DEF CON 30 - Roger Dingledine - How Russia is trying to block Tor 

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I had heard about it but I installed it now too.

U called?

...And that sometimes hard to take, But it will become much clearer With every new choice you make.

If the bridges are typically volunteers and not real websites, a state actor would just block the IP and not care what the key is, right?

You might want to have a look at the Helium network - but on the Internet instead of wireless. One problem, though: just because some node transported your proof of transport doesn't mean it will also transport your actual traffic.

@@thewhitefalcon8539 Right, but if you encrypt the traffic and the proof so that the node doing the transport can't tell the difference. Designing it right to have all the right incentives would be hard but u could probably get at least a probabilistic guarantee they'd transport traffic.

@@petergerdes1094 Good idea.

@@petergerdes1094 You know, if you have the time you could actually make this.

@@petergerdes1094 hmm i like where this is going, in a sense.. but.. hm..

"few rednecks in pickups vs US military, anyone can see that outcome". Yeah I think usa and Russia thought the same about Afghanistan...went great for the two largest superpowers vs a bunch of "goat herders".

@@bryant2627they had mountains to hide in. It’s a totally different gorilla war fare in them mountains. The afghans also were born into defense due to the Russians trying to invade and the cia gave them old Cold War stockpile anti air missle sand old aks delta force or green beret probably taught them basic combat concepts and outcomes. That or cia. The afghans are the best at walking threw them mountains. Special forces said they are like goats there so strong from walking mountains all there life they say in the hub where they work up mission plan that if a afghan gets his legs around you your dead you won’t be able to get him off.

If WebRTC works on your connection then Snowflake works. ISPs want WebRTC to work, because that's like, Discord voice chat.

Relays are public information.

@@thewhitefalcon8539 even IP public addresses are but you still try to hide it :)

@@ivanslaboratory The IP addresses of all Tor relays and the real-life owners of most are public info. That's how you know you're not getting an evil relay

@@thewhitefalcon8539The identity being published does not mean is legitimate, could be name borrowers. Same as your public IP address could be someone's elses. :) To my knowledge exit nodes are public info, so that can be blocked in case :)

Using Tor for DDoS is such a big brain move.

@@JGnLAU8OAWF6 I know. But some russian banks was unhappy even on this traffic.

Russia has plenty of out of country proxy’s to access tor from. The damage caused be helping the Russian people see all the facts of the war is worth the effort

@@tobysonline4356 You forgot to put "facts" in quotes.

No. Tor not used only by "bad ones". FSB and other f*ckfaces are most likely have their own VPS in Europe, legally bought by the way; yes, you still can buy VPS with Russia's bank account, and maybe Im already gone insane, but I think "normal" russians can get problems with police if they look into your account and find that you bying proxy for yourselves, and god forbid you use it to do something that "descriminates army of Russia". Tor is just too slow in general and often connections are just dying, but it's nice to have, especially when you don't want to install random "VPN" crap on your computer and have accounts for it.

@@tobysonline4356 poor us Russians w/o access to BBC LMAO westoids are so delusional

Why would I want to hear from both sides of that conflict?

@@johngiaus8632 ...because not doing that is the exact definition of information bubble and you need to educate yourself on that?

​@@johngiaus8632 The Ukrainian government could lie or censor news to paint themselves in a more positive light or preserve military secrecy, while Russian media reported on which city your friends live in just got hit with a missile strike. You need to be able to piece together the truth for yourself from multiple sources

several reasons ukrainians or other people in ukraine could want safe comms with people in russia. the biggest group are family connections, second group is businesses and organizations operating in both countries. pro-russia operators in ua are probably not numerous enough to contribute much to such stats.

Absolutely right.

Ok, and _Who_ defines the disinformation exactly?

​@@fus132the integrity initiative.

not correct

Yes it is tor uses distributed centralized matching servers and if you proxy dns through tor it normally goes to cloudflare you can send clearnet dns to cloudflares onion service but that still requires trusting distributed centralized matching servers that can be poisoned by the NSA using there quantum computer to steal private keys then redirecting all traffic to a fake version of the site that sends malware to all users that's why I put ssh behind wireguard psk behind udp tunnel behind tor for ddns so they won't be able to poison my service because they won't know the psk and all pre quantum encryption should be considered broken because the NSA has a quantum computer and my ISP does DPI to block only hosting onion services so everything I said is true

It doesn't matter whether your bridge is in a fascist country (like the one you are in). Your bridge doesn't know what sites you are accessing. I know you live in a fascist country because you wouldn't need a bridge otherwise.

Yes it does matter because they can block only hosting onion services by doing DPI on the output from the bridge and it is terrible security to use a bridge in the US, EU, 14 eyes, or any other country that does any internet censorship because your bridge and exit node are more likely to cooperate and de-anonymize you and your bridge is more likely to be compromised by the NSA so I exclude all of them and my tor service refuses to connect to any bridge hosted in those countries so you are wrong also bridges are necessary for anyone that cares about privacy not just people that can't connect to tor because bridges obfuscate tor use just like tor over vpn but it is harder for the US government to get search warrants for them because at least in US law node operators aren't responsible for any tor traffic so they have no reason to help the government unless they are a fascist because the government can't threaten to arrest them because there are already laws protecting them from that because it was invented by the US government and they wanted other people to help hide their traffic

@@josiahsharkey7520 The output from a bridge is still encrypted 3 times. You might be confusing bridges and exit relays. The output from an exit relay is still encrypted 1 time unless you don't use HTTPS which you should always use with Tor.

@@thewhitefalcon8539 that's not true it isn't encrypted well enough to hide the difference between client and server even on the first hop my ISP blocks only onion services so DPI can tell the difference even with 5 layers of encryption on the data using ssh, wireguard, and tor and do you really think the NSA can't get a certificate trusted by a root CA in your browser to man in the middle the output of the exit node so https isn't real security against nation state attackers and if the bridge and exit node cooperate you lose all anonymity unless you use post quantum security and there are enough people like me that run post quantum security over tor on the same circuit and using https on an onion service loses all anonymity unless you require adding a hybrid post quantum root CA to every users computer and run your own CA I don't need this level of security, privacy, and anonymity because I am only using it for remote access to my computers I don't have active nation state attackers but other people do and if I use this level of security it helps protects them from being traced because they can't rule me out as their target as easily

"Translate to english" 😂

Лично я надеюсь что роскомпараша наконец додумается перестать сливать мои налоги в унитаз и расформируется