DEBATE: Would There Have Been a Holocaust Without Hitler? 

@@g3nj1 The Holocaust without Hitler would be like Cheer without Norm.

For all the pompous fanfare of these gentlemen, they failed to see that Holocausts are from all time, hitting all peoples across the globe. There is nothing special about the one that killed some jews, other than that it is being spoonfed to the masses as the most horrible crime in history, which it isn't.

@@tylerdurdan7128 That's not true. There have actually been worse mass murderers. Through democide, the ones in Russia were much more effective at genociding the population. Genghis Khan with Hitler era tech would have been absolutely brutal. Etc. There's a very good chance we may have lucked out with Hitler because he had sound enough mind to be efficient in many ways. Dude wasn't an utterly murderous war hungry type like so many others.

@@g3nj1 get a life

@@tylerdurdan7128 it would be like a fart without a smell

Only part I didn't agree with in the quote was that the Cross is fragile. Nazi Germany fell and yet the Church still stands.

Seriously

​@@jarrod5855 Is a ship afloat if only the mast is above the water? The church in Heinrich Heine time was so much more prominent in the lives of people than it is today. So yes, the church still stands, but compared to 200 years ago when Heinrich Heine wrote the poem, does it stand at all?

​@@jarrod5855 When you say the Church, do you mean the Christian that attend there, or simply the building - the church buildings are still standing, but are people going to them like they used to?

It's sad how it's acceptable to say that about non jews, but if you were to say the same kind of thing about jews, true or not.. Your life would be over.

He would ask Jesus...

@@Nah_Bohdi who would ask Jesus?

Based

He could have substituted in for Prager and it would have been a zero-sum outcome.

Kanye did what he did to get out of contracts.

Yeah and not bias!

The 3rd Reich was based on he father son and the holy ghost, hitler was sanctioned by the Vatican.

😮😅gig 😅

That's for sure, and Mr. Prager really has the voice for it, doesn't he?

Only part I didn't agree with in the quote was that the Cross is fragile. Nazi Germany fell and yet the Church still stands.

@Mephisto Film Restoration Really? That's a significant difference, translating(?) it from rotten to fragile? The author has some serious errors other than that most serious disrespect toward the Lord's saving grace. All Germans are not the same, just like all Jews are not the same. It's not right to judge and limit a people by their weaknesses.

Went into the comments to write just that 😂 thanks for saving me the trouble.

@Mephisto Film Restoration I see. Thanks for the explanation, but sometimes saying things like that can add to it happening. What we focus on grows.

Amen. All glory, faith, hope and love to Jesus Christ.

And thanksgiving to God our Father for the greatest Christmas present we will ever receive- the sacrificial blood of His son Jesus Christ. Amen.

By-Tor sends his Snow Dog to bring you Yule greetings as well. So say us all.

A blessing of God to you too i hope 🙏

@Invité It's not awful. It's the greatest expression of love the world has ever seen. Yes the crucifixion itself was awful. But Jesus sacrificing His life, taking every sin ever committed from the beginning of time upon himself so that we sinners can be justified and made righteous in the site of God is the greatest gift you and I will ever receive. So Jesus became what we are, sinners, so that we could become what He is righteous and holy. And through the grace of almighty God, through faith and trust in who Jesus is, the Son of God and what He sacrificed for us on the cross, and that God raised Him to life on the third day to forever defeat death, God will declare us innocent and give us new lives and a new purpose both here on earth and for eternity in heaven. The gift has been freely offered. All you have to do is accept it in faith in Jesus Christ. Amen.

I find it sad to have to say you're far from them politically. It's group mentality at his finest, personally I don't give a damn what they "are" politicaly, what interests me is their opinion too. Politics separate people, specially in the US with the false dichotomy between your parties...

Maybe not as far as you think

@@astromigui ‘your parties’? I’m not from the US. And my comment was drawing attention to the fact that this content is interesting for everybody, something which certain champions of the Daily Wire wouldn’t necessarily enjoy to hear *cough* Ben Shapiro *cough* …I was attempting to build bridges though your response appears to want to burn them

You don't even know where each of them stand on any given issue, what sense does a political statement have in this discussion? It has no bearing.

@@johannesking5029 it was a statement regarding the utility of the content on the Daily Wire, which is often vilified by those who don’t resonate with the views of the conservative right. I am well-aware of the views held by many of these men, if you don’t mind.

I must say Jordan is by the far articulate though

I had the same response. Prescient poet.

Except its not that powerful. Almost all arguments against the existence of God pertain to the literalist interpretation. Not a metaphorical one. Dennis's arguments typical (but obviously not exclusively) deal in metaphorical interpretation. Heck, in todays America, the much reviled "Secular" worldview, that Dennis and his type demonize so much, currently is serving the same purpose as 'Christianity" did for Germany according to Heinrich Heine. It will get ugly for the US if/when the Theocrat gets their way.

If he is less interested in convincing people of the existence of god than the consequences on not doing so, it stands to reason that he is interested in convincing people of the existence of god. It is an illogical statement. We still don’t know if Jordan is a born again Christian. As soon Peterson comes out of the closet and let’s us know what Christian faith he believes in (I think he will settle on catholic) his wealth will grow. He can get lots of stadium church gigs. He can be in the Oval Office praying for the new Republican president-laying on of hands. His future will see a huge growth of wealth. The question will be, how much honor and integrity will he sacrifice in doing so. He has cozied up to a lot of nasty right wingers.

How so

Human motivation will NEVER fully satisfy like God will. Motivational speeches for temporal euphoria is just another opioid. Don’t be fooled the demons are very cunning with motivational speeches. Especially, with “motivational speakers”. The Lord have mercy on us all. 🙏🏼 ❤

“You are the master of your destiny: No one and nothing can come in between you and your destiny except you. Take destiny by the horns and have fun.” -Master Oogway

This comment reminds me of how impressed I was by inspirational quotes when I was 9 years old lmfao

Delusional position. The world went voluntarily into the abyss and complained the entire time. The Germans went willingly into the abyss and loved it.

@@michaelz6555 I don’t think it is a delusional position. There are still millions who believe in wearing masks everywhere in public, maintaining social distance, avoiding get togethers etc. When the pandemic hit, many out of fear blindly listened to the government. They were fine judging their brothers and sisters who were free thinkers. Even to this day there is a stigmatism to those who didn’t get the vaccine. Obviously Covid doesn’t even compare to the severity of the Holocaust. However I do believe that Covid gave us a small window into how people throw freedom out the door in the name of fear.

A bit like God; you don’t follow God’s rules and you’re denounced and bound for eternal doom. Got to love the irony

@@jamesaston410 Poor analogy, I'm afraid. God is true. What these petty tyrants say is a lie.

@@warnerchandler9826 whether God is true or not is irrelevant, the Bible confirms what I said - if one doesn’t believe one is doomed!

Trump?

@@jamesaston410 Trump is LITERALLY nazi he killed billions

Obama!!

Hitler was an exception. I am very sure that without him the Nazis would not have been able to consolidate power and thus organize the mass murder... So I do believe the HC would not have happened without Hitler.

WWI was forced on Germany by France? That is ridiculous. Please read a few good scholarly history books on this subject.

Wow, Tolstoy.

Sorry to bother you Ted, but do you happen to know where I can find the Heinrich Heine quote? Many thanks.

clockwise from JBP: Douglas Hedley, Os Guinness, James Orr, Gregg Hurwitz, Dennis Prager, Stephen Blackwood, Jonathan Pageau

@@philosophistry Many thanks!!

It's on the Daily Wire +, along with the other 15 episodes

Edgar -- a bit of the miracle given this Age's lust after everything mediocre, especially in mass media. To say I am encouraged is putting it mildly.

It's kind of disappointing, given the fact that they are debating seriously about complete fantasy.

@@Gilfanon-2 Tell me about it.

​@@brendangolledge8312😮n7

You would need to understand the psychological concepts Jordan is discussing to fully appreciate this conversation.

I mean those conversations are just superficial knowledge babbling disguised as a thought provoking spectale. Peterson cant get into details about the historical necessities that forged the holocaust, cause all thinkers who did the greatest work on that question are canceled by him as "cultural marxists". I mean Peterson has always been pure ideology, while accusing everybody else of the same. He is a fraud, and a cheap one too.

The whole 16 episode series is rolling out on Daily Wire +

"The History of Religion and Philosophy in Germany": - 1835

@@josephtravers777 Thank you

I gotta look into this. What exactly do you mean? The roaring noticing and then repeated what made people roar? Or the character traits?

Ion’s being attentive to the response of the crowd before continuing

@@oatmilkfiend9627 much appreciated

The anger of the Germany people was quite possibly entirely justified. This is not to confuse their actions with justice though. The German people had seen the social destruction of Berlin (the degeneracy, pedophilia and sinfulness happening there in disgusts me to talk about). The Bolsheviks had moved into their land and were threatening to turn the entire nation into the same degeneracy that had taken Berlin. What happened the German's perpetrated was wrong and not justice, but to suggest that it was purely due to the German populace's anger towards "reparations" is to ignore the truly awful truth that the Bolsheviks brought with them. What happened in the 1940's was certainly partially a fallout of what happened in the 1920's, but much more happened in the 1930's to lead up to it. But this in an inconvenient truth that many today would like people to forget. Perhaps the best wisdom to derive from the lesson that was the atrocities of WWII is that 'an overapplication of justice is simply injustice'. The German people were right to rise up against the evil in their land. And they did. However, once justice had been served, they failed to release their anger and pursued the next 'target'. In this way they showed that the 'path to hell is paved with good intentions'. In wanting to rid their country of an enemy, they became the greater foe. This is the same reason why truth has no agenda, it simply is. Hitler, whether he the cause or the symptom, matters not nearly as much as each individual today realizing their own ability to contribute to that same awful result. We cannot change out this world's leaders, but we can change who we follow. And if we all, collectively, choose not to follow bad leaders we will one day have good ones.

This is what saddens me in today's America. The Religious Right fit that description so perfectly it hurts to watch it play in modern times. And yet, too many seem convinced its the "Radical Leftist" who pose that danger, when in reality they do not, nor cannot.

Think about it all the German people had to agree with Hitler to send people to camps. Hitler used the News(like the Democrats do today) hed show how much sick people and handicap people was costing the government. The population agreed and all them went to the same camps. In a socialist government its too open for Evil. That government type has all the crimes verse humanity. All the "socialists" in the US are sitting with full bank accounts. Billions! If they was serious about equality show us. BLM has $84Billion in donations yet ZERO goes to the black community. Socialism? so BLM is a new Hate Group? They stir racism and destroying poor neighborhoods. Why not protest in Beverly Hills? OC?

I just looked at this and I’m lmfao 😂 antisemitism is in soooo much old literature. What’s that one quote? “I would be an antisemitism if it weren’t for the chance of birth. Nobody gets kicked out of every country they enter for two thousand years without blame.”

The United States is on the materialistic atheist path. By far and by large the United States has failed to live up to its historical propaganda, the promotional pull to basically make people work endless days and endless nights, shaving off large portions of their earnings for endless taxes, all which goes against the grain of the Independence from England due to taxation theory as to how the 13 colonies were established. Land of the Free (obsolete promotional taglines due to taxation); Justice for All (Obsolete with the amount of fraud and corruption with government employees greatly overlooked); The American Dream (Totally Obsolete, even Britney Spears who previously referred to herself as The American Dream now has no belief in God); Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (Obsolete and evident with decisions made in Divorce Cases where people cannot simply move on because the courts find domestic violence and abuse so damn entertaining); PS BTW Slavery was never abolished, evident with US Nationsl Debt (www.usdebtclock.org) they just changed the terminology from Slave to Labor and continued to capitalize on their pyramid schemes.

It would be lovely to be in the same room! They are giving us the opportunity by publishing their conversations on video.

The west is still trapped in its pagan dream, when will it end? The Romans deified Jesus to maintain their pagan, lucrative human-worship that boosted their economy but ultimately led to their downfall when the they fell too far in their self-worship. This cursed interpretation of Christianity, which prioritizes human worship, statues and images of human men and women who resembles the people of their own ethnicity, has unconsciously inspired men and women to be gods themselves, creating the countries with the greatest wealth but causing even greater economic crises as a result! This twisted pagan interpretation of Christianity is followed even by those who are atheists, its the Mother of extremist leftist and right-wing ideologies, who all share the fraternal bond rooted in the shared belief that people - or at least certain groups of people - are inherently good. They call themselves christians and wair the cross proudly on their chest, and they curse the romans for crucifying Christ, but they do not understand that they themselves are the pagan Romans, who worship images of themselves, human statues, idols, and sacrifice others for their sins! They claim to love ‘humanity’ in the name of christ but can only percieve the group they belong to as the true essence of humanity. The western world has been in a cycle of Repentence, economic growth, self-worship, economic downfall, sacrificing, repentence. Have they not nailed enough Prophets to their cross? Have they not nailed enough syrians and irakees to their cross? Have they not nailed enough Africans to their cross? Have they not nailed enough Indians to their cross? Have they not nailed enough Asians to their cross? Have they not nailed enough Jews to their cross? They eat themselves into nihilism, economic crisis and war, and can only be forced into humility by war! Not by god, for they think they are God and his angels. After sacrificing millions of innocent lives, they achieve an economic recovery fueled by humility and guilt, after which they shake religion off, and go for another round of self-worship.

Maybe because we expect conservatives to look like that

And a tad narcissistic

JP likes to listen to himself speaking.

Did you want the Vatican to roll out tanks and deploy armed forced against Nazi Germany?

The Vatican was basically a city surrounded by a fascist regime who was allied with Hitler.

Of course he wouldn't know the details of something like that 100 years into the future. He knew a horror worse than the french revolution was going to happen, but did he know it was going to be specifically millions of jews slaughtered industrially like cattle at specifically around 1940s? No, but his prediction was right.

If he did predict that holocaust, that's not impressive, because anybody can predict stuff that doesn't happen.

​@@drooskie9525What the initial comment is saying is that this wasn't even what Heine meant. It had nothing to do with a nation vs nation or worldwide war, as well as targeting a specific group that literally didn't want to be german... Prediction was far more so related to an anti-clerical revolution, one of classes, like that of France, which in ww2 terms would mean the Germans voting for hitler and becoming nazi germany... As the initial comment says, it's highly unlikely that that's what he was going after...

Ironically they were debating about a Catholic

Jonathan Pageau is Eastern Orthodox and imo Jonathan is one of the only ones with good insight on this discussion

@@DanJWil That's kinda what I'm trying to imply.

Quite rightly so too.

Jordan is not going to bite the hand that feeds them,he doesn't have the integrity to practice what he preaches

Mark of the beast will be enforced sunday worship (the image of the beast - the papacy or Roman Catholic doctrine of Sunday worship). People will be deceived by false miracles into making a law that enforces or coerces Sunday worship law. This goes against the 1st amendment (freedom of worship). Revelation 13: 11-14 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Look up mark of the beast (enforced Sunday worship). The Sabbath is the Lord's day not Sunday.

@@b.858sabbath means rest it’s not a day.

@@lesliecrawford1336 Bible clearly shows it’s a day. Yes it does mean rest but it is tied to a day which is the Sabbath day.