DEBATE: Ben Shapiro & Blaire White 

*Waifu+Husbando*

For what reason??

Callum McKenzie She's not an SJW

Callum McKenzie Because apparently it isn’t advertising-friendly to have a saying in something

Blaire White I loved that you two had an open discussion and this is how more people should be doing things.

Ben destroys trans woman through civility hahaha I love it. These conversations expand my mind

Why do you have to make this sound like a competition? Teach true principles and let others govern themselves! Our free Country can learn a lot from great people as these two!

@@PaulHowardNetwork r/whoosh

@@DatlTAE ikr

@MultiTarded troll

Probably because they said "sex" lmao

RU-vid probably flagged it simply because it mentioned Ben Shapiro.

Cuz their not screaming and interrupting each other, and she's not demonizing Ben for no reason.

Metalbear 81 it’s probably because RU-vid has pages of words that you can’t say or use to many times on their platform or else you get demonetized lol.

@@queendeshanira6096 didnt know that thanx

If someone where to express romantic interest in her I would be very clear that she is trans. If I were describing her to a waitress to seat her at my table when she arrived I would just label her as female because she looks like a female and if I said trans or male they would probably be confused and not associate her with those descriptions. Most trans people I have seen look trans. She really pulls it off flawlessly. The pronouns need to make sense. I’m not just going to go along with peoples delusions just so they feel good about themselves. That’s Essentially lying to them. However Blaire has very successfully transitioned and unless it was a medical person or someone who expressed romantic or sexual interest I her I would say trans because they need to know that biologically to date her or treat her medically it’s important under those circumstances that they understand she is a biological male that transitioned.

If a trans person is mid-transition and either doesn't look like the gender they want, or look ambiguous, they need to accept that they will often be misgendered. If someone can pass without anyone realizing they're trans, then I think they've (for lack of better term)"earned" the pronoun.

🤣🤣🤣

Most Trans-folks think they're Gorgeous! 🤳 However Nature's Brutal Reality Doesn't Agree 😱

100% I feel like Ben’s stance with insisting on calling Blair a man is deliberately being awkward u see a woman it’s easier to say she insisting on not is just making it harder for urself.

Same here & I agree 💯

You both debated so well, love you and you killed it!

OMG so agree huge follower of Ben but I absolutely love Blair’s, she makes sense with everything she says!

It’s probably more common than you’d think. We just see all the extremists. Gender has nothing to do with personality.

Same here! ✋

This is called a civil debate, welcome to the educated few.

Yeah. They don't have opposite views... or different views on the matter

ikr

This is how a debate should work

@@SimonKanner-si3it riiiiiiiiight

It must be terrible where you live if such thing is so rare

salvador r the US?

@@BannedAide oh what a shock

salvador r lol right? People can’t just talk about politics without their being some sort of conflict. It’s refreshing to see a conversation like this be civil and understanding.

Yeah, he doesn't want her to have rights, but hey he at least laughs when he is arguing for persecuting a group of people because of their prefered pronoun

Yeah, this is an issue of passing…which is very sensitive for everyone.

@@robynology101 I can't pass as a Fabio... Because I look like a Homer Simpson... should I be sensitive about that and demand that the ladies treat me like Fabio?

@@gatocles99 No. And that's my entire point. Thank you.

@@robynology101 It's Ma'am!

@@gatocles99 Ok, sir.

No, you are a woman. Being a man is not a custom which you can pick wear. It is a biological fact. Every cell in you is male and it won't change after any genital mutilatiom.

@@Draco19970125 is he a man or woman? make your mind up lmao

Shut up

@@wybiefletcher6739 what you mean

you are so right she really is representing you properly! what some other people do works opposite- increase transphobia. she is great person.

Don't forget "Thug" :-)

*SJWs REKT IN CRINGE COMPILATION!*

or a mispelling

You spelled “misspelling” wrong

Spoon Speaks Ha! Irony taught!

Didn't feel like a debate. They're just 'friends comparing notes'. "Hey what do you got there? Ooo I got it a bit different. Ah ok, that's cool too."

I love this because often one person from a group will blow it out of context and make everyone in the group look bad but this was just to people talking about what they agree and trying to understand the other side.

BOBBY LOVE - I truly think it's because neither have far right or leftist views. Blaire was respectful of him and understood the facts and the truth of his views and Ben was just objectively speaking the facts and the truth as he always does. Far right or leftist just like any extremists with any views can't accept a different view other than their own. I agree with Dr. Jordan Peterson on his stance on compelled speech. My sister is considering going through a transition and I love her to death and have her back 100% and have no problems with what she chooses for herself. All I want is for her to examine all the risks and all the facts before she makes a decision that important. I won't however be compelled or forced to suspend reality, truth or facts and betray myself for the sake of someone's feelings or arbitrary demands. If I am asked politely to accommodate someone, I would seriously consider it because I was respectfully asked. As long as I am free to choose, I'd be more open and willing to do so. This video and these types of conversations could mend many fences and build bridges of understanding between those with opposing views. But if you're an extremist or any kind of "ist-ist" than there is no way but their way and no view but their view and nobody gets anywhere with that kind of attitude or ideology. RU-vid is showing and proving my point by showing that they have extremist views on the topic by demonetizing this video and not allowing any exchange of ideas even if it is respectful. Respect and open mindedness is the core root to a civil compromise between all sides of the spectrum. Platforms like RU-vid, Google and Fakebook don't want views opposing their puppet master's which makes their far leftist views and agenda very transparent and disturbing with their censorship of free speech and expression.

Right it was more like an civil, inteligent conversation!

BOBBY LOVE Ben is pretty civil with Sam Harris and a lot of atheist stuff too.

That’s what a debate is, but I understand what you meant

Isn’t that a definition of a debate?

@@Kiwipeanutlove I think they meant an effective debate versus what we usually see

It wasn’t a debate. It was disrespect coming from Ben and Blaire put up with it.

As it usually goes between sound men.

Well Ben is a libertarian. Libertarians believe they can disagree with people's lifestyles or actions and still agree with their freedom to do so as long as they don't create victims.

Yes!!

@@alexschneider8494 And is that bad…?

@@TheMaan2008 I'm a libertarian myself. When did I say it was bad or even allude to it?

@@alexschneider8494 Sorry 😅, I thought you were against him. Haha. That is why!

Did you see how Candace Owens was towards Blaire?

@@chrishansen9731 why don't you have a seat

Kid Anarchy i laughed

Yes

@@dipper9496 Actually I'd like you to have a seat over there please.

Absolutely, it's like you actually want to understand when you listen to Blaire

@@haljordan1682 facts

right,but i think she's one in a million

If the trans community would carry themselves like Blaire they would receive so much more acceptance, respect, and understanding. Stop being loud and demanding, work on and love yourselves, respect others views

The thing is most of them aren’t like Blaire and want to act like what they think they are is an achievement.

No, it's a discussion between one total idiot and one smart but very evil man.

shut up Tim 😂 hatin ass

@@timmoser2876 she is smart. And they agreed with the same things.

@@timmoser2876 and why is he so evil

@@timmoser2876 how is she a bigot? Lpl

You just called yourself a woman, so you did claim to be biologically female.

​@@KolchaksGhost No. She claimed to be a trans woman

agreed. Ben's argument is a little silly when it comes to practical application. if he called Blaire "he," people would be confused. it's not a "being nice" thing to use she/her, it just makes sense. so he'd rather know that someone is trans and then deliberately call them their biological sex? that just doesn't seem reasonable to me.

@@jdmangrich yes, which is claiming to be a woman. Referring to him as “she” is doing the same thing

@@BelieveMontana I wouldn’t be confused, because Robert is a man. If people were fooled by his costume, then maybe they’d be confused, but it would still be correct to refer to him as a man, because that’s what he is. There’s nothing unreasonable about that

You don't understand though... She was trying to combat the "deep web"...

twbmagic it was mainly each other agreeing with the same points but it was really a milestone for Blaire

That's because blaire is right wing, she's used to being discriminated against and taking it.

twbmagic It’s so nice *sigh* (๑･̑◡･̑๑) I wish more convos were like this.

I'd hate be apart of your conversations.

You have never seen him debate then, he only interrupts if they go on too long

@@delightfullyjoyfulmiracl3255 In debates where there is a bit more hostility I see him interrupt a lot. That's not a criticism btw. It happens because he's often interrupted himself, and like you said if they're talking for too long.

Authentic Animations once they've got their point through than they no longer need to do it, they just get completely obliterated by FACTS & LOGIC

This wasn't a DEBATE, it was a discussion, she clicked baited.

Because they have the same exact opinion. It's not a debate if you have the same opinion. She is a conservative person.

She talked to two conservatives and then was immediately demonetized. Weird. RU-vid couldn't possibly have a political agenda, right? It's not like they ever banned a sitting president or anything.

You identified the problem; RU-vid doesn't want civility; they just want as much venom and demonization of conservatives as possible to support the super far left woke agenda. So when a prominent transsexual is willing to have an intellectually based conversation with someone who is portrayed by the super far left woke agenda as a nazi, they're very uncomfortable with it. If others follow that example, it could dramatically reduce the unnecessary tension in society these days.

The activists naritive is to destroy. The activists did not like this! I do, I watch both of you often! ❤ I was so excited to see it! Makes sense though, best conversation I've ever "witnessed". Ty let's see more!

Welcome to the civilized world. Rarely spotted on cable television

Also called "agree to disagree" a rare phenomenon these days, sadly.

they were mostly agreeing than disagreeing

That’s the point! They agree! That’s a discussion! Based on civilized facts and common sense.

*I DISAGREE*

@ Eric Cochrane / Completely agree Eric. Unfortunately a very rare thing isn’t it?

@@joeangell5652 far too rare.

The problem with conversations like these are they don't push the agenda very well.

Not a conversation. It is a show.

@@fightthezionistsuprenazi7026 Just because it's on a show doesn't mean the conversation isn't civil.

Eyo some of us are on a good way.

I agree with what you’re saying here but I am also not part of the 🏳️‍⚧️ Community (not directly, someone I love very much is trans tho), and maybe that’s why we feel this way. I to say that Blair is the best thing to happen to a community we are not part of would be slightly ignorant, no? My girlfriend has a trans son and I’m sure that neither of them would fully agree to everything Blair has to say. She has haters. I really respect her views but I try to see all sides. But that is what makes Blair White so awesome! She tries to get people from all sides to talk to. Unfortunately there are a bunch of people that see these Great conversations as attacks.

Most of us are sensible . A tiny minority are just degenerate

A lot of us do share Blaires views We don’t all get triggered 😂

If the the community had more Blairs and less like Dylan Mulvaney then we would not be in this mess to begin with

Ben Walters 😂😂😂 actually really funny

Heheh 😆

Lmao

It took me a second but I accidentally blurted out laughing when I noticed the channel name and figured it out

That's hilarious😂

Yeah basically 2 people

Is she republican, I can't see her as a dem.

@@macgyverc6157 yes she is

Exactly. Blaire is a woman. She's not pretending to be one. Dylan, on the other hand, is making a whole mockery of us and it's sickening.

​@@tropicalsundaeBlaire is a transwoman not a woman. Even Blaire herself will tell you that. She respects the differences and doesn't live in fantasy land. I 100% agree on everything you said about Dylan

She is a woman she is a transwoman but she is not a biological woman both are women and we all know there are differences but she is a woman just not a biological woman. Thats just my point of view dont lynch me please.@@phoenixforce6595

Dylan is repulsive.

@@phoenixforce6595Yes! I just watched a video the other day when she can’t relate to womanhood but only calls herself trans woman.

But he's not "kind". That's what he was showing.

@@dat2rahow so?

Both of them have valid points. I respect both Ben and Blaire's opinions, although I personally agree more with Blaire.

because he buries any kindness under his bigotry and we aren't interested in playing devil's advocate

ME WHEN I WANT HIS VALIDATION💀

That's because Ben is the King of Cool

Aina, hmmm true good point

And vice versa! This is a good moment!!

This is a very civil debate between two reasonable men.

Hahaha I'm surprised no one's gone after you yet, Nutty

Nutty Berries Lol 😂😂😂

To me, it’s not about politics, it’s about being a reasonable, human being

Boaz Johnson - Ben Shapiro satisfaction here is not the result of him speaking to a "rational" person, but to someone who agrees with his view. But honestly, Ben seems to get his greatest satisfaction when getting the upper hand in a debate with someone who opposes his belief.

Perfectly said

I agree, I think the worst pronouns are they/them... those words literally mean more than one person or referring to someone in the third person plural term

Exactly. Similarly for me, I have 2 younger siblings who are biologically my half-siblings because they have a different father than I do. But my mom married their father when I was only 4 and I never knew my biological father, so my earliest memories of any father are of him and I always called him dad and bonded with him as though he was my biological father. And likewise I bonded with and lived life with my younger siblings from their birth on into all of our adulthood as though we are full siblings even though we all know we are half-siblings. That objective truth however does not manifest in our realities or relationships, though. And if it comes up with acquaintances that we have different biological fathers and they refer to us as "half-siblings" we all are quick to acknowledge the technical truth of that but that we refer to each other (and truly see each other in a practical sense) as full siblings. And of course no one has ever insisted on continuing to call us half-siblings whenever they refer to us because that would be pedantic, rude, and unnecessary. I understand why Ben feels the need to stick quite strictly to his refusal to refer to a trans person by their transitioned gender expression in any public forum, but I believe he and most reasonable everyday people wouldn't have much of a problem called a person who overtly and consistently for all practical intents and purposes presented as a different gender by those pronouns in day to day life.

Thats exactly what a debate is supposed to be. Whats commonplace today is far from a real debate.

Typically debates are held by those with wider and more opposing views points, but this was a good clarifying conversation by both, yes

@@ChaoticNeutralMatt The overall point was to make it known, That when you're civil and Decent in any conversation. It goes better. And sometimes morphs from being something on the edge of harsh words, to a civil dialogue that encourages growth for both parties. Something we desperately need more of across the board. I know you see how most other Debates go regardless of topic.

I understand why you might say this but I still think we should call it a debate. A debate is simply a discussion in which parties put forward differing points of view. They certainly agreed on a lot but are still talking from different world views and putting forward different perspectives. The fact that it was a civil discussion does not stop it from being a debate.

@@teenagesatanworship I think you misunderstood the point of me highlighting that bit of facts about the nature of this conversation/debate. The point was to highlight how "Normal" debates go versus what we see here. Not a redefining of the word.

Blaire is dumb as a door nail wtf are you talking about?

Malachi Owens Elaborate that statement if you're able to share your wisdom

It was not really a debate. It was a discussion.

True, this is why I'm happy about debates like the one with Laci Green & Sargon at Mythcon. While not all go well, it's good to at least see some discussion on disagreements rather than passive aggressive videos.

cheesesucksass Exactly! So glad these two came together!

She is where she is because she’s privileged and rich enough to make it happen, a lot of people suffering from gender dysphoria aren’t as privileged as she/he is and can’t have the treatment/surgeries that make them as passable as Blaire, yet Blaire thinks it’s okay to rip on them and tell them they’re not trans? That’s my problem with him/her.

@@blindfollower atleast make an effort.. If you don't have money for transition, atleast shave the beard off. Shaving set is not that expensive you know.

​@@blindfollower what is this privilege that you're talking about? she made it clear on her video from half a year back titled, (Reacting to tiktokers who REALLY HATE ME) that she was raised in family on drugs basically had to support and work for herself and her own transition surgery and to work til this day. the only people (that i know of) she excludes of being trans are minors from my understanding.

@IDEK Blaire is a biological man just as the rest of the tran-speople she attacks are. it concerns me just as much as it concerns you.

@@blindfollower Bro, actually watch her vids. She came from near-poverty, and had a pretty shitty upbringing. She's not privileged - she earned the pennies needed to transition.

I y a n a because they were listening to each other witch and Blair is to blame a little on this as well. The Onision one was just attacking the otjer person

If by debate, you mean an unmoderated shouting match, yes, I agree.

I y a n a But not nearly as hilarious lol.

Ben is smart while onision is manipulative

A guy who wrote two books by age 20 and had a law degree in his early twenties versus..... Onisioin... hmmm

MrM Rus: I didn't realize Blair was born a man until today. The few times I have watched you channel it never occurred to me that she was anything other than a very attractive woman with a reasonable point of view. Frankly it is not my business that she has or has not done privately, I am just happy to listen and evaluate the content of the discussion. I will address people as I see them.

problems the zee, zir,ze,zit and whatnot.not the he and she

@@kazzana9013 Bruh you can see the Adam's apple lmao

Klai u literally can’t???

Grammy Norma yeah

haha

100% agree

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-02FCYz8bOo8.html You might want to look at the two recent Rationality Rules videos. This one has a lot of accurate science summations after he made an initial video not understanding the entire body of science regarding transgender men specifically. I would be curious to hear if you make the same claim you did after seeing what the totality of the body of science says. The original study published in academia and which people how make claims that you just did usually cite as research did not pass the peer review test and has been discredited as having an agenda and not being an accurate representation.

Ben does understand that. What trans apologists don't understand is that they have become the very thing they fight against by implying that someone's life should be destroyed because they didn't use the correct pronouns via slip of tongue, or because biology and science dictate the outcome of a person's make up. Anyone can use any reason to discriminate and Trans discriminate against cis people with authoritarianism. Just because some dip shits who incorrectly discriminate against trans or anyone doesn't mean that now everyone is guilty until proven innocent. No one should discriminate against anyone period. We should all be treated the same.

yes exactlh

Verbal assault, oh no! Lmao, God forbid people make fun of you, what is this world coming too? Suck it up butter cup, this is the real world, quit your bitching and whining!!

I absolutely live for the amount of respect and admiration on both sides of this debate

Hahaha fr

Same

Ben is not who "they" told you he is.

@@ryantiller5624 I'm honestly finding that out now watching him in a few interviews, because I don't keep up with American politics closely enough to have actually heard him speaking publicly. The way leftist media has completely demonized him is impressive.

King of Pop I didn't know that you were still alive

its a him , but yes he is civil and deserves respect as a human being

You should look up bailey jay on the approval matrix or amy schumer or jim norton's vice show.

HEY! I was just coming down to say she looks like micheal Jackson with that lighting and makup

amy schumer is a freaking idiot

I mean not rlly... have you watched the news recently? Lmao

phanbandtrash yet again , social media everybody acts mad bold , no shocker . In real life in a face to face convo people don’t act as crazy . So being civil is normal and should be normal

Sky He i never said it shouldn’t be normal, it’s just that out of control arguments and lack of understanding are what’s generally seen on the media and in a lot of people

phanbandtrash it’s not what I see . The people I follow are people like Blaire that don’t act that way , there are many people like Blaire and Ben you choose what type of people you support and surround yourself with and don’t follow the bs

Sky He i never said I did follow these people lmao I just said I saw it. Also Ben loves to act/say a lot of reactionary dumb things too so I don’t rlly think he’s an exemplary person to pick out. He was calm in this conversation but he’s definitely done and said a lot of ignorant things.

Indeed

He.

@@SuperHunKing If you see her at a random stop anywhere, you'd assume she was a "she" and move on. Stop trying to be special...

HONNESTLY!

I agree, I saw the debate on the Rubin show, when she had the debate with Candace Owen's, and Candace said, you're a grown man, and Blaire seemed so un-phased and didn't care. Blaire has a level head.

Acheron Parthenopaeus CALL ME BY MY PRONOUNS THEY/THEM/ZE/ZER/PAPAYA/AUTISTIC!!! (kidding I completely agree with you c:)

I probably would be willing to call someone a made up pronoun, because who cares, but don't expect me to always do so. Also keep them short.

I have used this line many times where I work. "I dont care what you want to be called, male or female...pick one and stick to it" Not one of them looked like Blair White, but all wanted to be called female...what a world.

Until that Duck pulls it's pants down and you find out it's a man baby yea!

Agreed. I think most logical people would agree.

J E R E M I A H because of what she has done to herself mate, no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate

@@prankish5140 sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself

@@thefaeriemerchant5826 "...no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate....". That's okay for those reality deniers who are fine with that. But what about those who are not ? Why not describe him for what he actually is....a highly effeminate homosexual who has a "boyfriend" ?

@@jeremiah1269 "...sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself...". lol !

But she isn't a cow .

@XDranzer000 some of namjoon biased ppl are reasonable like that lol

Indeed, he is in his safe space where he knows he is not going to be confronted with facts and logic and is not threatened and therefore doesn't have to pretend to be smart. He can be his actual self, confidently dumb.

@Boop I thought the same 🤣

@@andrewmaderer1989 so...how is he dumb? show an example where someone he is debating actually beat him with facts and logic

@@walkingdead3097 fr tho, lol

Xhesi L exactly. Practicality. So, if you see someone who looks female are you going to approach said person and ask if their biologically so? No, you call her a she. If you know she's a trans woman and be a dick about it, by all means, do it. Free country till it becomes Canada lolz.

Xhesi L Blair frequently identifies herself as a trans woman. This label ensures that any relevant information that might be concealed by her behavior, dress or exterior remodeling of her meatsuit (body) are conveyed quickly and effectively. As reality has not be redefined by her just referring to herself as a woman, I have no issues respecting her preference I use female pronouns. Basically if you are an biological male and want to live as a female, don’t say you’Re a woman, that isn’t true. You want to live as a woman and be treated as one, ie be a trans woman.

​@@reverendrico5631whats your point. If a person treats a transwoman as a woman so then its a woman. Whats so confusing in this . A transwoman doesn't transition into a woman to be called he or to be treated like men. So its a woman

MultiTarded her jugs too

It's a he

Mr. Joshua She’s hot, we know

@@imlivinglikejimmorrison5562 ..that's a he. Just because you put on a pound of makeup, grow your hair out, and get a shit ton of plastic surgery, doesn't magically turn you into a woman. Blair is what you would call a " feminized man "

Mr. Joshua Yes, She’s so beautiful ❤️ inside and out ❤️😘..

EXACTLY

Facts

Is not that hard, right?

Haha, that's a little dangerous though. I and peeps above get what you mean, but that statement can rightfully offend people (I'm not only talking about transgender). I live in Canada though, so I gotta avoid being fined by trying to conform (though it's disturbing to try). Personally, I will always disagree though. I personally see transgender males and females as either feminine males or masculine females.

Looks can be deceiving. Nor will I deceive myself and other people by calling a man a woman and a woman a man because they dont want to be what they are from Birth.

Exactly the same feeling here - i agree with both of their ideas in this conversation

yes !! precisely !! but this was a lovely conversation

Conservative Woman - My thoughts exactly.

Conservative Woman same!!

Same

I'll call him Blake white

He's too bored, he's fighting so hard not to fall asleep.

KOJAK BRADDY Why would you call Ben that?

@@mpiugdtyhgffijfcxp3613 not Ben , Blair ,. Since Blair is really a man ,

KOJAK BRADDY no she’s not

This didn't even seem like a debate

You mean he 👀

Same with ben

Charles Jefferson nope she

True He is male But truefully I forget sometimes because he looks like a real female.

Technically, she's not debating (your truth against mine) she's having a dialog (your truth plus mine)

@@MateoKupstysChica yeah but your truth + mine is still a good way to change someone's mind about the smaller things. Like him calling her a woman she/her after initially being clear he'd only refer to Blair or people like her by their name or their chosen pronouns yknow. He still changed in that area

As most people would. He's stating that there is a difference between adopted and biological. You're not any less their kid for that nor are they any less of a parent, it's just a fact that they didn't create you from their own DNA.

Well that's another issue for debate I'm adopted and the people who adopted me became abusive and neglectful the split second I showed signs of being lgbt, so no I'd never refer to them as anything but adoptive, is never accept their kind as family

@@FrancineL81 yeah I think it's different in that sense. If you choose to call the adoptive, your choice, but you want to just call them your parents there is no harm.

@@FrancineL81 im sorry I hope you got away from them without too much pain

@@mysmirandam.6618 thanks. got a few permanent emotional scars but havent seen them in about 20 years so mostly moved on

Oh, I'd like to add one thing: The fact that transgenderism is a medical diagnosis is in a way, to me, a biological basis for referring to them as the gender they identify with. It's not something they just made up for fun, it's something in their actual biology making them that way.

"Even if a trans person doesn't "pass" as well as Blaire does, there really is no real-life advantage to referring to them as their biological sex" Yeah but what advantage is there to referring them to their preferred pronoun? Somehow someone is worse for not wanting to do something that is unnecessary. If I don't have to refer to them as their pronoun than why should I?

IF we are talking about real Trans people. Sadly a lot of LGBT militants are taking it to the extreme, and anyone can claim to be trans.

The God you never knew The advantage is that it is their preferred pronoun, and it is a respectful, decent thing to refer to someone as they prefer, rather than for you to refer to someone as you prefer just because you don't like it

DID YOU JUST ASSUMED MY GENDER?

I agree although I'm one that thinks we have corrupted the meaning of the word "respect". I will be courteous to anyone on initial contact not because I respect them but out of self respect. My behaviour reflects who I am and I respect myself too much to treat others without showing them the courtesy they deserve and behaving as a mature adult should. To receive my respect, they must earn it, through their behaviour and the integrity of their character. I can even be courteous to someone that I have no respect for. As an example....I worked as a bartender for years. Every customer was afforded courteous service and deference. That does not mean I respect them. I respect the way they conducted the dialogue and that goes a long way to earning my respect for them as human beings. I don't want to appear to be nitpicking but it bothers me when someone expects respect when I know nothing about them. However, I wholeheartedly support the basic sentiments that you're trying to express in your comment.

he wouldnt even call her she, lol

michael young I’m the same as you thank you 🙏. I’ve always wondered why it’s so difficult

EXACTLY.

I totally argee. It makes no sense to me to be rude to some oneelse. I have been misgendered many many times. I have never gotten all pissy about it. Meh.. whatever.. Btw I am a biological male, with long blonde hair and do have pierced ears, slightly feminine features. Still don't care, no reason to be rude when someone has made a mistake, and also no reason to be rude and not call a she a she and a he a he.

I personally think words a lot of power, ans after being repeated something over and over, it is ingrained into someome's mind. From there it would be very easy for one to forget that fundementally they are truly what they used to be and involve themselves in a situation which would cause trouble. For example a trans women is stronger than a biological women and if the trans woman hits the bio woman out of a sudden anger, that could be the end of someone.

@nooope __, If you looked like a woman, I would call you a woman.. If you looked like a man, I would call you a man.. If you looked like a woman but I found out you were a man, I would call you a man so not to cause confusion in my head.. No hate

Ikr

Ben Shapiro might be a pretty shite person but this conversation is pretty nice, you don’t see it often

virixero that’s because he’s not. Shit person he’s a nice guy who has strong opinions that are misrepresented by the media.

I don't really agree with Ben,he is sometimes right and other times,he is but I just don't agree. But I'm glad he can be somewhat respectful [Some way not agree with the fact he's "respectful" so I add that somewhat.]

Kai. ixl He’s hardly ever disrespectful. He only gets that way when he’s consistently interrupted, or is disrespected by the person he’s debating.

Its kind of sad that non binary people have ruined the trans cause which makes people like Ben have to stay rigid in his use of pronouns to fight against the f*ckery of a million gender pronouns these people want to compel us to say. Blair looks like a woman and she transitioned to blend into society so that world would automatically perceive her as female. And if she wasn't a youtuber she would always be referred to as female since she looks like one. I agree with Ben on his stance but I still feel bad for Blair when he said he would refer to her as a he if he were to write an article.

>she

HE

The militant transsexual movement chooses the wrong battles, pronouns being a major example. What we should be doing is promoting tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of transsexuals. By nit picking over pronouns, it makes people feel like they're walking on eggshells; like they've lives will be ruined if they say one wrong word. That's extremely counter productive. And I don't think that most transsexuals care that much about pronouns; I think that's fueled by white liberals who exploit transsexuals and other designated victim groups for political gain.

Exactly!!

He

I would also say she.

@@AnaGarcia-ri2jt can she get pregnant

@@aidengraves5594 so if a female can't get pregnant for whatever reason should be considered a he? That's pretty much you just said.

@@LonelyWolfe42 No... She was literally born a male that makes her a male

Blaire is known for watering down activist rage to be more palatable to a conservative audience. It's much easier for people to accept a beautiful white woman who goes out of her way to tolerate transphobia than a poor, trans person who doesn't pass very well and doesn't care if you get triggered when they actually devote their time to talking about issues facing the trans community.

entertain7us14 Of course you find a way to spin it, you garbage can.

... that's called a 'different perspective', mate.

entertain7us14 I don't think she showing toleration for transphobia. I think she is showing that just because I might not be willing to say exactly what you want me to say when I don't believe it, is acceptable. She seemed very okay with idea that trans women and bio women are not the same and understands Ben's view on it. I believe it boils down to being able to accept that your way of thinking isn't the only way and just be someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's a sort of phobia.

Ok that's totally fair, but I've always had a problem with the "agree to disagree" point when the thing you're disagreeing with is whether or not a particular group of people should have their experiences acknowledged and validated by society. When one person says "I believe trans people exist and are valid and we should call them whatever they ask to be called" and the other person says "I disagree", you're not having a polite disagreement over a trivial matter of opinion, you're having an existential conflict over whether or not to treat an entire group of people as equals. I don't accept the view that someone as smart as Ben who has access to all the information he wants (ie he cant use ignorance as an excuse for his bigotry) holds an opinion that is just as valid and 'harmless' as that of an actual trans person or trans ally/activist. People like Ben devalidate trans people's experiences, call them delusional, insinuate that they don't even exist. That's not really an inconsequential viewpoint - it's extremely harmful and feeds in to a society that is already extremely hostile to trans people and their identities. I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with people who give bigoted, hateful, ignorant viewpoints and EQUAL seat at the table. I don't like those viewpoints to be normalised. Having a trans person debate a transphobe is inherently suggesting that both viewpoints are valid and up for debate. Obviously that doesn't have to happen when it's a balanced debate where he's called out for his bullshit, but when you 'agree to disagree' you're sending an extremely harmful message that transphobia, while you may disagree with it, is still an acceptable perspective and there's a protected place for it in public discourse.

Agreed, I'm a Christian conservative as well and a fan of both Blaire and Ben. It's nice to have conservatives from all walks of life and these two embody the beauty of dialogue and discourse.

@Chuck Basher Yeah, she's right leaning/conservative/libertarian which is an anomaly in the LGBTQ community!

Bryant E Yes and no. Being empathetic to opposing arguments doesn’t make you necessarily conservative nor liberal. She primarily criticizes trans issues, but that’s coming from someone who’s IN that community, and generally left-leaning because of it (maybe not, but she hasn’t really discussed social issues outside of the LGBT community so we can’t be sure). However, her political leanings aren’t even that important. I think what IS important is that Christians and more conservative types like OP and those who fall under a more liberal slant like myself can open up a productive discussion about a sensitive topic. Empathy is the first key to progress.

@@devinodriscoll I agree, being empathetic to discussion and discourse are supremely important- especially in this day and age when the far left has taken control of the narrative on various issues. Blaire and Ben have demonstrated this well, and they are a good example of the kinds of people who appreciate civil discourse. As many have said, one of the main differences between liberals (in the classical sense) and leftists is that liberals tend to welcome these discussions, whereas leftists tend to discourage it!

Same!

what did they disagree on? lol

We have lost the art of graceful disagreement. This is especially true in politics. I enjoy listening to people that don't share my views to stress test if I'm right or need to change course.

OMG so much yes. I do the same as well. I think we should constantly be questioning and testing ourselves. I try to keep an open mind and understand others who I disagree with, even those with views that upset me. I think if we tried to understand each other there would be less hate in the world.

Read "Principles" by Ray Dalio. He provides a guide on how to get really good at graceful disagreement.

That's because men are logical, if Blaire was a woman it would have been different

Pickle Rick luckily those dumb trends died quicly

that's not a "made up pronoun", it's gramatically correct to use it.

Louise Belcher I think it's clunky to use "they" but at least it fits into normal language better "ze" or any other variation. I know a non-binary person and it is pretty easy to use "they".

Being called “ze” was literally the most extra thing conservatives pushed this type of pronoun agenda to hurt trans people

i agree

yeah but I really like how even though he wouldn’t generally call a trans person by their preferred pronouns he understands that it’s not nice to keep on referring to them as their biological gender because that might upset them and pays special attention to just call them by their preferred name. If everyone who had the same belief Ben did on this issue and approached things the same way he does it really wouldn’t be an issue

honestly,I agree. If there’s a trans woman who hasn’t gone through surgery or started any hormones and you call her by he/him pronouns but then she’ll correct you and you start using she/her pronouns. The problem is when regardless of what ppl have been told, they continue to use he/him pronouns because they simply don’t care.

and bc they haven’t transitioned you would not know that they go by other pronouns. it’s fine to correct someone about your pronouns but you shouldn’t be rude about it ✌️

If your brain instinctively comes up with a pronoun, use it, that's my rule. Like for Blaire, nobody would call her a "he" and with most of the people who appear in her channel, it's all "he".

Daena Michelle yes, but they tell you those aren’t their pronouns, respect that and refer to them how they want to be referred to

She is representing them, since she is trans.

@MultiTarded Hey buddy go watch contrapoints.

@MultiTarded Interesting how some gay or slightly feminine dudes are referred as "not real men" but a post-op transwoman is aparently still a dude.

@MultiTarded ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MitqjSYtwrQ.html your welcome ☺✌

@@Rugybrat this comment is THE comment

@@Rugybrat Who refers to gay/feminine men as not being real men? I don't believe this and I'm sure the majority of sane people don't. Why is it that there are so many people on the left who are happy with grouping people that don't believe in their ideologies into a single catergory. Isn't the point to strive for connection and equality. It seems all the left want is more division between people. It's easier to demonize others rather then listening to a different opinion but it comes from people who claim to be tolerant it all seems a bit backwards to me.

I was also pleasantly surprised! This was a very good video.

It wasn’t a debate. There was just a conversation. They both share a lot of the same views. They both are pretty objective when it comes to this topic.

I don't know if they've ever met (they do live close to each other) but they are more like good acquaintances. Really the majority of conservatives on RU-vid are.

They agreed on everything and found a common ground in the area of misunderstanding so I'm not sure what you mean🤔

*sarcastically* Yaaaaay, they're teaming up...

Wow, you're just asking to be trapped

@@joshuabach9009 are you just going through every comments and replying with basic transphobic statements?

Diamond Dukes facts bruh, transphobic got nun to do but to hate

I didn’t know for a couple of videos too. In 2020 there are still trans-activisits online making videos, tweets, tiktoks etc saying Blaire shouldn’t make content about trans issues because she is a cisgender woman.

I am a woman and I wouldnt have known from first look. If I studied her, mayb..but she looks pretty much like a she.

Let's bring Candace (red pill black) on, and we'll fix that civility and lack of shouting for you!

Wahlez ! SLAP MY ASS AND CALL ME GRANDAD!!!

Gracie Beauregard not again!

+Wahlez: Isn't it sad? That the norm has become shouting matches and shitshows and insults? That we are *IN SHOCK* when we see discussions that go the way discussion is supposed to go. We are living in upside down land.

I know man, it's the third time this week