I'm happy Debian keeps pumping out solid full distros with tons of excellent software packages. There was a time a few years ago I feared we'd all have to use Docker or strange new packaging systems just to install anything on Linux desktops!
@@vicmac3513 it's a great website though, I can actually browse it without waiting a minute for loads of bloat to process every time I click on something
Yeaaah...I already experimenting with it!! It's actually really very very less scarry as I thought it will be!!! I installed Ubuntu newest thingie....is that any good for gaming? As now it's just on laptop but if I'll build more stronger pc it will be the best choice for games??!!! Just wondering!!!!!
@@michaeljijus980 Sorry for necroposting, probably got your answer already but yeah it's good for gaming, worst case though you might not be able to play some online games due to horrible Anti-Cheat and/or just flatout being banned on Linux as a whole. Modding games isn't all too much different either, especially if your game makes use of a Mod Manager. Also I am not sure about the performance difference on newer hardware myself, I am on a old computer but a potential heads up I heard nvidia doesn't really pair well because of driver issues. I could be very wrong, sorry I have really only ever used Intel Graphics and AMD my whole life.
I agree, they keep nagging us to reuse but they keep putting up hurdles. If you are not into gaming or heavy computer usage an older computer is just fine.
@@tonysheerness2427 Microsoft seems to be working with the hardware manufacturers to almost force us into buying new systems so we can run their latest versions, promoting even more E-waste. On the other hand, that means there are lots of available used systems going real cheap that will be perfectly good Linux machines for years to come.
@@thedarkmoon2341 Windows 11, meanwhile, is functionally a reskin of Windows 10. There isn't enough fundamentally better about it to justify 11's existence. Microsoft is the same old brand of evil they've always been, just with a new coat of paint.
While I support the idea, I don't think it relates to e-waste anymore. 32bit systems are, by now, so old that they're basically unusable as a normal computer. If you value your time, that is. So I think that 32 bit systems are mostly just for niche segments now, enthusiasts and geeks having them for retro purposes. And, frankly, they could all simply still use Debian 11, that's why I say the e-waste is a non argument in this case, these systems are not being thrown away anyway, Debian 12 support or not. And the machines that would be e-waste without proper software support are 64 bit by now. Still, like I said, I really like the 32 bit support and backwards support in general. Maybe you want to simply have a partition with 32bit OS+apps that you can run "natively" so to speak, while your main OS can stay 64 bit.
The moment Debian 12 came out, I kept visiting this channel often hoping to see your video on it. It didn't disappoint, since I love how you show and explain everything. I even went back to see a bunch of other videos of yours while I waited and really enjoyed them. Your work has done a lot in re-igniting my interest in computers and technology in general. Thank you and take care!
I've never tried Debian directly as an OS i'm a huge Zorin OS user. But I have to admit that the desktop looks clean and it seems they are make good progress with software integration going forward. Great video.
Once again, Chris, great video. I had no idea Debian 12 was due fir release. i just installed Debian 11 on my HTPC a few months back. I like it so much I may go ahead and install Debian 12 on my main driver. Have a great weekend... Joe
Another great video, Chris! I'm running Debian 11 (Bullseye) right now. I liked how the installer enabled you to install it without a GUI which is nice for me because I prefer to compile DWM for X. I don't recommend this for everyone because a preinstalled DE usually takes care of a lot of stuff like volume control, Bluetooth control, media buttons, etc.
YES-- I installed it yesterday- after testing it a while-- and LOVE IT.. I use the Vanilla Debian 12- and added KDE on it myself to keep it as sparse and lean as i could... and it's GREAT-- ROCK SOLID- VERY FAST- easy to work with- and just PERFECT!!!! I use Sparky Linux as backup (it's debian wtih kde too- and is also VERY VERY FAST and simple- and full of tools.)
I just installed Debian 12 on an old Toshiba I-3 laptop in place of Mint Plasma. The Gnome desktop will take a few days to sink in, but the laptop is noticeably more responsive. I’m happy.
Hi. Do you reckon it would run better than Mint 21 on a 2011 macbook pro ( Intel i5 / 8 Gb RAM). Mint is great, but I would not turn my nose up at smoother performance.
Also just installed Debian exactly like this on my M1 Max Macbook. So snappy. My Mac has 32GB RAM and 12 core cpu. 400gb/s memory bandwidth too. Thanks for this video bro. This Debian runs perfectly on Apple silicon via UTM
Peter great to see you again and see your progress and very educational and interesting videos. Really enjoyed something new and learning from you. Again many thanks for you over the top kindness and very well presented videos you to a top notch job. Love it and sure made my evening so enjoyable. Super thanks Mike
Thank you for the content. I’m again finally able to watch EC. Moving across the USA is never fun, especially if you have to do it yourself. All the best, Chris!
Being a Redhat/Centos user for 16 years. It looks like IBM has had a change of heart towards the Linux community. I cannot wait to try this both 64 and 32 bits. Glad I found your page....
Having used MX Linux for many months, I viewed your video to see if Debian might be better for me. I dl'd it to my Ventoy USB, booted up my Dell Latitude E5540 in Debian, and I was very impressed with how well the old laptop worked. While I don't want to jump right in and replace my MX distro, mostly because I don't want to download all the apps I've installed and the data generated therewith, I'm beginning to feel it might be worth my while. BTW, I found your video most informative and attractive.
The first time I installed Debian, I installed it with four floppy disks and an internet install. I initially couldn't get the GUI working so I did everything running off the green screen (Lynx is cool) and set up a file and print sharing on a network using token ring and Ethernet. Even recompiled the kernel to use OS/2 drives after the OS/2 Landserver's motherboard failed, someone told me that it was a real bad thing to do but it really booted fast. I booted Knoppix to get a configuration for the GUI. I love Debian. I got a bad habit of using Ubuntu because it was easy sort of like driving a car with an automatic transmission. I think it is time to get back to the stick shift.
Another great video Chris! The Debian installer connects to the internet and downloads whatever software they choose to include with the different desktop environments.
Absolutely love this distro, I use it everywhere. It just goes and keeps running, getting used to its package manager is well worth it as there are just so many distros based on it particularly in the SBC space.
Another great video Chris. Simple and to the point. The only thing I've noticed is these "major" releases are what we used to call minors... there's nothing really *major* to report any more and the kernel (the only bit of Linux in there) is similarly getting major numbers for what amount to continuations. I would say a major change (for example) was when Gnome split between Gnome 2 and Gnome 3 where 2 became Mate and Gnome kept the awkward pronunciation trying too hard to be a pun on Gnu.
@@ExplainingComputers As an autistic, I like rules. An English rule is that the preliminary G is silent, so Gone pronounced Nome and Gnu pronounced New. Oh, and whatever your accent, Linux should sound a lot like Linus, as it does in Linus explaining it.
@@oneeyedphotographer GNU is acronym gnu is an acronym so that rule does not apply and Linux cames from the name of its founder, Linus Torvalds, and is pronounced in Finnish as its founder's name.
Thank you for this video. However, it was very heavy on discussing graphical user interfaces. I would like to see a discussion about package management and how to keep a distro solid but still be able to install various software. I'm a long time Debian user and I am always hesitant when it comes to installing new software in case it breaks something. "Stick to the libraries in apt then!" i the mantra, but very often interactions in our more and more connected world requires software that is not always in apt. One example is discord. Not to speak of all web browsers that gets outdated. As I understand Debian 12 takes some kind of new stance to this long time "new software conundrum". A second video diving into this would be very nice.
Flatpack would appear to be the new shiny for installing non-repo apps like discord with minimal effects on the host system. They're kinda porky, but I suppose an up to date universal containerized app with all dependencies included is a pretty good trade considering disk space is cheap by now. The few that I've tried seem to work okay. Just a small speed hit on launch, shorter than a sip of coffee, which I assume is due to creating the container it runs in. There's also appimages, snaps, and nix. I'd welcome Chris's take on these as well.
I used to run cinnamon. Then I switched to xfce in order to make my desktop look/act like Irix (I found cinnamon restrictive in terms of customization); and I'm happy running LMDE with xfce now.
I feel like i just downloaded D-11. (Debian has been my preferred daily driver for more than ten years.) I guess time has been a bit compressed lately in my life. Good morning Chris. Nice to hear from you.
@@nox5555my lesser known 3rd PC, Enceladus, is a 32-bit netbook. Naturally, Debian runs well enough on this machine, though KDE Plasma pushes it a little too hard. I think I need more RAM.
Hey Professor! Thanks For The Online Tutorial. That's Weird About Which Software Gets Installed But Great That 32 Bit Machines Can Hang On A Little Longer!
I delayed the assembly of my new desktop computer until the release of Debian 12. I had a strange feeling that you do a video on the topic. I guess I can start the assembly next weekend.
Thank you for the video, very interesting, I did not know you could change the desktop without a full installation! Very helpful, cheers for that information, I have just installed my Linux Mint LMDE to see how it compares to the Ubuntu addition.
I settled on this last week. Got scared off of Fedora due to Red Hat/IBM nonsense. Debian is so, for lack of better terms, comfortable. It just works and everything is neatly in its place. Only slight negative I feel is they need to update their website to be more enticing to Windows expatriates...the distro is so good .. flaunt it! Thanks again for all you do!
I have an old windows 10 laptop with 32gb and 2 GB ram lined up and I think this is the system to try. Thanks Chris for another great video I don't think I'd have the nerve to potter about without your help from these videos, many thanks.
I run Debian on a very similar system with XFCE desktop, which I would totally recommend as it is the lightest option yet highly customizable and straightforward to use 👍
As already mentioned; in the early days, it came down to which Linux distro's packaging system was the 'best' for the user. After starting out (and stumbling) with the Slackware distro, I'm glad I'd discovered Debian (and 'apt'). Might've given up if it weren't for that. Thanks for another great video Chris. 😎👍
The only package manager I've seen that does as well as apt, besides Flatpak, has to be opkg, but that is an OpenWRT exclusive. This is itself a fine distro, though one meant for a different class of hardware.
Totally in agreement with you on the usefulness of this release. My x64 home-grown NAS was transferred to Debian12 from 11 last week. I chose Debian for its LTS . 5 years of stability if I so decide. Fedora couldn't offer the same peace of mind for this specific use. Thank you for the informative work as usual.
Debian is a very good system for everyday use. However, for me personally, I prefer Debian-based distros when it comes to desktop or laptop pc. Especially that after installing vanilla Debian I have to install a lot of things manually, which is a bit of a pain. Especially for people who don't have much time are very busy with home, children, and a lot of other things. However, I use Debian on sbc as a small home nas server, and I'm very happy with it.
Thanks for the showcase video. Debian is always my favourite distro and I'm happy about the change of the non-free firmware. And for the older Nvidia GPU that needs older version of nvidia proprietary driver, Debian has a package called 'nvidia-detect' to find the correct driver for the GPU.
What a modern and smart move to include the hardware repositories. Maybe so many won't tag Debian as a "more difficult" OS now. I imagine a lot of new users will be saying: "Wow, this just works."
I just returned to Debian after having used Mint almost a decade ago as my first distribution, and after attempting my package reinstall ritual I was surprised to find that it actually has some useful repositories and packages base (especially being on nvidia) as much as I enjoyed the freedom of Arch and the performance of Nobara, I just enjoy the reliability of Debian ... After about a week of doing various things like programming and gaming i've had no issues and everything has been essentially plug and play. The Cinnamon desktop environment is also great. I was having issues I had to constantly iron out using KDE Plasma on Debian and Fedora both and it got tiring, although I did notice a marginal performance drop in games
@@xaviervanzyl9299 Aye, that's great to hear. I'm still on Fedora mostly, but if I ever jump ship- that'll be the first place I go. Cinnamon is also an excellent environment and in my experience, played nicely enough with games / VDIs & all the like. I don't meddle in games as much nowadays, but from what I've experienced, gaming is getting very compatible nowadays. I don't believe there are any games I can't play that I frequent. What a lovely time to be a Linux nerd.
I did two Bullseye to Bookworm upgrades and they were perfectly smooth with no issues. Well done, Debian! 🎉 I have a couple more to do, but holding off because they run some critical software written in PHP and I'm not sure that software is PHP 8 compatible.
Yes, I have done two Bullseye to Bookworm upgrades at work. I still have two to go, and I have to upgrade the Web server from Buster to Bullseye (which I normally would have done by now, but I ended up being busy with other things when I would have done it). I have gone through and fixed/rewritten all of the deprecated PHP code, but I will have to do that all over again to prepare it for the upgrade from Bullseye to Bookworm. Of course one of my Bullseye to Bookworm upgrades is on a hypervisor for some of the other servers which are virtual machines. I have to be careful about that one. It looks like it should go smoothly, but I have to make sure I have backups of the virtual machines just in case I have to deploy them elsewhere.
UPDATE: I completed all the upgrades. I did have to tweak a bunch of the PHP code, but the bulk of the changes were done with an automated script that changed constructor names from the class name to __construct. I hate PHP.
I just downloaded and setup LMDE and it is very good. I tried linux lite and found it stable but would not play my games . I was able to get Win11 to run on my R3 2200g system and get it to activate with the win10 as an upgrade. I used another way of doing it. I downloaded the ISO to my win10 and then created a new win11 folder to w in root. I copied the iso into win11, mounted the iso, then switched to command line and set it up as win server and win11 went right in with no required checks. Then told the new OS I just changed hardware and it activated. I now have win11 23h2 on unsupported hardware
Many moons ago I used to use Debian, their values, technical know-how and adherence to all things Open-Source was a great inspiration when migrating from Windows back in the day. Thank you Chris, a great look at this Linux Distro!
That NVidea settings program looked brutal. It's 2023 but it looks like something from 1995. It's one thing to complain about modern Windows having inconsistent design language but a lot of Linux distros do as well.
4:07 If you set the root password, sudo is not functional (I believe it is perfectly acceptable if not more practical to have both a functional root user and the capability to sudo for a user). Making sudo functional in this situation requires the user manually to be added to the sudoers group and a few symlinks need to be created. All in all I like the Debian family for its stability and the absence of unwelcome gifts like snap, but I would wish they could clean up their web site and make the installer a little bit more 21st century - the current one reminds of the time when SlackWare was still a thing. Solid video for a solid distro! 😉
This is exactly what I say in the video. :) If you set a root password, the first user will not be added to the sudoers list. Very much agree with your comments.
Well done! Congratulations on stable 12. I've read an estimate in 'Linux Today' that 250 distributions have been created based on Debian. I run Slackware 14.2 & 15.0. Slackware is the oldest surviving Linux distro, predating both Red Hat and Debian...Alas, only 66 distributions have been based on Slackware --OK, you win 🙂
Thanks Chris. Another helpful video. Have to say Debian looks a bit more old-fashioned in the set-up [Bit like Win 95 looked] and a bit more complicated to install than a number of other distros I've tried. I wonder if this is why it isn't as popular as other distros. However, once it was installed it looked really good, though I too am puzzled why Nvidia drivers are available initially. Loving LM with GDE at the present and not tempted to switch, well, not yet lol.
Thanks for your review of this venerable and evolving distro. I'd like to read your view of Mageia 9 after it appears this summer to compare it with Debian 12.
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I recently switched from Ubuntu when I purchased a refurbished pc for my home. It's been a while since I used Debian, and was pleasantly surprised with the gnome desktop & graphics. I am using Flatpak for the latest edition of Libre Office. My reason for switching is simple. I decided to use distros which are not being controlled solely by a commercial entity. Debian has been around for more than 30 years, and has a strong community base supporting it's distro. :) I wish IBM and Canonical well, more can be said about a free and open source GNU/Linux project like Debian.
I enjoy a lot watching your videos, one of my favorites channels on RU-vid, a question: have you ever try using Ventoy instead of Balena Etcher? I think is more easy to try different ISO, in fact one of my emergency USB I fill with important iso to fix any PC or to navigate on Linux in any computer. Greetings from Bolivia 🇧🇴
Thank you for another good video. Although I do not understand why you keep mentioning LXDE - LXQt has been its successor for several years now and is being prepared to be compatible with Wayland. Therefore LXQt is not only the present but also the future choice for a very lightweight full desktop environment.
I talk about LXDE because that -- as the video clearly shows -- is what Debian offers as an option (see 2:39 and 12:56 and 14:39 ). There is no option within Debian's install or desktop selection tool for LXQt.
@@ExplainingComputers I am sorry, but you are wrong: as you can see in your own timeline bookmarks number one and two there IS the option to install LXQt in Debian 12. The option to install LXQt with the installation DVD-1 ISO and with an LXQt live installation ISO has also already been there in Debian 10 and 11.
just installed debian 12 as my main os (after borking my partion table making dual booting infeasible), really enjoying it so far. It could do with a tiny bit more post-install guidance, in particular setting up sudo and so forth, but overall the process has been quite smooth.
thanks for this video Chris i've installed Debian 12 on a old i5 laptop i didn't know what to do with runs like a dream :). Thank for your very easily to follow install guides an your fantastic channel as a whole
I'm currently using Debian 11 as the base for Openmediavault, Roundcube, piVPN, Dokuwiki, and have used pihole an Debian, too. It's a great piece of software.
I agree that in 2023 it's not great that one has to drop to the terminal to install the Nvidia driver. I remember, though, when one had to edit a text file and reboot just to change screen resolutions. Today, this also only affects one graphics card manufacturer, so it doesn't bother me that much. I find myself doing nearly half of my work in the terminal in any *nix OS, too, so it feels pretty natural to me. In Windows, on the other hand, pretty much the only thing I do via the command prompt is ping -t when I'm remotely updating servers.
Not super old for 32 bit though, last I recall seeing was considering dropping 486 support from Linux (386 having been dropped some time ago), this has dropped 586 (Pentium class) as well. Also, leaves an interesting choice... This with Cinnamon (and the need to do the odd tweak), or Mint (how long before it catches up)
This installation process is so familiar to me. In the past weeks I tried couple 32bit distros on my old laptop. I'll probably stick with xfce desktop.
