In this series, "Debating Al-Ghazali", I critically engage the popular narrative about Islamic intellectual history propagated nowadays by secularists in Pakistan. In episode 1, I analyze the sources that popularize this narrative. In episode 2, I will discuss Al-Ghazali's philosophy in detail. In episode 3, I will show the state of philosophy and science in the post-Ghazalian era.
In this discussion - why is it not mentioned that the Western Crusades began in the lifetime of Imam Al Ghazali and these wars almost destroyed the Islamic civilization. And then the next blow was the Mongol invasions.
I highly suggest that you create a video on how to properly fact-check and research any given topic, as I have noticed that many Pakistanis do not frequently absorb knowledge from credible, peer-reviewed research papers or dissertations. This video will help those who want to gain factual, evidence-based knowledge and will provide them with credible sources.
I am going into this video blind. Let's see how well I understand Ghazali's philosophy from your video. Will be commenting my review once I'm done. Keep up the great work Shershah ❤
Yes, you are right we must go to source before open our mouth Pervaiz hoodbhoy Taimoor Lal Muzamil Mirza All creating mess in the name of psuedo intellectualism
He must done something noble that people are still defending him after centuries. May Allah elevat his rank in Jannah and open the path of light for us.
We have always waited for a man like you. Keep shining and providing us unbiased and original views regarding to our great scholars and respectable person who tried to bring a change for our Ummah
Wonderful work. Unfortunately, public discourse about religion in Pakistan is around 200 years behind the current state of research in religious studies in the Western academy. No one takes the "Al-Ghazali destroyed science" narrative seriously in Islamic Studies scholarship anymore. However, unfortunately, people will listen to Hoodboy and Uzma Rumi instead of reading Frank Grifel, Ebrahim Moosa etc. I miss your twitter account. Thank you for trying to enlighten the masses. May Allah bless you.
Honestly, its not just public discourse is outdated, it is also sidelining traditional islamic scholarship. This has resulted in the perception that ulema are jahil/unparh etc. and therefore not taken seriously especially amongst secular/liberal class. If tomorrow any westerner says the same thing, then we all accept it but if any of our ulema say something then we start to ridicule/ignore it. Unfortunately, this is colonial mindset is the bane of our society.
This video reminded me of Pericles, a Greek politician whose primary rhetorical tool was presenting airtight arguments. If we desire to achieve this, we have to be factually correct and rely on authentic references, which sadly is often lacking here in Pakistan. Your video is a great introduction to Ghazali's philosophy, but I did observe that it went a little bit off tangent by explaining in depth the importance of fact-checking, researching, and questioning the authenticity of the information we consume. Thank you for sharing this video and going through the effort to compile sources for your arguments, I look forward to the next chapters, well done Shershah ♥
Good Work brother. Keep it up. The fact that their work was translated into european languages, and then appreciated in europe is fascinating. Ignorance has swept us, we must do something against the false propagators like hoodbhoy. Be it in humanities, liberal arts, religion or in natural science.
I just watched the second episode and then this first one, I cannot wait for the 3rd episode! It is actually so frustrating for me aswell to find wrong references or facts given by actual scholars or doctors in the field! It is way more common than we think and it is hard coming across Pakistani content creators who give references for their claims. You are one of the first ever Pakistani creators I have come across to do research properly and present the facts with evidences! I am eager to see your channel grow. Keep it up!
After seeing these topics being tackled in the English language by people like Let's Talk Religion, it's good that you made them more accessable to Pakistanis by making these videos in Urdu. Would love to see videos on Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd and Ibn Arabi. Ngl, don't have it in me to read as much as you do.
I'm so glad you covered this topic. Somebody sent one of the videos you mentioned. But I wasn't allowed to respond bc the person who sent it is from an older generation🙄😑I can share this video though lol
I am unable to thank you enough. As I delved into the philosophies of Kant and Hegel, I couldn't help but wonder: what about the contributions of Islamic scholars? I may be oversimplifying, but I'm eager to learn more. Thank you for sharing your insights - I'm looking forward to more content like this!
This is premium content if we compare it to indo-pak discourse on islamic discussion. this video definietly needs promotion to get the reach it deserves. No one in starting of their YT journey does this level of good job. Allahumma barik.
Much needed video. I had become sick of ill-informed people, trying to position themselves as intellectuals. Making it hard for the learned people to spread true and authentic knowledge.
Dude, that's like the first thing he says in the video: don't believe any video on RU-vid to have "true and authentic knowledge". The only authentic knowledge is what you learn by reading scholarly writings yourselves.
12:20 Kiyunke then their narrative will be weakened and then they have to review their whole perception of Mullah(theologian) vs Scientists which is a borrowed narrative from the Christian history that they copy paste it on Islam's intellectual history Another reason is that if they'll review their thoughts on this popular narrative then they have to face a backlash in their own small intellectual circles(firkri yateem khaane)
I am truly amazed how well you countered the Narrative which is presented by west and their perpetuators in muslim world to demoralized them. And i am also happy that you and many other youtuber presents their Narrative with logical arguments supported by references.
Maa Shaa Allah, dear shersha , the video was excellent, but you need to change the thumbnail . Please add pic of Perviz hodboy,uzma, faisal Warraich on your thumbnail.
Well done, a much needed perspective that should be followed by Pakistan's curious minds. A slight correction that can be added at 17:27 , mongols sacked Baghdad in 1258 not 1248.
A huge takeway from this video for us (apart from the fact that self proclaimed intellectuals are promoting lies) is that the scientists of the Islamic Golden Age were infact also the mullahs of that time, and the mullahs were well reas scientists. Currently im reading a book where im learning about the Shadhili order of Sufism (non fiction: Sea without Shores by Nuh Ha Mim Keller) where the first two characters introduced ( Sheikh Abdurrehman al Shaghouri and Sheikh Abdul Wakil) were both mystics HOWEVER the both of them were well versed in the Quran, Hadith, Fiqh, Islanic Jurisprudence and were skeptics and free thinkers. While if i see any "spiritual" person today, they will likely reject thr rules and commands of Quran and Hadith and put their personal relationship with God above the rules laid out. Or vice versa a religious people will entirely close their minds to only leave room for thr Quran and Hadith and notbing else. It just goes to show that you cant be religious without being a true well-read intellectual and vice versa. Thank you again for the wonderful videos. I love the short 15-20 minute videos by you because they are easily digestible
Good work brother, but I also have a genuine question why some scholars discard science, philosophy and rational thinking and they proudly term people as "gumrah ho gaya". How this thinking produced in the minds of people,and secondly i have come across people (right wing) who declare Ibn Sina, Al Farabi, Ibn Rushd and their contemporaries as non muslim.I don't get it. I think there is a great impact of our today's scholars(not all) to make people far from intellect and for me I think this is a mojor cause why we are backward in term of modern technology and education. I'm not from left group but a question? Love from India❤
Shukri bohot achi video thi hame aik narrative parhaya jata hai take hum apne scientist philosopher s apne heros ko chorde lakin ishallah hum bhi ab apne heroes ko parhenge samjhenge or implement karenge apne zindagi ma
The next episode is about al-Ghazali’s philosophy and his idea of causality. Ibn Sina also believed that fire is not the sufficient cause for burning the cotton but only an efficient cause (secondary causality). So even according to him fire doesn’t have an inherent and enclosed potency to cause fire. Fire is intermediate cause and it is itself an effect of a preceding cause, going all the way back to The First (al-awwal) ie God. God is the first and sufficient cause for every phenomenon. Ref: Koca, Islam, Causality and Freedom, ch.2 (p. 40-60) More details in the upcoming video.
First i watched your thumbnail in the office i thought I'll watch freely nd thought you are an European Muslim and this content would be in english, i subscribed your channel and skip this video because of english, Ab pata chala urdu me hai aur mai urdu me fluent hu😊
Very Informative video. Just one issue here, Left is a very broad term and contains very different and opposing intellectual currents. The group of people whom you are criticizing (Hoodbhoy, Book Buddy, Muzammil etc) are better characterized by the word liberal with their beliefs based on orientalism. Left also includes peole like Eqbal Ahmed, Faiz Ahmed Faiz etc. You can't club such intellectuals with the naive group of Hoodbhoy, Muzammil etc
i have a huge respect for him but not in the area of historical narrative Another mistake is he told in his chapter 3 that church was against science but prominent majority of scholar will laugh at his argument i will attach my source below 1.Edward grant ( the foundation of modern science in the middle ages ) 2. david hutchings & james c ungureanu ( of popes & unicorns ) 3. galileo goes to jail by ronald l numbers 4. the fall of man and the foundation of science by peter harrison note -we must admit that islam is also contribute to science but now the 100 Years of Nobel Prizes By Baruch A. Shalev it show changes in graph that its contribution is less nowadays God bless keep going
Can you create a series or video on philosophical terminology? Especially Urdu terminology. Or recommend some contents on terminology. Im currently medical student.
Great initiative but have some improvement in giving lectures like uzma rumi and book buddy 😂😂 Just want to improve not degrading because the people against you are very hard and sound even if they are on the wrong side. But this is also a good and natural way and you are telling the truth. Kyunki wo log jab baat karte hai jhoot bhi bolte hai to poore etemaad wale lehje main. ❤❤❤❤❤
If you read the quran with translation, you automatically realize islam and science are compatible. This is only a debate bc people don't read. They go off of hearsay.
Ghazali's Unfortunate Victory against Science | A Response to Qaiser Ahmed Raja | Part 2 | Uzma Rumi ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B0zgf2Phy90.htmlsi=_dJwVpFqmSm_gwAj
Nice video. Although I have a question. AT 13:41 You mention that Al Kindi was actually flogged but the reason seems a bit vague. You mentioned it was because of some jealousy. But why did the Caliph Mutawakkil actually flog him? What I mean to say is that he won't simply flog him because of some jealousy. What was he actually accused of? Thank you.
He was flogged because of the Musa brothers plotted against him. I am going to share the full story from the primary sources. This was shared with me by Prof. Adamson. (you can see this same passage here as well: historyofphilosophy.net/al-kindi). Here is the whole story (from the biographical report of Ibn ʾAbī ʾUṣaybiʿa, translated in the volume I did with Peter Pormann). Muḥammad and Aḥmad, the Banū Mūsā, in the time of Mutawakkil [reg.847-61], conspired against all who discussed prognostics. They sent Sind ibn ʿAlī away to the City of Peace [i.e., Baghdad] and separated him from Mutawakkil. And they hatched a plot against al-Kindī so that Mutawakkil had him beaten. They went to his house and took all his books, and set these aside in a storehouse that they called the ‘Kindīya’. They were able to do so because al-Mutawakkil despised moving instruments. Mutawakkil commissioned these two to oversee the digging the canal called al-Ǧaʿfarī, and they entrusted the job to Aḥmad ibn Kaṯīr al-Furġānī, who had built the new measuring instrument for the Nile in Egypt. The latter’s knowledge was greater than his success, for hardly had he completed the task, [it became apparent that] he committed a mistake at the mouth of the canal known as al-Ǧaʿfarī: he had made it lower than the rest, so that [the water] that submersed the mouth did not flow into the rest of the canal. Al-Muḥammad and Aḥmad, the Banū Mūsā, defended the work that he had undertaken. Mutawakkil, however, required them to go quickly and take up the matter with [Sind ibn ʿAlī]. Al-Mutawakkil promptly summoned Sind ibn ʿAlī back from Baghdad, who duly appeared. (8) Once the Banū Mūsā confirmed that Sind ibn ʿAlī had left, they were ripe for destruction (ʾaynaʿā bi-l-halkati), and despaired of their lives. Al-Mutawakkil summoned Sind and said to him, ‘every time these two scoundrels speak ill of someone, it is always aimed at you. These two have wasted a great deal of my money on the canal. Go out to the canal to inspect it and see what is wrong. I have sworn by my life that if things stand as they have been described to me, then I will crucify them [sc. the Banū Mūsā] on its shores.’ Muḥammad and Aḥmad, the Banū Mūsā, got wind of all of this. As he [Sind] went out with them, Muḥammad ibn Mūsā said to him, ‘ʾAbū Ṭayyib, a gentleman does not bear a grudge. We beg for your help [in saving] our lives, which are so dear to us. We do not deny that we did wrong, but confession removes commission, so absolve us, as you will.’ Sind said to them, ‘By God, surely you know the enmity and estrangement between myself and al-Kindī, but it is the truth that I follow. Was it kind of you to take his books? By God, your reputation will not be restored until you return his books to him.’ So Muḥammad ibn Mūsā proceeded to bring the books to him. al-Kindī acknowledged receipt of the books in full, with a note saying that they have all been delivered. (10) [Sind] said, ‘it is incumbent upon me to offer you protection, since you have returned this man’s books. You have protection in knowledge, which we must keep between us: the mistake in this canal will be hidden for four months, thanks to the rise of the Tigris. And the astrologers (al-ḥussāb) agree that Mutawakkil will not live that long. I will immediately inform him that you made no mistake regarding the canal, so you may live. If the astrologers are right then we three will escape; but if they are wrong, then he will live long enough for the Tigris to recede, and he will attack all three of us.’ Muḥammad and Aḥmad thanked him for this, and he let them sneak away. He went to al-Mutawakkil and said to him, ‘they made no mistake.’ The Tigris rose and the water flowed into the canal, and hid its true state. Al-Mutawakkil was killed after two months and Muḥammad and Aḥmad were saved, after confronting such a terrifying fate.
Can you suggest any academic book which answers the allegations against prophet Muhammad (swa) by Western people...like his number of marriages.. his marriage with ayesha rz etc
ایک سے زیادی شادی کرنے بر کسی کو کیا اعتراض ہوگا جبکہ ان کی ازواج کو نہیں تھا. اور جو امّی عائشہ سے کم عمری کی شادی ہے، اس کا جواب میں خود ڈھونڈ رہا ہوں❤
bhai wo dikhata hai ki wo acha hai lekin apni asliyat chupata hai , hadees ki meaning twist karta hai matlab agar hum kissi hadees se kya summary / idea lete hai , usko er ali twist karta hai , basically he is a manipulator . i hope inshaallah this answer would be sufficient rot u
@@imeegames6703 آپ نے اپنا تعصبانہ نظریہ بتانے کی کوشش کی ہے مرزا علی انجینیر کے بارے میں. وہ بڑی شدت سے فرقہ واریت کا رد کرتا ہے یہاں تک کہ وہ شیعہ حضرات کو بھی ویسا ہی مسلم سمجھتا ہے جیسا وہ کسی بریلوی یا دیوبندی کو دیکھتا ہے. ہاں وہ سنی اور دیوبندی کے اکابرین کے تحریر کی بر ملاتنقید کرتا ہے یہاں تک کہ وہ بنیادی تہذیب کا دامن بھی چھوڑ دیتا ہے وہ مسلموں میں مولوی پیشے کو صحیح نہیں مانتا ( جو کہ اس صدی کے بڑے مفکر ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد کا موقف تھا) وہ کہتا ہے کہ ہر مسلم پر یہ فرض ہے کہ وہ دین کے بارے میں سیکھے اور سیکھنے میں کسی کی تقلید نہ کرکے قران اور حدیث کی تقلید کرنی چاہیے. اس نے چھیڑ کھانی کی یا نہیں کی یہ کسی کے ذاتی نظریات ہو سکتے ہیں ویسے بریلی علماء کو دیوبندی اور دیوبندی کو بریلوی بھی یہی کہتے ہیں جو بنیاد پرست مسلم انجینیر کو کہتے ہیں
But what do u think did cause the intellectual decline among muslims then? (if you've already discussed this, please provide the link to the video. I really wanna know)
The narrative is prevalent in popular media not in academia. My aim is to bridge the gap between scholarships and the publci discourse when it comes Islamic intellectual history so that these myths are put in their place.
