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@@spotlessmind9263No, the position of the index finger is incorrect. Try to point up your hands next to your face with the hand palms facing forward and see where the index fingers are. Usually, they should ALWAYS be near your face. Therefore, it should look like this: ☝️🤓
That's what other people see but in between the 2 of them it's a constant battle to see who slips up heavily first and constantly trying to give each other a hard time
@@UnkownUnkown01 I wonder how it would look like if you watched it the first time with all internal monologues cut. Would you still get the tension given they always act so calm on the outside but you still see what both sides do
@@tomlxyzI’ve never seen Death Note before this clip. From this clip they sound like friends taking an IQ test. Only thing that makes me think there’s something going on is how curt the curled up guy talks. Makes it sound like he knows something the other doesn’t, but this could be chalked up to him being the straight man in the duo. I agree this does seem really calming, funny knowing how crazy the show is supposed to be
@@SporkEnthusiastthat is more or less a proper assessment of this situation while have it being accurate to its lore..Idr all of or even a lot of details of D note but I’d rewatch a monolouge’less version lol
@@jellymatsuryuka6853 yea I guess it's just the lack of animation making it suss. If he said "hmm" and shuffled the papers around and such it would be more convincing
@@BasicallynoOneAtAll L never actually figured out that light but had a strong doubt lmao...Even we heard it in his ep 9 monologue. The fact L cannot catch light shows more enough that light is good
Its interesting, the internal monologues sort of normalize Light to the viewer, and make the battle of wits feel much more even. When you remove the connection to Light and see him objectively like this though, it makes him seem far more suspicious and less proficient. L really was running circles around him.
Tbh like this the cat and mouse game becomes even clearer. L was running circles around him but Light still said stuff like at the end of the clip abt making Kira say something only he could know, cuz he knows L can’t know about the death note
Inner monologues arguably made it even worse. Light is so confident and knows what to say. Then L just beats him at it like a child. In this scene L was the one who had Light in his grasp. If he was willing to risk, he could capture him and Misa right now. He didn't know who is the second Kira, but a wild guess would prove correct when the killings would stop and never continue. L could even guess that Light keeps the note in a special place which would destroy it if you don't know how to operate the lock. And find a way to retrieve it carefully. Then everything would be over.
@@azearaazymoto461 tbh wild guessing is kind of how L rolls. The killings happen on weekdays = Kira must be a student. Kira changed his schedule = Kira must be connected to the police somehow. And voila we've narrowed it to like 50 people. And those early assumptions are literally never revisited. Meanwhile during scenes like this that make Light look guilty as hell L is like "hmm i guess this makes you like 2% more likely to be kira, anyway wanna join the investigation team?"
ikr its the way i wish people would behave themselves irl around me. like whats the rush. why cant people enjoy silence, and save all their rambling for text. in text it wont go nowhere. its eternalized. its noiseless. you can read or not read it at liesure. but speaking is noise it is a thought interrupter if you have too much outer dialogue, you have little internal dialogue. vice versa. But having internal dialogue means you can think, and would be better at planning, and these 2 guys are smart n trying to play mental chess so in this situation they have to play smart, and speak this way because they have to. But honestly its a polite way to converse in general. People should be allowed time to meditate so that they can keep the unutterable unuttered, unexplainable unexplained, save you the bullshit and only vocalize the key point without an "uh" or stutter. Some people repeat themselves and say the same thing in 3 different ways over the course of a minute because they are using outer dialogue to simulate the main point in the same way inner dialogue could've simulated it. If they are outer only, it seems they are making noise because they legitimately are addicted to hearing their own voice. They end up in a loop where they are stuck on a thought because it keeps being externally casted instead of being left in the mental oven to develop and finish cooking, but they don't want the thought to cook because it means they no longer have whitenoise in their surrounding air. Its amazing to me how I can spend six hours with someone in person and they will speak a gillion words a minute, and by the end of the night , I realized there is not a damn thing that person said of substance. in contrast someone can only speak a phrase to me at a certain point in time. When it becomes relevant again, I remember it up to 20 years later like they had just got done saying it. It takes more time to speak and listen to others speak than it does to type and read. Little known fact. So why spend hours talking about nothing? When you could type SOMETHING? Making sounds with your mouth just for the sake of it isn't human communication. It is reasons like this I hate hanging out with a large crowd of friends. All of us could be intelligent in our own ways and interesting well spoken people. Put each other in a group and all we can seem to talk about is the same inane drivel we could've talked about with any other crowd and the entire night is just pointless jibber jabber smalltalk and "iknoooowwwriiiiiiite?!?!" And giggling at things that weren't funny because the Big Bang Theory Laugh Track has wormed it's way into unconscious behavioral patterns deep within our NPC code; laughing at our own jokes to hint at others a sense of "that was a punchline btw"
@@fluffypinkpandas On one hand, I too wish people would shut up and let me think. On the other, damn bro you just typed a whole essay. Did the text version of what you hate.
@@littlemoth4956 "and save all their rambling for text. in text it wont go nowhere. its eternalized. its noiseless. you can read or not read it at liesure" i do still think that person is corny though
This scene is so smart is holds up completely even without the monologues. Obviously, it would be terrible writing to have your characters sitting there reading in silence, but it's 100% true to life. The only issue is Light's eyes not moving at all.
True, but when you think about the eyes it could just as well fit with the context of the scene; Light already knows what the notes say, and part of his loss to L's trick is that he responds as if he does
@@SAIMONch The animators could have at least made him blink or shuffle the 3 papers around while he was reading. Tiny bits of animation can add a lot and not make it look like a still painting.
@@SAIMONch Reading that I could just hear L's voice in my head, calmly observing, "Hmmm, I notice your eyes are not moving, as if you already know what the notes say..."
If you watch other anime, you’ll notice the same thing. Your eyes will be drawn to the character talking so you don’t notice how still the rest of the frame is.
The moment Light insists that his deduction was “perfect” with the three photos he was given further solidifies how much Light matches L’s profile of Kira; “childish and hates losing”, just like L himself. At this point, L was actually completely certain that Light was Kira, but objectively speaking, only had 7% of the evidence he needed to make that call.
Apparently, when he throws out numbers like “7%,” he’s actually hella convinced. So by this point, in his head, he’s most likely looking at Kira. He needs a good reason to let go, otherwise. But he’s stubborn (and smart enough to be correct early)
@@iheartblock3792 It is, but iirc, the mangaka's confirmed that L lies when he says that. He tells people what they want to believe, where 7% would probably put them on guard, but not have them believe that L's totally onto them.
@@joseantoniorodrigueslopes6979 He brings up the % multiple times in the story, saying it aloud. Both to Light and the investigation team, iirc. Either way, the mangaka himself confirmed these were lies: _Although L tells Light that he is among the least likely suspects with one of the lowest percentages of probability, in reality L is "pretty certain" that Light is Kira. As series writer Tsugumi Ohba said laughing, making light of L's tactics: "The truth is, he's a liar."_
Holy shit this helps a lot to understand the scene actually. L stressing over the fact that why didn't Light ask whether there is any more notes, but instead assuming there are ONLY three notes /is/ his trap, not the fact that he could arrange the message in a certain way. Never noticed it before, brilliant.
So he’s using psychology smart except even he knew no conclusive answer or proof even though suspicious they both won’t give info not available but he’s seeing how he interacts
It probably helped raise his suspicion levels, but they were already about as high as they could be without having concrete evidence. And Light's reasoning did in fact make sense. L is really just feeling Light out. There's no trap, that would imply that this interaction proves anything.
Why would _anybody_ assume there's more notes? The only reason you would assume there's more notes is if you would assume L was deliberately trying to pull a fast one on you. And why would an innocent person assume that?
as someone who hasn't watched the show, this is incredibly funny to me two guys look at each other, one reads some letters, and then goes "hey there's a secret message!" and other one goes "L bozo, there was an extra letter i didn't tell you about get owned"
I would really wonder how someone who's never seen the show would interpret everything that's going on, would it be even remotely possible to keep up another really interesting thing would be, if someone cut out everything that L wasn't there to witness, so we would basically get the show exclusively from L's perspective
@@Dharengo The implication is Light didn't make a mistake but instead *knew* there was no 4th note, because he is Kira and knew he only sent 3 notes. Someone who didn't *know* there was only 3 notes would assume there was a note that was missing because the message didn't make sense, but Light didn't assume that there was a note missing. That makes it seem like he knew there were only 3 notes (and is thus Kira).
This is why I'm surprised the live action Death Note didn't work. With the right cinematography they can make tense scenes like this work, even without the internal monologue.
There were some Japanese live action ones- including a movie that didn’t actually feature the Death Note??? I think it involved a flood somehow. L: Save The World or something like that
@@runeanonymous9760 I've actually watched some of the japanese live actions recently and they do exactly what I said in my comment. They reduce the amount of internal monologues but the cinematography is solid enough to make the scenes still feel tense. I didn't watch L Save the World. I was told it wasn't very good and honestly I really like the ending of the 2nd film, I don't want that ruined.
@@MADKapo It's ok, it doesn't mess with the ending of the second film. Spoiler warning for the second film.... In the film there is a gap of several days between the time Light dies and the time L is scheduled to die by the Death Note. L Saves the World shows what happens during those days, with L behaving exactly in character by calmly going back to work solving cases until his time runs out. The plot of the movie is the big case he's given during that time. I can understand why some people wouldn't like it as much as Death Note, because both L and Light are both more interesting when each is playing off the other. Judging it on it's own terms without comparing it to its predecessor, I'd say it's fine for what it is.
I’m surprised they opted to make it into a movie, if anything… and focusing so much on making it some stupid teen thing. Imagine this as a mature, live-action full show?
Kira sounds like a genius with the internal monologue but without it it sounds like he’s going “well I have a suspiciously detailed explanation of this evidence of who could Kira be”
Works for most anime. Most inner monologues in anime kinda treat their audience like children by giving throughout explanation. Without it there's more space for the audience to come up with theories and explanations
@@randomassjellyfishbut they need to get the point across to move the plot. If the entire show made the audience make their own theories, the show would fall.
I don't think the whole show would work without internal dialogue. Some of the resolutions Light and L come up with would make 99% of the audience be extremely confused, people would need to pause and figure it out.
Without the internal monologue, Light sounds like he's been caught -- it's almost like a Columbo scene, where the detective very clearly *knows* he's interacting with the killer.
@Wind Rose The "red hands" bit reads like a direct implication L *knows* Light's playing games. He told Light there were letters, not how many, and implied it wasn't a full list, but Light immediately assembled a message that assumed the opposite. Who else but Kira could build *exactly* the correct message on their first try from incomplete information?
@@robologo Columbo is a detective show structured around the audience knowing who the murderer is and the detective, a shabby, socially awkward man with a glass eye, figures out how they did the murder. Usually, he does this by revealing a small piece of evidence, like some gum, or a bit of dust, or a small piece of hair. In this case, L's small piece of evidence was Light's assumption there were only three notes -- unlike in Columbo, however, L recognizes his evidence might not stand up in court. He admits there must be *zero* doubt if he nails Kira or his target gets off the hook.
Is the Best fuck You stare, it makes Light look like a dumb teen, is interesting how not being able to listen how he explains his actions how Bad he actually is to hide his emotions
I like how without the intense inner psychopath dialogue they both look like genius but socially awkward college kids. Seriously, Light sounds and looks just like some harmless good kid talking over coffee. That is, until L calls him out on the fourth note thing and his eyes narrow and the scene feels a lot colder for a split second, then from L's perspective it becomes a lot more feasible that this is definitely the psycho murderer they're looking for. Like others have said, a remake from L's perspective would be a lot of fun to watch.
Honestly that part of the scene didn't give me psycho vibes at all lol. It's just like he's going "Is this guy fucking serious??? OOoohhHhh AcTuAlLy ThErE aRe 4 LeTtErS~ Give me all 4 letters from the start then asshole!" in his head. But he's too polite/repressed to actually say it so he just let's L "win" this one. (Like I know he's actually Kira and was doing an evil monologue, but just from this? Nah he just seems sick of this weirdo playing mindgames.)
I mean even if I am not Kira and suddenly someone asks me about something like this, gives a pretty good answer hoping to impress them with my negligible deductive skills, then they just said "there's actually a 4th letter", I'll definitely be dissatisfied myself lmao.
@@sixjhontongalamar979 It mostly doesn't work the same in english, they needed to use a different sentence example. With the Japanese, it should have been reasonable to look at the numbers on the back, say that then the sentence doesn't make sense and therefore there might be another card that makes it make sense
@@decus478 but it makes sense after rearranging the letters no? If it works within the given clues, would everyone really assume that there's a fourth clue? As I've said, negligible deductive skills. Don't push my brain too hard xD
@@Dharengo Copying a comment from a different thread. ======================================================= @Haestqilak 2 weeks ago I understand Japanese. I will try to explain a bit of how it works grammatically speaking. In 01:51 we have: える知っているか (L, did you know?) りんごしか食べない (Only eat apples) 死神は (Shinigami + topic marker) 手が赤い (Hands are red) Like in English, we had a complete sentence before: "L, did you know? Shinigami only eat apples." They translated it to "love apples", which is wrong, but the meaning kinda still fits. The sentence is indeed complete in the order "える知っているか。死神はりんごしか食べない。" In both English and Japanese the meaning is fine. However, when L shows the 手が赤い (Hands are red), the meaning works way better in Japanese than English: "える知っているか。りんごしか食べない死神は手が赤い。" "L, did you know? Shinigamis that only eat apples have red hands." In Japanese grammar, what comes before connects and works almost as an adjective to what comes after. So "りんごしか食べない" (only eat apples) becomes an adjective connected to 死神 (shinigami). We have something like "shinigamis that only eat apples". In English, however, we wouldn't come up with the relative pronoun "that" with what L solely presented to us. In Japanese this is not necessary. To sum up, it is easier to connect and complete the sentence in Japanese with what L showed us, but not in English. ====================================================== Someone with deductive reasoning on Light's level would have noticed that there's poor grammar. At the very least, Light should have asked "Why is the grammar off here?" but instead CONFIDENTLY asserted there were only three and took the poor grammar wholesale with it. He didn't have to assume information was being withheld. He could have in good faith simply asked if there was a note they missed.
@@denofpigs2575 But wait, if you put the notes in the proper order (the order in which Kira puts them) there is no grammatical error, is there? Otherwise, Kira would be very bad at grammar.
The silence and eye narrowing when Light realizes L caught him in a mistake somehow works even better without the monologue. Even without words, you can tell exactly what he's thinking.
Light: It's a good thing I can think 4 times faster than the average adult, this gives me plenty of time to properly analyze the situation without raising suspicion. L: I've never been forced to make direct eye contact with someone this long. Please Kira, end my suffering.
“I would try to get him to say something in public only Kira would know” Wow, Light! All that brainpower and you can’t even see that is exactly what was done in this scene!
@@cunningsmile4166 honestly yeah he couldve totally recovered if he just played it off as a "man now i feel dumb i shouldve asked if there were anymore notes" or something like that
@@BitrateBillyYeah, honestly it does say a lot about Light how he would much rather incriminate himself than swallow his pride for a moment. Which to be fair, is perfectly expected of a guy who thinks he's a God
This makes me realize that hearing Kira's inner monoluges was a way of inducing the audience with his delusions, making it seem like he could swine his way out, when in fact, they were never believable. This is like us seeing L's point of view. :>
@@Runeite51 well he didn't prove it.. so was that really "his genius"? L immediately knew it was light, but was unable to prove it, whereas near was able to trap him but might not have been able to deduce that light was the one without L's work
@@kiiturii Near? STFU. Don't act like that season of the show is real. The show ended after L lost. L for losing. Get that trash tier writing out a hear.
@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 unable to tell the difference between "here" and "hear", and "of" and "a" while criticizing the writing of a masterpiece tier show
@@Chiara-ep5er he responded with full confidence to the correct thing that Kira did, and his off guard reaction was consistent with being exposed and indignant that L "ruined Kira's masterpiece".
@@Chiara-ep5er I believe the fourth letter was fake, and Kira did not consider it because he didn't write it. L produces it to show, how can you be so sure there are only 3 letters? Because he have only written 3 at that moment.
@@TheFernandinho I'd like to think it's up to God, _whomst_ gave his only begotten son so you could live without sin. Shout out to Jesus Christ everybody! 👏🏾 👏🏾
This edit is so fascinating. Light's instability is obvious to anyone who can hear him but he plays it perfectly straight in his interactions with others....or so we're conditioned to think. He really does look hella guilty in this light (Pun unintended).
He really looked like a criminal but not in an obvious way. It's in the subtle way his face changes responding to situations. His almost annoyed or dismissive staring even when from Ls perspective he's done nothing to annoy him.
@@OnePieceSS23 But that's mostly because they need to show him with some reaction, after all it's a show and they need dramatic scenes. If Light existed IRL and were as smart and cunning as he's supposed to be in the anime/manga, he probably wouldn't react at all, but that would be boring for an anime, as the point of these scenes is precisely to show the internal monologue and what's going on in the characters' heads. The creators show that through expressions and reactions and they are supposed to be exaggerated.
A simple explanation that doesn’t make it more complicated than it is: Essentially… Only three notes were left by Kira, and only Kira himself, the police, and L know that, no-one else should know for-certain how many notes Kira left. So, anyone else would see the three-notes and realize that, when placed in numerical-order, the message is incomplete, so they’d probably ask if there was a fourth-note. However, since Light IS Kira, he knows there are only three-notes and that they aren’t intended to be read in numerical-order. So instead of asking if there are more-notes he says, “The numerical-order doesn’t make sense, Kira must’ve made a mistake and you have to read them out of order to get the message.” (Solving the message of the three-notes, while using reasoning to not seem suspicious). However, L pulls out a fourth-note. This is actually a fake-note, but if Light were innocent he wouldn’t know that. The fourth-note, when placed in numerical-order with the others, finishes the message. L then goes, “If you weren’t Kira, you would’ve asked if there was a fourth-note to finish the sentence. However, you seemed certain that there were only three-notes, and that the sentence HAD to make sense using only those three-notes. Only Kira, the police, and I know there are only three-notes, so you must be Kira.”
This is what people who think that this test is dumb is missing. L tells Light that these notes were written by criminals under the control of Kira which could imply that these are the only notes they got SO FAR. Meaning, they could potentially get more. Honestly, the smart move for Light would be to ask what the numbers mean or where they are from since L did say they were photographed. It's pretty important since it could indicate the order Kira wanted the notes to be read in or what the police thinks the correct order should be. This could also provide a better reason/excuse as to why Light disregarded the numerical order version.
@@natperXD The main point is that Light fucked up. He slipped because it's REALLY hard to think not using all knowledge at your disposal. To make matters worse, Light is really childish and likes to win, so when L blatantly "cheats" on his face, he gets mad and defensive.
I disagree. When I get something from a colleague or whomever, I try to make sense of what's in front of me. Considering a possible missing message doesn't always cross my mind. So, to me, the fact that Light doesn't consider more messages is proof of nothing.
@@moneymo6417 yes, but Light from the outside does not even consider the possibility and he is not a just normal person like us who just do a puzzle or something like that, I think a skill detective will at least think about that possibility, and L say that he made this test with other detectives so probably has a even more perspectives
The crazy thing is after you’ve seen the show you can still understand their thought process through stuff like the music queues or slight changes in the animation
The most suspicious thing is the fact he doesn't express surprise or revulsion at what he's looking at or ask L any questions about them. The way he says they're "interesting" makes him seem way too familiar with them, the fact he "deduced" the exact scenario Kira faced L with almost instantly is just a huge nail in Lights coffin.
I don't think so. To me, this was a test within a test. On the surface, L is testing Light's deductive reasoning. After all, being interested in becoming a detective as a gifted, brilliant highschool student makes his interest and lack of revulsion seem fine. The real test though, to L, is figuring out if Light's personality and ego match that of what he's deduced Kira's to be. That's why he tells Light that he got the question wrong. If Light is Kira, or if he really is just a gifted student, he figures out the puzzle correctly. Fine. But if he reacts defensively (my deduction was perfect), especially under the immense pressure of "revealing something only Kira could know," his personality and ego match that of Kira's. Light isn't dumb, he sees this coming and concedes the test appropriately. But his first instinct, the one L is looking for, is to get defensive. He can't hang Light with this. As he points out later in the same conversation, Light's odds of being Kira to L only go up a couple of points here. But if you're L, faced with a killing power unlike anything seen in human history that allows for total anonymity*, this is a MAJOR win in his book.
@@LonnyH Also Light is normally smart enough to at least ask about whether a missing piece could exist, him never even considering it a possibility is too much of a "normie" mistake to make (just taking the information as presented without sensing a trick). At best, Light isn't as smart as he seemed, and at worst, he knew there weren't any more letters because he wrote them.
@@LonnyH The actual test was that Kira actually wrote those first 3 messages. The fourth one is fake. At this point L knew Kira's personality very well, so he made a trap for Light. He gave Light notes numbered 1 to 3. If Light had no previous knowledge of those notes, the first thing he would be expected to try is to order them 1 to 3. That would leave an incomplete message. If he ordered them correctly, however, he would get a sentence that makes sense. As such, if Light had no previous knowledge, his best possible answer would be "These messages are encoded, if you arrange them by what makes sense, it reads as follows, but if you order them by the numbers on the back the message seems incomplete. Either these numbers were another misdirection, or they have another meaning, or there is a fourth message that wasn't found". But, Light is Kira so he KNOWS there is no fourth message. Thus, he makes the careless mistake of taking that knowledge only Kira should have into account. Because he knows he only wrote 3, there is no possible fourth message. The only correct order is the one that makes gramatical sense, and the numbers were a misdirection made by L. But that's a conclusion only Kira could reach, no other sane person who could figure out that much would make such a wild assumption at the expense of clear evidence. To add salt to injury, Light argues back. He feels cheated because he knows there is no fourth message, and his childish side doesn't accept "losing" that little game in such an unfair way. Of course, Light manages to slip out of this situation, and none of it was sufficient conclusive evidence that Light was Kira. Even if absolutely small, there was the chance that Light simply made a mistake and believed that L gave him all the information, and then was angry to fail. it's not as if only Kira and L are childish. But it does help to justify L's belief and his later actions.
I like how it gives Light time to read them, and doesn't make him read it unreasonably fast, and the cut to his eyes, and his small facial changes really put it all together tbh. Light's also look more human than L does.
There’s something so interesting about the subtlety of the conversation without the monologue though. L producing the fourth letter really is a good catch. If Light was intuitive enough to figure out what the letters mean you’d think he’d at least ask if there was more, him dodging it completely is more indicative of him playing into an answer than actually considering anything.
When You say it like that it makes a Lot of sense, I've always thought that this was so L could catch Light being anoyed at the fact of having a famous detective saying he was wrong, but now I can see that it can be mixed with L checking if he was gonna get to the conclusión that fast
Not to disparage your argument but your statement of “if Light was intuitive enough to figure out what the letters mean” is flawed. Light was the one who made them write the letters so he is the one who truly understands the meaning. The reason he didn’t ask for more was because he himself knew that there wasn’t more which was entirely the point of L’s trap in this scene, because only Kira himself would know for certain that there were only 3 notes
@@villagersupremacy5594and also mainly cos the sentence was incomplete the order in which that L put them forward. Instead of asking “are you sure there weren’t anymore photos?” He assumes they were the only ones and decides to correct the sentence using the photos. Only Kira knows the original sentence regardless of what order L showed it to him. Kira being Light, he slipped up and showed the correct way.
It feels kinda weird not having their internal monologues like the scene still makes sense without them but without the internal monologue you're missing the actual intent and thinking and reasoning of both the characters it's just real strange
The reason there are long pauses is for the viewer to understand their thought process, in real time there would probably be less time between the dialogues
Imo, it makes sense for Light to have an irl pause here bc he's trying his best to appear normal even though he's a genius. If anything, while it is a little long, his pause makes perfect sense as he's trying to maintain that facade of a "junior detective", so to speak.
@@ambasing69 thanks man. I hope these people would see the obvious and stop making stup'd comments on how things are ridiculous when they're meant to be ridiculous
The purpose of this interaction was just to provide an opportunity for L to call Light “wrong”, and gauge a reaction to see how to defensive he got. He was testing Light’s superiority complex and I’d say Light failed and made himself that much more suspicious
This scene is actually genius. If L had continued, Light would've been caught right there. He presents 3 photos trying to see if Light slips and tells something the public couldn't know. Light is well aware of that so he tries to play safe. The genius is that L is aware that Light, if Kira, is well aware of L's perceived attempt, and moves accordingly through the scene. So L presents 3 photos. Light, if Kira, wants to get in the task force to get L's identity, so he needs to impress him, but at the same time doesn't want to be cornered. So Light doesn't easily give the true hidden message, as he realizes the pages numbers were a trap set by L (only Kira would straight disregard the fake numbering). Though, because he's petty and competitive, and wants to join, he still gives the true message with the caveat of believing the "true" numbering renders them wrong (which would imply Kira is dumb and got sloppy with his 3 part letters). Arrogantly, he believes he just did a good job there. Then L shits on him and throws one out a left field: a 4th fake picture, and asks "why were you so certain there were only 3 pics in the first place?🤔" So either Light says the fourth is a fake (and game's over), or he admits he was indeed acting under a suspicious certainty that there were only 3 pics - that was the true trap, not the numbers. He's mad cornered already, but it doesn't stop there. L then says "You know what? This whole routine I did, I also've done it to all task members, but you're the only one who deduced everything so fast". Light was soo busy trying to not slip in front of L's traps, that he forgot to act his age and occupation (student), outpacing every professional in a special task force. That was another metatrap going on from the start. Light even says "well, I sure look suspicious now, ain't I?", and starts to back off from the corner he's in. He tries to _deflect_ by saying "but this information doesn't help catching Kira anyways so..", but L ain't done and straight out throws another bone: "I want you in the secret task force, where you can get close to my name and identity". Light, fumbled, has to either deny but not for no reason, or has to accept, but not too eagerly. So he opts to deny, justifying "I would, but I don't want to be at risk.. cus maybe _you're_ Kira". He goes in a whole rant of misdirection here to paint L as Kira, as an attempt to both deflect the corner he's in and to parse out if this dude is truly L or just sent by him. "You won't even show me the team or if you, Ryuuka, is truly L, or if L's really there, just because I can't prove you I ain't Kira. So nah, the deal is off". L, though, ain't done profiling, so he says "wait.. I don't remember ever saying I wouldn't show you the team. In fact, I'l take you there right now if you say you want it". Kira didn't know how to act and was saved by his dad having a random heart attack, ending L's barrage. L and Kira are not equals in intellect at all, L was just working against paranormal bs. (Edit: eh, should've done this sooner, but for the ones who're still confused about the incomplete phrase, look at Linh Miu comment on the Japanese grammar)
You wrote an entire college discussion and I respect it. That was a great analysis of the scene, maybe I'll show it people who still say this scene was pointless
Considering he only gave him 3 pictures I'm pretty sure it would be normal to assume there should only be 3. Being suspicious of him for not thinking there was more is a bit of a reach. And you're forgetting that Light literally wants L to think he's Kira but just not be able to prove it, so he has no problem showing off how smart he is.
The notes are written in Japanese up to down (vertically) so his eyes would be moving up and down as he reads It’s just less obvious as someone reading horizontally that their eyes are moving Also bc yeah he already knows what the notes say obviously but he has to “pretend read it” and is thinking at the same time so to the viewer we know he’s not really reading it but thinking instead
There's actually another, sneakier reason -- it's an anime and this is a still frame, you don't spend your limited budget on animating characters' eyes as they read when you don't have to
@@rdtiel I guess it depends on how fast you can talk bc thoughts are basically talking to yourself inside your head They call it “brainstorming” for a reason bc it’s like a storm forming and brewing at the speed that you can talk Some thoughts DO seem to be instant though depending on what the thought is like subconscious thoughts for example
@@fighter604 almost same as the dub. Only difference is "Who love apples" is written as "Who eat nothing except apples". 1:30 L, do you know gods of death who love apples (...missing) But it sounds more jumbled up because of line to line translation.
Really? I've been studying for six months and all I don't know is what the middle line means.(aside from たべない.) It's pretty simple because the whole thing was written out in hiragana except the kanji 死 and 神, which when read separately read "death" and "God", but together reference gods of death. It's a clever acrostic on Light's part, and the dub did all right translating it.
@@astroknight5 in the spanish dub, they translated it to that as well. it's pretty cool how the sentence works the exact same way it does in japanese, even though they're completely different languages.
Honestly, other than the long pause after L told Light his deductions were wrong, this actually flowed surprisingly smoothly. Usually monologues in anime take super long because the words themselves distract the audience from how much time has passed.
The longest pause was Light studying the notes, which... yeah. It would take someone a while to read all the notes and notice the coded message if they were seeing it for the first time. Even the less long pause when L brings out the 4th note can be interpreted as a regular detective thinking about whether to confront L with the "Well, I assumed that as a fellow detective, you would share relevant evidence. Hiding evidence sounds like a Kira thing to do".
There's some professional advice I heard about interviews that applies to this scene. People forget awkward pauses. People don't forget awkward statements.
L: is he trying to come up with the exact right answer? Light: Hold on a sec L I'm monologuing a villain speech in my head right now. Seriously though they both have them but this shows just how damn long and self-indulgent Light's are. You can barely tell L is thinking to himself
The internal monologues are presumed to be taking for way less time than perceived here as it's only stretched out for the sake of the audience hearing the explanation or context of the scene.
Agreed! I haven't read Death Note in so long and forgot how this scene went, that Light saying, "There's a hidden message," threw me for such a loop lol. He practically incriminated himself right away.
I always assumed that the inner monologues take up about a second in their time, and are just slowed down and articulated for the audience. Basically time "freezes" so that we can get the thought processes spelled out to us the dumb dumb audience, but because these two are geniuses, the actual monologue happens in a flash, so no awkward pauses like this... just my thoughts. Edit: lots of pseudo-intellectuals in the responses, acting like this this an obvious assumption. My comment was not meant to be an "epithany" that I suddenly came to a day ago; thought going faster than speech is something I have been familiar with in media for quite some time, like Im sure many of you. Neither am I trying to criticize the video; it is a funny ass take on the matter, and I do not believe it's supposed to be a critique in itself either. Edit 2: I am aware I mistyped epiphany, but Im not a coward so I wont edit it out.
You can see this is true when watching the scenes that involve intensely waiting looking at a watch and waiting for someone to die. A second passing on the watch actually takes several seconds of watching the show
This was alot less ridiculous than i thought. I liked the fact that without the internal monologue it was way more obvious that light was not really studying the photograph's but strongly thinking about what he should say.
I always thought the response after this of L increasing Light's probability of being Kira from less than 1% to 4% because he didn't think to ask about a possible 4th (fake) note, to be odd. Then this edit happened, and a decade plus later, I finally see what was probably very obvious to everyone else.
@@MarkoPolo1223 i though it was because Light acted as it he was sure that there was 3 letters. And pulling out a fourth letter confused Light, more even after L was pulling out a different message that the one Light said. Obviously taking in mind that Light at that moment was taking everything personally after the tennis match with L
@Lecherous Lizard this became longer than I meant it to become. I am so sorry. Only Kira and the police know how many notes there are. Light ignores the labeled numbers (1,2, and 4) on the back, saying the order doesn't make sense. Now, here is where some knowledge of written Japanese is helpful. In Japanese, using a string of kanji can mean something very different than the individual kanji. Plus, they write from top to bottom in columns and then move right to left. Unlike in English, where we move left to right and then down the page. This changes the number of possibilities of what the fake note could contain to complete the message. With that in mind, Light became so paranoid about being tested that he implemented himself by not asking for a note labeled 3. Again, only the police and Kira know there are only 3 real notes. A perfect deduction would have concluded with either asking for the final note or saying it's an incomplete message. However Light insisted that the message was complete. L used the limited scope of public knowledge to see how a genius soon-to-be detective will respond to the information given. Since Light didn't ask for a note labeled 3 and operated on the assumption that there wasn't another note, an assumption Kira would make, that is why L increased the possibility of Light being Kira, but only by 3%.
@@Another_El_User yeah that's what I'm saying. Light knew there were three because he wrote three, but then L pulls out a fourth. Light was sure he was right because he knew L was lying about the fourth and L believed that Light's confidence came from knowing there weren't any more.
Light: sits there in silence for an awkwardly long time L: "Uh......Light? Are you okay? Hellllloooooooo? Earth to Light Yagami. Say anything if you're not Kira." Light: continues to sit in silence L: "Well..........I guess you're Kira then." Light: "Sorry. I zoned out for a minute. What's going on?"
it really shows the tension happening in real time. We're usually so caught up in the monologue while viewing that seeing the scene actually play out from Ls perspective is really interesting
without the monologue you realized he only looked at 2 notes he never even looks at the back of them, making it all the more obvious he was stalling to seem like he was thinking
It would be interesting if we could watch the whole series without the internal monologues and without the audience knowing who exactly is the Kira so the audience could be the judge of whether Light is innocent or guilty
The thrill in Death Note comes from Light finding ways to avoid getting caught while also being part of the team investigating his own crimes. L knows that Light is Kira, but he has to prove it and find a way to trap him/prevent the use of the Death Note's powers (which are unknown to L). Simply arresting Light (which does happen) isn't enough to stop him. It wouldn't really be Death Note if it were a more conventional detective/mystery story.
Reminds me how the orignal Evangelion had a low budget and ran out halfway which is how we got that elevator scene of Rei and Asuka just standing in an elevator saying nothing for an unnerving amount of time. It was like other parts of the show used to save budget but also had a neat effect of building suspense and realism.
A great artist makes the most of the tools they have, also you may have convinced me to give that show a shot, it keeps coming up, and that sounds like the type of scene i'd fuck with
@@lightningmonky7674evangelion is so good you should definitely check it out!! I finished it for the first time last week, watched the whole thing in only a week including the movies. the anime has tons of scenes where they are making the most out of a tiny budget, imo it’s really amazing
@@perogun i got that but i couldnt decide if they chose to let the shot stay for a minute as an artistic choice or they ran out of money to animate shinji screaming and shit lol
I need to rewatch the entire show like this It'd be fun "not knowing"/"guessing"/"trying to remember" what the characters are/were thinking in these moments and then witnessing their subsequent actions
Imagine you are asking some random guy a simple question and he answers you after 1 minute while death staring you like he is choosing dialogue options in fallout 😂
