Let me put it that way: for the 600 yds shots, the FR-F2 was the smarter choice. The 8" barrelled MR 73 wasn't intended for long range work but precision shots at medium ranges like 50 m.
Glad Ian at least tried the revolver. Using "Forgotten Weapons" in matches shows how much progress (or lack of progress) has been made over time. Sometimes the oldies are goodies, sometimes not.
I think besides the necessary reloading, he just lacked time with the revolver. He loved it so much that he wanted to take it out on that occasion. A lot of the pistol poppers are doable. The spinner with a revolver is definitely extra brutal. I hope he gives it more time and maybe installs an optic on it to have some really cool videos. Lefty revolver chronicles.
@@onpsxmember Spinners are a piece of cake using Double Action with a revolver, it is well known a DA fired revolver is faster between shots than autos.
I have to be honest, I'm completely in love with the fact that Ian chose to use a revolver with full power cartridges, this shows how much passion he has for what he does, putting himself at a great disadvantage just to have fun and enjoy historical weapons, nice work pal, I mean it.
That's the beauty of the Brutality matches. They're hard, but there's way more emphasis on fun and LARPing (for lack of a better term) with a themed kit than pure gamerism focused on the fastest time.
I'm an IPSC-revolver guy who has a few years of strutting a S&W 686 with factory .357mag for giggles at most of my local matches, and I gotta say: Ian, it's been fantastic watching you pick up the nuances of reloading a service revolver on your own. A nice reminder these guns can absolutely still keep pace when you make silky smooth reloads. As always, I appreciate that you like going to competitions with your own set of personal rules or unusual equipment for your own version of doing things on "hard mode." Things are more fun with variety. Fantastic job and footage as always!
On the Sniper Spinner, at 8:35, you can CLEARLY see the spinner goes over in only two hits, but the ROs didn't catch it. Still nice getting it in three (and it's not like it would have changed much overall), but unfortunate.
Hi there Ian. First of all, i really like your channel and your videos. I'm from Finland. Your english is so easy to follow and listen, basiclly i understand everything you say, it's so clear. Thanks for that. Second, i really like the historic parts, with old weapons. Myself i have few guns, what i use for hunting. But the precious one is my Sako P54 .22 cal. It has serial number 102, so it's not that special, but from early days of that model. Still accurate like nothing, and i've been shooting with that since i was 7... Wich is 38 years ago. Anyways, thank you so much for this great channel you have, and keep on doing good work. Cheers, Tommi from Finland.
these videos where you take interesting guns to different matches are some of the best videos you make. I especially love when you take weird guns to the B.U.G. matches.
The filming and red circles in these are excellent. In most match content we really have no context for what the stage even looks like but here it was clear, thanks! And even apologizing for the 1 out of 3 of these posted thus far where the spinner is visible at all for it being slightly hard to see: selling the video short. 👍
Stage 1 was definitely a complete bear and it was all to do with that dang rifle target and the way that virtually no match challenges your standing unsupported rifle beyond about 50 yards. More matches need to present deceptively difficult shots like that. I only needed 7 rounds of pistol for all 5 hits, but I spent 28 rounds of rifle for only 4 hits and par'd out with 1 penalty.
Oh, that prone position in dust against spinner is classic thing when one under clock and stress just keeps following the plan (even its bad one) and do not try to adapt to situation - go to barricade and shoot while resting on it. Nice match overall and thanks for sharing it. I think revolver overall wasnt that bad idea in the end, really great to see it performing in tough enviroment.
I love Ian because he is real no matter what. He chose his guns knowing it would be difficult, struggled at times, but still just tells how it is and doesn't make excuses. Big respect to you bro.
I have been watching your channel for many years (not always via my current youtube account) and enjoy and value every video you post. It helped make me wan to 'get into' shooting (I am in the UK so it's quite a challenge to own firearms here) however today I won my first service rifle competition with a Lee Enfield. Thanks so much for your channel. It's entertaining and informative beyond measure. Josh.
As an outsider looking into the American gun culture. These types of matches look fun and challenging. I get the feeling a 2k race gun wouldn't give too much advantage.
there's a sort of bell curve on gear for this sort of thing. bad gear WILL hold you back contrary to what many people on the internet say. but you also get diminishing returns after a point- but you still get returns. the 2k race gun may not give much advantage here because this sort of shooting isn't what it's for, but you'd have a very big advantage if your gun had an optic and was light compared to someone using older equipment like heavy steel rifles and iron sights. kind of sad ian isn't using the WWSD rifle for this, as it seems like a perfect application for it, but i get that he's using guns he loves and it's just as cool to see these old french weapons get a last hurrah.
@@dootdoot6236 well Ian said yesterday that he was in the cold war era for the weapon brackets so he could only use weapons made between 1946 and 1991 so the only AR's he could use on that match are the earlier m-16's and the AR-10. But yeah it'd still be cool to see a wwsd 2020 rifle competing
@@dootdoot6236 Karl from InRange is using his WWSD in the match and Ian already used his WWSD in previous brutality matches including the two most recent Finnish Brutality matches.
Seeing you put all of your matches out, good and bad, and honestly owning it and breaking it down really gives me some confidence to go out and try some matches. I'm kinda terrified of looking like a fool, but everyone starts somewhere and the added stress seems like a great training tool.
The dust reminds me of a time when the smoke from a gun made the targets dissapear. It was just a 6 shot 25 meter position but it became impossible to see the targets towards the end as the sun was in a perfect angle to turn the thin smoke into a brownish curtain. There was hardly any wind so the smoke wasn't either going anywhere fast enough.
Regarding the FAMAS.. The weapon itself is a great platform. For those difficult stages, I think we were seeing the difference in sighting systems between combat irons and modern optics.
Hey Ian, since you have a thing for german prototypes and guns that look like they were made in outer space, I suggest you take a look at the PDSR-III revolver. Would love to see you have a breakdown of that gun.
If you want to pity someone? Feel sorry for the work experience kid who has to go out there with a metal detector next week & find all the dropped rounds among the spent casings! He gonna feel like Moses before he is done!
I enjoy your match videos because you use interesting firearms. Under pressure and on the clock points out the shortcomings of some guns. Glad you are not just a gamer.
I love that you're shooting what is fun rather than what is good. It's absolutely what I would do if I ever managed to get close to your level. But alas, I'm just this guy in Sweden who has never even fired a proper gun and will almost certanly never get close to shooting a brutality match. I do enjoy watching though.
Really depends on the ruling. If it's a 25yard offhand 5 shots precision shooting contest I think a relvolver is the better choice but for a tactical type shooting competition yeah you're stuffed with that thing.
Ian is not even using the DA feature, and is not showing real dexterity in his reloads. It shows the revolver in Ians hands, not the full potential of the revolver.
Ian totally looks like an early 2000’s videogame bad guy in the thumbnail of this video. And as always his content is informative and interesting, no surprises there.
It’s really nice to see you using the iron sights on your rifle and pistol and a revolver too. Using the original scope on the DMR is a real treat as well.
The shakes are no shit man. We did a battle march in basic for infantry school at Benning. I'm confident I hit nothing. We ruck/ran on a forced march 10 miles with 35-40 lbs of kit then immediately shot.
Transition from the light weight single action revolver trigger, to heavy long drag trigger of the MAS223. Oy vei! Yet, I can say this, I could not do this match. I'm out of shape, bad health, and not that good of a shot. My compliments to you, Ian. Good show!
Ian demonstrating the benefits of prone and brace shooting over off hand. Also, you can see the profound effect of strenuous activity on accuracy. I'm guessing that running then shooting would be something that needs to be practiced a lot to keep proficient at.
Wow I cannot believe the difference shooting the Famas from the bipod made over you standing free hand. I'm sure the kegel bell wore you out as well as the heavy trigger pull on the Famas, but those bipod shots were great.
Ian using a revolver made me think that it would be very interesting if someone put on a Brutality match where only revolvers and single shot rifles were allowed.
You proved in part that revolvers are just as good as a semi auto up to the point where you have to reload and that's why they are no longer in military, or for the most part, police service. I enjoy shooting a revolver and for civilian concealed carry, a J-frame in the pocket is a top choice for the niche of a gun you carry when you can't carry anything else. Like my 2nd wife, it seemed like a fun idea at the time despite the warnings from friends. I think you'd still have been within your French theme had you gone with a Beretta 92G (Gendarmerie) for your sidearm. But you had fun and that's what counts!
I'd argue that the time spent to reckock the action and reacquire sight picture between shots (in situation where shooting them double action is not an option because of range) is also a big disadvantage for revolvers. For Self Defense / Concealed Carry, that part is also probably less important, as you're unlikely to need to use your weapon at longer range.
I know some military guys who preferred to carry a revolver as a last chance weapon vs a semi auto. Yes the reload sucks but as I was told if your using a pistol of any kind, you probably won't need to or get the chance to reload it anyway. The revolver doesn't have the chance of a jam like a semi auto which in that situation would be great.
@@admiraltiberius1989 I've seen revolvers tied up. If you maintain them properly, and it's something as robust as a service six or Ian's frog Ruger, its nearly a given it will work, but most s&ws and python I've ever handled that had actually been shot, were in need of tuning. Shaving lead is tolerable, but a fouled hand or bent ejector rod can completely stop you.
@@randymagnum143 anything can jam, absolutely anything. That's a golden rule to remember. But a revolver, if maintained and serviced, is much less likely to then a semi auto as you said and noted. My duty carry Glock 41 is 98 percent reliable but sometimes low quality training rounds give it absolute grief and gum up the works.
As someone who never fired a single bullet in my entire life, your gun safety awareness astounds me. Even during that moment of euphoria at 2:25 you remembered to point the 100% empty gun, without a finger on the trigger away from the bystanders. And let the guys around you know that you do.That's just brutal. Which makes me wonder: If you break safety protocols in competition such as these, will you get a penalty or just get disqualified on the spot?
I was just re-watching some of the DB runs by various RU-vidrs and had an idea for what I think would be an interesting video, Ian discussing the spinner from the point of view of an engineer, with some actual testing of various calibers to find the sweet spot. Karl has his trapdoor in .45-70, (he might have a .45-70 lever gun as well) Ian has his FR-F2 and of course both have the WWSD carbines. Would also love to see a comparison of a 9mm with 115 and 147g vs a .45 with hardball.
Had you had the A2 compensater with the closed off bottom and heavier .556 might have been easier on the FAMAS spinner. Wish I could afford one of those revolvers. Good show Ian.
Our Hero who seems to sport un treillis francais but has one glaring mismatch: his beret is incorrect. French berets come down on the left, not the right. - Un marsouin - ancien du 6.
Very impressive shooting with the long range rifle in part one though Ian, for someone that frequently says they can't shoot long range every shot " HIT ! " Nice work !
