DEMISE OF THE INQUISITION? IS CONFLICT AGAINST THE ASTARTES COMING? 

This would be entertaining. Justice for the Celestial Lions!

The pettiness of the inquisition resembles that of the WH40k aristocracy in my eyes. How could the inquisition remain not corrupted for 10,000 years, while the aristocracy can use either assassins or beyond huge bribes to get their way? Realistically some of the Exterminatus would be the result of internal power struggles and had little to do with combating xenos or chaos. Not all inquisitors might be that bad, but by their own standards, they should all be purged? Just to be sure?

Honestly I'd love to see the inquisition put to the sword for what they have done and I think it is long overdue that the inquisitions numbers were culled

Imagine if, after an outcry from Marneus Calgar, Roboute Guilliman reinstates the Legions, and calls for an outright crusade against the Chaos tainted Inquisition, and any counted as their minions.

I would be happy if Guilliman will take like 90% of Inquistors and put them on single Crusade, that coitindently go straight on some Hive-fleet

How it start the inquisition gets a hail from the black Templars fleet “Justice for the Celestial Lions” and every member of the Templars descends upon them

Convenient for the Inquisition; answerable only to the Emperor who never speaks to anyone save his son. No record of Him ever speaking to anyone in the Inquisition. That organization just assumes all is well since they are never told any different. Not a fan of the Inquisition as a whole, myself.

Remembering when a squad of Death Company Terminators were dumped onto an Inquisitors ship right as it made a Warp translation. Good times.

I could see this easily happening for a lot of chapters as the requirements of the situation requires them to grow in size. Imagine if the iron hands, pressed by the eye of terror as they are, suddenly saw a rouge inquisitor nuking planets they had safe guarded for resources? I image that would not end well.

I could imagine the Wolves and the DA and the other first founding chapters would have a freaking field day taking the Inquisition to task for all the shit they’ve pulled in the last 10,000 years. Grimnar would have be set loose.

Celestial Lions have one of the best designs out there

let the wolves be the herald of the demise of Malcador's failure.

I suspect the new codex imperium will have the founding legions allowed to regrow, 1st founding succesors allowed to rejoin or start building up to legion size, and other chapters allowed larger sizes or full legion size based on their history, or the task they're doing. Space Wolves and Black Templars instantly respond they're at full strength or higher.

Having extensively overplayed the Inquisition-revolved RPG Dark Heresy, I'd just like to state that the Inquisition isn't your standard Imperium mini-faction, so even declaring a war against them wouldn't be that straightforward. The Inquisition isn't an organised force like the Ministorum or Astartes, they're an occupation - Essentially freelance agents given the ultimate authority, more akin to Rogue Traders. The people keeping them in line are, in fact, other Inquisitors, who are constantly searching for signs of heresy within their rivals. The Inquisition are essentially the white blood cells of the Imperium's body - They're the ones that thwart genestealer/chaos/heretek cults before they become big enough to warrant a full-blown war, and more importantly, before they can spread corruption into the rest of the populace, an Exterminatus being a relatively rare event that only the most extremist Inquisitors will initiate. Disbanding the Inquisition would result in the Imperium unraveling entirely as a thousand uprisings pop up on every previously-secure planet, because without the Inquisition, this sort of thing could only be managed by each planet's assigned PDF or Arbites, which obviously wouldn't go great - And that was before the Great Rift happened. Like it or loathe it, the Horus Heresy probably wouldn't have happened at all if the Inquisition had been there to confiscate Fulgrim's sword or keep an eye on Lorgar. Given context, the Celestial Lions are, at best, dealing with a very small group of Inquisitors - Capable Inquisitors, perhaps, but the tiniest minority regardless. Ironically, if the Celestial Lions had sought the aid of other Inquisitorial branches, they might've spared themselves all these problems by counter-investigating to find their nemesis and lay judgement on them. As for the results of a hypothetical war, obviously if it was just the Inquisition's forces of Inquisitors & acolyte retinues versus even a few chapters of Adeptus Astartes, the Astartes have it. However, the Inquisition can requisition anyone - Including the Imperial Navy, the Imperial Guard, the Adepta Sororitas, and indeed, the Adeptus Astartes, if they're inclined to listen. A lot of chapters owe debts of loyalty to Inquisitors through acts in the past, so it's not really a 'space marine vs. them' argument, and inevitably it'd turn into another civil war with astartes killing astartes and guardsmen getting caught in the crossfire.

Gulliman declares the lnquision part of Chaos and orders all inquisitors to surrender to judgement or be exterminated. Those who refuse will face the Emperor's executioners.

I was actually working on a story of my own, I guess you could call it a fan fiction, about a Salamander space marine who would question his faith after being told certain things about the Imperium by an Alpha Legion sorcerer. At the end of the book he would end up killing an Inquisitor after they inadvertently caused a chaos outbreak on an Imperial world, and the book would end with him choosing to remain loyal to his brothers, but setting him up for a civil war between the Astartes and Inquisition which would happen in one of the sequels to this book. This is obviously just a short explanation and may sound contrived but there’s a lot more going into it. This topic is a very interesting one to me and I’m hopefully going to have my own trilogy/series about it written in the next couple years. Still have to finish this Salamanders story though!

The inquisitions overreach, the fact that they think they are the imperium, when in reality they were made to be the thing to protects the imperium, astounds me. This is one of the reasons I wish there were the Loyalists alpha legion chapters out there. Then again for all I know there are. They probably claim to be Raven Guard.

Id love to see some action against them. spears lions wolves just teach them a lesson.

Would love a space marine vs inquisition civil war....leading to guilliman enforcing stricter rules on inquisitors. its a step in the right direction

I'm very surprised that the inquisition haven't come to blows with the Salamanders yet

Guilleman nearly attacked Lion El Johnson during the heresy for ordering an orbital Maccrage because Curze was on the planet, he would probably fight the inquisition

Ive just started a small force of Black Dragons, I need to hear that story!

Inquisition has had some massive failures leading to huge conflict with founding chapters. Blood Angels(read their omnibus), Wolves, Dark Angels...

Guilliman (or any other loyalist primarch) versus the Inquisition would be a treat to witness

I've never liked the Inquisition but I've always thought they were needed since the Heresy. Still can't say I won't raise a beer if someone goes on a crusade against them. Justice for the Celestial Lions!!

Both the Machanicus, and Astartes chapters have told the Inquisition/Inquisitors to shove it. I think my favorite was a captain of the Howling Griffons telling the inquisitor, his seal only has power because of them.

As much as I love the chapter the Dark Angels are the one chapter who I fear would not put up with an Inquisition looking into their past or rendering judgement on them. Wouldn't it be grand to see the dark angels and space wolves go to war against the Inquisition

This reminds me of a quote from one of the older edition rule books: “Innocence proves nothing”

I would love to see all the chapters from all the legions against the inquisition

The way the Inquisition all too often acted and acts towards Space Marine chapters that just rendered the Imperium and humankind a great service, quite often under at great costs for themselfes, reminds me a lot of Andrei A. Schdanow, RCP party secretary of Leningrad, who achieved what was deemed impossible by many and successfully defended Leningrad against the german siege for more than two years and who even kept at least a modicum of arms industries working during all of the siege. After that, he was deemed too popular amongst the people by Stalin, denounced, overthrown, pulled in front of a kangaroo court and then at least indirectly killed. (He died as a result of a misdiagnosis which is deemed to be influenced by the party by historians.) So you either die as a hero or you live long enough to understand, being a hero is more a sign of severe idiocy and brain damage than of anything else that people love to read into this word, because you _will_ be punished for it. To me, this sounds a lot like a certain Inquisition is actually working for certain ruinous powers and _very_ busy herding people into their arms. I understand why there is a need for an organisation like the Inquisition, but as things are, burning it all to the ground and start completely new sounds like a good idea.

I always figured the Space Wolves were going to clash with the Inquisition because of the Wulfen. Seeing as the Inquisition tripped out over the Fire Hawks ability.

I'm surprised that no inquisitor was involved in the High Lord Rebellion against Guilliaman.

This would be a great new plot point. The astartes and certain guard regiments fed up with the inquisition. But the truly loyal inquisitors forced to either fight for a cause that may not be what it once was and die letting in even more chaos taint into the imperium because let's be honest here boys. The inquisition as cruel and petulant as it is does stem the tide of chaos internally

The Lion &/or the Wolf would most def declare totalwar against the inquisition, though after crushing the remnants of the 13 black crusade & the daemon primarchs still in the materium plane.

The Inquisition is too powerful of an organization that was entrusted by individuals who have too many ideals and opinions that conflict was going to be inevitable.

Total Fan here. I hate that I have to stop some videos because I haven't read certain books yet. I'm working on it.

The Imperial Inquisition: "None oppose the Inquisition." Literally every Astartes: >Legion Noises< The Imperial Inquisition: _"Uh wait can we still take that back?"_ The Legion: >Curbstomping Noises

Justice for the Celestial Lions!

Someone, PLEASE tell me that the Inquisitors who killed Ekene Dubaku, Chapter Master of the Celestial Lions, were held accountable for their heretical atrocities.

Yeah reading the emporers spears book and what happens in it with the inquisition I was totally caught off guard and pissed off. But this could be there undoing now I think

Love to see a Rho review of the inquisition vs the wolves

It's always struck me as funny that Roboute split the legions so that no one man may have such great power, but now we have Inquisitors having leagues more power and none of the leash. Funny how that works.

Celestial Lions are my main army love seeing them talked about!

I know the inquisition isn't always the most sensible of organisations. But a suicidal war? Before the primaris maybe, but now that they are present it would just not work out I don't think. Not that it would stop them....

effectively an inquisitor would say " We only answer to the emperor " and a VERY golden banana is going to say "How dare you you Miniscule Arrogant Man he is not for you to question he's the emperor's word, and when you went and rejected are emperors truth a hertic became you" a few seconds later the lockwarden had to clean his armor

I would absolutely love a group of people that have been wronged by Inquisitors to rise up and fight the Inqusition. Like whole planets and army's that's would be great, I doubt Guilliman or the Custodes would help them with the problems they caused lol.

And I just started to paint my Celestial Lions, this is Brilliant!!! XD

The Inquisition has no jurisdiction over the Adeptus Mechanicus, unless that's been changed? An excellent video. I'm firmly on the side of the Wolves for that one.

I'm just relieved that your pup is doing well.

I wonder if something like a civil war with the Inquisition would be enough to bring Leman Russ back and also see the Lion come back at the same time (or a Primarch at all). Or, perhaps, one of the warp-bound Primarchs comes back and is deemed heretical by the Inquisition and the Lion or somebody in realspace is summoned by the Emperor to assist in beating the Inquisition into order, kinda similar to the treatment Lorgar got from the Emperor.

Imagine the angel randomly appearing and murdering the inquisition in golden armor and long hair just for it to become the vessel for one of the emperor’s fragments sent out to find his sons.

One day, they are going to bite off more than they are going to be able to chew (probably piss off Guilliman and/or Dante (who are supposed to be in charge of the government if I understand the situation correctly)). Said people would be able to be petty back to them.

I want to see Guilliman’s reaction to all the inquisition did

I actually found one of your videos at below 500 views! I've never been this early before. I love your content

please continue telling us where from you are teking the lore, so we can read the novel and enjoy even more your amazing channel.

The Inquisition is maybe the most interesting organization in the Imperium. So many different factions and belief systems (Lutein vid on it was amazing) and despite the horror of their actions, Chaos is actually so awful that the Inquisition is the lesser of two evils. However, it goes without saying that the Inquisition needs a TTS style cleanup, and the Big Blue Bureaucrat may be just the man to tackle it (I love Guilliman but the alliteration was just too tempting). I would LOVE for Guilliman to find out about what happened to the Celestial Lions, and Dubaku's murder in particular.

I'm surprised you didn't bring up Grimaldus. As his star rises within the Black Templars, surely grievances will begin to be aired.

I love the Celestial Lions, balling into the right in polished gold and blue!

Worth noting they also ticked off the Dark Angels by stopping them redeeming a traitor.

I love the Black Dragons with all of their pointy bits..lol. And What the Inquisition DID to the Celestial Lions was nothing short of Appalling. And Now they're looking at My Celtic Crazy Spears? The Inquisition needs a TIME OUT....In the form of a BOLTER ROUND.

I can imagine all of the historical Loyal Space Marine Legions will start figuring out new eye opening ways of blasting a bolt cap in an Inquisitors unruly ass. I can imagine them picking fights with the Black Legion possibly the Dark Angels who themselves have worked to protect Chapters black listed by the Inquisition. However, I believe the biggest attempt they will probably make is flirting with the idea of assassinating Gulliman knowing full damn well that will trigger the warmth of probably even the Custodes themselves.

Why do I see tzeench in the background like yes everything is going according to plan

Its only a matter of time before the inquisition will try to mess with Guilliman. I'm sure the Primarch is already aware they are a problem and has most likely already set plans in motion to deal with them. I think we will see a scenario like with the highlords of terra, it will just be more involved with more moving parts and planning. The problem is the non corrupt parts of the Inquisition are very useful and can do things and go places a chapter never could.

I will add you have conflicts within the twin empires. The machine cult of Mars has had many wars with the inquisition.

*_Ekene Dubaku, Hero of the Mannheim Gap_*

Plot Twist: the new codex Gullimen is writing takes the grey knights out of the inquesition, and has Astartes not beholden to the inquesition at all. That suddenly takes a lot of power from the inquesition, Gullimen then only has to wait for the Inquisition to have to learn to behave, or for them to fuck up and suddenly a primarch has a public reason to move against them.

Lil late commenting here but I wanna see what happens when(hopefully) Corax returns from the Eye of Terror all warpy. Don't think that will sit well with the inquisition. Lol. Could really shake things up. Be interesting to see how The Lion reacts to the way things are in the 41rst too

I think the Inquisition is going to get a swift kick in the ass like Goge Vandire during the Age of Apostasy. As for Guilliman, well do know he spoke with the Emperor, and continues to serve the Emperor's will. If they were to go after Guilliman, they would be technically also be going against the Emperor's will. To be honest, I'd love to see Greyfax as the new leader of the Inquisition.

well the interesting thing about the celestial lions thing is that their now dead chapter master became good friends with Grimaldus on Armageddon, and after that war Grimaldus ordered a load of black templars to assist the lions with recruitment and training, and The Black Templars are also known for their hatred of the inquisition so they're gonna want some blood for his death aswell

A fun way to rescue the legacy of Lorgar from being a pathetic drip would be if he founded a Chaos Inquisition who went around brutally stamping out what they perceive as heresy against Chaos with the same fanaticism and efficacy as the Imperial Inquisition.

The Inquisition is fucked when Leman Russ comes back. Can you imagine Bjorn and Grimnar telling Russ about what happened during the months or shame?

Remember Grimaldus went to Hellbrict about fighting the Inquisition over the stuff they did the Celestial Lions and Hellbrict was down for it but had to kill Orks lol

All Guilliman would need to do is publish a list of the inquisitions actions and their more radical elements such as the Oblationists, Phaenonites, and so on ordering all loyal worlds, chapters and soldiers to purge the inquisition and that would fix that.

Gulliman calls the 13th together and marches on the Inquisition. Before they get there the Black Templars and Space Wolves join them for sure

Roboute will not outright disband the inquisiton. But I am sure he can write a codex on how they should operate ...

If the Inquisition managed to bring Guliman to his knees or worse. I’m tipping that theyd be soon speaking directly to the Emperor himself in much the same way he possessed Robute to address Mortarion and Nurgle.

Gabriel Seth loading death company onto drop pods for just such an event

I read both those books [emporers gift, spear of the emporer] and as Rho says; would recommend :)

Didn't the business against the celestial lions also earn the inquisition the ire of the Black Templars as well? I swear I heard that somewhere

1:15 very interesting way to say that? Never heard anyone else ever pronounce it like that...

It would be funny to see the Inquisition try to feud with the Space Wolves again after Russ' return.

Like the inquistion itself this would be both Great and Terrible. The fence is rotten but punching holes into it is going to cause disasters too.

Questions : 1. What If the Inquisition go's after Gulliman? 2. What Space marines Chapters would join Gulliman in the fight against the Inquisition? 3. Which space marines would join the Inquisition?

Inquisitors make good target practice. for vindicaire assassins.

This is the struggle that imperial institutions bring on themselves by letting cabals and cults run rampant within the structures they purport to endorse; the wrath of many Guilliman-line astartes could be brought upon the entire inquisition due to the actions of one or two inquisitor lords and their followers; without the awareness or the understanding of the rest of the inquisition or indeed the astartes in general. However, if some level of support or conspiracy were to be found among the administratum or it’s appendants…. Perhaps even the officials at the beck and call of the high lords…. It would be very difficult to disagree with the Astartes, no matter how extreme their counter-actions were. The inquisition would start to look a lot like the thing they are supposed to be preventing. Yet another Van Dyre and the schism.

It is an easy battle. Space marine captains/chapter masters whatever who have relationships with inquisitors call them and tell them they need their help and meet me on planet 'x', don't bring too much stuff we need to be stealthy. When the inquisitor arrives, they say that they are acting on behalf of The Captain General or Guilliman and he is the one who actually needs to see them. Inquisition can't be trusted but That one single inquisitor can be. Put him and his retinue on their battle barge as some combination of guest/prisoner and take him to Guilliman. If he is a sketchy inquisitor they put a bolt through his head mid flight but if he is a good guy Guilliman can use him to start a new Inquisition

Grey Knights, Minotaurs, Exorcists, Black Templars, wider Inquisition vs very pissed off good bois. More interesting than imperium vs chaos to me

What do you mean an inquisitor went missing again and our ships were seen in the area? It must've been orks. (Laughs in Dark Angel)

Could be funny to see some inquisitor to try to overrule the Guilliman... :)

I feel like the Celestial Lions will get their vengeance when/if Dorn returns. Having Guilliman intercede on their behalf seems like a bit of a let down.

The raven guard the son's of corvus corax will show how assassination is done right if they try to mess with their home world and their moon too. Ether with lightning 🌩 claws or a bolter round threw the head from a bolter pistol named black out 💥⚫💀☠🖤.

It isn't pettiness. The power resides where people see it resides. If a chapter master, no matter how small and insignificant, can speak against you and not suffer consequences - your power is lowered and you've just showed that your authority can be questioned. And the Inquisition can't exists if its authority is questioned - its authority is everything. It's like when in our world people ask why a certain superpower bothered with some small defiant country. Because the moment they start ignoring things like that, they step on a one way trip to not being a superpower anymore. It is why big companies don't accept no as an answer when they want to absorb a smaller business. It will be bought or destroyed. Or like how the Emperor did not allow any world to be independent. It is either unification or death. That's simply how power works. If you are not exercising the full and absolute power, you are losing it. There is no middle ground. So while at the first glance it might look like the Inquisition is the all-powerful organization that should not bother itself with some insignificant defiance - in reality, if they do not respond, the next one will be bigger, and bigger, and bigger - until one day the power and authority is completely melted away.

The lion ain’t going to be down with the inquisition when he gets up from his nap there going to be a reckoning

Should those that faced Chaos be purged, lest the taint spread? Absolutely. Should those that didn't directly face said Chaos be purged? Now that's a job for the Inquisition do do. To determine how far it spread, not just "nuke 'em all". Another thing the Inquisition seems to forget, and some fans, is that the Astartes do not fall under their jurisdiction. The Ordo Astartes monitors Chapters and ensures they follow the guidelines of the Codex (staying under 1000 marines, not employing warships beyond their remit etc) but an inquisitor, even a Lord Inquisitor, actually cannot just say "Do as I say, for I answer to the Emperor!" because the Astartes also answer directly to Him. This, however, also shows the failure of the Ordo Astartes in doing their job. A Chapter is not to be looked at by, say the Ordo Hereticus, until they are deemed heretics by the Ordo Astartes.

Guilliman decreed no more EXTERMINATUS to anyone of the 500 planets of ULTRAMAR; in the Dark Imperium series. The Inqusition is slowly being replaced by the Historitors bearing the seal of the Lord Regent, according to Sulimani many died trying to deliver the original copy of the Book of Logar to Guilliman

REMEMBER THE MONTHS OF SHAME!! FOR RUSS, FOR THE ALL FATHER

OHHHHHH 1337 RUN TIME I ALREADY KNOW THE VIDEO IS GONNA BE GOOOOOOOOD!

The great reformation of the church of mankind is long overdue. Maybe a purge of tainted clergymen and a revision of the book of the emperor of mankind. I see the religion of the emperor of mankind as being important to the defeat of chaos. Imagine it. The channel of the souls of mankind towards the god-emperor of mankind would be akin to the birth of slanessh.

The inquisition is corrupt if not more or the same as the ruinous powers. Malcador had his reasons, and the assassinorum has its place in the wider imperium, but the different factions within the inquisition just fuels the fires

War against the inquisition? *Logan starts stretching in his terminator armor*