Destiny 2 Lore - We now know what The Final Shape is. It means nothing good for us… 

I like how we've learned that The Witness is essentially just an entire race's collective existential crisis.

The Final Shape is just bans for everyone in game

A funny thing with the origin of the Witness is that I feel it explains why the Witness had disciples with their own ideas and agendas. The Witness is an entity that understands the need for a purpose, so by giving them a purpose The Witness is giving them something the Gardener never gave The Winess' race. As well as this. It also doesn't matter what the disciples do, since this is just a temporary universe to the Witness

I can’t believe I’ve been playing this game since the alpha just to come to find that the Traveler’s main adversary is an entire population of people that couldn’t deal with a lack of control and all combined to form a space Karen.

Nothing is perfect. Savathun told us a year ago; “The Witness seeks the final shape, and the final shape is nothing.”

I wonder if the reason that The Witness never truly describes the Final Shape to its disciples is because it knows that its disciples, or at least many of them, are not intended to be a part of it. The Disciples wouldn't want to fight for a shape they wouldn't be a part of, if they knew they were fighting for their own annihilation. By allowing each disciple to hold their own illusion of the Final Shape, each imagines a shape which they are a part of, thus ensuring their loyalty.

Hey Byf, you didnt get to mention Nezarec or even Calus’ perspective of the Final Shape: that being Nezarec wanting to fold himself into the fabric of existence itself like a parasite to be fed upon it forever and Calus’ desire to be the very last thing to exist before the current reality’s end.

"The thing about perfection is that it's unknowable. It's impossible, but it's also right in front of us all the time" -Kevin Flynn, 2011

The final shape will arrive and it will undoubtedly be Taniks in his final form. Taniks, Error Code Fallen

a theory i have is that the Traveler never realized how dangerous its power could be, which gave the Witness the impression that it was destructive. So when the Witness started chasing down the Traveler, the Traveler was not only blessing tons of civilizations in hopes that they could stand against the Witness, but it was also trying to prove itself that it’s not at all destructive. “Hey look, I blessed this species! Look at how they’re thriving! Please stop chasing me!” Like the Traveler is a naive being and only now realized how destructive its power could be

As a long time Destiny player...it feels weird but kind of exciting for the game's main villain to be the Anti-Spirals shooting for an SMT law ending

i am confused why everyone is so surprised by savathun being involved in this ? there's a whole bunch of walls in her throne world that have the same pink purple colour scheme as the portal in the traveller and she used to be a high ranking servant of the witness . like why was no one already looking into that before is my question

It is symbolically done that the Last City was under the protection of the Traveler, and the other last city, Neomuna, was under the protection of the veil.

I often think to Toland's early descriptions of the sword logic and wonder if the 'war' between molecules and 'primordial broth' has actually concluded.

It’s been giving me major “Heaven” vibes from DIO in stone ocean, which is a really cool concept and it’s awesome to see that idea kinda explored in another universe.

I used to see the Light as life/creation and the Darkness as Death/Destruction but lately i think they more accurately represent chaos and harmony. The light can create and destroy but does it in a random, unpredictable and chaotic way as you can see by creatures closer to the light as humanity, cabal and eliksni also by the 'trees' of the Traveler. The darkness represents unity, simplicity and harmony but we are used to see it in a bad way. Species closer to the darkness such us the Hive and Vex clearly represent this concept, either by consumption or asimilation both achieve for transforming everything into hive or vex, the sword logic is simple and so is the Hive's chain of command. The Vex are even a more clear example of unity and harmony, transforming everything into Vex. Also the pyramid from the witness represents simple geometry in contrast with the traveler. The Light makes you forget and forces you to create a new life in chaos, the darkness allows you to remember and structure things around you. Both can be used to create and destroy but in opposite ways. The Witness can only see the suffering that chaos has, but is incapable of understanding that life being chaotic can also be wonderful in other ways. Because they cannot comprehend life as being chaotic, they want to erase everything even if it means complete destruction. After all, nothingness can also be understood as harmony.

The witness lacked purpose in the beginning and saw that as bad. So it found its purpose in a desire to end the thing that gave it a purpose, chaos. Ironic.

I'm just gonna call the "Predeccessors to the Witness" The Veiled. Because that's what these statues actually represent.

My initial thought when I saw that Witness origin cutscene was that the Witness was not actually the bad guy, because it’s not seeking to destroy the Traveler, it’s just seeking the combination of light and dark to bring about perfection (and maybe peace?) in the universe. But now, knowing that the Final Shape would wipe out all life in the universe, and considering all the suffering the Witness has wrought, they may be even more evil than I originally thought.

This reminds me of the idea Savathun was trying to escape the universe upward into our universe, it's almost like The Witness wants to escape a universe downward but he wants to wipe out any chance something could harm it from the middle universe

I find it similar to a kind of Ur facism, the witness seeks to take control of a universe that does not belong to him, and takes the most drastic means possible to achieve its goals, as well as lying to his underlings to get their loyalty, before they see the power they helped create then be used against them as well.

One thing I'm thinking about while listening here, is since the witness got to sol, he has literally paid no mind to us or anyone related to our side of the alliance. His focus is unbroken entering the portal, he was fixed on the travel, then the veil and took control of our ghost, spoke through it, like it was a part of him, and literally paid no mind to anything but his goal while doing it, when he killed the ghost and sliced the guardians ship to pieces he did it without malice, or even thought, tanked a direct blast of light from the traveler, locked in gaze at it the whole time, nothing else has been even remotely concerning to him and that's kind of scary, he theoretical could just slice the earth in half before jumping in the portal. The moment we catch up, and he turns around, damn that better be a good moment in the game.

"Safe from pain, and truth, and choice; and other poison devils. See they don't care about you, not like I do." Pet by a perfect circle. Really reminded me of this.

I think I see where the Ahamkara fit into this. They feed off the difference between what is real and what you wish for. They essentially embody the base concept of the final shape, and act as an introduction to it for others. I think it likely that the witness taught them to use the darkness in that fashion

I really liked how you basically defined Stasis is as an "element of" sort of thing. It really had me thinking for a solid half hour. From a basic understanding, each Light element has a Dark element counterpart. For example, Solar seems to be opposite of Stasis on a more simpler stance, and Void being the opposite of Strand. If Stasis is the element of control, what would solar be? Well, from an understanding of Solar's properties, it does mending and scorching or just healing and burning. Solar seems to be the element of regeneration. I say this because controlling, on a more figurative stance, makes healing processes more volatile. That brings me to my thought of controlling being the opposite of regenerating. Strand on a basic point, leans more into a metaphysical part; in relation to the mind, and it makes sense. A cosmic web holding all of life and death together. But Strand is in relation of the connection, the more conscience of everything. So, Strand is the element of conscience. And so, since Void is its opposite, what is it the element of? The element of vacancy. Void suppresses, weakens, devours, etc., and so, it eventually vacates what was once there. But, Void then adds that vacancy to somewhere different. You. Over-shields, invisibility, etc. Now why are they opposites? On a more figurative stance, the inner-thought described with conscience is filling up that nothingness in vacancy. Ok, well, what is Arc then? Arc is obvious: the element of motion. Arc, for one, amplifies you, but also has jolting capabilities. It all on simple terms is just motion. Well, since all the other subclasses have opposites, what is opposite the element of motion? Stagnancy--the element of stagnant. Solar is the element of regeneration. Stasis is the element of control. Void is the element of vacancy. Strand is the element of conscience. Arc is the element of motion. Whatever the final Darkness power there is (if we even get one), is the element of stagnant. (Edit: I would also like to add that, in my opinion, I think this is the best understanding of the Light and Dark on simplest terms. The Light is the idea and reality and is the power of chaos. The Darkness, however, is the idea of possibility and is the power of perfection. I think their ideas are how they are because of Osiris' physical and metaphysical analogy: the Light is what is in the physical body, while the Dark is the idea of the metaphysical body or just the mind. And well, their powers because of what this video is about. We learned that the Darkness shows what perfection and flawlessness can be, and its safe to assume that the Light is the power of chaos because well... we learned that from the cutscene. "Unfettered chaos" and "Eternal and perfected." The Light and Dark.)

I value freedom over destiny. I value individuality, uncertainty of life, flaws etc. A place with no suffering nor mistakes is a place with no growth, and a place that doesn’t know growth holds no life. See in a world where things can be so very hard the nice things hold more value. The greatest characters and fullest lifes were carved out of pain and struggle. Living is a flawed existence, and that’s the beauty of it, that’s what gives it value. Life is a dance, a push and a pull, not a statue, a statue just is but will never be alive.

For the Final Shape and what we know now. Is weirdly similar to how to Awoken were created. As Mara, though then known as Alice, shaped them. The collapse had the Traveller and the Veil involved as well. So possibly the Final Shape already exists as the Awoken who are both Light and Darkness. Inside the Distributary there was also no real suffering either.

The Final Shape is Fenchurch, that's why Eververse is going wild lately.

Final shape = error code: weasel

The thing that always sticks with me is when the Witness was first introduced and said "Enough. Enough death... enough life." This gives me the impression that the Final Shape is some kind of horrible cosmic limbo between life and death. Perhaps it is a universe that is stripped of entropy, with the consciousness of every living being fused into a single, unthinking mind; a state of being where you cannot move, cannot think, cannot feel, only vaguely aware of your own existence for all of eternity. Or, the Final Shape is literally just the Witness using the combined power of the Traveler and the Veil to "take" the Universe.

So the Final Shape is essentially what Thanos was gonna do if he won in Avengers Endgame. A new universe built the way it wants from the Atom up. Also isn't The Witness a hypocrite? It has both personally and through its disicples and agents caused way more suffering than any hypothetical suffering the the Traveller and its Light might have caused through these so called disasters.

“There is no perfection only life” ― Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being

Interesting that the witness relies on total obedience and control without question in its disciples, so when Calus dared to step out of line it completely lost its shit.

What I’m curious about is how different is our timeline compared to others Elsie has seen? I hope we get more lore regarding her and her past attempts

This man is the only way I consume Destiny anymore and I don't even play 2 anymore

“The Traveler revolution it’s consequences have been disastrous” -the Witness

For people whove seen evangelion, it feels kinda like human instrumentability but on a universal scale.

Byf vid = good day, let's gooo

Like a full year or so ago I had brought up to some friends how I thought it was so interesting looking at the depictions of Light vs Dark in Destiny vs Final Fantasy 14. In FF14, Dark embodies the chaos of mutation, of unfettered and unshackled life, whereas Light embodies the order of crystallization, stasis, but also structure. Though in large part the moral ideas remain the same. You may see where I'm going with this- Destiny, especially cemented in this latest cutscene, looks at the Light as the ability of life to grow, chaotic and free, while Darkness is the side of enforced order, through the elimination of that which threatens it. And of course our first element in that field was literally called Stasis. I find it so interesting that two groups of writers could look at the base ideas of "chaos of life" and "order of stasis" and draw completely different, almost diametrically opposed philosophical implications from that. Edit: I also find it funny that separate from that, FF14 also featured its own third party force of cosmic nihilism which stands for the elimination of suffering by the elimination of life itself, for life is nothing if not the potential for endless suffering. Elden Ring did something similar with its Frenzied Flame, though its idea is more similar because it aims to destroy everything to return existence to an equal, singular point.

The witness follows the same logic as every theological villain - something like 'life is more bad than good, more suffering then pleasure, more conflict than cooperation, so because it's net bad, it's merciful to just be done with it altogether.' There are many retorts to this theology across religions and mythologies, but my personal favorite is the best line in the worst avengers movie "a thing is not beautiful because it lasts"

I will give the writers real props if they pull the reveal that when the Witness entered the Traveler, it just found that the universe as it is, _is_ the final shape. Because it won last time, then realized how bad an idea that was, so arranged things to be as they are in game to prevent it's 'victory' and establish a perfect paradox. If it wins, it loses, if it loses, it wins.

I've never understood how anyone could actually desire the Final Shape if they actually deeply thought about it for more than 2 seconds.

Dude Ive thought about exactly this countless times it’s crazy. I can’t think of anyone or anything I’ve seen directly posing the idea of deleting life as a whole from the universe but it randomly floats into my thoughts constantly. I think it’s so cool that a franchise i grew up with and is so special to me is pretty much basing its final act on a topic that’s just so interesting to me

Way to go with that grenade at 3:17 lol 😅

I feel the Witness will end up being like the Dwarf in the Flask from Fullmetal Alchemist. The Dwarf was also seeking perfection, but those who've read the manga and seen the Brotherhood anime know what happen to them. Another thing, if the Witness is going to destroy all life to acomplish their Final Shape, they will end up destroying themselves in the process.

Does anyone else think that their “Matter” game is actually gonna be Destiny after the light and dark saga? If we lose to the witness and he does create a new universe

hoping that prior to the final shape/end of the light/dark saga we get the "other side" of the conversation of why the traveler does what it does. why did it reject a link with the veil? what was its purpose in uplifting civilizations? what goal did it have in mind? what is its thesis/counter thesis to the unchanging final shape the witness desires?

Lightt changes every day...Dark....the absence of light...is always the same. Thanks for the hard work.

The Final Shape is just the end of this Destiny addiction. I’m all for The Witness to win

The final shape is likely reverting the universe back to the moment before the gardener and the winnower made their bet and freezing that moment for eternity

You always have such thoughtful, well written expositions of the lore you silly queef. I wonder if the 3 darkness classes can function as a codex to understanding the full nature of the final shape?

8:53 Oh Hai, Duranadal, I almost didn't recognize you there.

i think when the guardians finally get their third darkness subclass, we will become the final shape, because from it seems the final shape is just the perfect merging of light and darkness, so naturally aquiring all dark and light powers could possibly do that to us

The idea of an eternal perfect reality w/o chaos & suffering is definitely tantalizing, especially to those who've experienced said suffering, also to those who haven't

The entire time Byf was talking, one thought kept going round and round in my head: Clovis would definitely agree.

"If you believe your weapon wants to end all existence, then so it will." -Bad Juju description

I feel like the unknown desciple was our guardian, but before we died in the collapse

That's it? The final shape is just an hexagon?

8:58 opened a new one in the traveler, great timing

Amazing vids man

Honestly we should wait for the witness to die because surely he doesn't have much time with that vape cloud

Either the Witness will win and create D3, or the Guardian will win and create D3. You don't introduce a reality-warping engine into the narrative and not use it for future marketing.

In Witch queen during the parasite mission, didn’t Mara say the Witness gave her a glimpse of the Final Shape? I also remember her saying that it was indeed enticing, or that she felt a sort of happiness.

What if the Traveller IS the witness? Here me out here: 1. I believe it’s been mentioned that the portal into the Traveller may have some time-traveling capabilities, I think Byf mentioned it might be how Cayde got brought back? Also Else Brey was able to time-travel or something of the sort, so it’s not completely unheard of. 2. The Traveller uplifts civilizations, bringing them closer to “perfection” and removing a lot of their suffering by extending their lifespans and such 3. If the witness were to remake the universe, he would probably have to do it like the Traveller is: by acting as a god-like entity and going through it one civilization at a time 4. Perhaps instead of completely destroying the universe and rebuilding it, the Witness would have to settle for going back to the start of the universe to to physics or something Juuuuuust a thought.

14:52 What's interesting is that if the Witness succeeds, and thinking about what Stasis represents--control, yes, but also will--then it could essentially will the universe into perfection, into the final shape. It must be nice to have such supreme confidence in one's vision!

I had a moment reading that lore entry regarding the unknown Disciple and how it addresses the Witness as “O Witness”. It very much reminds me of how the Worm Gods in the Books of Sorrow referred to Aurash and her siblings as “O Princes” when tempting them into making the pact. I think this might be one of the remaining Worms, but which one? It would be kinda crazy if it’s Xol given that he got turned into a Taken gun!

And Calus’ vision of the Final Shape is simply to be the last of everything, to be free from suffering in the universe itself so that he may have the last piece of mind to be happy. With the final shape we actually got a glimpse of the Final Shape since Season of the Dawn where Osiris found the destruction of the universe when he entered the Infinite Forest. This would explain his drive to stopping the Witness in LF.

I only started seriously in the witch queen but have had the game for a lot longer and this game is crazy and now I’m addicted

The witness leading each disciple to believe their understanding of the final shape is correct to gain their unquestioning loyalty gives me the sense that there’s gonna be an ahamkara/genie “wish granted but not in the way you thought” moment coming soon for these disciples

I find really interesting that the idea of the Final Shape is the same as Frenzied Flame in Elden Ring. As I can understand, the Final Shape is a stadium in which all the universe is free from the chaos of life, the Light, and is instead Nothing with capital N; when nothing can suffer from experiencing the chaos of life, the everything that is nothingness is perfect. The Frenzied Flame asks the same question: if life needs being to suffer to keep existing, then wouldn’t the ultimate goal of “ending suffering” mean erasing life from existence? To return to the Primordial Chaos that was forced into existing? For me, that same Primordial Chaos, the state in which nothing is all and nothing exists, is the Final Shape. If nothing exists, then nothing will suffer. And even worse is, as you said, it isn’t hard to agree to something like that.

Great video, great interpretations

There's only two ways the Final Shape can take form: 1) Power with purpose/meaning 2) Nothing exists at all. The Witness wanted purpose and when the Gardener didn't give it, they saw purpose in preventing chaos and controlling power. But once chaos is prevented and power is controlled, then what? Anything moving forward would have to be a new creation. Creativity is chaotic in its nature. The finished form has purpose but the rough draft is always chaotic. If chaos in all it's forms is prevented then nothing new comes about and eventually, either everything dies off or becomes static. Either way, purpose is lost once again. The re-pursuit of purpose would result in the Witness destroying everything as purposeless since the feeling of purposelessness was the pain it first sought to cure.

I think the next subclass will be “Harmony”. Strand is the threads that run THROUGH everything. “Harmony” is the waves of energy that FORM everything.

As tantalizing as wiping the slate clean sounds...the universe is full of mysteries and wonder. So much to experience in so little time. And life is the only thing that can experience these wonders. Without life, the universe just exists. Nothing to experience it. A quiet universe till the end.

Listening to Byf's philosophical musing about the Final Shape and the concept of perfection, I think there is something that Byf is overlooking: when discussing the Witness' intentions and how creating a so-called "perfect" universe requires the destruction of the old one, it almost sounds like Byf is making the assumption that a new universe, whatever that may be, would in fact be created out of the old one. But what if that isn't the case? Given the general impossibility that is true perfection (we only understand perfection in a theoretical sense, but have no real world examples), it stands to reason that no matter what the Witness creates, it will perpetually be disappointed with its creations and its imperfections since the Witness itself was once a collective of imperfect individuals struggling to answer the fundamental questions of existence (What is the purpose of life? What is its meaning?) and being frustrated by the silence of the Traveler. Sure, the Taken may represent the closest thing to what the Final Shape may look like, but they largely have been a means to an end by corrupting a once living thing into a mindless servant, and the Disciples themselves are just means to an end. Otherwise, why not simply take the Disciples if that is the Final Shape, or some version of it? Why let them retain their willpower and let them believe alternative versions of what the Final Shape is if they are simply tools to be used and cast aside when they are no longer useful? Who is the Final Shape even for? The Witness certainly doesn't carry itself with any sense of benevolence towards future generations who will benefit from the Final Shape like, say, Thanos, but instead carries itself with just a cold condemnation against life in of itself as a source of meaningless pain and suffering. To that end, I don't think the Witness is interested in creating anything at all. I think the Witness views creation itself as a curse. And so, to the Witness, true perfection is oblivion. It is pure nothingness. It is an existence devoid of anything, because nothing that can be created would be truly perfect. And so, if nothing can be perfect, nothingness is perfection. That is how the Witness truly defeats the chaos of the Light: by completely snuffing it out until nothing remains. Perhaps not even itself. The purpose of life, the purpose of existence, according to the Witness, is to end. This notion of oblivion and nothingness also ties into Stasis when viewed through the lens of Absolute Zero, when an object in space reaches such a critically low temperature that all molecular motion ceases in a state of zero entropy, and in which pure substances can ideally form perfect crystalline structures. Stasis also ties into the theory of the universe's eventual heat death when all energy dissipates and the universe returns to a state of nothingness. It's no accident that the Witness' power of choice to bestow upon others, like us Guardians or Eramis and House Salvation, is Stasis since such heat death and oblivion is what the Witness wants, whereas other Darkness related power, such as Strand or Deepsight, we had to learn of from other sources.

It makes sense to me that even the witness isn’t certain of how it all shapes out. Because no being could possibly comprehend such an understanding to restart all of existence. I’m sure we’ll here at the end what the witness himself thinks of his goal and thinks of what is to be on the other side.

I always thought the witness saw free will as suffering, thus taking that away, whether through subjugation or annihilation as it’s idea of a merciful act

I can't wait to see the mechanics and scenery in the final raid against the witness

Thanks for the video glhf

Honestly the last subclass should be a mixture between light and dark it’s only fitting for us to achieve this power in perfect harmony at the end

I'm reminded of a line from Tron: Legacy between Kevin Flynn and Clu when speaking of perfection... "The thing about perfection is that it's unknowable. It's impossible, but it's also right in front of us all the time. You wouldn't know that because I didn't when I created you." It's interesting to imagine that once The Witness finally gets to its end goal that it realizes that the perfection it seeks will never be found, thus destroying everything and starting the universe anew. However, it will find that even in creating a new shape it will never find perfection because all life is not perfect and the shape it seeks will never be attainable.

You hit the nail on the head. Those who have seen cruelty and suffering are more likely to support The Witness, hell I know I do. The ultimate end to all suffering. ▼ lets go ▲

Great video

A little unrelated to the topic of the video but at 2:36 is the object that the figures are holding the key in Root of Nightmares pointing to the portal on the traveler?

There is a really cool link between modern physics and what is being discussed here. Order and disorder, entropy, the use of disorder to create structure that then falls apart due to entropy. I am not an expert here by any measure but it seems to fit.

At 3:19 he threw a grenade at the ceiling lol

I understand now what the witness constantly said “In the light there is only death” because it has seen what the light can truly do

I don't usually disagree with Byf, but I think this video makes inferences that we just don't have enough information to make, contradicts known lore, and even contradicts itself at times. He stipulates that the final shape may reflect what each disciple wants it to be; Rhulk gets what he wants, the Hive get what they want, etc. This is not consistent with VOD lore. Rulk says that despite he and the Witness' attempt to correct them, the Hive fundamentally misunderstand what the final shape is, and that their notion of the sword logic is incomplete and not indicative of the actual goal. The lore entry read in this video about the disciple who wonders why they each have a different conception of the final shape doesn't conclude that each of them are right in some way; it concludes that each of them has been given enough to trust that the Witness knows what they're doing, and that not knowing is actually ok. Yes, the metaphor of platonic shadows on the wall applies in that there is something derivative of the final shape that each disciple thinks they understand, but the whole point of the cave is that the shadows don't even come close to representing the real thing. Byf suggests at the beginning that what the final shape is has somehow been influenced and changed by what the Witness has had to do to pursue it. There just isn't evidence for that. Evidence for the contrary is also in VOD lore: Rhulk says that he as been taught to subjugate and dominate not for pleasure, but merely as means to an end, which is the final shape. There's a conflation of ends and means that isn't logically justified, and it's kind of mystifying, tbh. This observation also links to the previous point in that the Witness has conducted itself in whatever way it needs to in order to accomplish the final shape; it has no problem deceiving its disciples if it thinks that will be productive and so, for example, it seems the Witness eventually stopped even trying to correct the Hive's misunderstanding because it didn't matter that they didn't get it as long as they served the Witness' goals. I also don't understand why Byf if confident that the final shape would eradicate all life. Sure, that's a possibility since no life means no suffering - which is, in the abstract, all we can say we know the Witness wants - but it's not the only way the absence of suffering could be achieved. Life modified and constrained could, in theory, exist without suffering. Current beings may need to die or their existence transmuted, but can we just be honest that we still don't know what the final shape entails? And let's say that the eradication of current life is necessary for the final shape; I don't even think that's such a bad thing. Guardians have been inculcated with the awareness that everyone dies a final death, and the cloudstriders are interesting foils for guardians in that they willingly shorten and sacrifice their lives for the greater good, contrary to guardians who persist beyond individual deaths. I'll stop here since this is already a wall of text. Idk, I just don't see a lot of value in this video, which I virtually never say about Byf's contributions. And this is intended to be constructively critical. I'm not trying to disparage Byf; I love the guy.

The final shape reminds me of infinity war a bit with how Thanos wanted to wipe half of the population to make everything balanced. I also have a feeling that we will get some type of time travel involved as well.

kind of gives layers to the whole "Calus' shadow legion" thing I guess too

“the Upender destroying all differentiation” Sounds like the Human Instrumentality Project

The last darkness subclass; this video inadvertently hinted at it: The 3 light sub-classes are 3 primal energies of the universe - 1 thermal energy (solar), 2 electromagnetism (arc), 3 gravity (void); so the traveller being 'primal chaos' makes sense. The 3 darkness sub-classes then - 1 the witness' tendency to subdue and control (stasis), 2 the witness' plan to unravel and unwind the current universe (strand), 3 is this to do with the making of the new universe? A sub-class based on order, consolidation and solidification? Would love to see a video on this idea.

“Wait, it’s just Eververse?!” “Always has been.”

Sort of reminds me of the Frenzied Flame ending in Elden ring. Melt it all down into the one even at the cost of the entire world. Obviously more refined than that one, but the concept of a singular perfection of the cosmic soup is somewhat similar

"Never perfect. Perfection goal that changes. Never stops moving. Can chase, cannot catch." -Abathur, Evolution Master of the Zerg, Starcraft

TBH just studying the Taken and how the power of Taking works is a perfect glimpse at how total a tyranny is intended by the Witness

I'm just waiting for our Shinji Ikari moment where we become deconstructed and almost completely disassociate with our ego.

What i find interesting is that hecause the witness is an entire race of people, the "final shape" is an embodiment of the perfection agreed on by millions if not billions of people, all coalesced into a single idea

Another day, another lore video

In a way the phrase "Something perfect is dead since Something perfect cannot grow but as long as there are flaws, there are boundless variations'' this is something I stole from a novel but it fits