What a banger. Your insights have tremendously improved my understanding of the BwO, while also presenting an exceptionally captivating lens through which to view the themes of Deltarune. I'm hyped for butterfly circuit lmao.
omg same, wiregrrrl does such an incredible job at making things like wojakanalysis (in the d&g sense) digestible through the lens of video games like deltarune
What an interesting way to look at Deltarune's themes of change and introducing them through BwO. Although you mostly used this concept to explain Kris and our relationship with them, I feel that this concept has some potential in providing a way to explain some of the character arcs of the other characters in Deltarune as well. Around the 19-20 minute mark, you mention something about destratification in order to make changes happen, and the delicate balance to do it right. I was thinking that this destratification process could potentially explain the main parts of Susie's and Noelle's arcs too. All of them change (enter BwO) as a response to a tough situation, the destratification process for all of them were done carefully ("kept enough of the organism for it to reform"), and as a result, it was what made them change for the better. Here's some examples from both of the arcs. Susie entered her BwO state when the friends she made (Lancer and Kris) were endangered by King. She acted out in her BwO to fight back and save them. As a result, she opens up about herself a little more, and realizes that there are some foes you need to fight, and that if you don't let your guard down, you might hurt someone you care about. She's grown more to care about her friends! Noelle entered her BwO state when Queen threatens to crush Susie into 8 bits. As a result of a lot of the ways she was controlled by Queen throughout the chapter, she acts out in her BwO state by snapping to Queen that she will never be happy under Queen's control. As a result, she grows much more confident in herself in being able to take control of situations she gets herself into. The video already explains the flipside of this arc (weird route) so I won't reiterate on it here. So yeah, pretty neat idea. I wonder what else this concept could explain about the changes in Deltarune.
I'm gonna be honest I barely understood most of this BUT. This is still super interesting!! I love when people analyze Deltarune using things that they're very familiar with like philosophy or music theory or whatnot. Sooo cool!
incredibly fascinating and insightful. cant believe you legitimately managed to make a deltarune video be about a bizarre philosophy I have never heard of, and to pull it off so well
Wait a second Is this what Jevil meant when he was basically saying he was free because nothing matters? That he could do anything because he had nothing left keeping him structured?
Exactly, though in his case it was a false proof/positive, because knowledge does not always bring Autonomy in a World that is ultimately static, always spinning through the same events, and Jevil too is no exception to this rule. Imprisonment may be a state of mind, but what does that matter when you can't help others? Though his delusion of being free gave him power, he does not have the determination required.
This is an awesome video. As much as Kris' imagery does fit pretty well with the BwO though, I'd say there's also a good interpretation by identifying the "virtual body of pure potentiality" more with the side of the Player, the one who can actually make choices! This might just be me being more Lacanheaded than Deleuzepilled, but we, the ones interacting with the console interface, are literally the only thing outside the code, not yet fully organized by it (though we can be railroaded pretty hard, with just a bit of effort and careful, scapel-like steps, it's possible to break off script - just like in speedrunning!). All of this "pure potentiality" happens especially if we try to put ourselves in Kris' shoes and imagine the situation from their perspective. In their view, the universe actually IS a simulation, and the Gods are messing with them, pulling invisible strings - but with no way of knowing where we're going. It's randomness (or pure potentiality) seen from an organism's perspective. To connect with randomness, in psychoanalysis we also have something entirely arbitrary: Desire. Zizek's examples of ideology always follows the same logic, but with different sublime objects of desire: "if the media says the enemy is evil, then that justifies getting rid of them; if the media says the enemy is good, then that also justifies getting rid of them - it only means they control the very media already". It's always a double-bind, a catch-22: "if my favorite RU-vidr does something good then it has to be celebrated, and if they do something wrong, I'd rather believe the accusers were jealous and lying, and so on..." Or, since you mentioned Mark Fisher (based): "even anti-capitalism is today a commodity to be fabricated and sold. There is no winning." The flipside of being unable to disprove a pseudoscientific claim is that it is literally INDEPENDENT from any empirical or verifiable factors (like witch hunts). You can logically and soundly claim anything, pulling from all random possibilities... so long as any Other which tries to refute you can be determined as a liar. Psychoanalytic desire pulls, as if from the ether, an unstoppable force. Games pull a Player into being, an entity from a literal higher dimension, a BwO which can even alter the universe's very code to achieve its own unknowable goals. What deltarune does differently from other games, I think, is in essence to problematize this BwO, to put forth someone who resists this pure potentiality (Kris directly taking away control from the Player, Susie not listening to our choices, and the game itself outright stating our choices (the BwO's) don't matter). It's a story about how those on an entire dimensional layer (or strata) of agency beneath can still win against those above, like the classic JRPG "defeat God" trope, but taken to its extreme: the Player. Anyway, yeag, capitalist realism is pretty coool. If you like that, check out also Andrew Cunningham's "What was so good about UNDERTALE, anyway? (A mildly deranged retrospective)". It's pretty much about the same thing, really.
the whole concept finally clicked for me when you brought up speedrunning, thinking of PM64 runs especially for some reason. curious to see if this sort of thing will continue to be reflected well in future chapters but i guess we'll find out. Great Video BTW! was surprised to see that this video hadn't even hit 1000 views... it could def use some more I think.
My intro philosophy prof was big into Guattari, so seeing this video combine two of the things I have come to greatly appreciate has been a real treat.
this was such a good video. Your reading of the universe and the authors' works are very interesting and do make a lot sense! it's a very refreshing view on the deltarune universe, and it's very nice to see a reading that has a mainly philosophical view.
interesting concepts. a system(s) of organs, changing the way the organs flow. Changing existence based on pieces that are currently engrained in order to achieve a higher form. But without organs? A body of pure control. Sounds to existentially whole, a lot of work. too good, too pure. easily misunderstood. I don't fully understand all of the concepts, first i've heard of this specific lore.
I am currently writing a grad thesis on Deleuze & Guattari and queer horror film monsters, and I was having so much trouble using BwO in my analysis, because even tho I know the definition I just couldnt really understand it. Watched countless videos, read so many explanations...and nothing. UNTIL THIS VIDEO. I have no idea how I will explain to my 60y.o thesis advisor that I finally understood BwO because of a deltarune video essay, but seriously thank you so much man, you might have just saved my ass.
The soul contains the composite of your being. In a way, you can consider the soul to be a vessel containing all that makes you, you. However, a vessel is not its contents. You are Kris's soul. You are NOT Kris.
Ok so what I gathered from this video is that a "Body" is any system of multiple parts coming together to have a function so it extends to actual bodies to schools, towns, and stuff? And "Organs" are any individual part of it, organs fluctuate depending on the context so a bee can be separate from a flower but once it interacts with it it becomes another organ necessary for the flower. And Kris's "Body" has their Soul as the main organ, without it they just become a structure that has potential to hold organs but cannot on their own. AND I loved the analogy you make with Kris's Body and the town's body, how a small town with little jobs or entertainment and an uninterested government is also a "body without organs", it's a structure lacking some of it's vital parts, a population, a workforce and so on. It just makes me think of works like Night in the Woods,Ride the Cyclone, They cloned Tyrone, Home, works about small overlooked towns that are seen as dead ends for everyone who lives in it, the fact that Asriel needed to leave to go to college brings out the fact that for a small town the only hopes people have is to leave someday, to detach themselves from their community and body, furthering other people's need to detach themselves as well, the more people leave the more the town dies, making more people want to leave. So I guess the compassion makes it so a small town is like a depressed teenager? That Kris going through the motions unable to communicate or connect with others around them is like a dying town that has already lost it's pillars and continues to do so. I'm glad the video ended with the somewhat optimistic message of even a body without organs still holds the potential, to look within itself and to become different things through the people and community that form different bodies, specially since the works I mentioned had similar messages, this video just makes me excited for future prospects in deltarune!
Such a fascinating video! I may not know that much about philosophy, but I could clearly understand everything you said about explaining the philosophy behind a body without organs. I finally learned something new, so I must thank you for making such a cool video using Deltarune to explain it.
This is utterly and completely wonderful! Well done!!! : >> Ever since you brought up the concept of a BwO for the first time so long ago, I've been so freaking interested by it and I am so freaking happy to see you create this entire video!! Thank you so much for making this!!
Just to wrap my head around it without jargon. A BwO is the state of any system where the consistent behaviors of the system's "parts" are altered or interupted to create a different behavior in the system, could be described as a state of internal chaos, and usually this state is activated for the purpose of change. It makes me think of how computers crash because a single bit was switched when it wasnt supposed to.
awesome video, great analysis! ❤ I would love to see more from you! As much as I enjoy silly fan theories and "who is gaster/the knight/the next secret boss" discussion videos, they have really gotten stale imo and i've been craving some real original analysis - you've absolutely nailed it. This video is a gift to us Undertale/Deltarune fans that are perhaps a little bit older and more interested in literary/philosophical analysis 😊 I appreciate that you've presented this topic in a way that is digestible but still really interesting and educational for those of us not familiar with the original philosophical work!
Since the game has the message of no choice directed at the player too, I assume it'll get expanded. For example, when we don't play from the perspective of Kris. So I guess that eventually the player will be stratified, and this somehow relates to 'the Knight'? I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually had to fight all the characters, as this already happened with Susie. There are already rooms impacted by the Darkener world, so to complete the analogy with the body without organs, there will be some sort of merge. Then Ralsei dies, because duh this is obviously something that will happen, since everything is more physical. However, the organ of the soul/determination comes into play, and that creates a body capable of constructing an impenetrable barrier, which ties into Undertale (since that world is implied to exist on its own temporal phase), so the Knight = Chara/Gaster (weird void creatures means they must be related, and they're a fascist and suicidal body without organs). This brings the theme of escapism to a meta level... maybe, I only spent five minutes thinking about this to justify my time investment in a random vidya.
Excellent video, I do love me some deep dive philosophical analysis. I can tell this was a very hard topic to script and explain cohesively but I think you did very well explaining the concepts involved. I loved your editing too. Keep on Keeping on!
This is a great video!!! It's always fun to learn philosophy shenanigans, specially with a sprinkle of deltarune theory stuff Thank you for making it!! It's fun and awesome and really well edited, looks super cool!
Im gonna be thinking about this for a solid month i assure you. Im so happy that a videogame like DR can hold so many phyolosophical and psychological symbolism
frisk stay determined chris, *hic*, stay deterritorialized *falls drunkenely*. also yeah the speedrunning angle is definitively one of the best way you can explain that consept.
Damn, i understood only about half of that, but when i did, it made sense and was simultaneously confusing. Good video btw, it was mostly the topic that was confusing, and thus interesting and engaging. Could do woth improving the microphone quality though, but you're very small and your first upload was a month ago. You definitely deserve more views on this, and thus you have definitely earned a subscriber in me.
Omg this is super convenient timing cause I JUST meat to do a deep dive in french philosophy and this specific topic and it's certainly is a great intro!
For a first video, you're already 10x better than most utdr theory channels. I honestly didn't know what to expect from a simmy video, I thought that maybe it would have been incomprehensible nonsense lol (no offense). But yeah pretty good work here, not what I expected in terms of quality, keep up the great work!
So body without organs is just become ungovernable meme or Sigma CEO mindset. Heh. In all seriousness, this is a very cool look on DRs apparent themes from a philosophical lens. Though one part of video I would disagree with is your analysis of Hometown as a system that represses Kris. It seems to me, that unlike small town setting in Night in the Woods for example, Toby is presenting Hometown in a very whimsical fashion. All the feelings of melancholy and loneliness seem to be coming from characters interpersonal issues and and inner turmoil and not the town itself. While it definitely can be interpreted that way, I really don't see authorial intent in portraying Hometown itself as anything but idyllic. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I did write my out thoughts in like 5 minutes on a youtube comment, so maybe did not think about it hard enough. I wanted to leave a message on ACDS but commenting here is probably better for engagement. Best of luck with whatever you are going to do next.
I disagree. Hometown isn't a separate thing from all of that. It IS the interpersonal relationships, the buildings, the people, the missing children, the homelessness and divorce. You can't really isolate the town. Hometown itself is composed of all of those things, and without them it's just a bunch of empty houses. The social relations of the town impose those limits, rather than an abstract notion of the town. What's important to note is that the different levels of, idk, existence or whatever, aren't discrete and separate. The personal is interlinked with the social, which is interlinked with politics, and history, and geography, and everything else Moreover I don't really see what's whimsical or idyllic about it - to me it just seems *normal*. The things going on are normal and mundane. It's nice of course, but there's still all the realistic blemishes. It's that normalcy that makes the Darkworld so special because it contrasts it with *its* whimsy and fairytale like nature. Susie kind of highlights just how BORING Hometown is too, and that the Darkworlds are a way to get out of that, to have adventures and experience something new. All of the lightners who go to the DW end up expressing themselves in ways they cant in the LW, so theres clearly something at work there that is preventing them from doing so, which goes back to that point that everything is connected aw yeagh youtube comment time
@@wiregrrrl Ah, I completely forgot to apply the whole organ body thing to the town itself. You are correct about that. Maybe I just simply checked out when you brought out the political reading in a game where Toby is VERY careful to avoid any politics (still a valid lense to look at it though, just seemingly unlikely to be intended by Toby). Also my NiTW example probably colored my perception as it was extremely blatant about capitalist realism and the sheer existential boredom of small towns, so in comparison I looked at Hometown as an idyll. So anyway cool vid, thank you for taking your time to correct me.
12:14 The vague terminology that philosophy uses to convey ideas from multiple angles while being as all-encompassing/basic as possible is also frequently misinterpreted and or entirely not understood if the person is not used to dealing with such concepts in linguistic form. It is important to maintain that vague terminology to fully express the entirety of the concept, but that also makes it important to repeat yourself from multiple angles to make the idea clear. Body: A "group" composed of interacting "organs" Organ: Something that affects the state of "things" (flow) that crosses paths with it Body without Organs: Composed of interacting "organs" without ANY "structure", resulting in an everchanging shape of "potential" due to its lack of integrity. That's my personal interpretation based solely on how you've explained it. I will, however, mention that "organization" is inherently based off of a complete and absolute LACK of "organization". Things can only act organized because they are not organized. A lack of structure is what creates structure. I believe that is what you were referring to when you called the "Body without Organs" a "virtual body" that lies "behind" an organized body. The "Body without Organs" is just a "state of change" of the organization itself. Deconstruction, reconstruction. Maintain a portion of the original organization during the state of change so as to not entirely collapse and lose everything. Please do clarify if there is something wrong with my understanding.
[Things can only act organized because they are not organized. A lack of structure is what creates structure. ] Hence, Love and its different states can only really exist within free will/autonomy. Or from a more religious perspective, lukewarm faith without a root will wither back into the earth.
At the core of it all, I think that Deltarune is about how a new outside influence can change our life. In the case of Kris we can be a positive or overwhelmingly negative influenec. But we are still missing a few details. In Chapter 1 it looked like Kris used the birdcage before. Did Kris rip out his soul before? And if yes, why? Was someone else controlling it before us? On another note, this video gave me an idea. Some games have Auto battle modes for grinding and getting through older areas for backtracking. Wouldn't it be cool if that game feature would be used creativly here? Imagine: Later on, we get the choice to hand all the control to Kris, letting basically the game play itself. And depending what small changes and decisions we made previously in his life, the way Kris acts and the party would playout would br different. Yeah, it may would be suboptimal, they might not fight as well as the Player would or choose the same dialog options, but that would be really interesting. You could also spin this further, basically building up a trust value in the background. The game would still give you the option to intercept at the cost of trust, changing stuff down to the line. Unless of course the party asks for it. That could lead to a cool optional moment where Kris even holds out his hand asking for us to take the rains if we made the right choices in a particular dire situation. I think that would be a really interesting take on telling a story and handling the player and character relationship.
[Imagine: Later on, we get the choice to hand all the control to Kris, letting basically the game play itself. And depending what small changes and decisions we made previously in his life, the way Kris acts and the party would playout would br different. ] Did think of that, I wonder if there is a mod, with a kind of "voting system" maybe even combined with weighted ai. Inspired by the systems like the ones on role playing Consensus Spacebattles. [That could lead to a cool optional moment where Kris even holds out his hand asking for us to take the rains if we made the right choices in a particular dire situation.] Also something I've thought about in a fan-fiction I plan to make, if only so I am not simply the idea gal, and actually work at something myself. Just the thought of a working mutalism is making my blood pusher flutter, heh, very *pale*.
This was an excellent video, you explained the concept of a BwO in a very understandable and succinct way. I absolutely agree with your ideas surrounding Deltarune through this lens, they provide a very fresh and needed departure from the "practical" side of theory-making and lore analysis. I have actually been thinking about taking a look at the story though this lens for a while, and this video helped me visualize what that might look like practically. There is a book by Rudolf Otto that takes a look at the social understandings of Religion, and I feel that the idea fantastically mirrors some of the ideas behind the Dark world and how they are presented in the game. Thank you for inspiring my thought process, and I hope to make a video of my own one day that gets my ideas out there. Beyond that, your editing, humor, and pacing of the video were all fantastic, and I am very happy that I stumbled across this video. (Great music choices as well!) I hope you have a great rest of your day, and hope to hear more of your thoughts surrounding this game in the future.
The first time I watched this before seeing the full story of Deltarune chapter 1/2 I thought there was something to it, but afterward... I genuinely think the hidden poststructuralist message is different from what this says it is. "Machines" and "bodies" certainly appear a lot in Deltarune, but as I remember, the Body Without Organs was not actually used the same way in every poststructuralist work. In some of them it was an almost unequivocally bad thing likened to cancer, or organs escaping the body and competing with each other instead of operating together to form a body. A body of an organic human or animal has limits which also happen to keep the parts from destroying each other, but a system like capitalism creates a new kind of inorganic body or inorganic organ which bursts away from others, competes with them, and seeks to grow over the top of them, similar to a cancer, or messed-up circuits in a schizophrenic brain shouting conflicting messages at each other and failing to form a functional brain. (It took me a long time to understand what schizophrenia was supposed to mean in these works until I read a fictional story called _Tapers_ with poststructuralist themes and finally I actually understood it.) At several moments in Deltarune it much more easily reads that Deltarune considers a BWO to be a bad thing. at one moment we see Kris seemingly playing the role of a hero. at another, Kris has removed the Soul for unknown reasons and seems to be relapsing into bad or selfish behaviors that people have already observed, although the connection between the two sets of observations is not clear yet. at some times the party of heroes is together. at some times Susie threatens to leave it or it splits up, and after that something bad typically happens. when Susie is initially resisting the party it means neither the "good guys" nor the "bad guys" have peace, because the good guys don't want to fight and the bad guys are lazy people who will do what they are told but don't want to get clobbered or kill anybody either. it seems loosely implied that the bad guys in the card world actually exist to keep balance, so Susie moving to their side actually means more goofing around and less violence. this may be the natural order of things in the card world, that exactly two of the four have to be good guys and two have to be bad guys, or else there will be actual acts of carnage. Susie refusing to follow the rules of 2 vs 2 may be the BWO. in the cyber world... there is some kind of complicated logic puzzle going on. there is the queen trying to make everyone her servants, and there is the whole "truces" and "double/triple trucies" thing. one of these may be the natural order of the cyber world. Berdly may actually be breaking the natural order in some way by disrupting the queen's plan, but then again the truce sequences are so arbitrary it's tempting to say these are the rules. if Berdly is breaking the natural order, it might be because there are not supposed to be multiple rulers in one group, but Berdly is acting bossy, so this created multiple groups. the order is not yet violated because it fixed itself. the real violation might occur at the moment Spamton tries to lead Kris along toward his deal, in effect looking for control and to become the boss of the group. the group cannot have two bosses but now it has three people all trying to become stronger and take the greatest power that the cyber world has to offer. this violation of the rules leads to violence in the form of Noelle freezing all the monsters (in one route), and possibly Kris dismantling Spamton by cutting the strings that create his fiction. it seems this can't actually kill him, possibly because it was done with good intentions or because the inanimate object that created him still exists. either way, it seems Spamton is trying to become a BWO by cutting free of the Dark World and his own fiction, but it doesn't look to be possible. to me his quest for "Hyperlink Blocked" has certain similarities with the little-a of Lacanianism where it is said all of people's desires come from a generic desire for nothing in particular, which they cannot actually obtain because this "nothing in particular" has no referent. (although Jaru's channel did convincingly argue that here it also has a literal meaning, "LOVE", which was simply unobtainable.) Spamton is trying too hard to get something impossible that is part of the illusion that creates him and because of this he threatens to shatter his own fiction and existence. he is violating the rules in what seems like a very big way. looking at these examples I have the feeling that Deltarune is trying to tell us a story about a fundamentally unfair universe with rules that do not really match the real world* but which are highly arbitrary - possibly unique in every Dark World - and which the characters chafe against. they keep trying to violate the rules, but in the process they see that violating the rules seems to cause damage or destruction. and when that doesn't happen, it usually means the rules outwitted them and were technically followed. but I think there is a twist here. I think that the story may not actually be saying the characters have no choice but to follow the rules. I think it may be trying to tell us that the rules can be unfair even if they make up the very fabric of the Dark Worlds and as with Jevil, people who want to violate them appear crazy. I am not sure what the conclusion of a discovery like that would be. I think collecting the Shadow Crystals may have something to do with it because they seem to resemble some kind of firmament between the Light and Dark Worlds, or some kind of literal glassy fourth wall which has been broken. maybe, for all I know, the characters are going to get the Shadow Crystals and then have to turn around and look at their real world and address problems there in order to fix the Dark Worlds. that would be very on the nose to a reasonable theory of how media are connected to society whether it matches what poststructuralism says or not. I think we can only guess where the story is going. * This is where I have problems with descriptions like "breaking the structure too much leads to totalitarian or fascist outcomes". I am not sure those are the rules of structures and outcomes in the Deltarune universe even if they were the rules of real life. (Which I also doubt, but that's not what this video or comment is about so I'll leave it alone.) I think the rules of Deltarune are much more abstract than that to the point it's hard to draw a comparison to Liberal capitalism. The Dark Worlds have _kings and queens_ after all, and seemingly some rule where you are not supposed to _not_ have a king. Where's the king of the United States and where did poststructuralists try to justify this king? I think the rules are different.
this is ss This is an INTERESTING Idea but What i think it needs more of is to consider is "wojakanalysis" aka wojak analysis................. just sometihng to consider.....
Obviously this is a relatively dense video analysis to digest if you compare it to more simple straightforward lenses of analysis such as chess theory. Even in comparison to some other prominent meta textual analysts such as Cunningham or Vivat Veritas, it is quite heavy on logic of reasoning, ontology and philosophical terminology. But this line of analysis needs way more attention than it has gotten so far in the Canon of deltarune theories when Toby fox is so invested in examining the relationship we have with games and even more so I'd argue in deltarune our ideas and expectations of what are games. The original genocide route was always meant to be a punishment to those who seek to push the game to become a typical rpg grind fest, something that Toby did not intend for Undertale to be. That is not the flow of Undertale. It was made to be intentionally boring and devoid of fun for large parts as the player intentionally broke the flow of Undertale. Perhaps Toby is examining this subject again after the negative feedback he got about how unfun that route was to play. A route he never intended Undertale to work as a game as. I hope to see the weird route as a destabilizing of the body explored more in future chapters.
So the cool thing about philosophy is that you have to re-read it so many times to understand even a version of what was said in a book 🥳 I'm going to write my interpretation of what I just heard here because I have enough free time: • A body with perfect organ-isation is extreme order. A body of such kind is one that allows the organs to interact in one way without permiting any other paths. No choices exist, as the existence of two paths would imply the existence of an amount of disorganisation. • A body without organs is extreme chaos. It is a body that rejects organisation and allows any path to be taken. The organs can do anything (?) • I'm not sure if I got this right, but apparently organs from bodies can influence other organs from other bodies? Allowing for a body to lose organisation? And gain a type of organisation (be it the same as before or something else entirely)? I gotta read those books a few dozen times to understand that part better lol ↳ If that is true, then bodies can be disorganized and then reorganized, which could be an interpretation of what Kris is doing: Messing with their organs so they can do something that the earlier order didn't allow (unsure of what that said "something" is, as we only see the path in the game in which Kris messes with their machines) ↳ Another interpretation, while less Kris-centered, is that the dark worlds create bodies without organs. Before it, Susie would have kept hating Kris, Noelle would never have approached the coolest girl in town, Berdly, and Kris wouldn't have any reason to (or even know how to) make a dark fountain and aid the knight with the end of the world. In truth, the dark world creates disorder and permits new things to happen. Simplifying my interpretation of this, I suppose these two things can be said: ✦ The light world is very organised, meaning nobody can make big and life-changing choices, only being capable of minor things (for example: having a different line of dialogue happen when you make Kris tell Susie that they're going to do the her schoolwork at the start of the game) ✦ BwO can be related to chaos, as it allows you to do anything: to break free from the monotonous life you may have as an organ of the light world (for example: snowgrave!!!!!) Frankly, the more I analyse this with my probably flawed interpretation, the more I start to think that this application of a BwO in deltarune mostly shows to the idea of things being in one way and then changing due to someone/something's actions... which is funny. It's funny because, with that said, bodies without organs can tell us one AMAZING thing about Deltarune as a whole. A realisation that is mind blowing and incredible! one that you'd never realise in a million years! It even strongly relates to The Hero's Journey! a common trope in storytelling This unbelievable truth, this incredible fact, is... : The story of deltarune had a status quo and it was broken (and we nerds took our chance to mention our favourite writers in order to come up with that ♡)
This feels like a convoluted way to say "Diversity is the spice of life, but you don't eat meals of pure carbon or blends of random ingredients for the sake of it."
you said that you had more thoughts abt deltarune and the bwo! i would love to hear more! or anything other thoughts of this nature! this was a lovely video. im curious to hear your thoughts on ralseis nature in particular, as i think he can be seen as almost entirely without his own organs, or as 'calcified' (as you put it) as kris was/is
I have no idea what deltarune is about other than what I know about undertale but thank you for the explanation of the body without organs. That has been a concept that is super hard for me to understand in Deluze's works. This helps a lot.
I haven't even watched a second of this yet, but the prospect of Deleuze and Guattari being applied to Deltarune... A. is among the most unexpected things I have ever seen B. fills me with Deterritorialization (I know I'm misusing this, but the 'fills me with de_____ation' was too strong to resist) Edit: 18:30 Waaaaaait, waaaaait, I kinda... didn't misuse it? I think?
I really liked this video! It uh, sounded insightful. To be honest I don't actually understand what you're talking about though, even though I just watched the entire thing. A lotta other people get it though, so I think it's good? Shrug.
its okay, wojakanalysis is a pretty complicated field of philosophy. it definitely took me a few months of studying and talking with other peers versed in it before i could wrap around it myself. i definitely encourage you to try to continue researching it if you think its interesting! A Thousand Wojaks is one of the best texts to start off in the field with, but you may also wanna try a secondary source primer before that too if youre still lost
I suppose another analogy, instead of biological parts are robots within a self producing factory. Part of this is an elaborated form of game theory: Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory
I think in UT Verse you get take serious damage to the organs and still be alive though 🤷 And then there's a theory about Delatarune being just a Gaster experiment he keeps working on after getting shattered across space and time, which means it's all fake anyway
This was amazing!! Another good game that explores these themes is Pathologic (and by default, its reimagining, Pathologic 2.) If you ever make a video about those i will he sooooo happy
As someone with dual special interests in poststructural philosophy and Deltarune, I am eternally indebted to you for this. Absolutely love the analysis and I hope similar projects are in the works!
i loooooove all the body horror potential these concepts have pertaining to cancerous growth and such, reminds me of body melt even though that movie is about as far away from philosophy as anything could possibly get
I definitely could have clarified it a bit more in the vid. I'm stealing this explanation from the Deleuze dictionary: "The organism as unifying emergent effect is a stratum on the Body without Organs (BwO), it is hence a construction, a certain selection from the virtual multiplicity of what a body can be, and therefore a constraint imposed on the BwO" Basically, a stratum is a constraint on the surface of the BwO that then becomes an organism. So that whole spiel when they say "lodge yourself on a stratum[...]", is basically like "hey, youre currently an organism with constraints of who you are. Figure out what those constraints are, and see which ones you can dislodge and move around, and see where that takes you." Looking at the definition of "stratum", it just means a layer. If you think of the BwO as a thing of infinite layers, a strata is just one layer of it. An organism can't exist as an infinite thing, so it necessarily has to exist finitely, as some set of layers. Boom. BwO -> becomes stratified -> becomes organism I am now pissed off that I didnt really think of it this way up until just now because explaining this shit with layers is actually really helpful AHHHG
That's a fine enough reading, but wouldn't the player being the soul actually make for a better interpretation? That way we impose an organ on a perfectly functional system of a body. We literally become the limiter for what otherwise posseses limitless potential. 23:40 Oh, oh that idea also would make sense if Toby was going for the approach of us being the vessel, and Kris existing as a body and mashine/organs/soul but i don't think thats the case. After all the mere fact we are capable of controlling the Soul outside Kris and not Kris at the moment the Soul is removed proves we eather dwell in the Soul or are the Soul itself 28:00 Ok at this point I'm lost, so your complete reading is that the Soul IS the player but also part of Kris's system from the beginning? I'm not really getting it.
I understand nothing. Got especially confusing when you started pulling out terms you didn't define beforehand leaving me wondering why you're talking about fascists and cancer.
