DEADLY 🏴‍☠️ how to prevent tank slapper | death wobble on your motorcycle

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So I talk about the infamous tank slapper, and death wobble that a lot of people experience on their motorcycle. I also go over the causes why many of us experience the motorcycle sway back and forth in the rear on our Harley Davidson touring bikes. it is so important to make sure your motorcycle is always in perfect working condition before you go out on rides. I also recommend the importance of a good after market suspension system.
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@merlinphumc69 Год назад

So for the people looking at this video for fixes. Front wheel side to side is usually steering head bearings going bad/being out of adjustment. Yes wheel weight can be a factor but usually a consistent front side to side “slap is steering head bearing. Rear swing arm “dyna wobble” or side to side is a design flaw by Harley rear isolators mounting a fork “swingarm” to the bike. The fox is simple. Solid rear bushings or stabilizer “alloy art, tru track” while yes suspension helps with this by aligning the fork/adding spherical bearings. The biggest thing is flex between frame, and fork. Cheapest and best in my opinion is alloy art stabilizer. Also can be caused by a cupped tire caused by tire pressure/cheap tires. So it’s not always a single thing causing the issue but it could be a couple different things that cause it.

@trez2187 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely

@mnstrmike4853 2 месяца назад

Say your traveling at the speed limit is it likely or just at higher speeds?

@merlinphumc69 2 месяца назад

@@mnstrmike4853 including everything listed above also consider the following. straight line would usually be associated to imbalance wheels, bearings “steering or wheel” going bad, or improper install of wheels. In a turn is usually associated to rubber mounts/isolators, or suspension geometry. To get it dialed in really depends on the the setup.

@mnstrmike4853 2 месяца назад

@merlinphumc69 my 05 dyna has never did it but I stay near the speed limit. That's why I was asking if it does the wobble because of speeding?

@johngallays3399 Год назад

Hi John I have a 2018 streetglide I bought new I’ve had this wobble in my bike from new The first time it happened to me we were on strait road , road was in good condition, I brought to my dealer and they checked it out and said it was the fall away so they tightened the steerinbearing to reduce the fall away . That really didn’t change anything. Over the years I’ve added progressive shocks in front and back but I still have it . I have recently added Olin’s in the back. I still have the wobble The wobble now seems to be mostly at about 130 kms on a right hand curve, I’m always ready for it so I’m prepared for it. What I do now is slow down and lean forward on the motorcycle and this keeps it under control The motorcycle never been in an accident, it doesn’t seem to matter if I have new tires or not , I have 60000 kms on it now and it still has the wobble same as when it was new Looking forward to your reply Thanks John

@tommiller8714 Год назад

Whenever I buy a brand new Harley Bagger: before taking delivery, 3 things I have the Service Dept. do are... 1. Replace the rear shocks with upgraded, adjustable performance shocks (I prefer RWD, Legends). 2. Install a Fan to the oil cooler and flash the ECM. 3. Install a Trask M8 Checkvent (to ventilate the crankcase). I typically wait until the 1k service before doing a Stage-1 upgrade (and 3k miles before doing a Stage-2 upgrade) Bars and Seat upgrades I also do, along with the front suspension; as time & finances allow. Tom M., '21 RGS 114 Stage-2

@frankhabib5748 Год назад

I had this happen to me on I 70 East out of Denver at 75 mph. Really scary; keep hands on the grips, let off throttle, tap rear brake and slow down as suggested. Stayed up and it never happened again. Once is enough.

@JoeGoeMotorcycleAdventures Год назад

Great topic, you nailed it. It was a night and day difference when I changed my front and rear to Legends.

@RGHD912 Год назад

I’ve had the rear sway back and forth at 80+mph in a curve, put Proaction shocks in the rear and can now go over 100+ no problem. Great info.

@jimmyclaxton6763 Год назад

Great video. I own a 2007 Street Glide I bought it new in 07. I’ve felt it wobble a little through the years. I replaced the front suspension with the Progressive years ago. Last year I replaced the factory Harley rear shocks with Ohlins I haven’t felt it wobble anymore. The single best up grade anyone can do to a Harley. Getting rid of the stock suspension. Be safe brother man.

@scottreps9167 Год назад

The neck bearing is also an important part to the front end

@tscreez490 Год назад

I’m glad you mentioned that, I was curious if there was something else in the front end to inspect. From having a issue with my bike feeling wobbly, I installed a great tire, I replaced the rear shocks and front springs on my Road Glide. Harley springs are not good compared to these after market parts. I have a better ride and I have more confidence on the highway at high speeds again, but i never looked into the Neck Bearing. Thanks!

@CGB65 Год назад

This was an excellent topic. I enjoyed reading everybody's comments. I had a 2006 Road Glide. I hit a large bump one day and noted later on that I had rear steer when I changed lanes in the super slab. I stopped in to see my local bike shop owner. He found the front motor mount was damaged. New $20 dollar motor mount, problem solved.

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@dannyhoke5563 Год назад

I think this happened to me but not sure what caused it. If I ride around 45-50 MPH with one hand the bars shake almost like turning left and right really fast. Under 40 or over 60 there zero shake. I think you helped me solve the issue. Thanks John!!

@cobyabbygayle Год назад

Great information. Being using Ride-on for many years. First thing I did when I got my new bike last year was to remove the weights and added ride-on to both tires. JUST DO IT! you will be glad you did.

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Thanks for sharing!

@MrTurnone Год назад

Thanks for sharing that, very timely. I have just been researching this very thing. Fort9 just did a solid test on these and and ride-on was tops.

@jaimebedolla989 Год назад

What is Ride -On ?

@pmak10 Год назад

Great information! It's hard to believe that Harley engineers designed the rear shocks so that there is unequal force on the rear suspension. I don't want to ever experience that issue. Thank you for all your work and great videos.

@DJAC17 Год назад

I have never experienced this but I am still young with riding so really good information. Appreciate this

@garvinboyce2937 Год назад

Great topic I had a 06 Roadking and it happened to me what I found out was the front motor mount by the oil filter was bad I replaced it and never had that problem again. I’m on a 2012 Roadking now and haven’t felt it at all. Thanks for all you do brother…

@michaelpawlikowski1983 Год назад

Thanks for the info John. I installed LS front and rear on my 2020 RKS around 2000 miles. Completely different ride from stock. The bike feels lighter in the curves! I’ve been very pleased with the set up and improved handling. Recently, after about 8000 miles I had an issue with my right rear shock leaking at the adjustment knob. Contacted LS and filled out a warranty claim. Within 24 hours I was sent a UPS ground shipping label requesting return for inspection. After a few days, I was contacted my shocks were being repaired and will be shipped out the following day under warranty. Top notch customer service!

@waydel1 Год назад

Get rid of those stock Harley shocks, amazing that you can spend 30 plus k on a motorcycle and have to spend another 1500-2000 on good shocks

@jamessearle9693 Год назад

Great Heads Up.. Coming up on 50 years of MC riding and have not run across this issue!! Good advice here to keep maintenance at the top of the list.. Cheers... J

@emjaycoleman2529 Год назад

Hey John and fellow VETERAN, I appreciate that content because nobody else is talking about this on RU-vid. I’m certainly looking to change out my suspension front and rear. What dates are you going to be in Daytona because I’m unable to attend the entire event timeframe. Thanks 🙏 again and hope to see you soon. Salute 🫡

@edatkinson9609 Год назад

Legend shocks will be my next investment! Thanks for the in depth analysis of the death wobble John.

@russrussell4097 Год назад

Great advice especially about the swing arm bushings that easily get overlooked. Going to look at a 2002 ultra classic soon and I will pay close attention to these items. Thanks for you efforts and time.

@randolphjones4814 5 месяцев назад

I just bought me one it's a 2013 and they sold me a bad limon my bike does this and the service department won't fix my bike so don't buy no bikes from riverside harley Davidson go some place else to but you a safe bike

@anthonyprovenzano867 Год назад

Never experienced the situation but it’s always nice to be prepared and appreciate the video.

@willkearney5002 Год назад

John my man, great topic n video as always. I've witnessed this on a buddy of mine 08 road King. His issue was the front wheel spokes were broken after hitting a pothole. Traveling behind him, the bike looked to be Traveling sideways (out of alignment) very scary Traveling on the NJ Turnpike.

@Macx912 Год назад

Coming home from Sturgis 10 years ago a member of our group in an Ultra had the death wobble coming downhill in South Dakota. He recovered it and pulled onto the shoulder and fell into the grass in disbelief. One of the scariest things I’ve seen on the road. We believed the hi winds and speed caused it.

@justinba2470 Год назад

Commenting on the video to win that exhaust! 😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉

@Actionjackson-HD Год назад

Enjoyed this one. Always a worry in the back of my mind. Important to always check tires often.

@domgittie100 Год назад

I thought the wobble was only on older models and had something to do with the motor mounts… But thanks for the info my wife has a switch back and it has a wobble if you go over 90 I’ll check the front end

@waltertodd4281 Год назад

I had a case of death wobble on a '70 BSA back in 1971 when I went to pass a car on the interstate at about 75 mph. After checking the usual causes, I found that the frame had broken about two inches above the place where the front of the motor mounted to the down tubes. The bike had not been in a wreck or struck anything with the frame. BSA warranted the frame and replaced it.

@MSM1956 Год назад

Can’t overstate how important it is to check tire pressure. Unfortunately it’s a pain in the ass to attach the air nozzle on most baggers. Newer bikes have air stems bent at a 90 degree angle instead of straight up which makes it significantly easier.

@chriswilson4675 Год назад

Great videos John!! Do you still have Silverback? Do you still own your own company. It appears you are a full time u tuber ? I never see any evidence that your still Contracting or maybe you have a great team of people that is running the business and allowing you to run your channel. Hope you have the best of success. Seems like your living the dream. And I know nothing comes easy. Wishing you well...

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Thanks 🙏

@davidwuolle483 Год назад

Good sound advice. I have a 2021 FLHX and experienced the sway going around sweeping corners. Added Legends suspension to the front and rear. No more sway. Keep up these informative videos.

@J.3.T.Z. Год назад

Good tips on the death wobble. Usually is suspension or tires like you said.

@keithrad1 Год назад

On my fourth Harley and 3rd Road Glide, now Limited. Never had wheel wobble but have noticed and wondered about that feeling I get going around a long curve such as you described. It's not a scary feeling but a little back and forth on the bars while in the turn. You explained it well and now I know. Sort of pisses me off. Riding the top-of-the-line Harley and now I have to think about $1K to $2K for shocks cause of a poor design. May try you balancing liquid too, noticed some vibration around 110. It's a new 2022 RG Limited with only 8K and shouldn't have any. Thanks for explaining this.

@andrekelsey2418 Год назад

Thank you for the education I appreciate all your content especially the ones I learn from.

@cliffordperanio9929 Год назад

That happened to me more than 25 years ago. The highway was being repaved and on the 3rd lane and when I went over it that’s when it happened the death wobble. I slowly reduced the speed and held on to the handle bars. I heard of some thing like that. Once I got to my dealership and told them what happened they replaced my head bearings. That never happened to me again.

@mikedamelio8479 Год назад

Love your videos and content. Keep up the good work brother! Definitely gonna try to make it to your meet and greet with my crew.

@jeremyhawkins3775 Год назад

This happened to me on my last road glide. 2013 road glide ultra with only 700 miles on it. I ended up selling it. Now have a 2021 RGS and love it!

@Arizona_rider 3 месяца назад

I bought a used Harley found in pieces. Someone put it together and I rode it. Death wobble at 70. Passing someone and it started wobbling. Took it to a progressional. Triple tree was not even the correct one. Causing it not to be tight. The bearings were trashed… the tires were never balanced. Rear rim was missing center ring or something and front axle didn’t have a correct shim and spacer. I bought a good used rim.. it cost me 1100$ all together to get right. I can now ride 90 and go into corners with confidence

@ncautolink Год назад

I agree about tires, but also the loose head steering bearings will cause it. It happened to me on the 2003 Duce. Also had an issue w my old 2007 Street Glide w worn our swing arm bushing and loose head bearings. I had to get head bearings adjusted every 8k miles. Also the bad Allignment will might cause it. The death wobble is not a joke. If you doing 80-90mph it’s very hard to slow down to stop it.

@rob4730 Год назад

Good info. I've had death wobble in an old truck once. I can't imagine having it on my bike.

@wendtro623 Год назад

One of the first additions I do on every motorcycle I’ve bought is changing out the from and rear stock shocks. You can tell a big difference 100%.

@booxilla.1968 Год назад

Hey John, I remember having the backend swaying in a curve. Scared the chit out of me! But not only did I need to change my rear shocks, but I realized I had more content in one saddlebag to the point that the weight was distributed unevenly. Now I try to make sure I put even amounts in both bags. And I did upgrade my rears. Also, what days will you be in Daytona?

@scottpeters2974 Год назад

Hit the nail on the head! Had it happen at 105 mph. Lots of great points made. Thanks.

@charleshamilton-wh2rs Год назад

This is a video I have been looking forward to viewing. I have heard of it and never experienced it (nor do I). Good info and tips!!

@ronalds2080 Год назад

Thanks for the info John . I've never experienced the death wobble and God willing I never will. Ride safe brother.

@kclarkeadventures Год назад

Great video. Totally agree. Custom shocks make big difference.

@scottmcarthur2976 Год назад

Great information on going around a corner fast. That's when I used to get some wobble on my 2017 streetglide. Slow down asap is good info. Upgraded to olins shocks in the rear for now and works better, but yes got to slow down a bit. Hard to do with a new cam though! Thanks for the info and ride safe!

@jamesmichael7922 Год назад

Hey John, you hit the mail on the head. Suspension and tires are the biggest culprit. Love the info and content. Keep up the great work!

@electrabob Год назад

On my '84 FLH that I still own, over 35 yrs ago I was out on route 80 by Lk Hopatcong on my way home and the front end started to wobble. Yea, I was jammin'!! I slowed down and realized what was happening. I bought it back up to just have a minimal wobble and decided not to play anymore. I brought it right to Steele's HD in Bloomfield. We jacked up the front end and the forks had a lot of play. They tightened up the steering neck nut, bent back the big washer to prevent it from loosening up and my problem was solved. I've never had an issue since. Thanks for the info!

@timworthy4073 Год назад

100% had it happen on my 22 Road Glide. You are spot on because we took a big sweeping curve on some very “wavy” section of highway we had never been on before. All three guys got it at same time and all had stock suspension.

@jlmchiloverap Год назад

Thanks for all the information buddy, very useful for the ones that don’t know a lot about mechanics

@robertmoore1537 Год назад

Great info John. 👍 I really hope nobody has to experience that! Since new I felt my 2020 RG wasn't perfectly aligned with the front & Rear wheel. Digital bevel guage on the rotors showed Few degrees off. Upgraded the rear shocks and its perfectly aligned now. Bike tracks and feels much better now.

@MrCgallegos85 Год назад

I’ve learned this the hard way when I was younger on rockets. Great topic and content!

@jeremysmith7572 Год назад

Thanks bro for actually giving some reasons why this could happen… Everyone just says it happens and I don’t wanna here that 😆

@anthonybrincefield2812 Год назад

Although I’ve never experienced the wobble on my SGS ,I have on a metric bike years ago definitely gets your attention. I’m planning on installing some Legends before riding season this year.

@kentuckyjustice1408 2 месяца назад

You'd think that a company like HD would take care of something this dangerous. You KNOW they know about it. They've been sued over it a number of times. CRAZY! 🙉

@bryanjames5767 Год назад

Thanks for a great video!!! I have only been riding again for a year and this just changed my priorities on upgrades.

@Evil_Empire42 Год назад

I have experienced the wobble myself! It was about a year after I replaced both front and rear shocks. I went straight over to my independent shop to discuss the situation. We determined a few things; correct tire pressure in both tires, even weight distribution in the saddlebags. It seems like I always had the left bag with my “just in case items” tools, extra gloves, sweatshirt, cleaning supplies, first aid kit. The other side was were I put my chaps and jacket after the ride.

@galaxydetailing8098 Год назад

It is a very scary experience for sure!! Everyone stay safe out there!! Thanks john!! Great video

@Country-Marshal Год назад

Great info, brother. Great to see you Saturday. Keep the content going. You're doin it right. Be safe.

@jmc4246 Год назад

I have seen this in person, and I really appreciate the video. Very informative

@fernandobazo6369 Год назад

Good video man, it is very important to understand why this shaking happens. I have about 12K miles in my ultra and I am always keeping the eye on tire/wheel quality condition

@jimchurchman2628 Год назад

Happened to me when my Road King with runflat police tires got a screw in rear tire and lost all air but didn’t look flat. I could control it and rode the rest of the trip and then to a Harley dealer next day.

@SILVERGHOST-qu5cn Год назад

My street glide will wobble if I corner to aggressive sometimes, stock suspension is trash for sure. My 2020 glide is still all stock all those upgrades would be pretty cool to win for sure 😎

@budowens6478 Год назад

Great job explaining. I always slow down on unstable road conditions.

@stevedavis3436 Год назад

Tires are the biggest deal,my 07 street glide in long corner would sway the back,but the new bikes have different engine mounts and I don't experience that on my 2020 roadglide. The single front engine mount on older bikes was the culprit.

@ipolysix8978 Год назад

Live your content man! Especially the videos in upstate New York near Ithaca, I live near harvs in Macedon and to see you visit there was awesome as well. Keep up amazing content!

@southerntanker001 Год назад

Great Video John! I love my 2022 Road Glide S that I just got for Christmas. Great channel for Bagger info! I hope to see you in Daytona! Shiny Side Up!

@HvacandHarleys Год назад

Just got a 2004 Dyna Low rider. It’s my first cruiser. I notice that the ass end feels like it’s gonna slide out at times and this is doing like 50-60mph. Been researching and this is a informative video. Tires are good, mounts are good, no damage, I am looking to buy the sputhe kit

@brucesantacory1390 Год назад

you are right about the tire and wheel care, but wobbles can happen with loose or worn neck bearings, and if the bike is loaded improperly, too much weight too far back can cause a wobble and lastly and more often the case on Dyna's the Rubber Mount system if you have a bad mount or mount bushing that can cause wobbles as well

@mnstrmike4853 2 месяца назад

Would the wobble happen at regular speeds or is it just when going fast?

@greglhuffman426 4 месяца назад

I've never had one been riding for 25 years maintenance is key to safe riding

@carysalas3521 Год назад

Been watching your channel for a while. Always great content!🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

@keithrjohnson7028 Год назад

Great video never had it happen to me so needless to say never had to change my underwear when I got home. Everything you said makes perfect sense.

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Haha I bet 👍👍

@terrymorning3216 Год назад

Great and informative. I put Legends on the rear of my RKS last spring. It was big change and made the bike way more stable.

@mattthomas2712 Год назад

Great topic man! Not enough people talking about how to prevent these kinds of things before they happen. Thanks for another great video!

@davehagblom7120 Год назад

Hey John, great vid and safety tips. Never happened yet but have upgraded both front and rear suspension to Revo A on the rear and Revo AVEC on the front on my 21 RG. Just received my shipment of Ride On yesterday (ordered it after your vid on that)and will get me tires done this weekend. Enjoy your channel. Thanks for sharing.

@brucejoseph3418 Год назад

Someone has finally addressed the Death Wobble

@ronaldjensen9987 Год назад

This is a great video, you'll have tons of comments on this topic!! "The Wobble", I would first suggest to "Pull in your clutch". This takes all the power off everything! Then "let up on the throttle and coast" until the wobble is gone. Thanks, Ronald.

@bradvols Год назад

I've never had it happen to me on a street bike. It's happens to me on dirt and inspection after showed rim was slightly bent.

@kevincarnes7598 Год назад

Hey John, I definitely felt that with the stock suspension. I put Legend Revo A’s on and it’s a world of difference! I plan to put the Legends in the front also! Great info as always!!

@JasonSkane Год назад

Great video & topic!!!! Taking a minute for pre-ride maintenance goes a long way for a safe ride.

@Roadglide117 Год назад

Agreed, the first thing I did before I even pick up my road king was put legend rear suspension on it. Makes a world of difference. The stock ones are crap!

@Sbhunter1 Год назад

As usual, good content that is very much needed!👍🏽👍🏽

@nicksteele5459 Год назад

I've never had that happen to me but I've seen it happen scary as hell hope it never does happen to me or anyone else

@robertfagan8833 Год назад

Great video John. That death wobble thing is extremely scary.great suspension tips and other suggestions. Hopefully this video will prevent some serious injuries

@stephendavidcavuoti6548 3 месяца назад

Haven’t drove a Harley yet but at 67 and now going to get back on and I looking at and now committed to investing in one !

@chuckshippey1562 Год назад

Love your channel and really learn a lot from your videos!

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Glad to hear it!

@FLHXDUDE Год назад

Awesome video as always brother!!

@livtag2476 Год назад

Hello Mate. Great info as with your other videos, definately scary stuff when tank slaps occur, I changed out the crap rear shocks to Nitron Racing Shocks custom made to my weight & installed Bitubo adjustable front fork cartridges and haven't had any of the rear wobble at high speeds since, those standard rear shocks are a joke especially the dummy non adjustable side which looks like it should be on a scooter not a heavy bagger. I would love to install the chrome werks full system on my 114 streetglide and show all my mates here in Ozzyland Sydney Australia and scare all the Kangaroos off the road as your bike sounds wicked with the chrome werks exhaust lol. All the best and ride safe champ.

@newenglandbiker2220 Год назад

Great video! Your the first channel I have viewed that talked about this. Thanks!

@derrickmills9249 Год назад

Thank you sir this video has been very informative. I'm a survivor of the wobbly.

@c.o.b.8086 Год назад

I used to be a club racer years ago. Tank slapper exiting a turn and accelerating. Rolled off the throttle, slid my ass back in the seat and pushed forward on the bars with everything I had. I was lucky enough to recover it and finish the race. I believe I hit a patch on the track but, It was good for 1 hell of an adrenaline pump and never took that line on the track again. I agree with your suspension theory! I was on a dialed in superbike with after market suspension and very sticky slicks so sometimes its those pesky gremlims

@joseochoa1837 7 месяцев назад

It happened tome on a 2019 road glide going to Daytona and it was the swing-arm bushing so I changed them to performance shocks, front and back. You have great information for everyone that loves to ride as we do. Follow friends his channel is great for all from beginner to advanced. Love your set up by the way .. Mad Max is the set up..

@CYCLEFANATIX 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Jose

@johnbarber1295 Год назад

Death Wobble or tank slap on a Harley touring bike is frequently caused by under torqued neck bearings. Under torqued neck bearings and bad or improperly inflated tires.

@elcoqui2470 Год назад

Hello John, I've been following you on Instagram and watching your videos for about a year now. I thought for sure I had subscribed to your channel since you met a former co-worker Robert Simmons. Thanks for clearing up some reasons for the tank slap condition. I still have my stock suspension on my 2018 Ultra Limited, what kind of suspension do you have on your rear suspension on your bike? Hector

@frankbrown9107 Год назад

I can confirm your statments concerning Ride On TPS. I dont ride without it. Also found that its absolutely imperative to keep proper tire pressures. Awesome segment. See you in Daytona..

@CYCLEFANATIX Год назад

Thx Frank

@ronberry5316 Год назад

I've only ever experienced death wobble on a '47 Willys CJ 2A. My '19 RG will sway at 80+ on long sweepers. Can't wait to upgrade those rear pos shocks. Thanks for the video.

@jaimebedolla989 Год назад

Great Video John , glad you addressed the Death Wobble/ Tank Slap , very informative and had no idea about rear stick shocks . Thanks !!!