Deathrattle Rogue Broke Something 

Pretty good anti-bot deck if you think about it, the bots won't concede and leave before all the calculations are done so others won't have to play against them lol

Dane: "Don't do this. It's a waste of everyone's time." Also Dane: "So here's how you do it..." Kidding. Love you homie! You shooting for 200k subs this year, right? That's gonna need more YT streams! 😊

bae shouldn't you be careful of posting exploits

​@@kittysplode if anything he's helping blizzard find them and patch them

​@@kittysplodeexploits? Everything is working as intended. It's not Dane's fault the Devs haven't learned from their past mistakes at all, and put no cap on the interaction.

Blizz Jailed!

Hope not. Jailed for their crimes...

Nothing good

i'm down to do it

A nuclear shroom would be seen from blizz HQ.

That would be a great way to see how many accounts blizzard is willing to permaban.

And so would be the servers​@@madmastah2503

Blizz every now and then... ANOTHER ONE DJ KHALID

They've learned nothing from sexual harassment yet so yes

Good old Exponential Elemental

Or playtesting wild

I don’t think they saw this one coming

Play Mayor Noggindonger, and you'll get your sorry.

That what a lad must do

the real question is how is this the first thing you find out about when a new set is released and how do you find about this to begin with

At what timestamp?

@@shocknawe8:50

@@noatrope thanks!

Probably not, Xyrella Hero Card will keep going long past your health total reaching zero until it resolves

He mentioned Leper Gnome didn't work in the intro, so probably not

It doesn’t, just tested

​@@zakmaniscoolIt definitely doesn't. The game still tries to calculate the rest of the deathrattles so it ends in a tie.

An effect happens in three steps in hearthstone: Before Triggers (whenever...), the effect itself, and after triggers. None of these steps trigger deathrattles, or kill things at at 0 hp. That only happens once the stack is empty, or hard coded during Tess/Yogg. (The previous part is accurate, the rest of the comment was wrong. Problem is that weapons equipping over weapons trigger the deathrattle immediately, so the stack never empties)

It would make the most sense for them to ban the new card, Shadowstone Skulker.

Change Graveyard to trigger only minion Deathrattles twice like Rivendare does.

I think a sensible solution would be to remove the saved weapon from the Skulker when its DR triggers. Makes sense wording and flavor wise, and minimal impact on normal use outside of DR triggers (and even then, most weapons don't do anything when applied twice).

​​@@locogato3488 nerfing graveyard only solves half the problem, because the same happens with the umbra

The best solution would be if shadestone Skulker returned the weapon to your hand

the reason this isn't being discussed much is because losing a deathrattle upon activating it is irrelevant on 99% of the cases since the minion is dead anyways, but I also believe it's the best solution and frankly with how many ways we have to trigger deathrattles without killing minions it's not even that confusing for new players once they realize cards that activate them exist

Easier fix - make the death rattle return the weapon to hand.

@@GameGod77 that's what I mean

And why does the weapon need to be at 1 durability?

​​@@naru3849 it doesn't need to be at 1 durability and if it misses the elemental then yes the combo doesn't start

Just barely, I think. Here's what the action queue looks like: 1) The elemental battlecry activates *before* it enters play, destroying the weapon and gaining a deathrattle. 2?) The weapon's deathrattle activates (twice, thanks to the aura). I'm not entirely sure of this, but my understanding is that this happens *before* the elemental exists as a minion, meaning that at this moment the beetle is the only available target. Beetle's deathrattle triggers (twice). 3) Elemental enters play as a deathrattle minion. Umbra sees this and activates its deathrattle. 4) Weapon replaced (twice in a row). Each weapon after the first triggers a new deathrattle. 5) Repeat 2 (twice), but this time there's a second minion in play. Basically, flip two coins; for each head, gain 6 armour, for each tail, repeat step (4). The first time step 5 occurs there's a 25% chance of gaining 12 armour and ending the loop, but the number of coinflips increases by at least two each time, so the odds of losing rapidly decreases. (It's also possible I'm wrong about summoning order - if step 2 is queued until after the elemental exists, the first two weapon deathrattles aren't wasted on the beetle and the odds of starting the loop increase to 93.75%.)

It's Graveyard that's the real issue when combined with Necrium Blade

You can also do this by playing a second blade

Easiest way to fix this is to make Graveyard only work with minion Deathrattles, like Rivendare.

I agree. Especially in games like MTG where they KNOW there are infinite combos, as they have been played and demonstrated on tabletop like you said. There has to have been someone who took that into consideration when developing the games. This is an issue in other digital card games as well and I've yet to see one address it properly. It's weird, since it's a friggin' known issue. No one wants to sit there for an hour+ watching card animations and twiddling their thumbs.

Jeah what re the odds.

The weapon's deathrattle goes off a minimum of four times. Depending on the exact sequence the events are processed, the first two might occur before the elemental is counted a minion in play, in which case there's a 25% chance that the loop will immediately fail, or after, in which case the chance of failure falls to only 6.25%.

stuff like test subject can be looked at as precedent :instead of restricting mind sear to enemy minions they straight up reworked the older obscure card

Or return back but only once a turn....

No, the Necrium Blade's deathrattle is needed to reactivate the skulker's deathrattle to create the infinite loop

@@DragonZarman That's not what I meant. The Necrium Blade creates the infinite loop yes, but if it's an exact copy then you can activate the deathrattle at will to create mana. It's not an "Infinite Mana Loop", it's just "Infinite Mana".

looks like the exact copy based on the weapon having 1 health when equipped again

Or also the weapon that obtains a dr that triggered this game. Could make for very fast otks with mines maybe

@@ZAYKONN You won't get "Infinite" mana, because you can only trigger the DR so many times (Essentially... You can use Necrium Vial twice, Shadow of Demise once, Necrium Blade and HP once and then kill it once to get full mana refresh 5 times and that's it) Even more limiting is the fact that you need Snowfall in play to get the double weapon back, so you have to do those mana refreshes within the 3 turns its active. But to answer your original question, it literally takes your current weapon as is and gives it back as is. So you could get back stacked Record Scratchers or Counterfeit Blades with a specific DR attached or buffed up Kingsbanes.

yeah it fails

I think some of the confusion comes from what the 1 drop is doing. When the 1 drop “eats” the weapon it is NOT triggering the deathrattle, umbra is the whole reason the loop can start. Because the recorded weapon can be spat back out without killing off the 1 drop and the 1 drop re-equips the necrium blade to you multiple times which breaks your necrium blade to then trigger him to re-equip necrium blade etc etc. in a loop.

nah m8 ur confused. as long as you have double deathrattle up, umbra isn't required. when you rush the 1 drop into something, it throws up two weapons, breaking one. that one weapon breaking triggers the deathrattle on the minion twice to throw up two weapons again, this time breaking two (because you still have one of the others equipped), which triggers the minion four times, causing four weapons to break, causing 8 triggers on the minion, causing 16 weapons, 32, 64, 128 and there's your infinite loop.@@imaforceanature7297

@@imaforceanature7297 Umbra is not the "Whole reason" the loop can start. Any DR activator will start the loop since a single forced trigger of the Skulker will make it spit out 2 weapons and begin the loop. So, equipping and breaking a second weapon would work. Necrium Vial would work. If you generated some of the Hunter cards that trigger a friendly DR those would work too.

Infinite loop of cards working as intended is not a bug and a tie is the proper resolution.

@@davidy22 right, the fact that it crashes server side isn't a bug 💀👀

​@@ModestMousekateer well technically it's not a bug, just an issue with the servers

They don't care about wild enough to think about these interactions

It was 19 by the time he'd had enough

@@Yewtewba You know what I mean.

He mentioned that Leper Gnome doesn't work. It doesn't matter if the opponent's health is negative, the game ends in a draw before it resolves the death.

@@Darkprosper Yeah I misheard what he said at the start. I though he said you could use any deathrattle, not just the beetle, kinda missed where he said the game will end in a tie anyway.

Battlecries I believe always go off before aura effects like Umbra's.

@@monkaWGiga So then the battlecry triggers twice, cause it should be : steal weapon -> return it with the deathrattle , the end. am i stupid?

@@nikhtzatzi No you're not stupid it's just a very odd interaction.

​@@nikhtzatzi pay closer attention to the board. hint: it's in the little thunderbolt icon above dane's hero

@@nikhtzatzi The way it works is Battlecry steals weapon > Umbra activates its deathrattle and returns it > Snowfall Graveyard makes the deathrattle trigger twice so it returns it twice > 2nd weapon overwrites the first breaking it and triggering its deathrattle (Twice because Graveyard) > Triggers deathrattle on minion giving 4 weapons back > 2nd/3rd/4th weapon overwrites the previous one breaking it and triggering its deathrattle > Repeat loop infinitely. The main confusion will come because when the minion's deathrattle triggers and it gives the weapon back, it doesn't lose its deathrattle/stolen weapon. So it can infinitely give back the stolen weapon.

Since you only need the weapon, graveyard and the skulker. The skulker pops trading into a minion, but since he had another one the weapon deathrattle only has the one minion to trigger and that just loops indefinitely.

@@FarAway959 ah, graveyard :)

Cold Rise

It's exponential

There is a chance with two DR minions on the board that the first couple of triggers might miss the elemental and hit the other, but once the loop starts, it's essentially guaranteed to hit the elemental at least once, which is all it takes to go "infinite."