the mini debate about hazard made me feel like you guys should do a video about who you guys think wouldve won the ballon dor each year if messi and ronaldo werent there it might be a bit difficult coz of the impact they had on their teams winning and how much the other possible winners of this hypothetical situation benefited from messi and ronaldo being on their team(eg would madrid have done the 3 peat without ronaldo and if not would that affect benzema's hypothetical chances of winning it in those 3 seasons).its a bit of a tricky one but whatever way you choose to look at it i think it would be an interesting topic to explore
@@hazz2620 yes he has... Neymar basically did what dinho did in terms of Flair, dribbling and pure fun to watch, but took the numbers to another lvl. Dinhos best ever season number wise is 1 g/a per game. That's what neymar averaged throughout his entire career as a whole, let alone prime. Dinho is my favorite ever player, he made me fall in love with the sport but neymar took what he did and took it up a notch
The debate between Ribery and Hazard is a lot closer than they made it seem. Ribery reignited Bayern's modern dominance. The year before he joined Bayern they finished 4th in the league, and within a couple years they made it to back to back CL finals and won the treble in 2013. The 2012-2013 season Ribery was unplayable and was the best team player in the world.
As a Chelsea fan i think Ribery is clear. Having watched Hazard in all his years for Chelsea, there were times he was magical and other times he was just lazy. Ribery was almost on par with his dribbling, better workrate defensively, better passing and crossing and far more trophies. Ribery the more effective player, Hazard for the 14 year olds who just wants entertainment.
Neymar's peak started from his last season at Barca and lasted till his 3rd season at PSG. Contrary to what most people believe, Neymar actually became a better player after joining PSG... Also during 2017-2020, Neymar was comfortably the 2nd best player in the world. In my opinion, peak Neymar vs peak Ronaldinho: Dribbling: Tie (Even though, statistically Neymar is the more prolific dribbler) Scoring: Neymar (Neymar is CLEAR) Playmaking: Ronaldinho (Neymar is world class, but Dinho was slightly better) Overall, I'd say it's almost a toss up. But I'd go with Neymar since he is more complete.
the disrespect Dinho gets from this pannel is ridiculous we're talking about a balon d'or, WC, UCL, Copa America winner. we're talking about standing ovations at the Bernabeu, iconic skills and goals. neymar hasn't achieved more than half of those things, he has bottled nearly every UCL KO match cos he wants to celebrate his sisters birthday and hasn't won a single trophy for his country. please for the love of god let's stop the disrespect on dinho's name
This sisters birthday thing is just a conspiracy atp, he just gets injured a lot. And one of the seasons where he managed to stay fit is when PSG got to the ucl final
Some top top names however Ronaldinho had it ALL. Skill, flair, right foot, left foot, header, acrobats, speed, strength, power, agility, free kicks, EVERYTHING! The most complete footballer of all time I reckon! Top show lads!
Ribery was robbed from Ballon dor in the prime time of Messi and Ronaldo while Hazard was never even in the top 5 debate in the world and he is somehow better than Ribery
Hazard was absolutely in the top 5 debate in the world but he was just never recognised by awards like the Ballon D'or because they have a very specific set of criteria. They favour trophies so whoever recently won the Champions League/Euros/World Cup etc. Especially when the domestic league was never guarenteed at Chelsea the same way it is for the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern etc. Hazard's best season numbers wise was 18/19 which is when Chelsea finished 3rd in the league meaning eventhough he had one leass goal involvement than Salah he wasnt even in the PFA team of the year (and we know how much more he does on the pitch than Salah). They won the Europa League so weren't even in the Champions League. And then the seasons where he does win trophies like the Premier League (like 16/17) his numbers weren't as good. Eventhough he played out his mind and we would never have won it without him and he scored incredible solo goals like the one against Arsenal it doesn't show up in the numbers. Basically for the Ballon D'or everything has to align - trophies and numbers. That happens at the top clubs in the league's where players score more goals. The top scorer in the Premier League rarely scores more than 30 goals so it will always go to a Laliga, Bundesliga etc player in which 30+ goals isn't that rare. And it'll always go to someone at the club that wins the Champions League etc like Real Madrid or Bayern. Hazard was top 3 in the world at points in his career.
Faysal’s comeback is the stuff of legends. From Triple F to being the ball knowledge reference on the pod. Especially when talking about the 2010 Ballon d’Or and Sneijder at the end, not many people say it these days
I like Faysal but on this episode he had some horrible takes. The recency bias and Prem bias is crazy. Neymar is a great talent but he's nowhere near Ronaldinho, let alone R9. Robben, Bale and Salah have achieved more in terms of the CL and played in much better leagues and showed up in the biggest games. Hazard isn't even close, Di Maria and Ribery are at least as good as if not better than Hazard. My order would be: Ronaldinho, Figo, Robben, Bale, Neymar, Di Maria, Ribery, Giggs, Beckham, Salah, Hazard, Mahrez, Son, Mane, Pedro, Sterling.
Sneijder didn’t deserve it I’m tired of hearing this bullshit. Individually he wasn’t even top 3 that year but his team won the treble so everyone thinks he should’ve won it. If inter didn’t win CL nobody would say Wesley’s name which was the problem with the ballon dor in previous years as it prioritized team trophies. I’m glad they changed the ballon dor criteria
@@affectiveteam6229 Prem bias, I’ll give you that, but Neymar definitely should be winning this one, and as far as Brazilians go, ofc he’s not the greatest, but out of those I saw playing… maybe. My ranking goes : Ney, Bale/Roni, Robben, Figo, Di Maria, Ribery, Salah, Hazard, Mahrez, Mane, Son, Sterling, Pedro, Giggs/Beckham
@@MM-jc7uv Litmanen was robbed by Weah in 1995, and I’m supposed to believe Sneijder should’ve beaten fucking Messi in 2010😭😭😭He was nowhere near the Top 2 for Inter or maybe even the Dutch but best player in the world apparently. Same goes for Jorginho in 2021 and Varane in 2018
I get what he is saying. He is saying Son's natural position is more through the middle than on the wing. Same way that Firmino is a more natural number 10 than a number 9.
@@Spliro Son was played as a winger, but Sharky is more natural through the middle. Gerrard played at right back early in his career, but he wasn't a right back. Thierry Henry is considered one of if not the greatest Premier League striker of all time but started playing on the wing. Gareth Bale started as a left back. Just because they get played in a certain position, that doesn't necessarily mean they are best suited to that position.
Faysal has more ball knowledge than everyone on this show combined tbh. He runs rings around them in debates, and the funny thing is they all attack him together after everything he says and the comments always agree with him 🤣
Faysalllll with the Eden prop love it. Also forgot to mention Eden's Belgium career, he carried them in Euro 2016 and WC 2018, Silver Ball in 2018 (robbed of Golden ball)
Thank you. Read this crazy stat that hazard wasn’t tackled once in the World Cup without it being. A foul. 2018 World Cup he was the best player in the tournament. I don’t get why ppl compare him to salah. Hazard is clear
You are chatting rubbish. Belgium had an awful Euros. The lost vs Italy, beat Ireland, Sweden and Hungary before getting comfortably beat by Wales. That’s despite having amazing players around him.
Can’t believe this!! Love this podcast but you can’t say Eden is better than Ronaldinho of one season and also Ronaldinho changed the game. He’s one of the goats of the game not just as a winger. Love the podcast tho guys it’ll be good if you can get one of your subscribers involved. Love to put my input.
Faysal rates Hazard way too high. He hasn’t really won the UCL. Hasn’t come close to the Ballon D’or and had been a flop at Real Madrid for a few years (these years have to count too)
They're weren't close in terms of the league which is what made them dismiss Hazard completely at that point. 18/19 was Hazard's best season in the league. 16 goals and 15 assists in 37 games vs 12 goals and 4 assists in 34 games in 17/18.
Ronaldo fans always get exposed when it comes to comparisons with other “elite goalscorer vs elite technical baller”. They always seem to pick the elite tech ballers 🤔 but claim CR7 better than Messi. And what’s jokes is that Messi got better goal scoring numbers than him (6 European golden boots and better goal:game ratio)
@@gbart2devilish570 oh yeah because Haaland has been struggling quite a bit hasn’t he. The same mighty prem that I’ve seen the likes of Mitrovic, Danny Ings, Patrick Branford , Antonio, Callum Wilson Jimenez etc get 13+ goals in the prem
@@Shanzo1 haaland is an exception… there are countless names that have come and not replicated form. Lacazette was a comfortable 25+ goal player in Ligue 1 and didn’t get over 15 in the PL once. Jimenez had one good goal scoring season, Antonio has never had over 10 goals, Callum wilson has hit 14 once, Danny Ings and Bamford have both had 1 good goal scoring season and Mitrovic has never done it in the PL until the good start to this season… Therefore all examples you said are invalid as none of them are consistent 13+ goalscorers in the PL
Robben got most motm on WC (6) with Messi and Ronaldo, 4th in ballon dor, toty, CL final motm, bronze shoe on WC 2014. and a lot more and that with being one of if not the most injured prone player of the last 20 years. underrated as hell
Beckham is really disrespected. He was robbed of the balllon d'or in 2000 when he won the treble the season before and was the best player in that united team and arguably the world
From 2009-2019 Robben only has 144 goals for Bayern Munich. For perspective Ronaldo got 100+ 3 seasons at Juve. Sometimes Messi and Ronaldo make this sport seem easier than it actually is😂
Hazard being better than Ronaldinho is a terrible shout, Dinho's peak was one of the best in football history. Neymar> Dinho>>>> Hazard. Hazard was elite and carried that Chelsea side but he's still below the 2 Brazilians.
@@aj3013 messi and ronaldo were by far the best in 2018. Messi had most goals, assists, MOTMs and so on. Ronaldo wasn't far off either and won the CL. Modric did well, won the CL and had a great wc. No matter what you put as the most important aspect, be it pure individual performance(messi), trophies and wc(modric), or a mix of the 2(ronaldo) hazard never comes out on top
Faysal honestly says the most stupidest things sometimes, Hazard’s possibly the most overrated footballer ever, man went a year without scoring a league goal but we’re meant to believe that he’d challenge neymar if Messi and Ronaldo weren’t there🤣🤣 Hazard is a tier below the likes of Gareth Bale let alone Neymar. I also don’t see what he’s got over Salah bar dribbling (Salah dribbling is still world class) and being more aesthetically pleasing, Salah’s best season is 10x than any Hazard season.
@@askedit2963 Say you never watched Dinho without saying you never watched Dinho. He was the complete package. Goalscorer, assister, playmaker, dribbler and possibly the player with the most flair in football history. He was easily the best player in the world at one point and his influence on the game was immense.
The Hazard ballon dor take was horrendous and him saying Dinho’s best season “isn’t even close” to Neymar’s was brain dead. Faysal probably does have the best ball knowledge but some of his takes are just stupid, just because you go against the mainstream doesn’t mean you’re right all the time…
“I don’t think Beckham has ever had a year like Ribery did” was one of the main players in the treble winning season and finished second on the ballon D’oro list that year
Not just that he also dragged England to the World Cup in 2002, and was arguably a more important National team player than Ribery who was one of the reasons France imploded in 2010
Yeah if you wanna say ronaldo messi whichever order, lets say they are at 1000, everyone else from 3rd going down is starting at 300 and thats being kind, not much wingers is close at all
Ronaldo with 5 ballondor's is closer to Neymar with 0 ballondor's than he is to Messi with 7 ballondor's?? At least make it make fucking sense😂😂 twitter is absolutely a dead space
Ronaldinho was the complete package. Goalscorer, assister, playmaker, dribbler and possibly the player with the most flair in football history. He was easily the best player in the world at one point and his influence on the game was immense. Neymar isnt better than he was at his prime and Hazard's never even been close.
neymars career in terms of stats are better but dhino has a WC & Ballon d’or and is probably more naturally talented, also didnt really care one of the most unprofessional pros ever
@@SASMADBRUV7 why? he showed he never cared about longevity, he would show up to practices drunk, having sex before games. Crazy nights before games. Yea longevity is a factor but he achieved a lot in not much time if you really think about it… WC winner, UCL, Ballon D’Or, Leagues? what more did he need on his CV?
Neymar literally has everything you just listed and was an even better goal scorer. Peak Ronaldinho is slightly ahead, but overall there is definitely an argument for Neymar and he was the best player in the world outside Messi and Ronaldo for like 2 years
@@elijahvital2331 Him doing all those activities is his fault, and longevity is important in football. Neymar kills him when it comes to consistency and Dinhos prime is not that far ahead of Neymars
As a a Ronaldinho enjoyer, he is my favourite Football player ever. As a Chelsea fan I love Eden. As a Football fan I can admit that Neymar is 1 level above both.
No prime dinho is better than prime neymar. Yes neymar has been on top of his game for longer but at their peaks dinho was clear. Neymar has never reached the level of 2005-2007 dinho. He was unplayable. Even real fans gave him a standing ovation cuz he destroyed them while smiling and dancing on the pitch. AT THE BERNEBEU
@@hazz2620 2007 dihno was so poor. dihnos best season isnt better than neymars 3rd best season the guy only got 48 g/a and neymar does all the tricks and the flicks with way more goals and assists
I feel like saying Ronaldinho only had 2 really good seasons Is kinda disrespectful. I've seen Ronaldinho and he was pretty much a world class player from 1999 until around 2006. 2004-2006 Dinho was unbelievable. Also, feel like Ribery is really close if not on par with Hazard. Finally, just wanna say I am happy that Robben got some love, dude was a beast.
Prime Ribery over Hazard, Hazard had whole seasons where he would disappear, so much so it would usually get the manager there sacked at the time (it's chelsea but still). Ribery was class, CL winner where he was key, and I think Hazard's drop off in the last 3-4 years has knocked him down. Obviously an unreal dribbler but Ribery even at 35-36 was creating chances against RM in CL quarters and semis.
If it is prime against prime, like you said, you would factor out the seasons that Hazard ghosted and factor in the seasons he shined in. Prime hazard vs prime robben is easily prime hazard he was just different gravy.
@@blynko742 Prime Ribéry was a more consistent player than Prime Hazard. Ribéry also had greater longevity than Hazard, Hazard’s greatest strengths were his dribbling ability and clutch moments in the prem, giving Chelsea like 10 1-0 Ws to win the league. On a CL level, he never reached the levels that Ribéry, Robben, Neymar reached.
Ribery was averaging 10-12 goals a season in a shit league and with a way better team in his prime And how do you knock down a player due to injury woes but that logic don’t run for R9 or Ribery himself who used to get injured a lot
@@deekafs1926 I don’t knock him due to injury woes, even before his injury he was not performing that well at Real. Have we seen a sharper decline from a world superstar in his prime the season after he makes a big move? Not many, Hazard in his prime I could see being equal to Ribéry, but not better and certainly not more consistent. Hazard also rarely broke the goals numbers you just mentioned in the prem, he had 2-3 outstanding season there and the rest he was inconsistent. Ribery’s injuries always came at crucial times so I agree with you there, but again I don’t think his drop off was as dramatic
Starplayer is tripping if he thinks the gap between Neymar and any other winger is bigger than the gap between him and ronaldo. Ronaldo is astronomically clear of Neymar. Hazard and robben are much closer to Neymar and have had better seasons than Neymar in their career. Not one Neymar season had been better than a Ronaldo one
Prime ribery over hazard any day of the week. Ribery was more direct, two footed, better long shot, crossing with both feet. Ribery had that 1v1 dribble and pace not far off what hazard was doing. But to me ribery was better at almost everything else.
Hazard put up Meady numbers at Lille? He hold record for most assist in a year for club which is 30 and his last season he had 22 goals 22 assist and we don’t even have to say eye test because we know it’s crazy
Ronaldinho = 2x Fifa POTY, 1x Ballon D’Or, 1x WC Champion Neymar =0x Fifa POTY, 0x Ballon D’Or, 0x WC Champion ….it’s not even a debate…Neymar isn’t even on Kaka, Rivaldo, Romario level yet
Cherrypicked much? Ronaldinho isn't winning POTY or Ballon D'or in this era lets be real. In his peak years he had to compete with Prime Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez/Lewandowski, 2015/2020. He's still 30 as well
@@rijantamang8637 Yeah not like Ronaldinho had to complete with R9, Zidane, Kaka, Henry, Figo, Cristiano, Totti, Xavi, Gerrard, Lampard, Zlatan, Eto’o right? ..oh wait, he did…Ronaldinho was better than Kaka, Kaka was able to beat out Messi and CR7 in 2007 for the POTY and Ballon D’Or that says it all
@@CJVP99 Yeah beat them when they were much younger and not in their prime. Ronaldo only hit his prime the year after and Messi did so 2 years later. Ronaldinho's ballon d'or winning year was 44 G/A, to put it in perspective Neymar had 46 goals, 7 goals in UCL knockouts, joint UCL top scorer, scored in every leg I believe, won the treble, 19 assists and ended up 3rd in Ballon d'or in 2015. But Ronaldinho would beat a 90 G/A Messi right?
@@rijantamang8637 Messi and CR went on to win it the next two years what do you mean? Lol Also your view is very skewed mate, before it was much more difficult to put up ridiculous stats like it is today even average players like Kane put up crazy numbers. Before players had to deal with the likes of Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Cafu, Vieira, Keane, etc even the keepers this past era were all time greats on Khan, Buffon, Casillas, Cech, etc. the previous generation really had it more difficult compared to what it is today
@@abdulrahmanalghamdi2307 I think they could make a list of 16 teams, not all of them necessarily having a chance of being the best. Maybe 4 or 5 teams who realistically have a chance of winning. Similar to this video with the likes of Sterling, son and Pedro.
Jesus Christ the Giggs disrespect is clear these guys don’t watch football. I’m not saying he’s clear of Mane but these guys didn’t watch him dribble through players, his vision, technique and passing was world class and IQ is clear of mane. But you’re comparing someone who’ve played LM to a LW there’s a clear difference. Not only to forget that he transitioned into centre midfield. No left sided attacker is doing that now. No appreciate for the IQ and technique.
People also forget Hazard at the 2018 world cup and how good he was. It took a combination of pavard and kante with pogba galloping on his heels to stop him. Belgium vs france was basically the final and hazard was the biggest threat to france all tournament. Also more context, of this generation hazard has the most motm performances behind messi and ronaldo. And thats coming out of the prem. He’s not a stat man and unfortunately not a lot of ppl are watching chelsea week in and week out. But those who did truly know just how much of an influence he was minus tehe goal or assist. I back Faysal’s dinho-hazard take as ludicrous as it may seem
Exactly. Hazards world cup performance was elite. Best player of the tournament. Beligum were the better team in that match against France they were really unlucky to not get to the final.
Neymar is clear of salah. Salah fans talk stats. Look at Neymar stats, more goals, assists, for both club and country. Not to mention what they’ve won. Neymar is called lazy yet he’s better than salah. So chill
rivaldo was more an attacking midfielder/ second striker. He wasn't included in the top strikers video, but maybe because he is more famous for the 90s than the 2000s (in this list, i would rate him second just slightly behind ronaldinho)
The disrespect to Giggs and Robben in the 1st round. Only among these lot who read too much football twitter would playing long into their 30s be seen as a negative
Robben vs Mahrez shouldn't be a debate, Robben is so clear of Mahrez it isn't even funny. And I'm also Neymar over Ronaldinho, i was 9 years old during Ronaldinho's peak in 2005, so i guess you can make the argument that i didn't watch more of him, but still, Neymar is just a different player, i know a lot of people hate him but even they can't deny how good he is
Might be a shout to include at least one older Don maybe someone in the mid 30s who atleast watched half of the 90s when you’re doing these GOAT videos. Just so they can give their perspective on what they seen from a Beckham or R9
@@prinswillemmusic7117 it’s crazy cause let’s be real they’re not really educated on half of the players on the list. If we are being truthful, they only truly know about players who peaked from 2008 onwards.
Hold on, so a couple of them agreed that Ronaldo is closer to Neymar than he is to Messi, and then heavily debated that Salah was close to Neymar??? Which means they think Salah is close to Ronaldo lol, surely not. I know they said at the beginning that CR7 wouldn't be a part to it because he is clear, but they've contradicted themselves
No disrespect to Hazard but a winger whose highest ever Ballon Dor finish was 8th should be nowhere near the GOAT debate. These guys have a heavy Prem bias and it shows, Ribery in his prime was unplayable
The disrespect on Ronaldo is crazy. How is he closer to Neymar than Messi. 5 ballon d’ors, all time top goal scorer, almost every record in the ucl, consistently performing for different teams for almost 20 years now and the list goes on… CR7 is clear second of all time
Becks lost out on ballon dor to Rivaldo, the year Man United did a treble, he had 29 G/A that season, (this is before alien numbers came in from Ronaldo & Messi). We would call that a robbery if it happened in 2009 or 2019.
Faisal is very rational with his takes. I'm a Chelsea fan but I agree that Neymar is better than Hazard, but recency bias clouds peoples judgments when it comes to him. People are saying Salah is CLEAR of Hazard, that is a wild take. Injuries is really hurting Hazards legacy.
Not an older gen, but Beckham and Ronaldinho are my two all-time favorite players. Beckham if he played today would just be Trent Alexander-Arnold, but probably with a higher defensive workrate. He would definitely be a right back though.
Bale is a big game player. Neymar disappears in big games. He needs Messi by his side and could never carry a team the way Bale carries Wales. How has Neymar surpassed even Ronaldinho? You can make a very strong case for Ronaldinho being better than Kaká (who plays a different position), but Neymar isn't even as good as prime Kaká, so how has he surpassed Ronaldinho?
@@dagotowka9191 The guy hasn't achieved anything without playing with arguably the greatest footballer of all time. Bale was the best player in the Premier League whilst playing for a team like Spurs. Neymar has been in Ligue 1 for 5 years now and was only the best player there in his first season. The guy just rides Messi's coattails, hence why he begged him to come PSG. At least Bale accomplished something on his own.
@@tharcisse7103 Bale at spurs was special very special but comparing him to neymar is like comparing Bale to Cristiano it shouldn't happen his prime seasons are levels ahead of bales his influence through his dribbling, playmaking is levels above bale. Ney with santos playing in Brazil got top 10 in balondor the levels are crazy
I dont know how people respect Faysal's opinions this much. 1. How can hazard be the 3rd best winger of all time if he's finished his career at 29 (you can mention it was because of injuries but he was play bad until he got injured 2 goals in half a season). 2. Faysal says that Ronaldinho is worse than hazard because his time at AC Milan was bad but doesnt consider Hazard's time at real. 3. Hazard is nowhere close to Neymar because when these two were playing at the same time 2014-2018 Neymar had by far better seasons, people will mention hazard played in prem but prem wasnt better than Laliga in those years. 4. If Ronaldo or Messi wouldnt exist Neymar would have many ballondor's, hazard would barely have one.
