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I've taken all the bounce lands out of any of my decks. They just slow things down so much. At least with the Ravnica bounce you can use a land and then return it to your hand to pay the cost. Karoo and its ilk really punish you. The only good way to use them is if you have a bad opening hand. I'd take a karoo and a plains over 2 plains but my goodness, that means you're in trouble anyway :-)