Decoders Are Losing YOU Matches in IDV (Here's Why) 

Being honest, as a hunter main I would probably most likely go after decoders, since it helps slow down cipher progress and also due to their weaknesses as well

I never even play decoders anymore. The cipher rush still happens with other survivors who can survive better. It makes me so sad because my Mech skins get no use anymore lol

As a former S badge Explorer main I can confirm. Lower tiers might be okay, but in higher tiers, you typically become a liability for all the reasons Phoenix mentioned. One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video however is that NetEase changed when you can do map selection in rank. They made it available much sooner (around griffin rank) which results in the hunter knowing EXACTLY where the decoder is right off the gate giving you a massive disadvantage as a result. The only way you can really counter this is by having 2 decoders spawn in 2 different spots far away from one another forcing the hunter to choose 1 of the 2 while the other 2 survivors are recuse/assist based because bring someone who can kite or contain is probably pointless. Having a team with VC is almost all but a requirement also.

This is true for the high ranks, but I always lose when there is no decoder in the team at mid ranks, so it depends on the rank, I think.

Can't say I disagree with anything mentioned lol. I'm an A badge Mind's Eye in Griffen ranks and usually I'm okay with kiting due to her ability to see through walls if they're close (her vault speed is gross though). However, area select has been the Bane of my existence since they added that to griffen because the hunter always seems to pick a tile next to me. So I've been playing rescuers and kiters as of late 😅

This is especially true for lower ranks though. Decoders are naturally the weakest kiters in the game, and if beginners that know little of the game play decoders first, the results will often look very.. one-sided. Playing characters like First Officer will give you the ability to easily kite the hunter in any scenario (pocket watch) do easy and consistent rescues (pocket watch tide and illusion) as welll as decoding faster after using your watches. With buffs like brewing effect and both watches used, your decoding gets really good!

everything you say is true, but hiding can be a game changer. i main mech/minds in alicorn and just hide first thing if i feel like the hunter is going to go for me/wait for other surv to ping where hunter is. it loses decoding time but you can easily make up for it with the decoding buffs, and if the hunter decides to try and find you, knowing how to hide well can really screw them over. either theyll give up early and you can decode or theyll search until most ciphers are over half or finished and even if you get caught you just wasted a bunch of time

To me the game is quite failing at being fun at this point. I get that rank is competitive and I get that there are stronger characters, the meta concept exists for a reason- but when I have to drop characters I like because otherwise I won't be of any good to the team, well, what did you even make those characters for? If your character does not have any kiting support, you're basically no good anymore. Easy as that. And that's oh so sad in my opinion. Doesn't really make me want to open the game so willingly any longer.

I’m being honest, As a minds eye minds she deeply needs a buff on vaulting But when I use minds eye I could kite properly with her by using palettes While mechanic is very slowly and her skill makes her slow too , I once kited a geisha ( my main ) To 200 seconds 5-1 ciphers 3 stuns and made the hunter surrender while the rest of the teams who weren’t decoders decoding I agree but I would rather stick with minds eye, nice advice btw

Okay but like, Lawyer can get a vaulting buff up to 12% and a speed buff up to 5% Not to mention he cannot be terrorshocked. Is really that bad?

I agreed, being decoder suck, but it's just so fun playing Prisoner I couldn't stop playing him, but I still learned Painter and Magician as my kiters and Gravekeeper as my rescuer. Gotta be prepared.

I honestly don't play decoders anymore due to the fact that other characters can cipher rush as well as a decoder. And the fact that your so vulnerable in chase makes you a cannon fodder for hunters in early game. I got fed up so i switched to antiquarian and bonk those hunters instead🤣

This is why i use lawyer and explorer the most in the game and ignore the others those 2 decoders can decode and kite as well as sneak around and hide from hunters sight with their abilities maybe in the future we may get more decoder survivors like them

While I mostly agree with the idea that you don't need a decoder and that some are pretty bad, there is a lot of utility decoders bring to the table that this video completely ignores and why decoders should be picked in the first place. Specifically, mechanic, composer, and lawyer all have a very good utility which is their early game value. Assuming that spawns are being picked, decoders are generally going to be chased first which is a huge boon to know. As a decoder, you should start running immediately away from where hunter spawns. This basically means you start kiting before the hunter even finds you. Lawyer does this with his map, composer uses his speed, and Mechanic just prays but we will get back to her. When lawyer or composer do this correctly, you start the actual kite much later than normal. On some maps this can buy 30 - 60 seconds if done right. This way, it doesn't matter if you can't kite as long because 3 ciphers are most likely going to be done by the time you are put in the chair. And in this position it can be really hard for hunters to actually win. Mechanic is a little different though, she essentially hides her bot and dies away from it, then you sell the Mechanic as she finishes the bot cipher and that's also a tie. Or if the hunter kills the bot Mechanic can use the bot for body blocking or getting another cipher mostly done which should also result in a tie. None of this applies to the others because TME dies too quickly and can't do anything on chair, Explorer is too luck based on whether he hides correctly and where his pages are, and prisoner cipher rush is better than you think if he's not chased because the rescue cipher popping is a big deal but he can't do much when found because he doesn't have the speed or utility of lawyer and composer. This does NOT mean you should play a decoder every match but to say that playing a decoder in general is throwing your matches is not true either.

Honestly mechanic would be much better if she didn't recive her nerf.

I can't abandon prisoner 💔

This used to be the case... until Lawyer's kiting got buffed so hard you can barely even call him a decoder anymore lol

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I rrly like Composer, he's a decoder when he can be and not a terrible kiter with his Speed Ability. Paired with Broken Windows and someone who can kite longer than 40s, you can use his Speed twice at minimum in a chase, without using anything consumable. Not to mention its a great tool to rebound kite if you are rescued properly.

A lot of this seems to be very broad without a lot of nuance. The overall point stands, and it’s definitely true for Mind’s Eye and the analysis of Prisoner is good, but you don’t mention how Lawyer’s recent buff could totally change his status (we don’t know yet). Composer is used in tournaments because he can also be a strong kiter due to his speed boost ability. Mechanic’s greatest strength is not decoding, but the ability to have essentially a 5th survivor active on the map, which can do things like open the gate, heal teammates, or even just feed tinnitus, even when she is on chair. For that reason she sees use in tournaments still even after her nerf, particularly when a team needs to go for a tie, she is a very solid tie survivor. She is often banned by hunters who want to play Bonbon because her cipher rush is so strong, even if she’s found early and the team sells, she can finish a cipher. Also, Explorer is very good on some specific maps such as the largest ones, and also Arms Factory where the grass is thick, and he can essentially ignore the way hunters like Photo and Hermit slow down ciphers. Really Minds Eye is the only decoder who seriously should not be played at all.

no because I can always kite the best and like 5 cipher kites when I'm being prisoner- a Luca main

Explorer is great time waster if hunters chase him first and this is seen in tourney play too. And lawyer buffs are really really good. Makes him a good kiter and he can avoid first chase with map or pull distance. Mech can decode in chair which is invaluable.

Lawyer being the meta pick in tournes rn and composer being a high pick last ivl 🍵Explorer almost always in leos memory map pick Also you included embalmer and postman? last ivl they was rarely used in comparison to other characters like wildling, toy merchant, entomologist, composer and professor

If the minds eye is kititng alot like 120 seconds or smth they still wouldnt give up

Finally, I so so agree with you! Nobody has talked about this, 10-30% of decoding progress is good, but not too worth it if you compare it to kiters with 0%, but can kite very long, ill take an example, gravekeeper here has 85% progress, only 15% debuff, however, his graves are very powerful and counters chip hunters, and can also take 2 hits from it Others can also be said like wildling, now this is a surprise, 25% debuff, and he can kite for around 120s, which is very powerful and the debuff is not enough compared to decoders.

I actually agree with this fully cuz lot of ppl play decoders but there kiting skills are just so bad so there better of being any kiter then risking match

I think decoders should be more focused on stealth and non-decoders should have longer decoding to make decorders worth using. It could also make decoder gameplay scarier

Helena can be a good kiter in mind games, since she can see threw the walls

so true.. high tiers hunters are so smart. i choose the character that i can survive very long to get buy more time to my team. and thats the win 😊

I dont think any character should be good at everything, like the meta has changed, as jt is impossible to win with now older hunters like violinist

Mechanic got 5 top winrate and lawyer is not decoder he is kiter now

I used to main Mind’s Eye but after all of these faster hunters coming out and the constant targeting that comes from them, I just don’t see myself playing as her anymore It’s really sad because she’s my favorite survivor but I can’t seem to get out of a match alive with her unless I’m not solo queuing :(

Honestly? Yeah I can see how an argument can be made that decoders are just not that powerful, I say this as a Lawyer main who used to have an A badge a year ago before I stopped playing as much due to external reasons Before, decoders where the important but fragile part of the team, then they became a relatively strong support class since every decoder was also, in some capacity, a kiter after some reworks. But nowadays being a decoder can actually be a detriment because many high tier hunters (or even mid tier hunters that have learned the maps) now know the locations of the ciphers and where a decoder might possibly be. And if you aren't a good kiter or your decoder character isn't well suited for kiting, guess what that means? A chair in the first minute for the team, which doesn't feel good and on occasion can prolong the match

I love the minds eye i always use her nothing will ever stop me from using her 😭🙏

This only partially true and here's why: - Tournaments are completely different things - Explorer is not that easy to find, for The Mind's Eye area selection became an advantage, cuz now u can hit your Cane always to know who is the hunter, since they know your whereabouts anyways. And just stealth, stealth like me 3 ciphers and you're good. - Get better at raw kiting! Using 3 Perfumes and giving the hunter 5 hits is not the ideal situation for example. So a character might be weak if you are not that good at kiting - rebound kite is rarely possible, that's true p.s. I spawned at Leo's main as TME and SAW Wuchang ~30 meters from me, I was just looking at him and wanted to surrender. But you know, I still managed to kite 2+ ciphers.

Playing on Asia, I cry when I see Mechs being picked. I'm sorry, but why do some of the worst kiters PICK the worst kiters. I get playing characters you like. I get playing characters with skins you think are pretty. But there's 3 other people in your team who want to rank up. And then you pick Mech on Moonlit and get stuffed in 20 seconds with no doll out.

I'm a main decoder back then, but I switch to rescuer or assist survivors because I always get found first, especially when playing Prisoner

This is very true but meta changes, Luca brings cipher rush if rescuer rescues and composer works amazing with cheerleader >_< thought the rest was very accurate to meta tho

That's sadly true. In DH if i want to rush, i use dancer, postman or even LG. I have a question bro, what do you think about the cheerleader?

I once did a 5 cipher kite as mind’s eye just because the hunter was so tunnel vision locked on me as the decoder-

i agree with the decoding speed buffs not being eligible but when im playing explorer, (even high rank) they tend to lose me alot because of my hiding. and also explorer doesnt give vaulting notifications and also has a ms buff when he stands still. i definetely think hes slept on

Who goes after Doctors first😂😂

This is why my team has like 2 rescuers and 2 harasses. In tier 5

the greatest thing about lawyer and explorer tho is not their non existent kiting ability ( well lawyer yes on a closed area) but their ability to hide because they can locate hunter. I've member been more frustrated than trying to find an explorer hiding on a random bush. As an A badge lawyer too, the map can really help u see where the hunter is going and just hide until they give up or they find you. either way U give precious time for ur team

That's the reason why I am technically playing what i call rotater(I'm a Luca main) hunter knows where i am, but, i also know where they are coming from. Some are way too persistent to get me so i end up rotating for 3 ciphers or even 4, basically I'm buying a lot of time without depleting my teams' resources which gives us a higher chance to win, mostly it actually works out due to the most of the hunters basic persona build detention+trump card, they don't gain a lot of presence and end up chairing first survivor at 2 ciphers, especially if Seer is on the team

I just use Dancer as a decoder. She has good kiting potential as well as heal.

I disagree.those you talked about that dont have any kiting tools i agree with what you Said but,prisioner Can kite better than coordinator and some other kiters,his shock stun IS kinda big and he doesn't have any debuff for kiting+his shock gets back rll fast,If you can Just spam pallets,It Will give you enough time tô get the shock back and the shock IS Just like flywheel:you did a mistake,you are gonna Go down,you use shock,you get to a pallet and the rest IS the rest.and prisioner Can harass by Canceling hunter's Powers,can rescue well by Canceling Hunter's ability(and with Jack he shocks him tô block him tô throw the dog in Just one direction,then prisioner Just dodges the fog).making prisioner bê able to cipher rush If not found and kite the Hunter If found,was already a big mistake,then they introduced composer that does what?exactly,If not found cipher rush,If found kite.again,with no debuffs for kiting,Just tools for It.then,Just to put more suffering for Hunter side,they have lawyer,that already had the no terror shock,more kiting tools...again.three decoder that can cipher rush,can kite,can rescue normaly even escaping from the Hunter,with no kiting debuffs.and,Just só we ALL can remember,in the decoders faction description It,basicly,says:"excells at decoding but,needs other survs' help tô survive from the Hunter",as previously mencioned,decoders are high risk,big Reward(cipher rush but If found,doing faster).but Netease Just wanted to buff then again.as If they are bad at what they were made for.

Mech is a very bad decoder and a very situational kiter, the last update destroyed her.

Hello !! Violinist , Nightwatch and somehow a Prisoner main here ( NO BADGE OR ANYTHING BY THE WAY , DONT TRUST ME TOO MUCH ) , I don't play survivor rank much because of the queue time but I'd say it's really based on the players and if they're used to those characters . I've seen Mind's eye and Mechanic **mains** ( emphasis on mains since most people who don't kite well as TME and Mech are people who've never used them before ) kite longer than containing characters . Does that mean containing characters are bad ? Well , of course not ! It's really the player and the hunter's knowledge of the character(s) and who they're facing , also a bit of a reason why I don't really believe in a " meta " . Now this might just be because I'm just in cobra hunter tier but I've seen doctors make the mistake of waiting pallets against Violinist and Perfumers waste their Euphoria on strings as I wait at their perfume area . Although I'd agree with how their survivability itself is pretty bad , some might even call them weak which I wouldn't disagree with since they genuinely have no kiting abilities to help prolong their kite unlike maybe Prisoner and Lawyer ? TLDR : Not on the characters , its all on the players and their strategies or knowledge . No character is truly weak ( depends on how you interpret " weak " ) but some have little to no kiting abilities .

While I do agree that sometimes decoders can be a liability at times (I say this from experience as a Wu main, downing a Mech's robot constantly), I think the most important for a win, tie or loss match is always the team set up... and more importantly, how well they can cooperate with each other and the character they've chosen- I'm still relatively new to griffin rank but from what I can see, you can have a decent set-up of people from an outside perspective... but still lose HORRIBLY if those using the characters are mediocre with their characters or don't have a balanced harmony with the team as a whole. (-Ahem- I say this from a match I had with an ench who could barely kite but proceeded to be toxic with the rest of her team.) Though, this is just personally my own take on it 🤷‍♀️

As a B badge minds I would say she needs only walls

Mechanic is a sandbag and not useful after all the nerfing she's got, you cannot change my mind on this, it's actually better to have a rock as a teammate than mech at this point

Watch me composer my way out (gosh what made me play decoders at the first place?) maybe I should get postman if I get enough clues…. Or just try using acrobat instead maybe…

Strong team >>> fast decoding team

I remember playing as explorer did a good 3 cipher kite after vio tried find me for a good 30 secs since i was hidding But we lost bcs late rescue (idk why they were randos nearby) + At primed instead of healing to force hit then prime rando just stayed here... Looking-

The way I can cipher rush the hunter is by dancer +3 music boxes and in Les then 50 seconds it's done like you had LG with you

I actually have a question is there a way to improve the state decoders are in? Like if netease gives decoders kiting abilities?

Composer is bbg

Honestly at this point I play minds eye to draw the hunter’s attention lol

I do not care minds eye funny girlboss haha cute also she has wall hax which actually makes her a p good kiter…in some areas.

Explorer can turn small and not having to worry being found, although if you are unlucky and get caught, its more likely you lose

So sad because I want to play minds eye so bad I love Helena but I'm just not good enough if a kiter

I just want to play decoders and , mind eye has weak in vault over window , I wish they buff her skill . Hunter stop being pester on mind eye . There others are easy to catch than her.

me watching this after an explorer in rank get double hit as soon as he gets find and causes us to lose

Lawyer is the best for kite

I don't care, mind's eye is blind and has a cane. I'm playing Mind's Eye.

DO NOT BLAME MY MECHANIC😢

Actually, mind’s eye is born to kite =))) hunter will lose 8 seconds if they don’t move when she use her skill, and if they do, they will waste more time just to find her. However in high ranked no one do that, hunter with great control power will just find who which they counter (I’m Ann main and I often chase the first officer or journalist first)

I just recently started playing this game and I really liked Mind's Eye and Composer. However, I realized that they have very low survivability and are just fodders for hunters so I changed to using assists instead.

exactly why i stopped using decoders

you been kiting more 60sec but you need help from team , people don't help obs hunter which give more time distracted

I think they nerf Postman's decoding speed to 10% instead of 20%. But I still love Postman as decoder/kiter/assist

I hate those who can't kite but still choose to play mind eye

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not you using a quote from a team that got embarrassing losses in the last tournament 💀

Composer: Am I a Joke to you?

but what if i know how to kite and im just using a decoder as a strat to either chase me or get chipper rushed

:(

If you play at leo memory map and asylum helena really op she can just walk away after using skills since the big ass map

I find it easy to counter most hunters with Mind’s Eye, but it is harder with randoms since they really pull the dumbest stunts most the time. Another problem is that her vision makes it hard to scan the area, which is quite a major setback. Aside from that I just give her knee jerk reflex and a speed persona build and she’s good to go.

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