that's the same in real life, and always has been, that's why i never got very interested in history, the only history im interested is , ancient one, where humans come from ancient ruins etc.
If you haven't played it I recommend it there is a line in final fantasy 14 I love in one of the most intense scene "the Victor shall write the tale and the vanquish become its villan. But come let us cast aside titles and pretenses and reveal our true faces to one another."
Delita united Ivalice, become it's king, and went on to have a successful rule for many years to come. The people loved and revered him as a hero, while demonizing Ramza as a bleeding heretic. The biggest difference between the two is that the people who were close to Delita and knew him, detested him, while the people who were close to Ramza loved and respected him. When Delita asked "Ramza what was your end in all this? I got this." He realized his failure. I'm not talking about becoming King, I'm talking about his sister Teta. Let's not forget the reason why Delita started down his path. Is this what she would've wanted? What would Teta think of her brother if she saw him dressed as royalty, standing over the corpse of his wife, having killed her because his lies and manipulation literally drove her mad? Delita may have been a hero and successfully ruled Ivalice, but I doubt he was ever truly happy after that. His cruel actions against the ONLY people who ever cared about him, probably haunted him for the rest of his life. Ramza on the other hand rode off into the sunset with his sister, the one person he cared for the most. He wasn't interested in fame, fortune, or heroism. All he did was make the best out of all the bad situations thrown at him, and did what he thought was right. He may have been villainized, but he didn't care. Ivalice was safe and so was Alma, and they both left Ivalice to adventure in another land. Beautiful fucking ending. Poor Ovelia though :(
@@WastedTalent83 Eh, I guess. Delita's story leaves an impact because of its sheer contrast between his and Ramza's story, like a shadow cast upon by light. The two's whole journey, background, and personality (at least at beyond Chapter 1) really play off each other well in painting the game's story and theme as a whole.
How fucking ballsy is this ending? You get this post-credits sequence so it's the last thing the player is left with where your best friend (and someone who appeared to be an undeniable "good guy" for Chapter 1) kills the Princess. No if's, and's or but's...the Princess that you spent all of Chapter 2 trying to save and protect is dead. Not in some glorious, "you guys stay behind so I'll absorb the explosion" type of cliche heroic death either; she's brutally stabbed in the stomach and killed. Let that soak in for a second. The only solace that one can take from the scene is that Ovelia finally got to act and die on her own terms after spending her whole life as a pawn. And Delita realized it's lonely at the top when you sell out all of your friends, choose violence over diplomacy and sacrifice your morals.
ajbahus he lied cheated killed for his own desires which was to be powerful enough to have everything and control everything this phase started when he watched his sister get killed by orders from powerful people. In the end he had that same power but at an intense rate the problem with that was that the same power that killed his sister is the same power that destroyed him. In the end he asked ramza what did he get? Because he knew none of that mattered to ramza, ramza just wanted to do the right thing the moral of the story is that even after achieving worldly desires one still falls in misery this was a well thought out game and this is why this final fantasy will forever be my favorite game.
I think Ramza came out ahead here. Sure, he's officially dead, but that means he can start his life over, away from all the killing. ...But you have to wonder how he escaped Ultima's explosion.
I read a theory that since Ramza didn't use the Zodiac stones and instead sought to use his own power to accomplish his goals when that explosion came (and he had all the Zodiac stones gathered) they teleported him and Alma (and the rest of the party) away from the explosion. It kind of makes sense since the Scorpio zone was used to revive Malak and the stone themselves aren't inherently evil but instead mimic the morality of their wielder.
Just finished this game, the PS1 version, and it's kind of sad. Delita sacrificed everything in order to break away from his commoner roots, in the process he lost everyone and now rules people who don't care about him. He's completely alone.
@@WastedTalent83 Whoa whoa whoa The first 4-5 seasons abso-fucking-lutely are, in some ways on par or surpassing FFT. GoT didn't reach the monolithic heights it did by being mediocre. It was a goddamned cultural phenomenon that ran out of steam and ended on a whimper. FFT(Especially with the War of the Lions added scenes)is, undisputedly, an absolute *masterclass* in narrative and themes and story, of this fact I offer no dispute. The juxtaposition and duality of Delita's and Ramza's stories is absolutely untouchable.
The final battle of Final Fantasy Tactics is Delita vs Ovelia. Player: Enemy: Delita Ovelia HP:999 HP:256 Ovelia attacks Delita with Assassin Dagger, causing 27 damage Delita counters, causing 364 damage
Elite Mermaid Soldier well I don't know about the PSP, but the PS1 version was easily modified with things like gameshark or codebreaker. That cna still be done in emulation. There is a cheat device for psp called CWcheats as a plugin. That can probably do the same.
To add to many of the comments. I believe this scene is also sad because Ovelia isn't even the real princess. She is most likely a commoner choosen to replace the real princess. A commoner just like Tietra/Teta, whom he loved just as much, or at least was supposed to love.
She was a "replacement" Queen. And the source of Delitas power most likely. He prolly became King by marrying her. And if it was discovered or she told everyone she was a fake queen (she knew cuz Vormav told her) Delita would lose rights to the crown. So he had reasons to kill her off.
@@diocletian607 no his reasons was she tried to give him death. but she survives if u were to check on (google) lol but those people who knew had their deaths anyways. but either way hes going to be lonely until death lol
Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN HERE YE HERE YE HERE YE Delita didn't kill Ovelia. She dies of "Stomach" illness later in life (probably stab wound infection) Delita back to being one of the Good GUYS
@@diocletian607 He didn't kill her on the internet a member of the team that made the game explains. Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN
having played this game when i was little, and played it back again from emulator i think that they both have a feeling for each other, because after delita made that promise with ovelia..she felt like hes the only person she have left. but after she finds out the truth, she think that he couldn't be trusted so she tried to kill him in the end. I believe that delita has feeling for ovelia because if he wants to become a king, he could just kill her even before he become king.. it is a very tragic love story and stories like this can be big in the big screen, i hope someday someone can see this story and make it to the big screen
Lavexis I remember how this game slaps you in the face as a kid. The beginning of the game is pretty typical, father dies, take up the sword in his honor, time for a grand adventure! ..."I turned, and walked away." The line that set the tone for the rest of the story, perfectly.
"the truth" being what? I never understand why people think there is a truth. Delita never did a single bad thing to Ovelia. He had to clean all the trash noble people , and he does it, he NEVER once kill a innocent person in the whole story. The only one you could call innocent is the orlandu look alike he kill to let Ramza save the real one. I never saw a single person talking about what is this betrayal of Delita.
@@WastedTalent83 There's more to it than killing people. He selfishly used everyone for his own gains. Orlandeau's family was well-respected throughout Ivalice for its loyalty to Goltanna and the 50 Year War. He threw all that out the window by tricking Goltanna into believing that Orlandeau would overthrow him and then framing Orlandeau for Goltanna's assassination. Delita only killed a look-alike Orlandeau because he was using Ramza to eliminate the church as an obstacle to his claim to power, and having T.G. Cid help Ramza would increase those chances. Otherwise he would have killed Orlandeau without a second thought. Look at it this way: Ovelia is aware that Delita is using people to gain power. He's already used the church, Goltanna, and Ramza's party to become king. And in a way, he used Ovelia in order to get legitimate claim to the throne. Delita probably did love Ovelia and didn't marry her JUST to use her, but Ovelia doesn't know any better. She's been used too many times and feared that Delita would just discard her like the rest once she was no longer of use. Doesn't help that Razma and the others are thought dead and he told her he'd build her a kingdom where they wouldn't get used by using people. Technically she wasn't wrong about Delita discarding her considering how he did not hesitate to stab her back but Ovelia kind of brought her death upon herself - even if she didn't know any better.
@@shivashiham7880 yea she did. I do agree that delita wouldn't stop at anything and I think that's exactly what makes him an amazing character. you see him in despair when he cant save his sister. he ask himself "would endeavor grant me an army?" he just didnt believe in himself back then AND still trusted ramza. and that trust costed his only sister life. I think the way he act is 100% justified. Also see it this way, we know delita is not happy at all in the end.. he always fought for revenge/peace.. and if the only way to achieve that is by behaving the way he did. I say welcome it. who care about nice and right decision when they bring zero results? the kingdom of Ivalice had many years of peace under delitas reign, the game said so. if delita was the shit people think he is, he would have been a crappy king / selfish one. but he wasnt because until the end he was a very good person that had to use does tactics to obtain results/revenge. as we could see, the only one who was strong enough to dirt his hands to make something concrete.
No one knows what he was thinking when he stabbed her back. The way it happened, he acted sad. After she said what she said, he got really quiet, stabbed her, backed away, dropped the knife, and turned. Every other time he's killed someone in the game he just puts the blade away and walks away. Then he tells ramza (talking to himself) "I ...I got this." Delita might have been accepting the fact that he had no friends in the end. All the friends he once had either detested him or are dead. It probably hardened him. And he just accepted that she didn't love him, either. He's very, very alone in the end. Delita is such a complex character. The whole time I played the game I had so much trouble reading him. I never really understood if he was on my side or not. He had him own ambitions, and he succeeded in reaching them. But to what cost?
+LethalSanity i think most of people didnt understand Delita character untill the end, Delita only had Ramza as his friend, and Teta as his family, he NEVER had any other friends. After he lose Teta he long for revenge and do everything he can to get it, and at the same time gain whatever he could gain to have power and bring peace to Ivalice. But after all he did, Ramza still think as Delita as friend, the problem is that they live 2 kind of life way too different. Delita Lives as a man you would find in a real world with real reaction, and REAL emotions, while Ramza lives in a fantasy world with monsters and evil spirits, being the Hero behind the shadows, always good and following justice. We can clearly say that without Delita, Ramza would have stopped the lucavi , but the war would have never ended the way it did. Both are Heroes, Delita is the sad one, Ramza is the classic hero who do all with justice. Delita now days after 19 years, is still my favorite character of all the Rpg i played. Very deep and human like.
+andrea piro Lol Delita was a hypocrite who helped a church start a war so he could become king using the church plot. He hid behind the church power the whole time, then he hid behind goltana power. Delita was no hero which is why no heroes followed Delita. Every single hero of substantial merit and skill joined Ramza because Delita was a hypocritical ass. Delita is such a liar he does nothing about a lying ass church he knows manipulated the war after he becomes king. And how does he know it manipulated the war because he took Ovelia to Goltana when the Cardinal got her. He even lets Olan be killed by the church for writing the Durai papers. Delita was an anti villain if anything. He literally did everything he could to start the war and build his BS kingdom off the blood of the peasants who had to die so his little plan based of the Churches plan could work. An anti hero works for good for selfish reasons. An anti villain like Delita does a bunch of villainous shit like help plots to start wars and selfishly become king. Because they have noble goals like making the kingdom peaceful. Doesn't change Delita was a backstabbing scumbag who conveniently used the whole nation while claiming he'd build a kingdom where people aren't used. Even though, you know. The church is still lying to folks and Delita let's it happen because the people are just puppets to be controlled. Plus the fact Delita was in on the Church plot. Ramza lives as a man too. One who won't sell out their principles where as Delita will very quickly sell his. Quite simply if Delita had a stone and almost died. He'd be quick to sell his soul to a Lucavi demon just to survive and have a chance to still become king. Delita was basically like Wiegraf in reality. And he'd sell his soul just like Wiegraf to a demon if it meant he could have want he wants.
@@kurzweber5002 And when he killed Ovelia he realized what he became and it was too late. While I dont think hes a bastard like you believe one thing for damn sure is the fact that hes not honorable at all because he did save Cid but of course he resorted to what hes been doing all this time and thats using someone to cover it up. If anything he taught me a lesson that dont let your goals blind you to what you are. To him the end justifies the means meaning he was not afraid to sacrifice a lot of people for it. Hes not someone I should be proud of and yet I cant bring myself to hate him, all I feel for him is pity to what he became. Thats why hes probably one of my favorite NPC characters ever written because of his big flaws.
he lied cheated killed for his own desires which was to be powerful enough to have everything and control everything this phase started when he watched his sister get killed by orders from powerful people. In the end he had that same power but at an intense rate the problem with that was that the same power that killed his sister is the same power that destroyed him. In the end he asked ramza what did he get? Because he knew none of that mattered to ramza, ramza just wanted to do the right thing the moral of the story is that even after achieving worldly desires one still falls in misery this was a well thought out game and this is why this final fantasy will forever be my favorite game.
if only people would give Delita what he deserve, he is an amazing character, much better than people give him credit, but its normal since most people can't see under what they WANT to see.
@Raydnt69 yeah, the church burned Orran at the stake, and Arazlam Durai tells the whole story of the game. Did feel Ovelia was pretty stupid for trying to stab Delita, but that happens in real life where the guy is more responsible for striking back, as man comments have shown.
and to me an "ideal life" is living with no regret and knowing YOURSELF that your life had meaning, and ramza did save the world, that's probably the most meaningful thing anyone can accomplish and pretty damn fulfilling even if no one else recognizes it.
For all the people wondering why Olivia stabbed Delita it's because she realized he was manipulating everyone to get what he wants. Even though technically Delita does really "love" Olivia, he's not above stabbing her if she becomes a threat to his manipulation. My interpretation of why he stabbed her was because of 1. The fact that she attacked him meant she will no longer be able to be controlled easily like before and 2. The combination of the woman he "loves" outright blaming him for his best friends death is too much for Delita to bare because like most people he has to tell himself that what he is doing is for the good of everyone (Including the people he loves like Olivia/Ramza/Teta/etc).
Dadiris Agrom Nope, he can easily take that arrow and thrown it away He face a weak frail girl that can't stab him properly in his armor He just took that dagger without hesitation and stab her in one hit , killing her He already understand that her beloved wife hate him and gonna do the hardest to kill him and even if she can't, she know Delita secret and will surely expose it. She gonna become a roading block for Delita further amibiton. IF he let her alive, that scenario gonna happens, that's why he kill her.
Lmao No dude, that's not gameplay, Delita is not imortal in cutscenes, you would know that from Marach dying from one hit to save his sister, when it would take many to kill him in gameplay. "He face a weak frail girl that can't stab him properly in his armor" And yet he was all fucked up after being stabbed.. if he hesitated to kill her, what would've happened if she tried to attack again? when delita was already damaged and wasn't able to move? he would have died. Period. I really don't believe Olivia is incompetent to the point of not being able to finish off a wounded soldier. Let me repeat again, a character may have 1000 hit points in gameplay, it takes only one hit to kill them off in cutscenes, unless they are not meant to die. Yes, even for some reason if he spared her there and she didn't wanted to finish the job, you know.. because she tried to KILL HIM, she would probrably have tried to kill him again, and it's not really a smart idea if you let someone who is trying to kill you live in the same roof and sleeping in the same bed.
That was exactly what I thought when I played this game when it came out! Like word for word. So amen brotha! He essentially had no choice because he knew it was likely she would eventually kill him (in his sleep one would assume). Also he probably did take that very personally that she accused him of killing Ramza. Which is possibly the one thing even Delita would never have done.
In my case, I'm wasn't a fan of his job initially appearing too generic and unspecial. However, by going clever meta gaming, along with Reis, they are both outrageously strong.
Well, in FF14 we learn the plot in 1997 FFT that's narrated by Arazlam is in part fake created by him to give Ramza a happy ending, and he made his son, daughter and all his theatre company act it as a stage play. Sadly in FF14 we only watch the beginning and the actors practicing some lines.
@@Garl_Vinland Ramza is together with alma at the end. FF14 shows us that Ramza's soul stayed there for centuries waiting for the next resurrection of Ultima.
I dream with writing an adaptation of this story for a TV series. I have so many great ideas. One of those: The casting for Delita and Ovelia's roles has to be done using this scene as a basis. Sadly, I'm pretty sure many people would say that I'm "ripping off" Game of Thrones' lacklustre ending, when in fact this game was done many years before that
When I saw the GoT ending, I immediately thought of this scene. On a side note, I also thought Breaking Bad's ending was the same as Cowboy Bebop, so I may just be reading too much into things...
I always hated Delita after this. But at the same time, I understand why he killed her. Ovelia was a liability at this point. She was blinded by her emotions...the deaths of her friends, seeing everyone she cared about being played as pawns, etc. And she would expose Delita for his numerous betrayals. It would ruin everything he worked so hard for, to bring Ivalice under a peaceful rule. But damn Delita, that was the moment made that made you a piece of shit in my eyes.. She didn't deserve that. I will keep saying that no matter how many times people justify his actions...
So, I have played this game through multiple times, and it is one of my all time favorite RPG's. That being said, I only just learn TODAY that Ovelia stabbed Delita here. Whenever I've seen this scene, I though she surprise-hugged him tight. I had always wondered why he would take out a knife and stab her so unnecessarily, but I guess it makes slightly more sense now. Delita was one of my favorites. Ovelia was great, too. UP until today, I thought that she suffered the most undeserving of all of Delita's victims, but I guess I needed to look just a bit more closely.
The truly brutal part is that he didn't die here, as the brave story indicates his reign went on a long while. Relegated to true isolation from the very few he once knew or loved. But one hell of a king!
I was so sad when Delita killed Ovelia, she was the only one who believed him besides Ramza and he stabs her when she confronts him about his manipulation,
@PaulosTheGamer I am angry about his ability to forget all about his sister while stabbing Ovelia. Just replace her for Ovelia. She would also doubt he wouldn't hurt her but kill her also. Even Ramza being in another dimension prevents the answer would he try to KILL RAMZA??
Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN HERE YE HERE YE HERE YE Delita didn't kill Ovelia. She dies of "Stomach" illness later in life (probably stab wound infection) Delita back to being one of the Good GUYS
The moment Ovelia stabbed Delita was one of the best pleasures I had in this game. Delita is not bad but he got what he deserved for using everyone. But people need to understand that in the end he was hailed a hero, he may or may not regret his decisions but in the end he did change the country for the better.
@@RainingFlow19 the fact that u say that some sacrifices are needed is the legit mindset that makes up delita. He strongly believes the ends justify the means and after his wife stabs him and he knows that he has to kill her because she knows everything and probably doesnt love him anymore. Thats why he ask ramza if he is happy with what he got at the ending. He in a sense made the kingdom better but if anyone knew how he wouldnt be considered a hero and most of it was also thanks to ramza. I think that delita in a way regrets the choices he made because he became the one thing he despised the most a noble that used people for their own gain. How would his sister look at him now.
Ramza = Guts Delita = Griffith They are the archetype of the cowboy and the farmer. Dreamer/Schemer. Ideal/Real. Same archetypes in the Titanic movie with Leo vs Billie Zane. The world is built by Delita's, progressed by Ramza's. It's interesting the house of cards that schemers build is always so fragile. The will of the dreamer can cut thru 30 years of scheming like it's nothing. You can decide to focus on power over others or power over self. This is not to value one over the other. Dreamers need investors and vice versa. Its interesting seeing these archetypes in my brothers and myself. He always had identified with Griffith and Delita and is an extremely hard worker. These character types are often times built on incidents where they feel powerless and are motivated to never feel that again. The flip side is a realization that these things are mostly out of your control. Even after all of Griffith's work he was made to feel powerless again after his duel with Guts and he realized it was all for naught. For Delita/Griffith, winning is everything. For Ramza/Guts, it is simply the will to fight. Juxtapose the way Guts acts when all hope should be lost vs Griffiths breakdown. "It's because humans are insecure that they rely on 'miracles'. Can you honestly say you're not, with any confidence?" "I'm trying!"
I'm not sure i agree everyone loses. Presuming Ramza and his whole team makes it out of the airship graveyard, they are a team of elite warriors with significant funds left over from all the side missions and side quests and so on. They could well have a few million gil lying around. They aren't going home, for sure, but they have their own community among themselves and can build a new home.
The truth is often splintered, bifurcated by the sides-- one who is glorified and one who is demonized. It was Ramza, historically, who-- despite his mettle-- brandished "heretic" as his title despite keeping true to his heart, not because of a tired inclination of a noble blood but rather because he set to do what was right. Delita strayed and drank deep from the cup of bloodshed and politics. He aspired from peasantry into royalty but squandered all that was valuable. He cast away his beliefs and became the very thing he despised. How ironic that he too would meet his demise the same way.
wrong, he never because what he hated, he just end up with nothing, BUT the people of Ivalice, live long years of peace under Delita's Kingdom, meaning you should play the game again, because you didn't understand a thing of the story :D
@@WastedTalent83 delita used and killed people to make drastic change, while Ramza proved him wrong when Delita told him "Noble endeavors do not always meet the ends we desire" in a nutshell Delita can be compared to Thanos in their ways of thinking
@@bleykliyam7812 not really, but a little i agree. Thanos did whatever he was fair for him. so he didn't really think he was doing a good thing, but the right thing. Delita didn't, he acted on revenge alone, and to end the suffering of Ivalice people later on, in fact, noble endeavors solve nothing. Every time ramza try, he fail, and has to kill EVERY SINGLE PERSON in his path, the run away thieves in a fight and others in other fights. Ramza deal with demons most of the time, meaning his endeavors are totally different from the ones Delita means. You man, need to play the game again and understand how the story and the characters work. because you're a tad confused. in the whole game, Delita, only kill 1 innocent person, and he does it so that orlandu can escape with Ramza. Then again i ask, when people say delita is bad bla bla bla, what part of delita is bad? Using people? that's what EVERYONE does on daily basis even in real life, they are just too fake to admit it. Also as he act of revenge those things should be pretty much obvious.
@@WastedTalent83 I thought we were comparing Delita and Ramza based on your wording across multiple replies, strange. Because if we were, then I'm just saying, Delita told Ramza that you can't win things by PURE endeavor alone (which means nothing but sheer heroic effort), but Ramza proved that wrong throughout the entire story all without manipulating anybody. I was never saying anything about real life as I totally acknowledge that everybody IRL is an ass in their own right, and I was never saying I disagreed with Delita's methods, because in Delita's own words "Though our methods be different, our goals are not" Also I still am playing this game bruh.
@@bleykliyam7812 same here XD we misunderstood each others then. because i meant exactly that, with the slight difference that i don't see much endeavor without sacrifice by Ramza side aswell. he doesn't manipulate, but he does kill enemies if he could have chosen to, he would have not fought. For delita is the same, he manipulate who need to be manipulated to reach his goal, he never take it on innocent people if you recall well. he told ramza straight he was going to kill many people AND dycedarg. he could have avoided saying he wanted to kill ramza brother but he did to be clear. Also he trusted ramza from the beginning they just chose 2 different roads. Manipulating bad people is a good thing XD
Only Ramza and Alma were confirmed. It is said that they left the country of Ivalice and probably had adventures in other countries. If they all did survive, their names were still tarnished in Ivalice. They could never return to their old lives and probably had to keep their heads down for the rest of their lives away from their homeland. In a sense your theory that everyone loses still stands.
But Ramza turned many a foe into a friend once they understood him. His life will be tough, but unlike Delita he can feel safe and comfortable with those he trusts and spares, as they can see him for who he is, rather than Delita who's corrupt and manipulative
Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN HERE YE HERE YE HERE YE Delita didn't kill Ovelia.
I really love Final Fantasy Series, and this game is just awesome!!! By the way, does anybody know the name of the song in this part of the game?, I´m gonna be really glad if someone can tell me. Thank you :3
Truely masterpiece in the era. You dont need a highly great graphic and design to deliver a great story telling. A stuff 2d pixelated like this also brings a tear of joy. If you do know any other great story telling in war themed game please let me know cuz i dont think there is par on equal with this.
Look, buddy... You seem to misunderstand me. I agree that doing what is right is the best thing to do, regardless of it being rewardless. Delita may have become king (a depressed one at that), but Ramza's conscience was clear. Of course Ramza's is the better choice, but don't be naive; neither man had a happy ending. Fifty or sixty years in solitude with no stability would destroy any man no matter how noble. This sacrifice only make's Ramza all the more admirable.
Delita is the people's champion. But he killed a lot of nobles and churchmen to do it.I think his name was actually recorded in Ivalice's history books while Ramza who specifically chose to battle the demons that no one seems to know about didnt get recognition in in the history texts....
+天王 its lot more simple, Delita get to be the hero since he dirtied his hand for the Ivalice kingdom, while Ramza get to become heretic cause he fought the church , Delita got nothing to do with the fact that Ramza end up as an unknown character for the story. Plus Delita does all the dirt work in Ramza place, Ramza only fight Demons , he mostly never interact with real human except Orlandu and olan...
He did it right, and well, When you need to reach an end for a greater good, it doesn't matter how you reach it. Delita is the Hero people need not Ramza. Ramza can only exist in fantasy story because he is "the perfect hero" Never fail, never do wrong, never dirt his hands. A nice but flat character. While Delita do what must be done to ensure results. And in the end even if he end up miserable and alone, he still give peace to the whole world of ivalice for years to come , like the game says. Compared to Ramza he is REAL , and that's why people hate him so much.
for his own gain? nope. might you be familiar with the famous "trolly problem" question? yeah, it's basically just that and Delita chose the 5 people over the one person the 5 people, representing Ivalice in this case and the one person, representing Delita's friends
I took me a while to understand that ending, considering I played this game many many years ago for ps1. It was mentioned again and I looked it up. Wow!. I missed that part on how Deliah became king
you wouldn't? lol I would personally. And every normal person in that situation, wouldn't stop and think all the crap they speak about when they talk ill about Delita.
@@user-ug8oj7or5y Ovelia was there to stab Delita. He didnt bring the knife. The more accurate thing to say is that Delita drove Ovelia insane enough to want to kill him.
Delita lost the people he love, his sister and his best friend Ramza. He laid the remains of his human soul on Ovelia, with sympathy, but Ovelia didn't get this. Her life is fulfill of lies and pains. Delita stabbed her only to end her pain, like a salvation for her, and also a ending for Delita's human being. From that moment, he's completely in Hell.
@@thaio6554 Gonna add to something to what you said. Ovelia was the only person that Delita in a sense really cared for. Ovelia lost faith in him a long time ago and I don't blame her, the main thing that drove her to the edge was Delita taking Ramzas credit.
She is okay and Delita also...... A website explains this Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN
yea , but what Delita do , is way much better than that. HE fall in misery and lonliness BUT nonetheless, he reign fairly over Ivalice and bring peace to the whole country. So he is the real Victim that even after losing EVERYTHING he still act for the good of people.
@@WastedTalent83 good of himself everything he ever done was for him he chased riches worldly desires to comfort him he brought peace for himself the image of being heroic to many all self gain and he knew none of that mattered to ramza and he's asking what he get bc delita knew everything he did was selfish and gained him nothing !!
@@7641955 lol you got totally wrong.. that's all in your mind , delta never neither did nor said anything related to what you state. and also the game story/events never picture delita like that.. meaning is something you want to see and not how things are. plus this is proof that you kinda lack empathy
@@WastedTalent83 you obviously know nothing ,,lack empathy ? You're uneducated and don't get the plot or motive of the whole story line, the moral of the story is that even after obtaining all those things one still fall in misery , he manipulated his way to the top only for it to destroy him, seems you lack the ability to understand which could be a mental impairment lol go back and replay the game or sit back and pick up a book idiot 💀🤡 u get blocked 😂
@@7641955 sob.. that a why the world is a mess. people like you who understand what they want instead of what is meant to understand.. but well. it's your loss anyway..
Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN HERE YE HERE YE HERE YE Delita didn't kill Ovelia. She dies of "Stomach" illness later in life (probably stab wound infection) Delita back to being one of the Good GUYS
Because the commoner's life was so good in medieval days. Ramza's face was nevertheless known. He would have had to remain in solitude, never to stay in one place nor get close with another person other than Alma. Im sure Ramza, knowing his personality, felt emotionally fulfilled that he did what was right and that Alma was safe, but I doubt life was easy for him ever again. He may have lived a more content life than Delita, but neither lived the ideal life.
I wonder if Agrias kept her promise to come and kill Delita should anything ill-fated ever happned the princess? The lore says Delita and a long and just rule of Ivalice, but who's to say Agrias didn't take him out in his final days...? 🤔
@Bleyk Liyam It was a new additional cutscene added in the psp wotl port , it also explained how ovelia got the dagger in the first place , Agrias gave it to her
I finally understand the magnitude of Delita's loathing towards himself. In the end he became powerful enough to change the fates of many for the better if he wished and there he is being just as a reprehensible as Argath in spite of his ascent to power. He's not better than the men who killed his sister and he knows it.
What is interesting about this is the ending. Everybody loses. Ramza fought for his beliefs and died with everyone leaving his spirit with Alma ( I believe he is dead or he would still be taking action against something) while Delita forsaked everything to reach the top but lost everything. he lived with a stab wound from Ovelia and a would of his heart having nothing left. Die with everything. or live with nothing
the writer/director confirmed that Ramza, his sister Alma, and his little clan went off to have adventures in another continent. The rest is up to the player's imagination/interpretation.
*Delita:* A commoner born into a world where commoners had no rights and were considered non-human by nearly all who held power. After watching the tragedy of the Death Corps play out and seeing his beloved sister murdered without a thought at the order of one of the only nobles he had believed in, risked his neck infiltrating all sides of the corrupt aristocracy and church that had begun a war over the throne and played them against each other in order to supersede them and create a peaceful world where commoners are treated as human beings. He succeeded and lead Ivalice into a golden age. *Common Consensus of Delita:* WORSE THAN HITLER! _Yeah but-_ FUCK YOU! HE HAS POWER! THAT MAKES HIM THE BAD GUY! - - - What Delita hated was Algus, every noble like him (see: practically all of them) and the system they created and maintained. Every single action he took was in order to destroy that system, and if that meant using said nobles so be it. If you think he "became what he hated" you can't read. Ramza stopped the world from getting worse. Delita made the world better.
he did become what he hated. he used everyone like the nobles did, killed the very person he loved, even used Ramza on multiple occasions, at the end he was king but was alone everyone who would of stood with him was dead. that's what the end means what did you get? Delita ended up with everything but at the same time felt completely empty and alone. Ramza on the other hand Died fighting for his own belief for his friends and all that other stuff. having him branded as a Heretic and having nearly everyone out to kill him. everyone who he was with cared about him and followed him to the end. Ramza died fighting for what was right. Delita lived fighting for himself and now is alone.
Lelouchxzero1 Where did Delita say that he hated people that used other people? _Everyone_ pretends that he said this yet _no one_ can back it up (largely because he never said it). Delita's sister was murdered because she was considered livestock whose life wasn't worth paying a second thought to, not because the nobles that killed her were somehow using her. *Delita hated the fact that people like his sister weren't considered human* and you see it with how he responds to Milleuda at the Thieves' Fort. Wasn't that the entire point of the Death Corps., Algus and Teta? Wasn't that the entire point of Delita responding to Ovelia's question of who he was with "Human, just like you.". Wasn't that the entire point of him setting out to change the corrupt system *by rising to a position where it was possible to change said system?* Delita wasn't an idiot. He wasn't going to ask the nobles nicely to change their system and he wasn't going to repeat Wiegraf's folly. The Death Corps. failure showed him rather brutally that direct opposition was never going to work. He could either lie down and accept a world that took his sister from him because she 'was just a commoner, not even a real person' or do something about it, even if it meant being really mean and taking the only possible route. Delita ushered in a golden age of peace and prosperity to a world that was full of crap. He lost everything that mattered to him personally as a result of his actions but succeeded in realizing his ideals to create a better world for everyone else. If _you_ hate him for that, fine. But if you want to pretend that he hated people that used people you'd better find a quote, because he didn't.
ElliotKeaton It was never needed to be said because of people being used Teta died, as well as Aglus saying Ramza is just using Deilita both Deilita and Ramza have a fit at Algus. Most of your examples are from chapter 1 when he was still an idealist him losing Teta changed him. In the end the results may of been good on the outside but within the steps he took were no different than any noble. lied, schemed, and used people even though Deilita hates Algus and Wiegraf he takes much of what they say in chapter 1 to heart. Algus mentions the using of people because that's the way of the world and Wiegraf saying leaders hands are always dirty. I don't hate Deilita in fact i love him and Ramza for they way they are portrayed but Delita and Ramza represent something. Delita is the ends justify the means much like the nobles playing the game on there rules Sacrificing who ever needs to be to win. Ramza refused to play by that way and for that was branded a Heretic and fought refusing to play by the rules of the Church and the Nobles anymore. the point is who actually is happy in the end? Deilita is king with no one with him not his friend Ramza or Ovelia he is alone or is Ramza happy? despite all the good he did everyone outside his close friends want him dead. and (at least i like to believe) he is dead (don't want to argue if he is dead or not becasue if Ramza isn't dead Agrais isn't dead and Agrais would kill Delita if any harm came to Ovelia) that's the point i am trying to make though Deilita useing the very methods he was disgusted with to succeed or Ramza fighting those methods to his death.
Lelouchxzero1 Delita did terrible things to realize his ideals, I won't deny that. But Teta didn't die because she was used. She died because Zalbag (of all people) and Algus didn't care. Like Algus said, she was just an animal. Chapter 1 defined him. It's what set everything he did in motion. The only reason the chapter even exists is for his sake. The entire focus of the chapter is on how corrupt the nobles' system is. On how low-born commoners aren't seen as human. On how Delita was deluding himself to have ever thought otherwise and wasn't just passively going along with the system but actively supporting it. One desperate rebel taking his sister hostage isn't much of a catalyst to set him on the path that he took and wouldn't fit the theme (and is a different definition of 'use' entirely). One of the few nobles that he trusted proving that everything Algus and Milleuda said over the course of the entire chapter was true by ordering the death of his sister like he was ordering a drink was the ultimate culmination of everything the chapter was building toward. He hated the belief that lead to his sister's death and Milleuda (and co.)'s suffering. It's what drove him to overthrow it. He destroyed what he hated. Claiming "Delita hated nobles. Nobles used others. Delita used others. Delita became what he hated." is a disservice to his character and makes as much sense contextually as "Delita hated nobles. Nobles have power. Delita gained power. Delita became what he hated." Is he guilty of using the same methods the nobles used? Sure. It was the only way to play the game and win. But their methods were never what made him hate them to begin with. It was their ideology.
CHRLPTRSN That's why the story had two heroes. Ramza is definitely a hero as he stopped the world from getting worse (Hell on Earth worse) but he refused to do what was necessary to make it better because the required methods went against his sense of justice. Ramza and Delita were complete opposites and I'm still surprised that the game didn't just go the easy route and make them fight each other.
Ramza didn't lose anything, sure he's no longer nobility but i doubt he cared about that anyway. to quote him: "The Beoulve name stands for truth and justice! It is not a tool to be used for selfish gain!" he managed to follow trough with his beliefs and save his sister unlike Delita who still failed trying to protect ovelia even tho he obtained the power he tought he needed when he wasn't able to save his sister
well he wasn't able to save his sister, because he still had FAITH in his "family and friends" that adopted him. Only after he wake up he realize that to chance things, you need to fire fire with fire. Delita is an amazing character that succeed in absolutely EVERYTHING he wanted to. the only fail is for him personally. He end up sad, alone, BUT nonetheless he still give the people of Ivalice peace for years to come. How many people would have the strength to reign and give peace to a kingdom, after losing absolutely everything? (without getting corrupted or fall down to rage or sadness?) People always fail to see how amazing Delita really is.
I believe he loved Ovelia, but in this scene was forced to kill her as all he had worked for, all the manipulation he had worked so hard for would have been tarnished. He still had his vision for a peaceful, equal Ivalice, and he wasn't quite ready to sacrifice that, for the sake of Teta. Just my 2 cents though.
well you're half right, what he does is for Teta, from the first to the last action. He succeed in giving people peace for years under his kingdom. I think he kill Ovelia because: 1 she stab him, reason enough to stab her back . 2 He loved her and realize she would never be able to trust him. 3 He know that Ovelia THINK he killed Oland Balmafula Ramza etc, and he had no way to show her he didn't because all of them disappeared or have been in hiding. 4 When someone you love lose all trust in you and reach the point to stab you, and you know that person will never be able to trust anyone because of problems from the past, the best thing you can do , is put them out of misery.
everybody was complaining about the psp re-translation but i personally thought it was pretty good. btw there weren't any 'mispellings' or 'errors' it's just old english which made it even more realistic for me because im a huge medieval nerd
OK if i think about what ramza may have gone trough, then i would have to consider lot of stuff. was his face really that known troughhout ivalice? or only within the nobility? cuz i've always wondered in the game why you can still recruit soldiers, and get jobs despite being a wanted criminal lol. what about Ramza's companions would'nt they offer aid if ramza ever had trouble? point is, Wouldn't you call having to consider all these things overthinking it?
Man, rewatching this now, this ending has such a Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire vibe to it. Because in the end, everyone got screwed (Well, except for Ramza and Alma...).
@@theophanes Oh yeah, any comments people made about Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire before that series finale has now aged like milk left behind a hot radiator.
@@WastedTalent83 Absolutely. Like, would Delita be motivated to do the things he did if Zalbag didn't order Algus to fire that crossbow bolt? In the grand scheme of things, Zalbag and Algus completely changed the course of history that day.
@@JoeCoolMavericyup also ramza changed because of that day. in fact forth zaekden is one the hardest battle you play on your first game through. and for a reason XD
man final boss almost wrecked me all my charactor died only ones who lived at the final boss (2nd form) was ramza and alma got lucky winning with just 2 of em
wonder what teta thought delita had ultimately become at the end, probably the spitting image of algus who killed her. He may not have been exactly like that piece of crap algus but his actions made him the splitting image of him in the end, oh the irony.
Teta is dead, dead people can't think. Delita did all he did, so there wouldn't be any other Teta, and guess what? He succeed. After Delita become king, Ivalice lived in peace for the years to come. whatever Teta would have thought would have been meaningless. Her death was the trigger for Delita to take things in his hand and put an end to corruption (from the nobility side) while Ramza clean the "evil monster" lurking in the shadown.
well they were believed to be dead so i doubt the church or army were still hunting them down. perhaps just living a commoners life is enough to keep them safe,i remember they even passed by their own funeral lol.
Duke goltana dead ramza dad dead his brothers dead priest dead larg dead and princess die along with Ramza what a tragic ending sound just like real life
Final Fantasy Tactics’ Ending Explained: Ramza’s Fate and the Return to Ivalice (website:)FRONTLINE GAMING JAPAN HERE YE HERE YE HERE YE Delita didn't kill Ovelia. She dies of "Stomach" illness later in life (probably stab wound infection) Delita back to being one of the Good GUYS Not a bitter ending very proud the boy didn't kill her..... I mean KING didn't kill the QUEEN. awkward dinner moments... Honey remember we stabbed each other???
Delita lost the people he love, his sister and his best friend Ramza. He laid the remains of his human soul on Ovelia, with sympathy, but Ovelia didn't get this. Her life is fulfill of lies and pains. Delita stabbed her only to end her pain, like a salvation for her, and also a ending for Delita's human being. From that moment, he's completely in Hell.
Delita was pragmatic, I certainly wouldn't say "pure." He might not have killed Ramza, Olan or Cid, some of the most upstanding people in the story, but he worked his way to the top by manipulation and slaughter. He swore to protect Ovelia with his life, but who can say if he loved her or if he was just using her too? On some level, he might have been doing the right thing, but he still reaped the fruits of living in a way that gave others every reason not to trust him.
what are you talking about ? Who are the others? He did what must have been done , no other ways could have been possible. He never killed a single innocent person if not the guy who sacrificed to save orlandu. And i think he would have killed Ramza if he was a threat to his plan, and rightly so. In the end Delita, is the real victim of the story when you think about it. He lose his only family, his only friend which was Ramza because of different views of the world and what had to be done. And he lose his love because of all the scheme he had to go through to ensure his ends. He loved Ovelia, but she was a naive little girl with zero life experience, that juts blamed him for all that happened to her in the past. She think Delita killed Olan balmafula and Ramza, with ZERO evidence. And decide by herself she would get killed too. So when she stab him he understand there is no way out of this, and decide to end her too. Delita end up living alone, with no friends no love, BUT STILL he doesn't get bad or corrupted, he give Ivalice peace for the years to come, i have no idea why anyone would hate an amazing character like that.
@@WastedTalent83 I think the fact that Delita manipulated and deceived people so many times to get his goal, even anything with his redeeming qualities would be put to question. Ovelia found out what he was planning and was shocked. Everything he said to her was put to major question in her view and after being manipulated by everyone else, the one who seemed to put his heart out for her, turned out to be just like one of the others, especially when she got wind Ramza and his party being "dead". It didn't matter how much good he did for the country and for Ovelia with his methods. Her faith in him was pretty much heavily strained to the point that it tore her up from the inside. Keep in mind, she was a princess who already had her hands full with dealing with her stressful situations, with the truth that she's not really of royal blood was the punch in the gut, she was pretty much in the background most of the time. And then finding out even more messed up stuff from the one who gave her strength, her mind was not in a good place. She couldn't bare it any longer. You can't expect her to figure it out when she's been living a sheltered life, shuffled around and away from the throne, the real truth of what really happened with the royal bloodline and the war, and dealing with things left and right without much of a break, leading her to become bitter and angry to people who betray her. While Delita loved her, he was ultimately sloppy to think that he would keep her out of his secrets. Ovelia already questioned about the reason why she wasn't in the throne and got her answer harshly. What do you think is going to happen when someone not in the know is going to look around after being hit with a harsh truth while said person's mind is not in the right place? And she didn't have Agrias Oaks with her, who had a better chance with Ovelia to help pull herself together than a guy she knew for not long. Ovelia may be called plenty for being naive, but she's also a victim of all the manipulation by all the people in her life, and Delita ended up as another in her eyes. Delita isn't a bad person per se, but you have to admit that all the deception and manipulation no matter what intentions can put you in a bad light, hence the saying: "Good intentions are the pathway to hell". Delita had this coming whether people like it or not. That's the price he paid for his actions. Eliminating corruption, by using the same means as the corrupt people, and one that humbled him pretty harshly. He doesn't even know that Ramza survived his ordeal assuming he's dead. And maybe...that's for the best.
Ramza did win he managed to live up to what his father expected of him, grew up into a knight worthy of his name, and gained great trustworthy companions, would'nt you think that to be worth more than a stable life if you had to put up with a corrupt government and believing in a false religion? THAT would be the worst kind of life for someone like Ramza what Ramza lost is irrelevant to him anyway because as i said he doesn't really care about social stature and power or "stability" anyway
The ideal life is a happy and stable one. Neither Delita nor Ramza had both of these qualities in their lives. I don't think the euphoria of saving the world would last for the next fifty or sixty years left of Ramza's life. Half a decade living to survive. Its hard to maintain happiness in a harsh environment. Did Ramza's remaining years have meaning? I hope so, but Final Fantasy Tactics is a story with no winners - some just lose more than or differently to others.
you say Ramza and Alma had to deal with a "harsh environment" but they had literally gone to other countries tho? they weren't in the wilderness or something jeez. also you kept assuming that Ramza and Alma couldn't relive their lives outside of Ivalice this doesn't change how much sacrifice Ramza had to go through but jeez man stop describing it as if they started living in The Veldt afterwards
all, true. But as I said, he lived the rest of his life as a heretic in exile. Im sure he didn't mind, so long as he was with Alma, but I doubt he was ever comfortable of safe for the remainder of his life. Not losing anything and not caring that you have lost much are two very different things.
plus it certainly didn't look like a bad ending looking at the ending cinematics in the psone where Ramza and his sister were traveling the world together. So maybe your just overthinking it a little. if it looked like a good ending then that's probably what happened or what the writers intended.
nope i didn't misundersand what your saying is that Ramza is unhappy cuz he had to live an unstable life of an adventurer after he saved the world right? I just don't think stability is such a big deal for Ramza. since it's not what he values. So my point is Ramza can live an unstable life of a commoner/adventurer and still be happy cuz he's fulfilled and has no regrets ,while Delita will never be happy even if his life is stable cuz of all that guilt and regret.
At the beginning of the game it says that Delita reigned for a long time. In another game called Vagrant story , it was made by the same creator of final fantasy tactics and occurs in the same world that ivalice, there are references like "Haeralis the Brave" glorifying Delita Heiral. The story of this game takes place after 300 years of the event of final fantasy tactics, so Delita must have been considered a hero and must have reigned for a long time
man, play the game again, you probably played it many years ago, and can't remember the story AT ALL. Also no king die at the start. Ramza father is the one that die at the start and he wasn't a king.
yup, totally. if only people would get that lol. Everyone hate on Delita because of that shitty Ovelia that tried to kill him. She was a Victim but Delita is much more a Victim in the story than she is.
You know what... if I knew delta is going to be this... I would have never betray algus because at least he doesn't use you lol... although he is rasict to commoners... but still...
