года назад

He mentions this around the 3:08 mark in the video.

@darkwinter6028 2 года назад

@@geekwithsocialskills I thought that he was referring to the old one that was available in the ‘90s? I’m thinking of an entirely new design; I think it was for the Classic II… anyway where I read about it was on 68Kmla…

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

I just learned about that new FPU board on Twitter within hours of finishing this video! But yea, I read somewhere in my research that at least one, possibly more third parties created FPU cards for the Classic II back in the day which seems to be corroborated by some forum posts and old eBay auctions but details are slim.

@octonoozle 2 года назад

The password was Ollie

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

I will try that!

@dennisp.2147 2 года назад

The password has to be oxenfreed...

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

Didn't even occur to me to try that. I will next time I get the HDD hooked back up!

@Stefan_Payne 2 года назад

My reccomendaation for SMD Capacitors: Just use 2 Soldering Irons, 2 handed and just flip it off. That should work well enough for this job.

@markdjdeenix6846 2 года назад

It’s probably via damage

@retrobitstv 2 года назад

I'm ready to admit that's a possibility but I'm hoping it's something else simple that I missed. There are some small tantalum caps on the back side of the board that I didn't replace but I guess I need to inspect and test those as well.

@markdjdeenix6846 2 года назад

@@retrobitstv yes hopefully a simple fix