Death Battle's "Marvel VS DC Problem" 

My guess is that it stems from them being rivals: one company makes a character, the other company makes a character to appeal to that character's audience, and so on back and forth.

I'm glad you brought up the needless abundance of multiversal+ matches we've had lately. Verses conversations at that level I find are so draining, just eventually boils down to whoever's understanding of higher existence is subjectively better than the other. If we need to accept DCvM matchups as easy money for DB, then I would prefer realistic levels of strength, characters from specific timelines rather than composites, and overshadowed characters in general.

I want to believe while Marvel vs DC fights are okay to happen its the fact it doesn't make way for new or other franchises getting into the show and lack of interest to those fights can make the people and/or fans feel uninterested.

Another aspect worth mentioning with Marvel and DC's power creep is that it really does get hard to find matchups outside of the other comic series that's actually fair. The phrase you often see is people not wanting characters they like against Marvel or DC because they don't want them to get "Fed" to them. It's rarely got that much active discussion, if the characters can be argued to hit that spicy cosmic infinity.

7:51 Personally, it’s not even the length. It’s the fact that a new writer can come in and do whatever they want with the character’s story, and mess up the character. You’ll have one story where Batman tells Wonder Woman that the reason he takes the Robins in is so they don’t end up like him, and in another you’ll have Batman getting into fights with Alfred because he thinks of them as child soldiers.

My main problem with Marvel vs DC, especially in Season 10 is just the frequency of it. I have no issue with Marvel or DC, I like both and some of my favorite characters are from these two franchises. I also am interested in MM vs SS, I like both characters, I am interested in seeing what they could do. The issue is that this is the 3rd Marvel vs DC fight in such a short time, added to the fact that this season has also had 3 returners and it just feels like there isn't a lot of new we may get from this season. A bunch of Marvel and DC and a bunch of returners. Now the episodes aren't bad because of this, but part of my enjoyment of Death Battle is learning something new about a new franchise or something I didn't know about a franchise I do know. For Cole vs Alex as an example, I have played the INfamous games, so I am interested in seeing just how powerful Cole is and how he stacks up against his video game rival. But with Marvel and DC its typically the same things, they either get scaled to the city bomb Batman survived or they can just fold multiverses on a whim. I just want more variety is all. Marvel vs DC by itself is fine, just wish there was a little less frequency of it is all. And the main thing is I more have an issue with Marvel VS Dc, not Marvel or DC being in DB specifically. Like, I'd be happy to see Spider-Man vs The Crawler or Reed Richards vs Rick Sanchez because its not that I hate Marvel and/or DC in matchups, I just like Marvel and DC fighting other people besides each other. Its cool to see how a comic character can stack up to an anime character, a cartoon character or a video game character. Basically, see how two characters from different mediums fair against one another basically. With Marvel vs DC, its just comic character vs comic character which is not as interesting. Another aspect I like about DB is the crossover aspect, seeing two characters who would normally never meet, interact and fight and banter and have their abilities, skills, weapons and personalities bounce off each other. With Marvel and DC though...we've seen that crossover too many times to count..hell, they are technically canon with each other in some ways as I think Marvel and DC exist in each other's multiverse so it doesn't feel as special as a crossover. Superman vs Goku sounds more interesting to me than Superman vs Thor because Superman and Thor have already met and very likely could meet again in the future while its unlikely Superman will ever officially meet Goku. I'd just like to see a bit more interesting crossover, not Marvel and DC who have crossed over so much that in one comic, the rulers of their universes are LITERALLY brothers. Finally, the last thing with Marvel vs DC, though this can apply to Marvel and DC in general is that they almost always use the comic versions. Now, I like the comics and a part of me is sad that the comic side doesn't seem as loved as the movies or cartoons. That being said, I like seeing different versions of a character used as they typically will have a different story, personality, dynamic and power scaling than their comic counter part. I have seen a matchup for MCU Iron Man vs Homelander and MCU Iron Man is going to be a LOT different than Comic Iron Man. For me personally, I'd also love to see MCU Captain America vs Soldier Boy, where again, it'd be a different dynamic than Comic Cap vs Batman. Like, Japanese Spider-Man vs Adam West Batman is one of my most wanted even though its Marvel vs DC and Spider-Man vs Batman because its different takes on the characters, they will have a different dynamic than their comic counter parts. Like, for all the Batman fights we got, if it was lets say...Comic Batman first, then Adam West Batman, then Arkham Batman, then Brave and the Bold Batman, I wouldn't mind that too much because its different iterations. Its simply because all four Batman fights were comic Batman with a bit more new shit and feats. If the Marvel vs DC or Marvel/DC vs Something else fights used a different version than the comics, that wouldn't be nearly as bad because it'd be something different which offers a new dynamic and scaling but for the most part its just the comics. Its sad when so far the only alternate version for a Marvel or DC character we have gotten is SF Aquaman and that was for a fight specifically to shit on him... Long story short, if they'd space them out, pit them against each other less and use different variations of the characters, I'd be fine. I just don't want to see Comic Marvel vs Comic DC every other episode. I am exagerating with that, but as I said, MM vs SS is the 3rd Marvel vs DC within the 8 episodes we have gotten, that's only 5 non Marvel vs DC and if you include the inclusion of Marvel or DC in general then thus far Marvel and DC have taken up half the season. Just want some variety, that's it.

Cannot stress enough how much I appreciate these fire transitions. Zatanna being the stand in for Apoc's kaiju form cracked me up. And the string of Booster Gold into Lex into The Hammer and the fist bump clash were favs.

Honestly, I didn't even notice the sheer amount of dc vs. Marvel we've had, with 3 this season, including the upcoming matchup. I honestly don't mind it because those fights have some bangers and I've always been interested in match ups I've never thought of

Holy stromboli I got namedropped I generally agree with your perspective on this issue and its multitude of factors. Speaking for myself, I tend to be more okay with Marvel and DC street-tier characters getting on than herald or skyfather tiers, since it’s easier to grasp their feats and abilities in comparison to just another universe or omniverse buster. Much like Biff, I start to lose interest when the power levels get to such an incomprehensible degree, especially when the analyses laying out all those feats feature the same names we’ve heard countless times before (Thor, Thanos, Superman, etc). It’s very similar to how I feel about high tier Dragon Ball characters, like how you noted in the video. This was a very fun watch; good work!

I personally don't mind Marvel vs. DC matchups, with the only major issue being repeat characters. I don't know why Thor, Ironman, or some Batman/Spider-Man variant need like 15 episodes. I have very much enjoyed the one-off episodes like the tiny dudes, magical bitches, and apocalypse v Adam. And I'm excited for Martian v Surfer, a weird matchup that I like the more I learn of.

Imagine if they used other franchises as much as Marverl/DC. Could use most popular characters for any given series.

jesus the clips in the beginning are edited to lead into eachother perfectly, good job nem, that was cool with the little jump cuts.

I think the contributing problem is the imblance between Marvel losses to non DC and DC victories to non Marvel. Raiden, Android 18, The Shredder, Lucy, The Mask, Crona, Broly, Po, and Stitch have defeated Marvel characters while only Jinx and Spongebob have mangaed to defeat DC characters.

I don't mind the marvel vs dc stuff personally. Some of them are my favorite fights they've made. Though I can get why some are annoyed by the amount of them. I'm mostly a casual fan of marvel and dc, but I have favorites from different media that I like learning the true story of. I'm excited that my favorite character from the DCAU, Martian Man, is finally getting an episode. I'll never get into the mainline comics cause idk WHERE to even begin, but it's still fun to learn about characters or franchises idk much about.

I'm okay with these battle because I love Marvel and DC so much. I'm really looking forward to Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer. While the companies get talked about a lot in general, I haven't seen many people talking about these two specifically, especially Surfer

My only criticism with Marvel vs DC on DB is that they should space them out a little more, and maybe focus more on direct feats instead of herald scaling everything. Maybe that second isn’t possible, idk I’m not a big numbers guy. Also a good lesson is Just don’t be an asshole to people, online or not.

Nah, it’s no problem because we always wanted to see our favorite comic book characters beat each other up.

I got really excited when I saw Martian Manhunter for the next time on death battle because I know the most popular match up for him is Piccolo and I love seeing Dragon ball characters come onto death battle even if they get stomped by their opponent. Then all my joy left my body in an instant when I saw Silver surfer. I would love to see some more season 1 death battle reps come back as well. Doomguy, Spawn, Master chief, and Samus are some characters who just got left behind in season one. Doomguy has a lot more to work with because of the 2016 and Eternal games coming out that I just want to see him come back. Kratos as well has changed so much that seeing him come back would be great.

I understand the absolute exhaustion between Marvel vs. DC but before Anime was Mainstream me and my friends after school would always debate on who was the most powerful character and of course our options were Marvel or DC their were other characters that aren't associated with DC or Marvel I'm just happy these debates are being settled in Death Battle but unfortunately it's at the cost of other potential and new characters

13:56 "That's a Welsh Crab" Had me on the floor 😂

I have no issue with Marvel VS DC matchups, not to mention and like with most franchises, there are characters that people do want to see from both franchises. Plus, most of the episodes do end up being one of the bests like Batman VS Spider-Man for Season 1 and Deadpool VS Deathstroke and Iron Man VS Lex Luthor for Season 2.

The main reason some people would complain about Marvel VS DC is that the episodes aren't spread across well Season 10 is the biggest example since it's recent, there have been 4 Marvel characters, THREE of them are Marvel VS DC. There's also the MU's themselves. Antom wasn't actually that bad of an MU and was one I remember people hearing liking, another one being Mysterio VS Scarecrow (Also possible hot take; I wouldn't complain if Arkham Batman VS Insomniac Spiderman was a DB, that sounds fun) When an episode uses too much of a certain something the audience expects, it can get pretty stale pretty quick. I have a... 'friend' who thinks a similar thing, just it's for anime rather than Marvel DC because he's interested in comics. But there is a difference between Anime and Marvel DC; They're spread out a LOT more. If you exclude S7 but like, most of us do that. And the extremists who say "MARVEL VS DC SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!" are stupid, we don't talk about them.

Alot of the current backlash is probably related to the superhero fatigue alot of people with the current MCU. I do wish Death battle could diversify their episode picks a bit more but I imagine their channel would be hemoraging money if they were to focused on niche franchises

'People aren't interested in what they aren't interested in' is 100% a tautology, yet in the context of this discussion, it's definitely a necessary one. Since interest is a major part of the cause. Even as someone whose current favorite episodes (Goku Black vs Thawne and Trunks vs Silver) aren't from franchises I'm not overly invested in, I 100% admit that if DB did an actually-good FE episode or a well done Fate episode, it would almost certainly take the top spot. Hell, even if it was a CONCEPT I liked such as wind powers or shadow powers, that'd be enough. So yeah, interest is definitely a big factor. Meanwhile, I also agree with Nem's other points, especially the power creep one. Often times, these insane levels of power feel like they take away interest since it's rather repetitive at this point, and for the fights that overcome it, it often feels like it's because they have something else to offer like Zatanna and Scarlet Witch having all sorts of spells they could use. (Also, in the interest of fairness, I think part of the problem is the perpetual raising of stakes within comics as well. If the comics didn't make these characters universal, DB couldn't put them at that level)

Honestly the transition was amazing

I have kind of a mixed relationship with Marvel vs DC matchups. I'm not super deep into Comics but I do enjoy some of them, admittedly to very surface level degrees. And I do enjoy learning more about certain characters I understand why Death Battle does these matchups and especially in the amounts that they have, there's a lot of matches to get through for them and they (to my knowledge) do very well for the numbers because of how mainstream Comics have become thanks to the movies and shows. That said I've definitely been fatigued with them for the most part. That said I think that lately starting even back in Season 8 they've been finally picking more interesting matchups from the lineup, at least they're more interesting to me. Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch was on the list of Comic Matches that'd actually get me really excited for the longest time, and in this Season alone we've yet to have a Comic matchup that I disliked the concept of. Ant-Man vs Atom was also on that list as well, and Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer is a matchup I genuinely never thought they'd do, I honestly never thought they'd do anything with either character. Admittedly Raven vs Phoenix took basically like, 80% of the 2 week wait time for me to have it grow on me. They've gone through a lot of the mainstream Marvel vs DC matchups by this point, and if they didn't use them against one another than those mainstream characters were used against a non-marvel/dc character so they're off the table for like, at least 2 or 3 years i think (if they even have another match they'd wanna do). So they have to grab the slightly weirder choices, like MM and Surfer. It's the lesser known characters I'm actually interested in seeing talked about, or at least, if not lesser known than ones that i haven't seen talked to death about. Kyle vs Simon is super popular but I genuinely can't think of an instance where I saw Kyle Rayner talked about outside of "Fridge" and that matchup. I have heard about Batman for basically my entire life and the only way I'll accept him on another Death Battle is if he fights Deadpool for the funny. There's still plenty of popular matches they can do for Marvel vs DC but they can't let them dry out too quickly, so they need to fill in with something more unique. Which makes me interested because even if I've heard plenty of Marvel and DC Stuff, I at least haven't gone the past several years hearing about THIS specific thing from the comics (i literally only know mm from the one christmas episode of justice league and 99% of my silver surfer memories are from super hero squad). So if they keep doing matches like this I'll be fine. I still wish they did less of them, but at least they're keeping it unique (for me at least) Personally I take more issue with DC and Marvel going against characters from non-comics, it's not like, a blight on Death Battle or VS as a whole, and there are plenty of really fun examples of it. But I feel like in lesser cases it can kinda just feel like feeding the non-comic character into a woodchipper, and I feel in most cases (even the ones that turn out well like Magneto vs Tetsuo) the non-comic character had better matchups. But that's probably just me being petty at this point lol. Also since you mentioned it I am definitely feeling the Dragon Ball Fatigue, but like, specifically because for like, I think all but 4 episodes right now they've only used Sayains, the characters are cool but there's not a lot of Variation between what they do ability wise. Cool forms (usually one unique form for each character), and a variety of lasers, at least Trunks got all the weird Xeno stuff and a sword though. I'd love to see Cell, Hit, Krillin, hell even a Buu Runback; I think at this point the only Sayain I'd be hype for is Kefla. Anyway really good video, it was a lot of interesting to think about. I'm at a point where i've just accepted that Marvel vs DC is gonna be here to stay, maybe they could lessen up but unless it's just abysmal idea i don't have the energy to complain really. and I know there are plenty of people who either feel the same way or are just genuinely excited, and good for them. Sorry for rambling and also sorry for my horrible grammar. Artist first, typist like 3rd or 4th lol Have a nice day and stay hydrated

I am that weird person who would be hyped if Death Battle did ONLY DC and Marvel matches. I'd prefer a mix of franchises, but it’s just my opinion.

I want to see Percy Jackson Vs Harry Potter but I can't because Death Battle is making another Batman battle!

Going offtrack, why did the transition of clips go hard in this vid???

You hit the nail on the head as for why I'm getting sick of Marvel and DC characters on DB. It feels like every marvel or DC character they bring on can destroy an infinite multiverse or move at infinite^2 speed. When the announced Martian man hunter vs silver surfer, my initial reaction was: Oh, great, more combatants that can destroy the infinite multiverse and move at 50000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times the speed of light

I mean, you can blame Death Battle. They use composite versions of comic characters (Superman, Spider-Man, Flash, Batman, etc.) and grab the most out-of-scale feats like lifting a book of infinite pages with some "help" from Shazam or pulling a.... I think it was a black hole.

Talking about the power creep point, which is something i do care about a lot, the last Marvel vs DC fight that was specifically to street tiers against each other was i think Red Hood vs Winter Soldier which was back in Season 7 LMAO.

The best Marvel VS DC match up would be Howard the Duck VS Detective Chimp because why the hell not.

My problem with those videos is that some of them insist on using the same characters. Like, DC and MARVEL have MANY characters to choose from; let's see some variety!

One of the best death battles is Dragonborn vs chosen undead. The scaling was cool, learning about the verses was also cool, I just think everything about it was great.

You just gave me a great idea for Death Battle Accelerator from index and villain from my hero movie 3 both of them have the exact same powers and reflecting anything that comes after

The transition from Hulk vs Doomsday to Thor Vs WW was so clean I had to rewind a bit

As a *rabid* dc fan, even i have the issue with this. If i don't care about the character involved, i dont watch. Sure, maybe if they're very obscure i can learn something new, but if, say, Constantine fights Mordu or whatever, i won't care. I know everything i care about with both characters and Constantine is boring to me. But when Ant Men and the Atom came up? Bloody hell i was there at release Its all just a matter of interest. That's it. So hard that people don't get it.

If True Darkseid Presence went into the Universe where the Infinity Gauntlet worked, Thanos would have won. They choose to make him a goofy.

Think of it this way, if you want to make a long running channel about Vs. battles, the best way to do that is to involve the 2 franchises with the most characters because they bring the most potential fights

7:04 ok but why did you in such a filthy good smooth transition into Fate vs Strange here

I feel like this issue rises up every couple seasons when the season at the time just has way way to many marvel and dc fights, this season has been over 50% marvel vs dc or having one character from either series. its not surprising people are tired of this

I personally don't mind Marvel vs DC, but I would love if they used lesser known characters. I especially love characters from series I don't know or cared about, like I hate MK but I adored the Johnny Cage vs Captain Falcon and Goro vs Machamp fights. Give me characters I could potentially learn about and become a fan of.

I hope they do power man vs black lightning vision vs red tornado task master vs deathstroke swampthing vs manthing detective chimp vs howard the duck amazo vs super adaptoid jessica cruz vs nova azreal vs moon knight anayalus vs larflees bigbsy wolf vs wolverine adam west batman vs Japanese spiderman hawkgirl vs angel human torch vs alan scott spot vs polka dot man and scarecrow vs mysterio in the next few seasons

the DC vs. Marvel is my main reason i watch Death Battle to be honest.

Whoa, Azrael vs Moon Knight is unironically an amazing match up. I'd love to see it.

(No distain to the matchups or the people who like them, being respectful here) My main issue with Marvel vs DC Episode especially in the last few seasons is that they just end up being uninteresting and forgettable to me, both for the fights the character coverage. On the opposite end the episodes from the last couple seasons where It's a Marvel or DC vs another series have been mostly good and it's not just because of the other series, it feels like the team gets to do more with those. (yeah and of course the overabundance can be annoying too)

I honestly agree with the 3 points of the video. Although amusingly I want to denote that I have a method to comfortably read about the characters to avoid the discomfort that you speak of in the second point. Basically I just speedread all the stories, even if I may not understand the context of the story with dialogue, I can understand what the character is going through with the drawings and visual language. I did that method with Ant-Man VS Atom and the truth made me become a fan of both characters (especially Atom). And I was able to understand all the jokes and winks they made in their analysis and I was able to better understand the fact that the intellectual side of Ray Palmer has been wasted in animation. It is not a method that I would recommend and I am sure that it will not work for most of people. But it worked for me personally

Having two studios that constantly explain their power systems, scales, and feats is easy to research

Too many Marvel and DC is the main reason why I'm done with Death battle for a while. I love Marvel and DC I really do, but they just keep overdoing so many Marvel and DC fights including returning characters. It doesn't give other matchups or other series a chance. My most wanted matchup is Tails vs Coco Bandicoot, I want Luigi vs Pacman, and I want Type Moon and Madoka Magica on the show. But with the amount of Marvel and DC we have recently and more in the future, it just takes so much of a drag for getting other series and matchups that a lot of us want. The only Marvel vs DC matchup I want is Scarecrow vs Mysterio, other than that I just want to hold off from Death battle for a while. Bill vs Discord is something I'm quite looking forward to tho.

18:15 Ngl, even though the Nerevarine (at least based on feats in Morrowind) should scale below The Last Dragonborn, I would still love to see them in Death Battle, though I have no idea who the Demi-Fiend is. I think Nerevarine vs Link could be interesting considering they're both heroes destined to re-incarnate again and again, with Link destined to slay Ganon again and again, whereas the Nerevarine is re-incarnated again and again until they defeat Dagoth Ur and The Tribunal. Yes, Nerevarine likely claps, but a high-balled composite Link would at the very least make this an interesting battle.

I heard some people want death battle to skip 2024 and focused on 2025 for a comeback

I think it's also just matchup fatigue. I'm already sick of Bleach vs Naruto (two of my alltime favourites) and we only have two of those. Dc/Marvel vs Dragonball is something I'm also just sick of. It's annoying at have cool matchups like Po vs Ironfist or Wally vs Sonic get looked over for two similar characters from marvel and dc. I'll always remember when Doom when was announced to return and there were so many cool ideas for him and then the next time showed Lex and the community just deflated.

I don't mind when it's a legacy matchup that's been requested for a long time, like Thanos vs Darksied, Fate vs Strange, or Ant Man vs Atom because even though I'm not too big into the overall series I know that it's been requested for a long time, but when they do ones that I'm sure no one asked for like Batman vs Black Panther thats when I get annoyed. I'm still going to watch and I like to look at the battles based on the animation and analysis objectively rather than my personal likes of the series, but it does get tiring seeing the same two franchises over and over. That said I really just wish it wasn't as frequent. We get at least one per season and that won't be stoping until the series ends. If we get multiple I just wish that they were spread out, while I don't mind Silver Surfer vs Manhunter we just had Raven vs Phoenix just before Guts vs Dimitri. The last reason is I like having new series represented or series that don't get represented a lot or a one off series to get a chance to shine.

For me its Marvel vs DC heralds. One of my most wanted Match Ups is Scarecrow vs Mysterio, and I think the lower ends of the battles actually have a lot of interesting things. Big issue is Heralds are overplayed.

I originally lost interest in the show because of how many times it's happened so many times. Half of season 7 was a Marvel and or DC battle and it got stale with one time there being **3** of those episodes in a row. I am fine with there being a lot of these episodes but I'd greatly prefer it if they just spaced it out more. Like no more than 7 episodes a season imo and I'm fine with it. We have gotten a lot of them a lot still and I do still watch them and I like them. But it still has been getting better slowly

I say that sadly DB will focus more on a far more noticeable brand (and I know others are iconic but Marvel and DC are still iconic as well) than something less known but still unique and interesting like the combatants the guys chosen. So unless if DB is just gonna say “screw it. Every Marvel and DC matchup till we can’t think up of a new one and start doing more original and unique battles that are not the two” or have a vote and strike on no more M VS DC,… yah

We see a ton of Marvel vs DC death battles because they have way more interesting and unique characters than any other franchise.

I want Red Skull vs Cobra Commander

I wack this for that one dami fiend sean

Personally, I just can't relate because even if it's a franchise that you're not interested in, at least marvel and dc characters are genuinely really fun character designs and the rivalry does spark some interest, so I personally can't see it as bland. But I get it, you're not interested in what you're not interested in. Just like how many people do not care about impartially awesome episodes like Martian Manhunter vs Silver Surfer or Thanos vs Darkseid because you don't like Marvel or DC, I personally don't care about anime at all and get really disinterested when one's announced, and as such for objectively cool episodes like dio vs alucard or all might vs might guy, I simply just don't care and go ".... yeah it's fine", and that's alright.

I'm trying to think of 3rd place in total amount of episodes and i think Mortal Kombat has the 3rd most characters in it. Mortal Kombat usually fits deathbattle since its such a bloody series and I think it's not complained about a lot since most mortal kombat characters are barely above street level or don't really approach anything crazy like Scorpion is technically infinitely powerful in the netherealm for a while and Shao Khan is near the top of the verse's combatants but they never touch that cosmic tier that people seem to be dulled out to. Granted its usually easier to understand a mortal kombat character since odds are they're a ninja/martial artist that has a quirkly little power set

I kinda hope when they have Cthulhu on, they put him at above Marvel or DC in everything

I think they need to limit themselves to a fixed amount of Marvel vs DC episodes with a fixed placement in the season to make things feel less oversaturated

Y’know what might a good marvel vs dc match up for once Mandy Koriand’r(I am not starfire) Vs Ben Parker(spider-man:bloodlines)😂

I'm personally really tired of the omega universal reality breaking characters. I want to see more down to earth fights that rely on the character skills and intelligence. A death battle I really want to see is Hank [Madness Comabt] vs Hunk [Resident Evil]. This will be a fight of weapon skills, movement, combat skills, and out smarting their opponent. It'll be hand to hand, gun blazing, grenade exploding madness, and the animators will have to avoid using glowly balls and massive beams. And just imagine how much Boomstick will be geeking about the guns used.

The problem I have is just.... Marvel and DC have no consistency. There are too many comics and no continuity. DC is a prime example of this with so many new and failed 'specials', although same problem is with marvel. They just cherry pick stuff even if none of that is in the same continuity, yet for characters like Sonic they make a clear distinction between Sonic and Comic sonic. The issue gets really bad when you take these DC/Marvel characters and have them fight a manga/anime or game character. The DC/Marvel character will have this 'universe busting feat' from 'obscure comic x4d8" that no one would even consider a canon thing that character did since its not part of the main comic canon to show why that character would win. Its almost like Marvel/DC get favortism with all their media while say, a manga/anime character doesn't get any of their external spinoff stuff or anything. And lets not forget, if a Marvel/DC character says they can do something, but don't show it, DB takes it as a fact that they can do it, while they don't do this for ANYONE else who makes similar claims. Now DC/Marvel can be used properly, as a measuring stick. Or rather, just have them always lose even with their BS pulls. (Or just don't include the outlier feats from obscure spinoffs. Heck, they aren't even consistent on that since they don't do this for Deadpool or Batman, but they'll gladly do it for Raven or Green Lantern or Superman.)

15:02 Wait, how did it happen?? (I'm talking about the text.) 21:56 Also mood. (Still talking about the text.)

15:44 where’s my boy popeye in season 8.

1. Rogue VS Wonder Woman 2. Batman VS Spider-Man 3. Batman VS Captain America 4. Deadpool VS Deathstroke 5. Iron Man VS Lex Luthor 6. Green Arrow VS Hawkeye 7. Flash VS Quicksilver 8. Hulk VS Doomsday 9. Venom VS Bane 10. Thor VS Wonder Woman 11. Batman Beyond VS Spider-Man 2099 12. Black Panther VS Batman 13. Doctor Strange VS Doctor Fate 14. Nightwing VS Daredevil 15. Thanos VS Darkseid 16. Aquaman VS Namor 17. Captain Marvel VS Shazam 18. Ghost Rider VS Lobo 19. Miles Morales VS Static 20. Cable VS Booster Gold 21. Winter Soldier VS Red Hood 22. Batgirl VS Spider-Gwen 23. Lex Luthor VS Doctor Doom 24. Batman VS Iron Man 25. Scarlet Witch VS Zatanna 26. Black Adam VS Apocalypse 27. Ant-Man VS The Atom 28. Phoenix VS Raven 29. Martian Manhunter VS Silver Surfer

I get it Nemesis I get it

Nem, Nem ... breathe.... You make great points but you are just getting waaaay too overly passionate about this. I'm at about the thirteen minute mark and you sound like you are about to break down and punch something. I don't think you're too negative, I think you are far too invested in this show to the point it is draining you emotionally. You're a very bright guy and I love your insights and you make very balanced and compelling arguments but listening to you get this intense about a show that is just supposed to be fun kind of worries me. You are proclaiming these statements like you are trying to get life saving legislation passed in congress and thousands of people are counting on you. It's not a religion. It shouldn't emotionally demand this much from you. I feel that's why the trolls target you so much, because you expose a vulnerability. To me, Death Battle is like an episode of Jeopardy in the sense that a wide variety of subjects are researched and thrown up on the screen with bright colors and theme music in an entertaining fashion. The difference is, Jeopardy researches facts, DB researches fiction and applies it to real world science, which is forever going to be controversial and flawed no matter how much polish they apply. And both shows inevitably have people screaming at the TV screen. It's not something that should be weighing you down and causing you stress and depression. Again, you make valid arguments, but this whole video could have been two minutes long. Marvel and DC have vast wells of content to draw from and they get fucking clicks. That's it in a nutshell. After ten seasons it's getting kind of repetitive and predictable, but fuck the haters. You don't have to make it your crusade to defend Death Battle and try to debunk every troll's argument. It's admirable, but not the worthiest hill to be emotionally pummeled to death on. I want you to keep making content, but not at the expense of your well being or sanity. (Pats you on the back) Just have fun man. Just have fun.

I don't speak for the community this is just my own experience though one point could be made is inconsistencies in the case of marvel vs dc it's all made with the comics never the different versions of the said character like the animated shows/movie versions (i.e spiderman, batman,wonder woman, thor ironman etc.) Never giving them their own episodes. While one could argue that it has the same issues with the comics having so many different iterations, I'd counter that it's makes it have more varied instead of just relying on the comics. Minor point but this just my nitpick (I think in this context) I wasn't intrested with Wally vs Archie Sonic since in my head it's just a more poweful barry flash I was able to get past since I wasn't too familiar with the Archie comics but still enjoy the Sonic and one could argue with Sonic it's a lot more digestable compared to the Marvel and DC comics.

People are the ones that Vote for it

I feel like Ben should be here as well 16:32

For the reason why the marvel and DC death battles are not as exciting as other ones is that fact that (suprise he did not mention this) is that over 60% of the death battle are won by dc characters and sure most make sense but most of the time it makes it too ovious who will be the winner Also I like batman but he has been use too much, also also captain america should have won you can't change my mind on that

Agree personally i not interested in Martian man hunter vs silver sufer I really wish we got more of more less know characters

In my eyes, a Vs. episode is a Vs. episode. As long as it's good I'm fine. If it's not, then I'm not interested.

my disinterest in Marvel vs DC death battles is similar to the problem I have being invested in anything that tests the characters from eithers power...too many cooks for too many decades, good writing, sloppy writing, good and bad editorial decisions, reboots, retcons, all mashed into one and never particularly clear what counts...for all its flaws at least the manga/anime characters that show up have some internal consistency through their relatively small creative teams

My issue isn't how many there are, it's that they need to be spaced out. Darkseid vs Thanos was immediately followed by Aquaman vs Namor. Phoenix vs Raven had one episode between it and Surfer vs Manhunter. Terry vs Miguel had one episode between it and Batman vs Black Panther. Thor vs Wonder Woman had one episode between it and Terry vs Miguel. The amount isn't my issue, it's that there are plenty of times where they aren't allowed to breathe before they go back to that well. The first two Marvel vs DC matchups had 20 episodes between them.

The transitions between the Marvel vs DC fights at the start was SO smooth. Major props on that. And in my opinion, Marvel vs DC is not a problem to me so much. But I don’t blame people for being tired of it or not interested.

I think that the problem with season 10 so far with marvel and dc, is spacing. It’s more than likely we’ll get a marvel vs dc in the second half, making 4 Marvel vs DC episodes, 3 of which are in the first half. What would be better would to have a Marvel vs DC in each quarter. This would allow a possible maximum 6 episodes between 2 Marvel vs DC, but a more plausible 2 or 3 between each.

My issue with all the DC vs Marvel matchups is that they can push out other characters and verses getting a chance to shine. Plus, there's the fact that it's very easy to overlook things when looking at their feats. For comic characters there are usually decades worth of feats and abilities to look over, further complicated by the fact there are numerous retcons, contradictory continuities, glossed over events, one-off powers, asspulls, or just super obscure stuff. All that gives so much to look over and if you miss something or have regard something a certain way, it completely changes the outcome of the fight. Also, I've still never gotten to see Superman vs Thor, even after all these years. It's not about who wins for me (though I've who I'd bank on), I'd just want to see it.

This mostly applies to Marvel vs DC herald fights. The street levelers fights are actually kind of interesting (well as long as their not Batman vs Spider-Man and even still) especially since they have quantifiable stats. Like I know some people rag on calcs but I kind of like them because they put extra emphasis on a character's feats or scaling rather than saying "Oh he can destroy a universe or fought a guy who could destroy a universe). Besides, I don't think we got a MvDC street leveler fight with modern research, calcs and all. Yeah there was Bucky vs Jason in Season 7 but the research for that one is kind of ass. I remember being shook back in Beerus vs Galaxia where they used the destruction of the universe as a unit of meassurement. Now whenever they bring up universal or higher feats, I'm like "eh...".

Death Battle needs to do more military battles. I still enjoy the Dr. Eggman Vs. Dr. Wily video because of all the moving variables. Something like the Galactic Empire Vs. The UNSC would be epic.

Holy shit the sequence at the beginning seamlessly transitioning through each matchup in order of their release was clean as fuck. Huge props for that edit

To be honest, the reason im not a fan of Marvel vs DC MUs anymore is because they take the spotlight and space away from more interesting MUs. Usually, Marvel vs DC MU characters have the same, or similar powers, and the only thing different is design or backstory.....or both As an example, Reimu vs Sailor Mars. Both have flashy, unique attacks that can counter each other in some way, and they still have enough connections to make it work. I guess the point im making is Marvel vs DC is just samey as hell, and also takes spotlight from more interesting MUs

before watching the video, I don't mind how often these two franchises show up, I mind how almost all of their episodes boil down to raw numbers in lieu of any interesting debate. this isn't a problem exclusive to Marvel or DC, but it seems to happen a lot more for those matchups. some of my favorite episodes of the show are episodes that are at least presented as being close stat wise. a good example of that is Trunks vs Silver where they focus mainly on the unique abilities Silver has that would help him win, and not the theoretical infinite stat gap between the two. but most Marvel or DC episodes come down to "this guy who can shoot lasers has a laser 18,346.9 times betterer than this guy who can shoot lasers and is 230,682,000 times faster so he can just overpower them" edit: good video. covered alot of points I didn't consider. and I think the point about both sides should not be dicks to eachother is important. very easy to get that tunnel vision of "how dare this person have a different opinion from me"

I love that your so open to talking about death battle after the video talking about how you take so much punishment for it. We all support you!

As someone who used to groan at Marvel vs DC stuff I slowly grew to just shrug it off and let it happen nowadays without complaint. To me in the last few years DB themselves has tried to hold back on the use of both comic series to a degree in the place of newer or less discussed on the show franchises. Heck Season 10 has 5 new franchises in the first half of its season. Thats crazy for modern db and I couldn't be happier. (6 if you count stitch as not just a Disney character) To me Marvel vs DC or the framchises as a whole has its place in death battle and I'm willing to just don't mind it as long as it doesn't try to highly over shadow the chanced of new ones or old ones having a second or 3rd chance to shine for 2 weeks

Honestly I feel like the sheer abundance of episodes featuring a Marvel character and/or a DC character feel like the show has been influenced by the resurgence super hero media had in the late 2000s and early 2010s. It is natural for them to capitalize on trends even if it’s often a marketing tactic (ex Black Panther vs Batman to promote the Black Panther movie, Captain Marvel vs Shazam in the year both got movies), but the pacing in which it’s been distributed holds back the creativity a lot, not helped by them using Deadpool as a recurring character for jokes a lot even if he’s not one of the combatants:

Marvel vs DC is THE vs matchup. From the beginning of saying "who would win?" They've been constantly talked about. It kinda hard to separate the 2 from the vs community as a whole.

Let me say I don’t think that it’s as bad as some people say but I will admit that we should lay it off tbh

Even if you like Marvel vs DC I can’t imagine you’d want to always have cosmic battles. Some variety would probably be welcome to everyone honestly.

Personally I think the main problem with marvel vs dc is the pacing looking back at seasons 4-7 a comic book character was in a episode the most with little to no breaks in between it only got around to change in season 8-10 where yes we do get marvel and dc in those seasons but we only had two episodes where they fought each other the other episodes involving them had them fighting other series like dragon ball, avatar, Akira, league of legends and kung fu panda which I think works a lot better than just a comic book character in almost every episode with occasional breaks

I don't really think this is a big problem Marvel Vs DC is a big part of vs battles of Course there's going to be Ton of them

I wouldn't mind the abundance of Comics match ups if there were more street-tier fights.

I like to think of Marvel and DC's representation in Death Battle similarly to Fire Emblem's representation in Smash. There's a surprising number of them in there, and people have VERY vocal opinions on what they think about it/what they think others think about it

Just wanna say; your transitions from battle to battle in the opening are so damn good.

I think you shouldn't care what a death battle is, if you don't care about a matchup, just don't hate on the people who are exited, just sit back and enjoy the fight, if I were to pick marvel Vs DC, deadshot Vs target could be a cool sniper fight I'd argue we have never really got, joker Vs green goblin could be a fun show of insane characters duking it out, plastic man Vs Mr fantastic have really unique power sets, and war machine Vs cyborg could use a near infinite ammount of fight potential