Death of a Game: Crucible 

First person to guess it I've seen!

ind i was one of the fools that pre ordered ANTHEM

@@nerdSlayerstudioss please include everything that happened behind the scenes, that jason article showed so much of how things worked internally, Bioware even had a crying room

@@UndyingZero Terminally Ill and on Life Support of a Game: Anthem!

@@UndyingZero it’s sort of a lose-lose situation with it, there’s no timetable, we don’t know if it’s going to be free with heavy microtransactions or paid for, it’s a very small team, only things that have been shown are barebones concepts, and by the time it comes out interest would most likely be minimal.

So bad at cooking that you unmake food

@@G-Mastah-Fash did not need that mental image

Reminds me of this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4_ZXIVEJ4fE.html

Yeah - wtf was Breakaway?

True, sounds as a payday spin ofg

I didn't even know Crucible even existed.

@@TheZoragon is ok

@@rawovunlapin8201 It was the game Amazon had Double Helix(the Killer Instinct remake developers composed of former Shiny Entertainment and The Collective developers) develop, before killing the game and the developer before it was even released.

The very same can be said of New World, considering all the changes of direction they've had. It's like they give the chef's hat to another person every month.

Agreed.. They need to play to these guys strengths. Taking the founder of Westwood, their best bet, and what would generate incredible amounts of hype, would be to stick him in charge of producing a Command and Conquer spiritual successor. The guys from guild wars 2? Stick them on New World. If they want to build a moba they need moba developers, get people from League of Legends, Dota 2, or even Paladins or Overwatch. Blizzard is bleeding talent all over the place right now. if Amazon was smart they'd start snapping some of these devs up.

@@ExarchGaming if they are making a third person moba..ex-Smite, Gigantic and Paragon and Blizz devs would have been best for sure

That still the devs fault you can take 1 night and come up with a game concept. By that point you start on the core features that you can build a game around then they at least have a direction. But the Engine Issue cant blame them for.

Sounds like New World XDD

More like... Now That’s What I Called This is How You Do Not Make a MMOG.

Nah, they missed other hits such as "Too Many Microtransactions", "Lootboxes", and who could forget the classic, "The Game Doesn't Fucking Work".

@@arnox4554 they released the game so unfinished even half the microtransactions weren’t in it yet, only other studio I’ve seen do that is DICE

I really do think it is the uniqueness of the video game industry that did it. The secrecy, the deadlines, the constant need to adapt to upsets, it's all kind of different with video games. Being behind deadlines is super common with games, especially big ones and amazon higher ups probably arent used to that lol. Also the idea that the engine is bad to them was probably more like a worker blaming their tools. Being secretive and then like dumping info probably works for innovative tech development but for a game (especially a new ip) it's like "oh..okay a hero shooter? Coming out in a few months?" It just requires a different mindset and maybe they shouldve hired outside help for that publisher role specifically and then the rest of them could continue to uh idk one of the 1000 ventures they got alongside it too.

Same happen with Stadia and Luna. Thats why they are going to fail.

EA definetly has worse reputation but surely they do have years of experience. Compared to Amazon, EA knows what they are doing even if it doesnt seem so, in some way they know how to make a cashgrab and thats waht Amazon didnt know.

@@crawlingchaos2811 They used the same project management style as with their website and database systems. This involved reporting to higher ups constantly, who would often demand to see functioning work, whilst also demanding immediate changes. Making any changes in game design can take months to design everything for the new idea. It was completely impractical and all 3 of these Amazon games have nightmare stories of being constantly changed in design vision and scope with constant corporate meddling. Amazon having little experience in making and publishing games heavily shows in that they can barely get 1 PC game off the ground.

Just like that time when they launched a phone then?

@jocaguz18 Yeah.. If they cleaned up their spaghetti code a bit, the game would be so much better. There's so much promise there. lol

It feels like the 2000s MMO gold rush all over again.

i wonder if paladins is gonna survive hi-rez moving on to rogue company their previous game before paladins didnt fare too well...

@@drowzydullahan it's hirez, they'll never fix the spaghetti. They don't know how to polish for shit.

@@TheeOK1 I'm honestly surprised of how polished it is compared to years ago, but the servers are absolutely fucked with no fix in sight

And good thing too, the hero shooter gets boring real quick just like its preceding trend...battle royale

why the game trying so hard to be big why cant it just be casual like paragon ?

@@Tragedyval simple, if you can cash in on whatever is popular right now, would you? Cause that's how most big companies see trends, a money milker which is also why there's so many superhero movies and tv shows

@@tyrantking2322 not all genres can be e Sports

I'm at a point where i just turn off as soon as i see the term (super)hero attached to it.

I guess they took a "high risk, high reward" decision

@@el_mr6439 Which is what they do with everything they do... And it often doesn't work out. They break the back end on Amazon about once a month or so because if a team isn't innovating something (that isn't needed 99% of the time) then it gets cut. So people are constantly 'innovating' and consequently breaking everything...

@@EasilyDistractedPlanner And most of that is so they can write it all off in taxes as "Research and Development"... What a joke.

@@ingram2617 tax loopholes obv make everything better

@@ingram2617 Potentially, but also because they want to be the 'most innovative' company in the world. If you're not constantly 'innovating', then you're kicked out. That this means that you've constantly got teams literally undoing the work some other team was doing 2 weeks ago and that teams have no idea what other teams are doing and that sellers and customers are suffering because of it... They don't care one bit. Every month, around the 15th of the month, the author back-end of the Amazon website is wonky and unstable, books you publish during those days have problems with their files, with their covers, sales are not being registered properly and royalties come in late. This has been going on for a decade. Because the 15th, they verify all the sales of the previous month. You'd think that after a decade, they'd have streamlined this and wouldn't break their own system every month. But they created the verification system once, it works (mostly...), and it's not 'cool' and 'interesting' so they keep the same jank they've been using for the last decade. No innovation there because there's no bonus fixing a system that's not 'cool' in the eyes of the company, so they prefer to 'innovate' on something that is considered 'cool' so they can move up in the system. This and the 'rise and fall' of Crucible are perfect examples of how Amazon's system is toxic in everything that they do and touch. It's not healthy, there's no real 'innovation' or 'creation', they just have too much money and will throw it at people hoping that they will make more 'cool' things for the company. That's really all.

SC ended up heavily modifying and enhancing the engine to the point where it's unrecognizable. But the limitations really showed throughout the years of development. Yikes

Even worse they aimed for them to be Esports or heavily streamer interactable.

Which is weird because Hunt:Showdown runs on crytek and is online only and works fine

@@bl1nder898 game has awful optimization and only allows for 20 people per session

@@igorz4582 the point about 20 people is a good one, optimisation is fine tho, it was shit in early acess but now its actually very good

Yaa as a fan of crucible, when I heard they pulled the plug I was crushed. Cant even begin to imagine how they felt

crushing for the actual hard workers, but frankly im glad it turned out this way. management staff shouldnt be rewarded with successful games when they fail on every level like they did here

You spared me the typing. Thanks :)

He's gotta remake the video now

@@jonahfalcon1970 you're wrong because reasons

@@jonahfalcon1970 yes that's it.

@@jonahfalcon1970 Objections: The phrase have been used since the late 17th century, so it can't be from the 1800s More over the meaning, in multiple definitions it meant something _did_ happened- albeit briefly, as oppose to the "gold in the pan" analogy, when someone _thought_ something happened, but actually never occurred.

I am guessing that is the next video's title? XD

won't be long

Not quite dead yet with a average 1k daily noobs still playing that game

Oh god I can't wait

@@ououkuaipao 1k players a day, is pretty much dead. Compared to its numbers at launch.

Yeah, from what I hear from QA testers, it's hard to even find the game fun after a while anyways, after you've spent hours and hours tediously running at walls.

@@the_mad_fool depends on the tester. But you are correct. Of all the games I've tested, I've never played them after they released. The appeal is just gone. Already know the story or twist or gameplay mechanics and after spending 300 hours testing it I definitely don't want to see it again.

True, also the dev hands are tied to the BA's decissions.

@@SurikatMeerkat Dude, you guys are unsung heroes of game dev. I feel like a lot of people underestimate the skill required to do QA. Like, every time I play with the QA team in playtests, I'm floored by how they can not only play the game really well, but at the same time be eyeing every detail of the particle physics and AI and everything else. Then at the end the dev team is like "okay, any issues?" and the QA team is like "this is wrong and this is off and this feels bad". Meanwhile I'm just like "uhhh...it was fine?"

@@the_mad_fool Thanks brother. But it's fine, in my personal opinion I'm just happy to provide my feedback and do something I enjoy.

Well, they massively fucked up the entire concept of queueing as well. Instead of dropping you in a team and then allowing you to pick a hunter, or allowing "counter picks". They had you select one before hand, so that if you picked one of the popular ones, your queue time would be longer because there couldn't be two of the same hunter in one team. Not sure if they fixed that later on but to have such a system in place is just mindboggling.

@@jesperburns What you're saying rings true. And while it's not enough of a plus to offset the downsides, one upside was that they gave each character their own queue music. :P

@@mcgamerson8043 that's cute

@@jesperburns That would definately increase the queue times massively, especially since there was so few characters to choose from.

@@jesperburns that’s what ow does

It had paragon syndrome written all over it tbh. From the graphics to the lack of polish

I mean it's very obvious why. It looks like every other similar game, it is very generic. It had no identity like DOAG said. No mystery.

it looks like every other brown-ish realistic-ish serious-ish game seriously underwhelming

@@QuintaFeira12 Wow what a throwback. Personally, I played a tiny bit of Dawngate, but didn't stick around with it because I was already invested in League (those skins aren't cheap). But I do remember really liking some character. As a whole though, it was pretty stock-standard. Hearing your mention of it though, had me googling it and looks like there was a Kickstarter to revive it a few months back. Weird.

@jocaguz18 I also worked on Amazon and yeah that was a pain in the ass

and about 3 years too late and with a subpar product

Hero shooters? Not an overcrowded marketplace

@@Yuno.Kashiki Not Overcrowded, but definitely very solidified.

@@S3Cs4uN8 I think the attention that it got and the massive playerbase that it launched with is indicative that players want a good new hero shooter. Having had the pleasure of talking closely with a few of the developers, Crucible just had too many issues to retain that attention.

and now that EME is gone, I wonder how much lower it'd go

what's gone wrong with it? not played it in some time..a long time actually.

This was true even like 2 years ago honestly

Still kind of disappointed to see where they went with NT. I LOVED the PSP Dissidia games and was hoping for more of the same. I know NT is based on the arcade game but I was kind of hoping for PC they put in the extra effort to make a proper campaign like the PSP versions.

I would love an Evolve DoaG. That game and it's development really fascinated me.

i think its good that amazon tries new things that risk failure instead of playing everything super safe like almost all other big companies. they have the money so why not. though the big mistake is the games are all very cookie cutter and not innovative. if they want to experiemt with the games market, give some creative people a couple millions and let them realize their vision. feels like the game was made by market analysts not by the developers sadly.

​@@Obelion_ Well put, that's precisely it; they are cookie cutter. All that money in Amazon vaults and all we get is the triple-A equivalent of those Chinese knock-off mobile games. If it weren't from some great art, I would bet that being the case. That said, it also leads me to believe that they aren't trying new things. I'm saying this, because I actually really like flawed games that aim high by trying new stuff, yet fall short in the eyes of the many. I don't see any of that 'rugged charm' here. It's almost as if Amazon's HR hired as many online game devs they could and handed them a paper saying "We want an MMO, an Overwatch and a Rocket League. My analyst said kids love those on Twitch right now. Sort it out among yourselves. Signed: Bezos".

Who is the idiot executive wasting money on these failed games?

Testing studios only test if the game works and if there are any bugs. If they only included "is it any fun though" in their unit tests

You had me until you said NW was crap, which makes it clear that you're full of crap.

@@Blue.Diesel Can't entirely disagree, honestly Earl was super fun but he was just so damn OP.

​ @Rotten Rotny If you want to have your own opinion, that's fine man. You do you. When I played it I wasn't testing for fun similar to what Blue Diesel said, although that could be a factor, but it was an unoptimized mess. Full of bugs, loading times were god awful, rendering was like playing Minecraft with low render distance only everything was blurry instead of foggy- the input lag felt atrocious, the cramped, messy UI, the world felt unnecessarily big even for what was cleared for testing, nothing was explained and the crafting felt too over the top, skills might as well either been worthless or OP. I (tried) playing War Mode, and everything I mentioned previously but this was with what, 50 or so toons all in one area? Half the shit didn't even render, and if there was anything it was a simple geometric placeholder. You could lay in the grass and snipe people with a rifle and noone will ever find you cause you ended up clipping into a rock. The worst part about all of this? Every time I tested it, this was a server stress test. Not an evaluation of the game itself, but how well their servers could handle a big influx of people all trying to squeeze into that little networking tunnel. No wonder it has to keep being delayed. They don't have a game, they have a bandaged up mess of various elements they don't even know what they are.

There was a Smite card game?!

@@onigames7309 yeah, it was actually kinda fun for a little bit but it died FAST.

I think you can still play it lol Hirez won't move my 90$ worth of gems in it over to smite =/

I knew Amazon had released a game before Crucible but had no idea what it was.

I was in the process of falling in love w/ Breakaway just from the clip he was showing, then immediately had my heart stomped by his cleats. I will never love another sportsball game again, unless there is a Pyre 2. I want Pyre 2.

Funny enough, I played a lot of Breakaway (even had pleasure of being flown out by AGS to attend some LANs for marketing) and Breakaway also deserved more.

Didnt Toxikk also flop hard

@@Sleeprocket1 Unfortunately, yes. Which is a shame cause they really put a lot of love into it. But sadly, Arena Shooters just aren't the same craze that they were back in the early 2000's.

thats sadly true .

So true, based on all I've learned from watching Nerdslayer for years, that game is pretty much failing by the numbers.

I play to preview and I can say game pretty polished and solid But u never know. 🤷‍♂️

@George Stokes * googles the phrase * * only labor unions pop up * Sounds like your just repeating coporate propaganda, buddy

@George Stokes Not really. I think more people are fine with diversity. The reason unions aren't happening is because a minority of assholes who'd rather simp for elites than accept other people. Why should I cater to traitors? I'd rather throw them in jail...but no matter how we feel, the world is what it is.

What could have helped if they allowed them to use those minor millions they won't miss because there's billions over their heads. If they focused on everything this game and stopped trying to do too much they could have dropped something with 3 stages like 5 modes and maybe 30 characters. But noooo Corpos ironically do not know how to make money

Sadly, that probably won't happen. Amazon is only interested in a quick profit. They really aren't looking at this for the long term

Thank you. We have more coming in the ways of branding too, more shirts, badges, and membership options. Thank you for the support.

Or even starcitizen... when it comes out in 60 years

@@kylejones2318 Implying they won't still be milking saps for megabux by that point.

Yeah I was surprised he didn’t mention that. I read in a lot of comment sections people thinking it was Destiny and not a new game.

He's covered Maple Story 2 already. The other two he hasn't done yet.

Duelyst :(

@@DestroyerArcher Marvels Avengers

Poaching talents from other existing studios kinda makes sense, and I bet Amazon wanted to just be their own unique one built from the ground up, which i guess so far that's what it is. Only time will tell if Amazon Game Studios will continue to silently try to churn out more projects once New World is fully released.

I remember this game too, I really enjoyed it! Was sad to lose it too, it filled that void that Gigantic left behind. I'm amazed and so happy Gigantic is back for a second chance, and it'll almost certainly never happen for Crucible, but I wish this game got a second chance too..