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i thought this would be a really bad video when you were just reading the definition at the beginning, but the explanations and the examples following are super helpful
I'm studying logic for computer science at university and this really helped! The visual explanations and examples helped the concepts of supremum and infimum to click in my mind.
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Just wondering why do we use supremum and Infimum? What good are finding the upper/lower bounds of a set? I think I’d solidify these lessons more if I knew what they were used in, but the explanation was really clear and nice! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for watching and great question! I'll mention I don't love doing a bunch of lessons with no particular context, but the most common situation is that someone is learning something in a class - where they're getting more context - and just need some extra help understanding a particular concept, which is why I think its worthwhile to present topics with hyper-focus on the concept itself, without spending too much time on context which the majority of viewers who find this lesson over the coming years will already have from their classes. In this lesson though I touch on perhaps the biggest use of supremum and infimum right at the end of the lesson! By taking the completeness axiom, which guarantees us the existence of infima and suprema of bounded sets, we can "complete" the rational numbers - filling in their holes with all the irrational real numbers. And this completeness is tremendously nice to have. In future real analysis lessons we'll see more powerful results involving bounded sets, and suprema and infima, which will hopefully make their value more clear! And of course, it all builds up a rigorous foundation for calculus which is some of the most useful math ever devised!
Cheaty Hotbeef Someboddyhas reached the top So whatever he says or observes has to be of very high value. In today's times it can be for getting doctorate. Simply put in the given set of values or bounded interval there will be two values Highest is Supremum and Lowest is Infimum. As Cheatybeef says this observation is very very ordinary. If instead of interval a function is taken It will have some value like Function is convergent or divergent real roots or imaginary etc for analysis.
this is the one question you are not allowed to ask a math teacher (or any teacher) , WHAT IS THE POINT OF LEARNING this? answer: one day you will find out (or not)???
@@maxpercer7119 As a topology teacher for 20 years, I wholeheartedly disagree with you. You are speaking from arrogance. Students who are learning new material don't even know what they don't know so it is nice to have something to ground their learning direction. Walking around a subject vacuously is one of the easiest ways for students to get disinterested. For shame if you are an educator.
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The way you explain the concept and rational before just diving into the proofs is very helpful in getting the idea across, and this ultimately makes understanding the proofs and definitions a lot easier. Your proofs are also very good and rigorous. I have a 1st class undergraduate maths degree and I still find real analysis pretty difficult. Im trying to watch your videos ATM as a refresher and to try deepen understanding as im starting to forget this stuff after not studying it for a while and when picking up an old text book on metric spaces it all seemed rock solid again! I get rusty so fast when I stop studying maths. The hardest bit in real analysis that I remember not understanding very well and struggling the most with was about function spaces and uniform convergence of functions (not sure if this is what isknown as functional analysis though?)Also, the in abstract algebra I found in fields was very hard, rings not as much, and group theory was fine.
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These concepts are VERY useful in understanding compact sets which can also help understand uniform continuity. Triangle inequality is op af in analytical math.
Hello doctor, here 8:22 is the set {1/n: n€N} an open or closed set? I think it’s closed as taking x=1 then any delta>0 makes x+delta beyond the set. Is that assumption right or not? Thank you😊
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So, just take any real number, either included in the subset or not, that fits the definition of lower or upper bounds, either the interval is open or closed. Just as long as it's not infinity
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Sorry for the dumb question, but for the last example, if we take Q as our field instead of R, then should not the sup and inf be +1 and -1 respectively?
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Yes indeed! We need to know what numbers are being considered. So if S is the set, the supremum need not be in S, but it must be in the field S belongs to (which field this is can depend on context, since sets can belong to multiple fields we must specify the one we are considering).
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Infimums are the greatest lower bound. 0 is bounded above 1 so it is not an infimum...it is instead a minimum value. Remember the set of natural numbers do not include rational numbers. And 1 is the greatest lower bound of the set of natural numbers.
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Thank you! I disagree for these sorts of videos, because people generally find them by searching for them specifically, and so have already had some form of introduction to the concept. I like to have the definition on screen so anyone who just wants a definition can see it immediately, but I begin this lesson with a simple explanation of what each definition means. For a normal in-person math lecture though, I agree!
How is 1 the greatest lower bound of the natural numbers? The logic used to make one the greatest lower bound would also make 2 the greatest lower bound.
1 is the greatest lower bound of the naturals because a) 1 is a lower bound of the naturals, there is no natural number less than 1 b) there is no lower bound of the naturals greater than 1, we know this because any number x greater than 1 couldn't be a lower bound of the naturals, since 1 (a natural) is less than x. For example, 2 is not the greatest lower bound of the naturals since it is not a lower bound at all, the natural number 1 is less than it.
That's because the infimum is by definition the greatest lower bound, and seeing as 1 is in the set of natural numbers, anything greater than 1 cannot be a lower bound.