DEFEND THE WONDER vs 4 Players | AoE2 

Wonder in the corner, shorter trade that can be defended (where you put the wonder to other corner). Onion walls around wonder (layers) with BBT between them, only BBC or trebs can deal with that and your mamelukes or hussar eliminate them. Only 1 layer of walls with part of it being trees is to easy to get melee units to the wonder.

"your stove in the middle of the playroom" Hera needs to stream the Sims

This was a fantastic format, well done! Love the wonder objective. I think you learned that walling in this case is absolutely essential. Just having 2-3 vills in mid castle age walling the entire map would've made a huge difference. Walling trade in michi is a must, especially when you're outnumbered, you have to force engagements where you want them to be- and Saracens was an excellent civ for that. Please do more of these defend the wonder vids in the future!!!

Having played a bunch of Michi in TG’s Walling the map is super important. It funnels them a lot, and makes it harder for them to maneuver their armies. Normally we try to wall at the front, which slows them and makes it harder to push at multiple fronts, whilst walling behind to keep the trade route (and the wonder in this case) safe. Maybe coordinating with spanish to wall in advance could have helped too ;)

poor guy getting kicked at the start, just wanted play with hera😢😢

Great timing on the video now my food won't be cold 🥰

Awesome, I'd love to see another try! Also seeing Teutons in such scenario would be epic, there've a solid defensive setup

I get it when he talks about aoe2 being timeless fun. I have been playing age of empires since it was a microsoft demo in 2nd grade. 33 years old now and I still play, usually by myself but I have played with friends and online. Sometime I will just play a match just to relax at the end of the day.

Should have had Spanish teammate build the wonder would have gone up a lot faster plus Hera could just focus on getting some SO faster to defend with walls

0 walls 11, that was a mistake

"300 years" The video has 8 minutes left. Damn 😂😂😂

“You’re lucky you’re not getting deleted” 😂

Hera seemed to forget the scenario is “Defend the Wonder”, not “Defend the Trade.”

"It seems winnable on both sides". You seem to forget that one side has the guy who just broke the world record and basically dominated the pro scene last and this year. Love the content. More of this please :) Edit: Spoilers... Nvm

Loved this style of us attacking the wonder and you defending it. It felt quite balanced and it was a lovely fight!

this was a really fun concept! Please more of this!

@Hera - Age of Empires 2 Did you realise you can repeat the market/gold-trick anytime in the game you have some spare time? It will always give you more gold if the trade cart has to move less than half the map to the market you select. What do you think about that? For practice: - Go to a market corner - double click a trade cart - send all selected trade carts to the market next to them - repeat on the other market corner - repeat anytime you can spare time = get a lot of more gold

Really epic video. Something fun being on the defense when you are slowly getting pushed back.

GG. It was like being eaten by the zombies at the end.

You like, you stay hydrated

when they were at the 20 minute mark and no walls were up i knew this was gonna end poorly

"Joe did a good job" Broo Joe carried your ass, slinging you 😂😂😂😂

@Hera wonder in the corner is better since less sides to attack the wonder. Put towers, bbts around wonder and your base to protect without adding Pop. Make many layers of Walls for wonder so that they cant easily snipe the wonder

Walls across the entire map + BBC and SO is the way for Michi if you are going defensive. It would also be when your micro would have the most impact. An open fight with raw units plays to the strengths of low elo players. For sure winnable though.

i'm surprised they didn't castle age rush much earlier since they have khmer to cut w/ ballista ele

Would love to see how you and another pro do. I like the wonder idea! Very cool to watch

Great video especially for the first time doing this. I think next time maybe you need 400 pop each on your side and also a rule for no cut allowed till the wonder is up

Sick vid, thanks Hera!

Great game, I hope to see this again but with a bit more planning around how to defend. (EDIT: I just checked the map, I don't know if it would be fairer to have a modified version of this map with a few more gold/stone for the defenders.) I would of built the wonder slightly further forward, actually put a full wall around it (BrentTJo mentioned onion layering). Basically the lack of redundancy walls around the wonder just letting paladin ride on up. With a further forward wonder, you let the trade go behind instead of through it. You protect part of the trade route AND the wonder at the same time. Castles are good for holding fixed positions but towers offer wider coverage for less stone, if you have a civ with strong towers like Koreans, Japanese or Georgians even better. Michi players also pointing out lots of just walls up front in general. I probably would of used houses as another wall instead of building them off to the side. I might be a 1100 ELO scrub but I do like to pride myself on making my bases obnoxious to attack.

should've put the wonder a little further forward so the trade could've run behind it. also walling the trade would've been good i think

Wonder Victory should be unlocked in ranked games

One or two (or three) square layers of wall right against the wonder could have helped keep it alive until they could bring trebuchets or bomber canons. Maybe not for 160 years though.

nice game format, looking forward to next one

You could also play king of the hill in these, that way you would save 3k res and thus have more chance. You can customize maps to place the wonder on your side of the map.

6:18 don’t tell Hoang, he might take it as a challenge 11

PLEASE TRY AGAIN!!! This was awesome next time: Have extra pop, maybe +50 for both in this case. That's because I think u needed at least 100 mameluke on the field to have 2 big armies + siege Make a few extra walls just to save some time and protect the trade from a few from those raids. Have the spanish ally build the wonder, and build it closer to their base so yours stays untouched. Not just because you are the better rated player, but because mamelukes would carry way harder than anything spanish could do here.

maybe a fatslob approach? walling all the map, and build the wonder instantly when you're imp

Wonder in the cooooorner!! IN THHEEE COOOORRNEEEEER!!!! Really fun game btw!!

T90s low elo legend video pf the legend of the onion is a good tutorial on how to wonder defense. Do a full onion wall build with lots of idle vills to build walls quickly in layers, BBC to keep the push back from the walls, and keep them patrolling to repair / add layers when enemy attempts to cut through. especially when you have uneven teams. defending a wonder is all about buying minutes and walls mean extra minutes for your defense to hold strong despite enemy comp.

Smh..kicking the guy at the start😂Money has changes you hera

Put the wonder in the corner and surround it with many layers of wall and towers!

Great one!

AGAIN AGAIN!!! I"M READY FOR ANOTHER! I WILL BE WAITING TOMORROW TO WATCH ANOTHER DO ANOTHER TONIGHT

I enjoyed that one, when do you upload the revenge? :)

Defend the Wonder, but not the game mode

You should wall in front of the big woodline in different layers when going late on michi. Walling to woodlines never works here since every team already has a way to cut wood anyhow.

You had the perfect walls in MARKETS. just spam markets all over the map. Completely block the whole passage

This is awesome, but why didn't you just use the defend the wonder gamemode?

15:30 When doing this trick, do you have to micro the carts or constantly redirect them to the correct markets?

How about letting Spanish player do Fast Imp and build the wonder faster using its civ bonus, then the same player gets in charge of just secure the map and trade by walling in rings (attack of titan style), while Hera booms eco and focus on defense creating choking points and smashing units with siege onagers.

I think maybe have walls touching the wonder like what you do to deny rebuilding failed castle drops just to minimize units surrounding wonder and then u jus need to snipe bbc and trebs that would range it

You need to do King of the Hill next!

Hera should at least stone wall the wonder along its side, even paladin arrives, it still defend them from attacking wonder directly.

you don't even need your team mate or mates to make a market on your side, just make multiple markets their side, one on yours. High pop games karts jam up too, so way to avoid this, one market on flat ground with 3 tiles space all around, good for 400 karts and not one will idle 😉 Also, you should have walled the trade at the back, you can always farm in that stretch at the back then too and just buy wood then if needed! In this game you quickly lost trade and farms, you dead 👻

Could be interesting with amazon tunnel and then do a Fatslob strat

I'm confused as to why he didnt pm his teammate to do the market strat when he was explaining it Also I really hope you revisit this scenario soon with some updated tactics!

Awesome video

I think playing on michi is not your advantage, quite the opposite. You can wreak havoc in the early game with your insane multitasking. Then transition to a defensive setup. You are not gonna be able to boom as peacefully, but your opponents will suffer much more. This way even I can somewhat keep up with your economy. And then it's just 4 fully boomed players vs 2.

Would it make sens too lure the boars with the Scout to let your vill gather a little more res?

Throwing some hype in the comments section for you hera. xoxo

Shouldn’t Spanish build the wonder because of build speed?

Shout out to Mane [LBA], whoever that is, who tried to join and was ejected 🤣

How about a "win without using gold units" challenge? Would that be possible?

Oof, trade gonna get smushed

would it make sense to set up trade between yellow map border and border between blue and yellow. No enemy pressure was there, you build wonder in blue upper corned (2 walls are map border), then you wall it in in millions of walls, defend with siege and wait?

Is your team only working with 200 pop a piece?

Spanish should have built the wonder and it should be in the corner

LOVE this idea!!

Why don't you look at my challenge scenarios, Hera? I spent a lot of time on them...

would not hurt to talk to some one trick michi players, does walls was kinda sad XD im not one of them tho. but has seen some crazy walls with laywers and so on.

what if you do heaps of random scattered walls so it slows them more?

Love it make more

Does anyone ever win with wonder in tournaments?

Again please!

Wooloolo😂

Can you save 1 o 2 newies vs 4 o 5 médium elo?

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"Fifa, Call of Duty, Fortnite, Leage of Legends" I mean...maybe you should just try out good games? Fifa and CoD have been worthless for like 15 years. Fortnite is Fortnite and LOL is just a saltmine. All of them are overrated