Defeating VRChat Rippers (Intro) 

I was a huge client user and I've been banned 37 times due to it, but since I have matured since then when I look back at what did. I feel ashamed of most things I did such as ripping avatars. I know there's not much of excuse if I only ripped public avi's and such but seeing most children use clients just to be annyoing gets my blood boiling

They banned client mods because people were using them for stuff like this, but people are still doing this stuff and people who used mods for accessibility got screwed

You can't stop ripping. VRChat is right to not even try. Ultimately, the client has to be able to display the avatar. So no matter how you try to encrypt or convolute the avatar data, the method for correctly decoding it is right there in the client to be reverse engineered. You mention an anti-ripping tool that you imagine would stop ripping if VRChat just incorporated it. But if they did, hackers would just make a better tool to defeat it within days. The only reason such a tool will work at all right now is because it's not been popular enough to be worth the effort to defeat. But if VRChat incorporated it, it suddenly would be. What you're talking about is a form of DRM. And just look at the decades of history of how well DRM hasn't been able to stop or even slow down piracy. All efforts to implement DRM have ever done is hindered legitimate users, and that's the same way it would work with efforts to block rippers. So as much as I hate rippers, too, I'm glad that VRChat refuses to go down that path.

See this is why when it comes to model ripping, I only rip models from games where the artist has already been paid for their work anyways from a product I purchased myself, hence why I see no issue ripping models from say PS2, Gamecube and even more modern PC games and etc, but ripping models from an indie creator who personally made their avatar or when the models are specifically supposed to be private, it really hurts especially to see talented creators who sell their models have them stolen, ripping isn't a solely bad practice, but a lotta people abuse that power and use it with more sinister intentions

Immediately recognized the Furality Sylvia world and remembered how many avatars got ripped from it. Good thing I didn't use my main for it

Ik it's bad But like Just bc i love it and use it all the time i don't like getting harassed that its ripped idrc its sad But it's not my problem just bc i use it doesn't mean I support it nor am one

Im so happy i dont need to pay for people garbage lol, everyone keep ripping so we can scam these terrible scammers!

it also make it so only ppl who fully show your avatar can see it wich would be annoying af to explain 24/7

would this antirip prevent the ripper from getting ahold of your textures? because if they already have the model and just liked your textures, all they would have to do is rip the avatar and just apply the textures onto the working model.

The problem is that "3D artists" like you want 60$ for an avatar that is outdated and doesn't even work, and you'll have to spend 8h to try to fix something just to make it halfway usable. So I understand all people who rip avatars. Sell a quality product, get quality pay. Sell shitty product, get ripped.

Lots of people whining on VRChat Discord right now about being permabanned for ripping.

The philosophy of ripping intrigues me, honestly... there's times where I've wanted to yoink someone's avatar for working purposes because they pulled off an effect I didn't understand or I wanted to spend time studying prop/texture tech, but that's something I could just as well ask nicely about or go sniffing for online. People who steal the work and owned property of others for what I can only see from the outside as a sadistic pleasure in getting on people's nerves and/or ungainfully having access to higher-quality avatars than what's typically public access... it reeks of a childish mindset. Of someone who never realized the emotional hurt of having someone sneak their weekly allowance out of their pocket or letting an acquaintance borrow a game only for it to come back with your years-long save file gone. Sure, it sounds petty to be upset by such violations on a surface level, but one could have just as easily been afforded the respect and dignity of being a fellow human being-the simple act of holding up a civilized society. It's the intent and motive to go against that natural conduct to benefit selfishly that deplores the people that do this kind of thing. Pickpockets, shoplifts, conmen... rippers.

i cant believe this isnt a joke

Its nice, but using it makes updating avatars take 10 times the time and effort, it also completely breaks some Osc protols, such as haptic vests etc. Also, it doesnt support any android buildable shaders

truth is you cant stop ripping... if game developers could stop piracy if it was even possible i bet they would... you just gonna live and except ripping has been apart of life since the first console game and be happy not a lot of people do it. another problem is people who dont read terms of service and still trade and give away made models and stuff. so even if ripping did go away all it takes is a "hey you bought that model ill buy it off you for the files for a lesser price" tupper is right it cant be solved fully people would just make a new ripper and your right most rippers are smooth brains but all it takes is to ask a non smooth brain ripper to "take out kanna" and most do before posting your content online they have there own little market places (just like most game devs have anti piracy tactics but people still by pass them and post them on there piracy sites)

Rippers are good lol I'm such a jackass

My secret is to have the most generic ych sona so no one wants to rip my avatar

I haven't been to vrchat in a while. So ppl are "ripping" off of creators of a model the original creator created and it's been a big problem. But you can prevent someone from stealing your model and doing whatever to it, but it can be prevented by using this person named "kanna protecc " who has a code that the original creator of a model can use for their work so whenever someone else tries to steal the model it will turn out to be messed up. Did i get that right? If so then i would need this when I try to make my own model

Me after getting mad that my 65 hour redrocket furry gets ripped:

assets and textures can still be taken separately with out the effects of the script messing up the meshes. sorry

Welcome to VRC

You should check out Ripper by JohnieCanine. It's a rap track and sums up the the frustrations of Rippers

I am a coding technician for a game company and i play vr chat a lot. In my free time mainly. Ive only discovered about ripping about a year ago and now that im looking into how people rip avis, its very concerning. Truth is the way people rip is simply either hacking your acc, finding an avatars pipeline id, using 3rd party software that bypasses the default coding of an avatar projection or they will just buy an avatar from payhip or whatever and then upload the files to ripperstore or vrmodels.

Honestly been working on my personal avi for a week or 2 now and I'm afraid of someone ripping my avi so I was going to put my username on the forearm like a tattoo lol I'm trying out Kanna Protecc rn!!!

I used mods before eac but it was only quality of life mods

Sadly this will never not be possible Its vrchat wer talking about....and they sadly dont want to do much about this.,.. Even if the store is "down" this dosnt mean that ppl are out there still doing it. Dont get me wrong i know its a bad thing to do, but sadly you cant stop it.

Heck ye

aaaannd it just got bypassed just by going into vrchats cache folder, no programs needed and you get the full FBX model...

lets use kannattack, its like this but when ripped it tanks the tippers pc and life

Its just a model bro, it's ok just let it happen.

Half year pass and avatar ripping still easy, anyway most avatars is unoptimized piece of crap what need tens hours for fixing all wrong weights, topology, bone constraints, bad anatomy, texture problems and etc... so rip is better way.

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Why do they only need your username? How does that make sense??

you're next

I Love ripping!!! :)

Coming across this video now and kanna's arrogance and ego is above and beyond. They would literally beg/insult people to show them faults. Not sure why this is a good alternative, They took over somebody else's work and added onto it and renamed it. As glorified as this is, Your avatar will be ripped if somebody has the knowledge and skill to do so. This is not neccesarily a deterrent, more like a proxy against easy swaps and rips. But anyone can find somebody skilled enough to gpu load or rip hotloaded avi's. Most of these people are nobodies, and nobody wants your avatar as much as you think you do. Just putting a deterrent will make people want to take it even more funnily enough. Either way this is vrchat's problem and they are at fault, Not the rippers. It's obvious they can't make a somewhat comprehendable system to negate ripping cause of investors.

Im just confused how "ripping" is a problem like okay u use the same Avatar as me and? Maybe Im to used to modding and how open that community is and how aggressive it is against paid mods.

These are horrible, horrible people...

im too smooth brained to rip avis anyways, i cant get the shit to work

LMAO its a game, womp womp. If i see you bragging about your "custom avatar" (aka just putting a hat on a base model) im gonna rip it and make it public🤷‍♂️ It's a 3d model, not your identity.

good heavens someone is using my hecking rusk edit without my explicit permission its never been more over...

ok how about this, dont care if people steal your stuff 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱