Destiny 2 Lore - Xivu Arath's Banishment & how it changes everything for the Hive! 

I feel no one seems to talk much about how Eris Morn's actions once again pull us further away from the Dark Timeline. In the Dark Timeline, according to Elsie Bray, Eris Morn became the new Witch Queen. With her current actions, she REJECTED all the powers she could have had.

With her throne abdicated by force, Xivu Arath looks to Kelgorath once again to take her mantle and fight as her mighty champion.

Damn I loved that scene Witch Queen: "All according to my plan" Eris: "This was never your plan"

Since they're are still lore pages and a few more recordings left, that gives me hope that we'll either hear or read Xivu's reaction to her banishment.

While the most likely outcome is that either Tolan will move in, or more likely another powerful Hive in the future, I'm thinking it's also possible that the Throne World might just fall apart if left unoccupied long enough. Like threads in clothing slowly breaking and becoming undone, or parts of the earth slowly being eroded by water flows. If it's not filled up or found and destroyed it's possible that it'll simply wash away.

I’m fully expecting Toland to take over a throne world sometime soon. He’s been a background player for so long I can imagine him getting a shine in the episode called Heresy

Eris spoke of cutting off a “field of open graves” that may mean many ascendant hive of Xivus brood also lost their thrones. Remember “failures chisel shapes as much as victories hammer” to quote Xivu herself I’d just like to say how much I love the voice of Xivu

With Xivu Arath now banished from her own Throne World, no doubt losing a lot of her power, and the Witness currently in the Traveler, I could see Eramis try to take advantage of the situation and try to get what’s left of her house away from the Witness and Xivu Arath’s remaining forces. However, she’ll need help, and while she doesn’t trust the Guardians or Mithrax, she is desperate and might turn to Eido for help. This could potentially be a plot next season

The banishment might make Xivu desperate. She might lash out, hoping to take as many down with her as she can. I think this situation made her even more dangerous.

This. THIS is the biggest "Fuck you" we have done to Hive so far, and I LOVE it.

I literally screamed laughing when Eris explained what she did. Xivu is vulnerable now. We're gonna suplex her into the sun.

Something I haven’t seen much talk about is whether or not other Hive could try to ascend to godhood. What’s stopping Paul the Thrall from performing a ritual and becoming the hive God of Hallways. Bungie has an opening to create future powerful hive villains that can rise to power in their own domains

Some possible outcomes of these events are that A) Xivu will beg Savathun to help rid her of her worm before it devours her. B) She will attempt to take Oryx's Dreadnaught and claim it as her new Throne World (the fact that the dreadnought is basically a throneworld twisted inside out to manifest in the material plane could help with this). C) She will go all out and try to take as many of us with her as possible.

I think my problem with this season is it felt like it should have been a whole expansion with xivu being the raid boss

Hypothetically, if Xivu had forces lying in wait in the throne world, would they now be trapped inside due to Eris's influence?

I feel like Mara is going to find the Black terrace and make it her own. She's already proven her ability to navigate the ascendant planes and spaces. Loved the vid. Good job bud.

It’s important to note that Toland’s quote wasn’t referring to a Throne World vacancy. He was referring to a vacancy in the Hive power structure. When Oryx was killed in the Taken King campaign he was banished to his own Throne, trapped within until he could return to physical form. This is why Eris sent us to kill Alak-Hul, as he was a prime candidate to take up the reigns while Oryx was indisposed. Honestly this entire situation had better be explored in greater detail in the coming weeks, because it’s bad enough that the banishment was lacklustre. We have no idea whether Xivu’s connection to the Throne has been severed entirely, or if she simply cannot return to it. Even that fundamental distinction has wildly different knock on effects.

We havent seen Xivu in full render in-game right? Did I miss that? I know we've seen her in the drawn cutscenes, but not in game? Do we think thats next season?

I think Xivu's banishment may have her do something risk, maybe try to take over what was once Oryx's throne world as her own, after all Oryx's throne world was the dreadnought so she may try to take that and in one hell of a thing try to ram the earth and maybe the traveler with the dreadnought to take her enemy's with her and to hopefully be finally free to join her kin.

This story this season was money.

If one of the bosses doesn't proclaim: 'Boy!', in the dungeon or raid for the Black Terrace, we need to riot.

I dont know if such a thing would even be possible, but wouldn't it be wild and extremely ironic if Caiatl were to take the throne of Xivu's throne world? If Caiatl became the new "god of war". That would be bonkers.

This sounds like Xivu will submit to Savathun and use the light. Savathun will then work towards getting Oryx revived by light. Likely already finding out that the hidden has his body.

It’s a shame that the third season has always been my burnout phase, bc both Season of the Plunder and this season have been some of my favorite with content

If Xivu were to find her way back into her throne world, would she be able to reclaim it by default? Oryx had absolute control over his and was able to conjure his wipe mechanic despite our fireteam proving that we were the strongest in the throne world and not him

There's always another option for Xivu's forces ad be it a unlikely one....and that is to realize the sword logic has failed again and now been made mockery of and join Savathun in search of a different path forward seeing how Savathun as of right now is the only Queenpin of undying power left on the board and one with a path that leads to all hive not just the top gaining strength.

My question is how permanent the banishment is. Obviously Xivu is not as cunning as Savathun or even Eris. So I don’t expect to her to out think this banishment. But If there is some way to regain access to her throne world, Xivu will kill everything and everyone in between her and it. I could be missing something, my knowledge on the awoken and Mara and her throne world is very limited, so it could have proven that once the connection is broken it is permanent, but if we don’t have certainty here, its more than a little possible someone will try.

All of this sounds so interesting. Its really making me hope they go for big with Heresy as I keep thinking the things that make the most sense with that title it is either an attempt to retake a Hive infested Torobatl or Xivu's Throneworld being overtaken and corrupted by someone (Fikrul, Kelgorath, etc.).

I hope that post final shape well have a season where we help Caitil retake torobatl and maybe a separate season where we explore and the claim Xivu arath’s throne world

Could you do a breakdown of the relationship between Hive magic and the Darkness itself? I’m still a little confused as the relationship between the two. From what understand Hive magic is a framework that uses darkness and the darkness is just a paracausal force.

It would be really cool if ultimately the Black Terrace becomes the new Cabal Homeworld, shaped by Caital.

I think that while savathoun has her issues she ultimately wants to be our ally. She did try to take the traveler but not because she wanted to harm us but because she wanted to stop the witness and before that she helped us set the foundation for alliance with the cabal, fallen house of light, and the awoken

If the Witness had Rhulk as Savathun's babysitter, it would stand to reason he has another Disciple that chills out at the Black Terrace. One that wasn't beaten down and imprisoned in his own Pyramid or hastily resurrected. With her banished, he may take the quaint little fiefdom of hers and put it to more creative use.

I'd like to see how Kelgorath reacts to this power shift. Despite being taken maybe there's still a bit of his soul in there somewhere.

Bruh the gaurdians have been the greatest foe for the hive. We havent been around for nearly as long as them, andvwe have completely shattered their understanding of the world.

I suspect that this will be the thing that finally shatters Xivu's belief in the Sword Logic, and that she will now be willing to do things that she previously would have considered heresy. Noticably, there's a large, very powerful hive asset in the Sol system that has been left unclaimed. The dreadnought. Xivu never took it before because she had not earned it. It wasn't hers to take. With an episode called Heresy planned for post Final Shape, I suspect Xivu will be the threat for that season. As for Xivu's throne. What's happening to it depends a lot on what exactly "being banished" entails. It could be that its still perfectly intact but impossible to enter. It could be that Xivu can't enter it, but her forces or other forces can and it's now a battleground for warring former subordinates who are taking their shot at the top position. It could be that being banished has the same effect that being dead does, and her throne is collapsing like the Mindbenders did. In that case, we have no idea how long it will take to collapse. Savathun's hasn't collapsed but she's also using the Wellspring to keep it intact. Mara's has begun to collapse and after only a short time it was almost indistinguishable from the environment that makes up the rest of the ascendant plane. Hive lore has also been a bit... inconsistent recently, mostly around Savathun having access to power she shouldn't. Everything we know from Forsaken era hive lore says that her Throne should probably be collapsing into the rest of the ascendant plane, but everything we know from Forsaken era hive lore also says that Savathun can't gain power from cunning, Savathun is no longer a hive god at all since she's gotten rid of her worm, and that Xivu should probably starve to death within a few weeks or months of such a large defeat, just like how Oryx was basically on his deathbed back in D1.

Im curious if Xivu will make a new throne world. She's still very powerful and a devout follower of the sword logic. She was banished from her throne world specifically, and not the ascendant space. Itd be interesting to see if Eris gets a throne world too for following the sword logic and becoming the strongest hive god for a moment. Also wondering if it would be possible for Xivu to try and reclaim her throne world, thatd make for an interesting dungeon/raid.

Thank goodness we have you for the story and lore. I CBA with reading lore pages. I’d rather watch a dope cutscene to illustrate the story, but I’ll gladly listen to you explaining everything

What if we the guardians and vanguard take the throne world and use it as a way to access the traveler. Xivu and witness already had direct contact. Obviously most likely not but man that would be cool

Black Terrace: "for rent" Kelgorath: *rubs hands* "My time is now"

Kratos being there setting up shop is hilarious.

Sounds like a vacant throne world is an opportunity for player housing. 😊

Let's face it... Kellgorath is gonna take over Xivu's throne world

First a Rant: Xivu just pulled a Navota. Second: I like how Xivu went from Hating Savathun, to liking her for making Eris a hive god (Tempority) and probably hating her more after the finale. Third: Hey Byf, I had this question that's been in my head for a long time, IS it possible that we guardians can have our own Throne world, given all that we done and after what happened after this season's finale? or Can Erin have her own TW with all the Tithes she collected?

If it wasn't because of byf I wouldn't know this lore existed

i dont know why but you have the perfekt story teller voice its sooo good

Really crazy stuff happened this season and I am excited to see where it goes. I am really hoping it comes out that Toland takes Xivu's throne world for himself and finally gets control of the hive.

The chances of Torobatl being recoverable seem miniscule to me: the idea that Xivu Arath didn't turn it into a War Moon seems unlikely. So the Cabal are truly homeless right now. If the allied forces of the guardians, Cabal and Eliksni were able to seize control of it, surely it would be a fitting place for the Empire of War that is the Cabal to call a more permanent home? That being said, the only reason that seems even vaguely reasonable is because of Caiatl: she is the General-Empress who has shown that she can be diplomatic and level-headed with the right counsel. Caiatl would be one to allow those like Eris Morn and Mara Sov to attempt to cleanse the throne world before they moved in, otherwise they would all just become Xivu Arath's adopted brood, really.

I like how you slipped the Dynasty art into this video. Really loved it.

Byf has a very good sense of humor when he mentioned the other god of war 🤣

I love the fact that xivu has to be tactical now after losing her throne world

I want fanart of Kratos just sitting on Xivu's throne now XD

It might be far fetched, but I could see the Cabal trying to invade the throne world.

I kind of think Eris messed up just a bit. Sure, she banished Xivu from her throne world, but that might not necessarily mean Xivu can no longer traverse the Ascendant Plane, nor does it mean that she could not create another throne world. The new one might not have the same level of logistical support as her old one, but it would put her back on the immortality board once more. And all she would probably need is one Guardian having a bad day to do it, if the Mindbender is any indicator...

Now the question. If she can't access her throne world. How much of an army does she have left since she had her whole army waiting to come out from her throne world

Mara is looking at Xivus throne world like “it's free real estate”

Your comment near the end of the video on Kratos being a contender to Zivu Arach’s position and throne world made me chuckle.😅

I have two things. Firstly, couldn’t Xivu just create another ascendant plane in a bargain to feed her worm? It’s stated in lore that the worm gods had a huge part in the throne worlds being built, so couldn’t Xivu have this happen? Secondly, I wonder if The Witness will have any part in aiding Xivu, possibly getting a throne world a eeing as she is his strongest general for him. Whatever it may be, I want there to be consequences, and Xivu come at us being stronger than ever. I personally hate how Bungie essentially is writing Xivu out without ever showing her in game without any sort of dialogue or character arc of some grand degree.

I'd be intrigued to know what happened to any forces she had in her throne world at the time of banishment. Are they stuck? Are they warring to assume control? Could she make another?

God of War: Final Shape. What a legendary idea you just created. Kratos going through and taking down the Nine or whatever sick adventure those writers could fathom. love it

Without a throne world the Hive will smell weakness and will descend into full blown civil war. Xivu may very well come out of this bloodbath stronger than ever.

Loving that briar bind gameplay, at full power they shred nezquick

I think Toland's overdue for some new digs, and I'd love to see him take advantage of a vacancy in the ascendant real estate sphere

Is it possible that the heresy episode will focus on toland and he will take xivus throne world? I'm thinking echos will focus on praedyth, revenant and heresy about toland. There's just so many loose ends and tolands been a mystery since D1

The thing that makes me most excited about her being lock out of her throne world is…. When she has her dlc it’ll be WAR MOONS

Something that immediately jumped out to me was when Ikora spoke to us over the radio in the HELM and she said something like “we can deal with Xivu later, for now we need to stop the Witness” which makes me think next season will just be about preparing to enter the portal, we’ll do Final Shape, and then it will be one of the episodes that follows (Heresy?) where we get back to dealing with Xivu. Which would kinda stink to delay such a big event for so long, but also it would be good to not defeat such a major character in the next season or just as a side-deal in Final Shape.

honestly if there's one thing this video has taught me. it's that the now vacant throne world, would make some epic player housing; literally transforming it to our will like a proper throne world *even more feasible since we've been becoming increasingly more masterful of hive magics

I can't believe Byf made a God of War quip. Then again, that probably should've been expected, given the topic of this video...

13:32 Lol not the first time the Ghost of Sparta has taken office. 🤣

"I imagine Kratos is there." I'd like to meet him if we ever get there.

this leaves me with a few questions. First: Is it possible for her to undo this? Second: Can Xivu Arath make a new throne world if she cannot undo it. Third: Can she still call her army in waitng there?

I’m gonna be honest I was distracted by the reload speed of those weapons and remembering the horrors of reload speeds in D1 before mods that you could slap on whenever you wanted instead of a full armor piece

I had an epiphany, and I'm not sure if Xivu has considered it. For her to become the final shape based on hive sword logic, she would be require to wage war on everything in the universe in an attempt to keep her worm fed, while proving she is the strongest until she's the only one left and then ultimately her worm would consume her anyways as she has no one left to commit war upon to gain tribute. Savathun on the other hand circumvented the rules with imbaru and doesnt need to commit needless acts of violence, and as humans as naturally curious as a species it even benefit her not to. She could have realistically achieved a hive sword logic final shape be being the most powerful hive all while keeping her worm sated if she still had it.

Now that Xivu is banished from her throne world, is she still able to access the ascendant realm, and is it possible for her to create a new throne world?

My bet for who gets the terrace is in this order: (most likely to least) - Kelgorath (probably taken by force. Prove himself by slaying some powerful ascendant hive) - Toland - Eris - Currently unknown or different ascendant hive - Mara The first 2 I think would be the most likely. Middle 2 are somewhat unlikely, and Mara is possible but I wouldn’t bet on it. Kelgorath and Toland just make such good story lines for Heresy

Oh, imagine if Xivu Arath has a child that is designed and named as a Shout Out to "God of War", and they are the central antagonist of the Heresy Episode.

An empty, potentially customisable space that can allow travel to new far off locations and can bring key NPCs to be claimed by the strongest. Sounds like player housing that can enable new stories in episodes after the Guardian kills the witness.

>Final Shape comes out >Raid is released >There's a secret mechanic to the raid that swaps the final boss of the raid from whatever it was to Kratos.

The witness will offer her the power of a disciple. Considering it an offer while she's literally most vulnerable. She will take the darkness for the sword to strike us and her sister down.

a amazing mission i just thought of, we help the cabal take control of Torobatl. We help the cabal defeat Hive there, idk just a thought but it seems like a cool idea.

All hail Kelgorath, Hive God of Persistence. The Little Hive that Could.

It sucks that we will never see the black terrace now. It sounds very grand in all the lore cards

I do wonder just how much damage to Xivu's court we really did. Not only has she been evicted from her throne world, but the one hive most likely to be in a position to take over it, the leviathan eater, is dead at our hands too. Also, I really enjoyed the fight against him. And as drifter always suggests, I brought a sword, specifically the lament. Turns out I had the stronger sword. One thing I think would be interesting is to have us navigate our way into Xivu's throne world via the ley lines. I imagine there'd be a lot to learn about the witness aligned hive in there.

We need to talk about that insane Rift build.

My first thought about whom a potential usurper of Xivu's throne world would be, is Savathun. Without her sister to oppose her, she'd have free roam of the Black Terrace. Able to seize all of the secret and the weapons Xivu had hoarded in the Hive's conquest of the universe. To me, that is probably the worst outcome. Because who could challenge her if she did.

What if the throne world is the path to the witness, and Savathun's 'Heirloom' is the means of access?

I hope one of the future "episodes" takes us to Torobattle.

If the Hive do eventually find a replacement for any of the accendent Thrones, I do hope they make these new despots or pragmatic Warlords interesting.

I wouldn't be surprised if Savathun goes to Xivu Arath and offers the Light to her.

The ending cutscene could've been better but this season was great

How awesome would it be that if next season we went to Torobatl and got it back for the Cabal.

you should make a destiny lore iceberg explained there is already ones on destiny as a whole from other channels but a lore one would be cool

Caiatl does still want to crush Xivu Arath's head in her own hands. That one thing just went from "statement of bluster" to "attainable life goal".

I figured the episode, Heresy, would involve us taking down Xivu Arath for good

Toland's going to take it over. We haven't heard from him in a while

Personally I would love to see the size of our guardian's throne world as while we don't always use the sword logic to amass power, the times we do clearly cement our strength over the hive pantheon, and the only reason we don't have our own throne world (seemingly) is because we refuse to take the mantle of the hive gods we killed. And on a similar note I would love to have another game that is more of an open experience allowing for full class customization and allowing our guardians to choose whether we stand firmly in the light, are corrupted by darkness like Dredgen Yor, or are wary of Light and Darkness like the Drifter.

I didn't watch the video yet but could it be part of savathuns plan? I mean xivu kinda fulfilled the "devotion inspires bravery" thing. If she died I'm pretty sure there would be a ghost for her and let's remember that savathun did say "I love xivu" if she got resurrected in front of savathun it would be a game changer since sava can manipulate her as she wish (no memories and all, plus sava got a ton of evidence that they're a family so) I really want to see how the new xivu would behave. Because so far the only being that remained with its own personality and ideas after becoming lightbearer is savathun

I believe Xivu's Throne World is the key to access the portal in the Travler! I may need to come to your Twitter page to fully explain but it's my belief.

How much do you wanna bet that when Eris ejected Xivu from her throne world, she tied US to it to keep it stable and make sure that no matter what, we would survive our fight with the witness.

Hive after Xivu gets force evicted from her house “it’s free real estate”.