Death of a Game: Heroes of Newerth 

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You couldn't be more wrong about the HoN community being toxic. And you missed the main feature that elevated LoL and DOTA2 into mainstream social media and left HoN on the fanforums. Match making tomFukery. They made it easier for everyone to get a bite of chicken dinner. Children prefer random odds and that sharp twang of dopamine they get for winning when they know they should lose. HoN didn't play no mess. Case closed. Kids pay the light bill. Story as old as consumerism. But toxicity again, you could not be more wrong. I smurfed that whole community. Talking bout TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA BUBBLES. Waxin new mids by the slice. There was no pair of cheeks in that entire community that didn't fear a noname rolling TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA BUBBLES. I gave a small country worth a people PTSD. I conjured up some of the most based internet cancer the world has ever mfkin seen. Is what I am tellin you right now. I riled these kids up like it was my job, FOR YEARS. Never got old, still isn't. But no matter how insanely abusive and belligerent HoN players got in the heat of the moment, it was gone by the next game. DOTA2 and LoL incorporated the idea of corporately sterilizing the community of offensive communication into their business model. HoN was viewed internally as "unmarketable" because the players would rip on each other saying words and phrases their "ideal" investor and marketing partners would find objectionable. They ran into trouble trying to keep filters ahead of kids coming up with new ways of suggesting you go carbon neutral by cuddling up with a dirt blankie. So instead they monetized the idea that they were "making the community less toxic". It's all a lie of course. All they did was with LoL force the players into the moderation roll and left them to their own delusions and monetized participation while secretly seeding pools of repeat offenders together. And DOTA2 just used the opportunity to lower perceived matchmaking times and corporate palatability by openly declaring low priority pools of players flagged for "misconduct". As awful as people pretend HoN was, nothing compares to low priority lifers in DOTA2 or hordes of LoL sockpuppet superstars trying to avoid their naughty timeouts and game the season pass for skins. These larger publishers applied LCD elementary school logic to their marketability metrics and take advantage of kids who saw the MOBA scene, wanted in, but couldn't, or had no interest in, skill development. Like the ITT tech version of a formal education. ANYBODY CAN DO IT, if we rig the matchmaking and design the game to heavily favor comeback mechanics and item builds while removing any and all skill checks from the leveling and resource harvesting process... but I digress. HoN couldn't have killed more than a house cat with it's pitiful levels of degenerate toxicity is what I am trying to say. Kids in Low Priority DOTA2 especially... they are like Australian fauna. Just out there with deadly weapons pointed at each other from all directions. Mass appeal and competition are incompatible. Trash talk is part of adult competition. Kids can't handle emotional turmoil or challenges to ego. It's all fake boobs. Gonna be pulling calcified implants out of this industry for decades...

League

Implying people who play mobas care about skincare.

as a Devoted HoN player since 2011, to its final day, I would like to thank you for the amazing effects that not every MOBA can replicate. Your work colored my life. Thank you very much.

My FAVOURITE Computer Game In Existence

Changed mine, and many friends lives (we'll assume for the better why not). Thank you! (These are my favourites, extra thank you if you worked on them! Jereziah, Circe, Lord Salforis, Moraxus, Parasite, Sand Wraith, Scout, Chipper, Dark Lady)

Still the peak moba at its best

You guys can come back to HON ! It's running again by players'support! And it works fine!! Public matchmaking and everything! Search RU-vid and watch (HoN OMG) channel videos about how to get the new client (:

Icefrog's name is known, his face isn't. Current speculation is that he's wyk lmaooo

He hides from angry dota 2 fans lmao

@@sudonim7367 WHat does wyk stand for?

@@dieptrieu6564 wykrhym reddy who is an employee at valve, he's usually the one who posts about upcoming patches

@@dieptrieu6564 Wykrhm Reddy, dota2's unofficial community manager

It was the best.

Failed taunt "LAUGHABLE"😂

@@dandihardiansyah8533 no, Laughable was tower deny, failed taunt was NOT TODAY DIRTBAGGGGGGGGGGG hahahahah

@@gendengraven5049 well its been a year tho i forgot but thanks

man, I remember having macros to drop after killing people in chat too SIT DOWN SON etc lol. it was so toxic but it was great

damn me too. Also I was so young back in days :D

you can still play it, community developers still update the game try to find HoN 2 on youtube.

you can still play type project kongor on google

It's called project kongor

and dont forget the beautiful hot female heroes and skins 😍😍 league used to have hot champs but rito made sure to ruin them along with adding vanguard to make me uninstall

It's fucked up but I laughed too.

This comment made me laugh and then want to cry. There was so much rage and trash talk, but looking back now it was exactly that. Entertaining nights. So many of my games ended with "All right, you hate me and I hate you, but let's group up at mid and see what we can actually accomplish together".

ah the good old days on the internet when you could have some fun without getting reported and temp banned by little crybabies

and it went all the way to the top because CEO himself was toxic and trolled people on the forums. i remember a time when devs made a meme with the S2 gorilla smiling and saying something about collecting player's tears for the bottle.

@@JewTube001 that is so funny i love it

That's basically what Dota 1 does. Minus the wc3 engine and the noodle connection.

@@firstnamesurname2482 the best thing about HoN was that you could reconnect and there were essentially no hacks that i'm aware of atleast, in the dota wc3 literally everyone used maphack lol. Ranked aswell obviously.

i uninstall HoN 5 days after I bought it back then. I can't stand the playerbase. I understand creep last hit and creep deny. it's also core mechanic of DotA. But man, stop yelling at mic because I missed a creep. HoN players are basically the 2nd rate DotA players that were bullied in DotA

@@KoeSeer Man….if you’re not already good, then you will NEVER start playing when people are SO incredibly hostile

@@Zukure I remember a hack that made your view more zoomed out

Yep, lived in a poor country too and most of US didn't have PC so internet cafe is number 1 choice for gamers, it was 10x more fun than now when i play alone on my PC, the atmosphere is just different, we are poor kid but it's kinda sweet little toxic circle we had, i still remembered laughing, thrashing and joking around with my friends, even back then the Kids who can afford PC at their house still go to netcafe bc it's so much more fun

Now that makes sense. Since most of the toxicity I have seen are SEA and Eastern Europe where internet cafe culture is very common

@@Krynillix How is internet cafe culture common in Eastern Europe, lmfao.

@@MJ-ze3vw It actually is/was though?

@@Krynillix From experience in Internet cafes in Dota 1, most people there knows each other and are regulars and often fuck around screaming, trashtalking each others for fun. I think that carried over to online multiplayer games where instead of screaming over the stall trashtalking a friend for fun, you all chat a complete stranger from across the globe trashtalking them for fun

Holy shit neopets is still alive? Well damn.....

It was even worse in the case of HoN, S2 sold the asian market to Garena and the latin american market to some random small colombian company, it was awful as a brazillian have to be stuck playing on incredibly high pings (because connecting to any latin american country was slower than the original S2 server in Miami) and being forced to interact with the community in spanish which I didn't knew any of it. S2 fractured their small community in 3 pieces, there is no way that was going to work. The worst part was that HoN was a brilliant game, I loved every aspect of it, even the "toxicity" of the players and the balance issues. it was a game for real competitive people something that no other game out there nowadays caters to.

Yo I'm going home after work today and checking out neopets, I totally forgot about that lol

agreed.

The game also had awesome skins that I wish Dota 2 had. Ultimate Avatars was sick AF where your hero would drastically change as he levels up.

I had a difficult time adapting to being friendly when I quit HoN, it was truly a crucible.

That's right. 😂

I think you described it perfectly, the game has a special charm of that era of time that can never be replicated. Something about the brutality and the rawness of the game is more magical than DotA 2 and LoL could ever be but maybe we've just grown older and become nostalgic

raw interactions that is not possible anymore, pure enjoyment and suffering put a smile on my face

i wish dota and laeague heroes were half as creative and felt good to play

I remember that, too! Though it's been like 12 years since

still the heaviest feeling single target ult made

Don't forget using codex for instant killing

@@magnem1043 Undoubtedly.

First Savage game was so great and fun to play.

Not sure if it was the same for you but I first picked it up from a pcgamer demo disk. Savage Resurrection was so unfortunate, would love to see it on this series.

I got savage 2 off of a pcgamer demodisk! Wicked memories

@@Kenshiken its still playable as SavageXR, this community even to try bring it to steam

@@onisekai547 I know man. Tried it several times. Just a ghost town or only sweats left out :(

Indeed

agreed, i always felt it was weird to split up the playerbase, and since most of the playerbase arent in my region, i had to stop playing due to ridiculous queue times

@@axeman89757 i feel the same about dota2,. stopped playing it 3-4 years ago, because when i'm ready to play. no one was there.

The price tag was the deciding factor in the PH, it maybe cheap in USA but it's not in PH, especially when your average moba players are teens or young adults. I was really hoping forward to the open/beta or launch, but ironically it literally killed it in PH and everyone just stick to League. It did went free to play but it was far too late, no shop had it installed and no one plays it. I think League will still come ahead even if HoN went F2P from the beginning cause of League's progression system(even if a little), people would just smurf in HoN, the brass at S2 being trolls themselves wouldn't help.

This is actually very wrong, they never split the servers. When HoN was in beta all players Latin and North america all played together. At one point they split the servers up so latin players were not with the rest of North America again but remerged us some few months before Moria was added and they never split the server again. At least the last 6-7 years were with a complete merged server, which is one of the main reasons this game failed. I know this as fact as I played the last day the servers closed and out of the last 4 hon games of my life only 1 of my last 16 teammates spoke English. All of my friends quit because of the daily jaja trolls we had to deal with. The reason the ques were so long during the end is no one was playing, it had nothing to do with servers being split.

Bro you can still play on new Masterserver.. With MM Queue and stuff

That just sounds horribly exhausting.

@@phiri2091 is this true ?

@@1EpicMusic it is, we are playing a lot

@@RazielGamer4fun1 niceeee I will join 100%

The only thing HoN and to some extent, Dota players can hope is that Valve would buy Frostborn or at least acquire some of it assets and port it to Dota 2. HoN got some neat heroes that would be great if it in Dota.

@@firstnamesurname2482 Also loved the darker design.

@@firstnamesurname2482 Some heroes like Puppet Master were pretty well made.

@@firstnamesurname2482 people are hinting Void Spirit voicelines are talking about HoN. look it up, its some interesting theory. other that that we can only hope. atleast port the heroes to DotA.

I’m a mid player and totally miss the counter play Nomad provided, the huge ult dmg jump from deadwood, or slowing someone down to oblivion with Arachna

That's a nice sentiment but you are looking at the problem in such a simple manner. Example, one of the kill streak announcement was "Kicked Ass". Now, if we use basic psychology, we know that if ppl see a cookie they might want to eat it (ppl see cuss words and will be more inclined to use them). Alot of little details, like the amount of time it takes to revive or the death animation, can greatly influence the type of community around a game. And, if a company allows people to say trash shit in their restaurant, then I wouldn't want to eat there. Same thing with a game. Edit: had to separate it into paragraphs bc psychology. Think about it...

@@stefan1360 No, no it isn't. Please point out an example. If you want to use Overwatch, just remember when I talk about toxicity I won a DreamHack LAN tournament and was a top 500 ranked player...which means you can't handwave toxicity and say it's just sour grapes or not having an understanding of the game.

This unfortunately is an incredibly idealistic, and frankly speaking naïve perspective. First off, saying your personal anecdote for the game versus the THOUSANDS of comments to the contrary, is just bad optics and a bad argument. That's not how statistics work. I appreciate you giving me your personal opinion, but you can't handwave all toxicity because you are one anecdote...? Second, as a player who talks trash (you read that right), that's not the same as being toxic to your own team (something players weirdly like to conflate and idk why). Psychology states that toxicity past a point has no utility anyway. Are there are bunch of oversensitive players who have never had struggle getting too easily offended? Yes, this is a broad population issue. But games not organizing communities, enforcing rules and a healthy environment, and supporting "good communication" are hamstringing themselves by basically supporting toxicity. Saying your teammate is shit is not helpful, it's just teenage angst or weird nerd rage that needs another outlet. Telling them to help you is part of the game. People routinely try to act stupid in the differences and it's frustrating when you see both sides (aka I actually talk to my teammates and shit talk my enemies). Riot and Dota spend tons of time and resources dedicated to combatting toxicity, whether you experienced it still or not doesn't change this fact lol. HoN didn't, and the difference was staggering. Giving people a mute button as a sole solution is very silly in a modern age where people are playing games you HAVE to communicate it. It's one of those sounds smarter or more logical than it is statements, that easily gets holes poked in it.

@@nerdSlayerstudioss Sorry but no, your personal ancedote is no better than mine. I lived through the growth of riot and dota and hon and I saw just as many complaints about people griefing in every game. There was no difference. The only difference is one allowed the players to police themselves and the other (league) stifled and choked the players. You don't NEED to communicate anything in mobas. The first thing every gameplay coach says is ignore chat, pings are more than enough. Almost every beloved classic multiplayer game that will actually be remembered 20=50 years from now was hands off and left the players to self police. Riot bought their fame with chinese money and they have done more harm than good to the world of gaming. Their own company was and still is a cesspool of corruption. I know just how bad that place was I was a mod for their forums for a while. The fact of the matter is mobas are the most stressful and competitive genre of video games ever designed with more depth than chess and this causes huge amounts of stress and friction. There will always be conflict but censorship and choking out players freedom is never the solution. I'm not even saying hon did everything right, I'm just saying you trying to make it seem like banter was one of the core reasons the game died is just plain childish and shows that your analysis comes from a place of bias. Still a good video I don't mean to come off as antagonistic I think you do mostly great work. But censorship and controlling of peoples minds is a subject that hits very close to home for me and I can't ignore it.

@@bt636 he said there is a difference from banter and toxicity. You seem to be combining the two. Also, if I go to a restaurant where someone is shouting the N word, and management doesn't do something about it, I'm leaving. Same thing with a game. A company's community and what they allow to be said within the confines of their game is a big part of a company's reputation. It's not a freedom of speech argument. It's the COMPANY'S game, it's their virtual space. They have the ownership of that space and get to choose how they want to serve their customers. I hope that explanation helps to understand that self policing, isn't the way towards success. If self policing worked then we wouldn't need police in the real world, or laws. Starbucks doesn't have customers self police rude customers. Nike doesn't allow for their fans to run the Public Relations team. I don't understand how players can say self policing works, when it has never worked in real life. What makes people think it would work in a virtual space, where I have more anonymity?

To expand on that : there are no MOBA around which can pick up the role that HoN played. No MOBA is as competitive as HoN was. And some might say the competitiveness was a problem. Some might criticize the toxicity. Well... if there's one thing Heroes of Newerth taught me, it's that other people's toxicity rarely ever is a problem: but the way you respond to it might be. Heroes of Newerth wasn't just the best competitive playground. It was also the best playground to confront your own stoïcism. I think reading Epictetus and playing Heroes of Newerth is like cheese and red wine : they're both good on their own, but they make the greatest of pairings.

I played Dota 1 for 5 years, HoN for about 2 and DotA 2 for about 10 on and off and HotS for a few months. I couldn't get into LoL or Smite or anything else that I tried. DotA 2 is by far the best Moba that ever existed.

​@@nonikita I dunno... I tried to get into it again. To me, it seems like everything just goes slower : movement, spells... don't you find that Dota 2's gameplay isn't as quick paced as HoN's ? Because my point isn't really about what Moba is "the best" : that's up to our individual tastes. It was about which Moba was the most dangerously addictive... as fast-paced gameplay is an element of gameplay that more readily makes players enter "the zone". For instance, we both may agree that coffee is the best drug... the fact of the matter is that if you start doing coke, caffeine won't do the trick for you anymore. Similarly... I can agree that Dota 2 is better than HoN, for a lot of reasons. But it just doesn't work for me. It doesn't trigger the flux effect that I can get with games like HoN or Geometry Dash.

@@Harold046 Indeed it's very noticable. Blink Dagger vs Portal Key. I need more prepare myself to blink and Axe Berserker Call because theres a chance your enemy will just run on a slight delay. meanwhile in HoN, Legi Taunt and blink is almost an instant.

@@Harold046 exactly why i cant play lol

Seconding this. I loved Dawngate so much in the beta to the point were I decided to take a break as surely the full launch would be even better... Yeah. So many innovative ideas that never got the chance to shine like they should have done. The different roles where for some last hitting mattered and others it didn't was especially brilliant in encouraging different skill level of players.

I hated MOBAs, before trying out Dawngate. The Devs were friendly, the champs were fun, and it just felt different from the rest of the market. By the time it had come out, I had tried everything out there at least once. and Dawngate actually had me playing on my free time.

As someone who also played, agreed. It definitely had potential, though it was also a bit squandered. Might also be interesting to cover the fan projects that came after it and their status, such as Aetherforged and Dreambound, or for that matter Shardbound (CCG made by many of the same devs, with several Dawngate references.) If you need a clue on DG itself, look into the Progression Patch. I’m vaguely convinced that putting off major and needed systems updates for one big super-patch, including the meta-progression systems, created some major quit moments. Useless crafting currency that couldn’t be used to buy anything didn’t help.

Aw man Dawngate was nice I'd love to see a vid of that

I second this as well, this is probably my favourite moba to exist, and was very sad when it got shut down so early.

You should have heard Mark yell angrily from his office during games or flame users inside the game. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GIeRskO-mYk.html

what about the head of S2Games being a racist ingame lmao, calling another player the N word lol

Caster is mage, right? If so, I've been a LoL caster main since 2011. Love mages! But they are usually so underpowered compared to fighters/bruisers and assassins... But they are the most fun to me!

exactly, I transitioned to Dota long long ago, but always missed those HoN heroes.. those heroes were much more unique and had better theme. Their spells were much more tailored to fit together. Dota feels like everyone has almost the same spells. Emerald Warden, RA, puppet master, myrmidon, midas... so unique mechanics and spell for each hero

@@milansvancara What the hell are you talking about, HoN is literally a copy of dota1 with better graphics and well, they had to modify some stuff not to be a blatant ripoff. I mean, they literally COPIED over 50 heroes with almost same skills and gave them different names. You people are serious mentaloids xD.

they were totally clowsn there.. they paid it tho

if you're going to say this you should probably post the info for how to get into that server, right?

@@bigthecat542 look up project Kongor.

No it failed because it was more hardcore than even DoTA 1, I played a few games but it was too complex for my taste. LoL won because it achieved the perfect balance between competitive and casual.

You can't talk about scout and not bring up the codex build :) So much fun was had with that. I once even challenged myself to climb to 1700 MMR with that build, which I did managed to do.

It failed because S2 was completely stupid and kept fracturing their playerbase by selling the game regionally to shitty third party companies. I completely lost my account because the colombian company who got the rights to distribute the game in latin america completely fucked up their database, not only that I was cut off from my friends from all over the world, that was so stupid.

@@vladdx lol won because of the anime design "waifus" that attracted all kinds of otakus, simps and kpop girls, that was the "plus factor" of the game, meanwhile HON Although better had horrible characters full of monsters and shit

When LoL released there were barely any waifu,you can see footage from then here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3_f005s7E_U.html That not the reason it won, games with "waifus" do not get tens of millions of players without other stuff like great gameplay mechanics

It was marketed as American Dota in my country 🙃

What was your ign?

@@jellevanderlinden6120 dutch pls

@@jellevanderlinden6120 Starz0rz, on the later end was my prime

Maybe Check out SavageXR :)

once you start down the dark path.....forever will you be a edgelord HA!

Monkey King was a lot of fun. Wish LOL or DOTA2 had a similar hero

I remember Monkey King. I always died to that thing when i was caught in its combos

@@oliveylevehe was very broken

@@MrPrajitura Honestly I cant remember him being that broken, he was a carry class and was suppose to be on the level of other carries, which he was. There was no hysteria at its release and I cant remember him being over played or that popular either. Remember him being one of less popular carries. Personally I'd pick soul stealer, Puppet master over him anyday. Also other carries like Chronos would completely piss on Monkey king with his ulti, port and time rewind

Me either

LoL toxcitiy is all about spamming pings and quickchats to get around bans. Dota spamming paid voice lines. HoN had 0 moderation and you got everything a raging 13 year old could throw at you in every game.

Yeah "fostering a community" is a meme, everyone hates eachother, but since you get punished for flaming, people are just passive aggressive or soft int, it's just a cope, there is no community and even if there is one, no1 cares about it, there's iust a playerbase and a shitty company (riot)

HoN was ahead in the MOBA genre when it first started, The stuff you could do there with creativity was amazing and people were playing with how uphill fog jukes works there even before Dota 2 found out about it in Roshan pit. Dota 2 is champion now though and going back to HoN and see how outdated it is just blegh.

@@cattysplat nah toxicity is giving up not saying anything offensive and running it down. At this point most players understand chat will get you banned and most people leave it censored. I'd much rather be able to mute the "ist" and let him rage into the void. Now they control the outcome of the game with little chance of getting banned

I love LoL and still play it since 2011, but miss the old days of freedom and super toxicity, like from 2009-2012-2013. When LoL had a global chat that appeared in the post-game/scorecard. Me and my real life friends would always flame our random teammates if we lost or flame our enemies. We would stay in the post-game chat insulting each other for minutes! It was so much fun! You don't see that kind of freedom of speech anymore on any game. Games want to protect their players from toxicity nowadays. It's thanks to kids getting offended saying that they will quit the game due to toxicity, that we lost the awesome post-game & global chats in games :/ Even Clash of Clans, a mobile game, had its own global chat, which sadly got removed too.

I agree to all ur points. I remember back then that i was consistently buying "toilet paper" first not the actual components (with stats) to build items. Took me a while before a friend of mine points out that "toilet paper" (blueprints[?]) didn't do anything, and u buy those last.

Dawngate closes :')

Loved that game. Hate that EA did it dirty like that

I agree, i enjoyed the games and memories i had just as much as the announcers were in that game. Every game made it feel unique bc of the different announcers which i wish LoL or other MOBAs did. I'd pay money to hear that gay-sounding announcer saying "FABULOUUUUUUUUUUUS!" again.

"Cherry popper!"

TO be fair, when you were quitting out of bot matches you had no business actually playing the game.

Lol gives you leaver penalty in bot games as well.

I rememeber playing on a really shit PC that constantly crashing. Meaning that I got A LOT of leaver penalties by accident D:

When I first saw League of Legends I said "It looks like Warcraft 3."

I saw a pair of very well documented videos on the subject, don't remember on which channel tought. Maybe DennisTheTall. Search "the history of DotA" or similar on youtube. And remember, Pendragon is a damn traitor :p

@@Biouke TZJinzo/Jinzo had those kinda vids. Also, fuck pendragon.

@@Biouke Don't forget, Pendragon tried to kill Dota...twice.

When I was your age, Earth was Newearth

I played Strife and until I watched this video I literally forgot it existed. Literally unironically just blanked from my mind, like a dream.

I played Strife, the only thing memorable about it was vision relics, where there were relics on the map that gave your team vision around the area of the relic your team captured. I forgot about this until I looked up Strife recently, but the game also had pets that fought alongside you. As someone who played league, I gave Strife a shot because I needed a break from League and the concepts at that time were unique for a Moba. The first couple of games were fun but the concepts got old fast and at a certain point I just forgot to keep playing it. Other than those concepts nothing else really made it stand out from League and Dota 2.

How bout Cthulhuphant tho 😂😂

@@sudonim7367 Cthuluphant was super fun to play. Hell, all of the original heroes were really good, I really loved pandamonium, moraxus and even rhapsody even though she was quite of character. Oh man, I just remembered Oogie (I think that was the name, the melee inteligence hero who had a really great soundtrack)

I kinda doubt that. Riot remained very long the moba only company, and Something like a dota 1 succesor would have been, probably, only that. My guess, atleast

One of the lead devs, Maliken, was notoriously toxic in game and in forums. He would routinely berate players for not playing good and even used slurs. It was so bad the company had to do damage control and nuke forum topics lmaoo The game was that toxic, they didnt even try

@@sudonim7367 again, i dont think it matters , hell id argue that moderating usually causes more toxicity, i played pretty much all ''mobas'' (i would use the ass******* genre name but it probably would get me banned) and none of them were more toxic than HotS and overwatch , both of which had extremely moderated communication

@@CssHDmonster Less moderation= less toxicity?? Impeccable logic, surely this is reflected by real world stats (its not)

@@sudonim7367 youre correct, works great in china and britain where 3k people are jailed for tweets

Agreed.

Dude what.

@@guywiththebottle only people who complain about gatekeeping are the ones it's meant to keep out

@@Cynidecia You were wrong since the game died.

@@guywiththebottle its actually still playable as the game isn't online only like an MMO is. There's LAN support and even community servers so you don't have to sketchily directly connect to people's IP's.

The absolutely horrible skins is what made me stop playing and switch to Dota 2.