For once people dont be bias, Derrick rose is the best PG hands down not even close. He is faster than an player he even has world record for fastest baseline to baseline with basketball. Hes one of the only point guards that can dunk on 7 footers and only one that even lebron doesn't try to block cuz hes scared of a poster. He was the only player 3 years straight to be top 10 in PPG and APG, Hes finally elevated his game to the point that he can score from any distance, any angle, at anytime. No one is better than him at playing the board. and there is no Pg better once you get below the free throw line. Not to mention if D rose wanted to dribble like he really can, like he did on the streets he'd have espn top 10 in one game but doesnt cuz thats not how he plays. plus doesnt need it cuz he can cross anyone in the nba. And youngest MVP in NBA history
Yeah just unfortunate for him really. To utilize that hopstep in super explsive way is hard for ur knees to keep up daily. Still wished he didnt get injured. so we cud see more greatness
It's not about how good they were in their Rookie seasons, it's about improving as time goes on, D. Rose is only 22, in his 3rd year and will be the youngest player in NBA history to win the MVP.
THEY BOTH HAVE A SIMILAR STYLE OF PLAY THEY BOTH ARE FAST AND CAN GET TO THE WHOLE WITH OUT FEAR OR A SECOND THOUGHT THEY BOTH NO THEIR TEAMS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES THEY NOW HOW TO USE THEIR TEAMS I'D SAY THEY'RE EVENLY MATCHED INDIVIDUALLY
there are Both similar in regards to their Ceiling and both have similar Skill sets but they both have differences in their games. Rose is more of a scorer and is asked to do so. Wall is more of a Pure PG and is a better defender on the ball. Wall reminds me of a bigger stronger, quicker, more athletic rondo, who doesn't have a broken Jumpshot. Rose has a lot of AI in him. if Wall had more talent around him people would see just how good he is. With that said Rose is better as of right now.
0:56 watch Wall. Now that is what truly separates the two. Rose would have been hauling ASS back on defense to defend that layup, but Wall doesn't feel like it. Rose > Wall
Let's compare the stat averages in their rookie season: Derrick Rose - 16.8 PPG; 6.3 AST; 3.9 Reb John Wall so far (64 games) - 16.3 PPG; 8.6 AST; 4.5 Reb Which one is better?
i think its the rate at which Derrick Rose improved in his 3 short years in the league that gives him an advantage over Wall. 2nd year all-star, youngest MVP ever, not many superstars can say they've accomplished what Rose has. His work ethic is a direct correlation to what you see on TV. Of course we haven't gotten to see what Wall will do in his next two years in the league
John never possessed Rose's body control that allows him to score from almost anywhere on the hardwood. And his IQ is considerably higher than Wall's. He knows how to use screens to get to the paint, something Wall still struggles with.
Everything you said was true, but not anymore. John wall is a better player than Derrick rose now. They both struggle at the three point line and are around the same speed. Well Jwall is quicker, Rose is more explosive. John wall has a better mid range shot and makes his teammates alot better. 10.2 assist per game isn't nothing. He averaged 12assist against Toronto, no one else was near double digits. For almost 2 months, he was leading the league in steals
+josiah whynn Not true at all. The only reason why wall is "better" than rose now is because rose has obviously been injured for a few years. Before the injuries rose's 3 point percentage rose every season, and had a way better mid range game than wall in his career, not to mention rose was a lot faster and quicker. Wall never possessed rose's body control or vertical leap that allowed him to quickly slice through double teams and slides to finish at the rim. If you look at rose's matchups with wall this past season, rose still bested him and he wasn't even playing at 100% like it was game 7 in the playoffs. Look at wall when he drives the lane, he almost always passes when a hand is up unless he's pushing fastbreak. If rose wasn't injured, he'd already have more mvps and maybe a ring, while wall is still shooting horribly from the 3, after improving from a disastrous 7% to a mere 30%. Paul still leads the league in steals and assists. And he averaged 12 assists against an inexperienced toronto team with their all star players being injured. that's nothing impressive.
True. Heck you don't even need a winning record in the east to make it to the playoffs. The point is that the bulls have been consistent and stable enough to make it to the playoffs almost year in and year out with/without a star. Not every team can do that, not even in the east.
@meamud yes, ofc i can't deny the possibility of wall becoming even better than rose, yet still no1 must forget the fact rose is still 22 years old and can still improve.
@packers256 I'm not saying Wall doesnt have the skill or potential to be as good as Rose. I'm just saying that Rose has worked harder, and is probably working harder than John Wall now, and its too late for John Wall to catch up unless something happens to Rose. If John Wall can last long enough and train hard enough, maybe one day he'll surpass Derrick, but not while Derrick is still in the NBA.
@305Southbeach continued: Javale McGee, aside from dwight howard, easily the most athletic center in the nba. Has good hands as well, if hes near the rim,hes dunking the ball. Also possess good handles for a center. Thats just your starting 5, you also have yi jian lian a chinese pf/sf tweener who has length and ability to shoot and put the ball onthe floor. You have jordan crawford a guy with hops handles and no shooting conscious. You have josh howard, a 6'7 forward known for his two way game
@TheStaticKling Could have made that clear. And yeah. Wall has a higher assist count then Rose. However, Rose is a scoring point guard. Wall's APG is 8.2 while Rose's APG is 6.7. However you can't get assits while your scoring. Rose has 20.8 PPG , Wall has 16.4. Can't really dish out assists when you are scoring right?
You're completely underrating Taj and Joakim. Boozer is very frustrating to watch so I can't even help him out here. The Bulls knew they weren't going to win this year, they discussed it all over interviews. They are rebuilding as of now around Derrick Rose. They only need a a pure scorer inside the paint like at least an Aldridge or a David Lee, who have decent posts moves. They need another average player like Deng at the 2 to start and play some good minutes and put up 15+ a game.
@WOYFG remember when he first came into the league he couldn't shoot a lick,played out of control at times,couldn't pass the ball well and had trouble with turnovers but he continued to work on his game until he got better at all those things.all I'm saying is give wall a couple more years to develop his game before you start comparing him to rose, it's rare that a rookie comes into the league pro ready..a lot of them struggle their first year.
@305Southbeach no the reason why we put there is this video is because everybody was saying Wall would come into the league and be better than Derrick right off the bat. Give wall a year or two and he will be as good as Rose 2010 2011 season. Derrick will be even better and i would bet money have a ring.
@amaaramore i think youve got it wrong.. John Wall (September 6, 1990) and Derrick Rose (October 4, 1988) thats not a few months older lol and youve got to keep in mind that even an extra year getting mentored by nba coaches makes all the difference. just ask blake griffin.
You gotta be kidding me...... Wall over Curry? Wall over Irving? Wall over Parker? (Maybe in 2 years but not now) Wall over Rondo? Seriously dude what planet are you living on?
Wall was a rookie and it was his 1st season in the NBA and he's already averaging as much a Derrick rose yu better watch out for him this season the wizards are making a crazy comeback just wait and see
@305Southbeach I'm pretty sure Wall's TO was higher than 2 a game. Big difference was Rose was putting those numbers in a playoff team playing meaningful games.
John Wall is actuallly faster than rose and still has ton of room for improvement Rose already reached his best, John wall was super young and raw next year he will be the 3rdd best pg behind rose and westbrook probs
@beastieboy1998 exactly ! he needs better pieces but the wizards are gonna be a playoff team when they get jared sullinger, andre drummond or harrison barnes
By comparing the two guards RIGHT NOW rose is obviously the better player only due to the fact wall just completed his rookie campaign. However, this is where observation and analysis begins.. Rose is just barely scratching the surface of his potential and everyone who's been keeping up with rose knows just what he is capable of; 25ppg with 8 apg which is considered very good and even have the potential to do 30 10 depending on the workload but I highly doubt he'll reach that at any given time
The Bulls already had a functioning team and system before getting him and were LUCKY to get the number 1 overall pick.. Wizards had been struggling for years and not even Kobe or Lebron could have saved the wizards.. Besides the wizards are better now.. Only thing that stopped them this year were injuries..
@jayyyraddd12 i agree drose is better, but with a much better team. john wall has no one to stand behind him drose has people that will help him to get the best record, and go to the conference finals. i think john wall will eventually be one of the best players in the nba.
@305Southbeach Nick Young-A sg with good size, and a terrific stroke especially from midrange. He can also handle the ball well and create his own shot. Rashard Lewis-A perpetual mismatch, he has the size and strength to post up on normal sfs and the ability to shoot the ball and stretch out the defense, can also take big men off the dribble. Andray Blatche- a pf who thinks hes a guard. Has unusual quickness and handles as well as a decent midrange shot, but still the size and strength of a pf.
wizards without wall =.170, with him =.485, john wall is 23 right now and was 20 during the 10-11 season, derrick rose was 22 had 2 years more developement, and right now hes 25, i think in a few years he will be the best or tied for best pg in the league
Why didn't you use the John Wall song? I mean, I understand if you couldn't, but if you could, why didn't you? I would. I don't know if you did have the chance to use it, but if you didn't, I understand.
You "clearly" don't know what struggling is. Even 41 wins is pretty decent. Wall and the wizards have yet to hit the 30 win mark.. The bulls were always a good defensive oriented team but just didn't have a complete star player until they got Rose. They won 47 games in 05 without a star (and ironically got eliminated by the wizards) and 49 games in 06. They continued to make the playoffs till the 07-08 season where they had a 1.7% chance of getting the #1 pick, hence LUCK.
@blackfluid123 You mean john wall is faster? Rose is a better jumper both are quick (wall faster end to end). The thing about rose is he's more explosive while wall is more agile and nimble.
John Wall is an all out beast. d-rose will never even be able to compete with him.I mean really look at him...Dougie,BETTER Crossovers,Stop and Shoot with a Sick Jumper,plays much Smarter with the ball,and is just an all-around player.It is just the BEGINNING of JOHN WALL!!!
@ChayaLoveDerrickRose Coming from a Bulls fan, you must literally know nothing about basketball if you think Rose is the best "playmaker". That being said, Rose has been the best player this year and is bringing the MVP home. :)
@WaviiDre You think their #1 and #2? Ever think about Chris Paul? During this years playoff he was a beast and is now considered #1 point guard in the NBA "Today", especially since he's health again.
Frankly, Derrick Rose has the better team, with more support around him it gives him more flexibility to do what he wants. Rose does have a better jumpshot than Wall, but Rose has also had more time to work on his jumpshot. Looking at the rookie stats, they are around the same except for the fact that Wall has a lot more assist, but at the same time, Wall does have more turnovers, which is to be expected from a distributor. Give it a couple years and Wall will be at Rose's level.
I understand that you are in love with Derrick Rose and all, but you have to admit that Wall's jumpshot is developing quicker than Rose's shot when he was a rookie.
compare their rookie stats. that sounds fair. also derrick rose had a better supporting cast then john wall did last season. give john wall time and a supporting cast and he will be the best pg in the league.
I say any day any where rose would kick kyries ass and in the future and now he is and will always be the better player as long as he has no more major injuries.
@SgtKgosi thats a total misconception...they are more opposite of each other than similar in terms of how they play and demeanor. They are uber athletic offensive minded guards...and the comparisons end there.
When John wall wins the MVP, leads his team to a league best record, and takes his team to the playoffs (let alone the Eastern Conference finals) come talk to me. Its not even a contest at this point. Drose > Jwall
Its all in the jersey numbers if you ask me. Rose is #1 and as long is Rose is around Wall will have to "AT LEAST" be second to best, mind you I said AT LEAST
@ConiferTreez how is wall injury prone?? he barely gets injured know your facts bro and wizards do suck but they can be better by gettin better pieces for john
@REVkingtremain its not premature. we are talking about right now. and right now derrick rose is better. yeah he played more seasons but the question is who is better right now so you have to say rose. thats my point. and i know wall will get better. and yeah calipari said that but who is better in the nba. and no john wall isnt the fastest on a fast break. either lebron when he is trying, or derrick rose, then john wall. and after a few more years, your right everyone will know. rose > wall
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