Destiny 2 - NEW NIGHTMARE POWER! New Subclass and Nezarec's Return 

Honestly, getting our 3rd Darkness Subclass, whether it be Resonance or Nightmare, would not only complete the trifecta, but also retroactively expand upon Prismatic, complimenting what Bungie has stated they'd do. Considering what Eris and Micah have agreed on regarding Nightmares being an untapped power of Darkness, it makes sense that it would be a subclass.

Nezarec is like that one spider you try to kill but it refuses to die

I didn't see anyone else talk about this. I thought it went over everyones head

Nezarec could be the Freddy Kruger of the Destiny universe. So much potential, Bungie.

Nezarec tryna beat Tanik's record for getting pwned by a guardian.

All I’ve wanted for the last few years now is The Witness’s golden “Resonance” powers 😢

It’s cool that Bungie is acknowledging the theories that Nezerac may not be truly dead - we could use more Nezerac lore.

11:40 bungie said it’s not the full conclusion of the light and dark itself, it’s just moving out of the main picture so that they can make room for more story with other themes like the nine, scorn, vex, etc.

Heres a bit of a stretch but bungie loves 7 right? We have 6 subclasses now. 3 light 2 dark and prismatic. It would make sense if they added a 3rd darkness subclass to make us have 7 subclasses 3 light 3 dark and prismatic, thats why i think there diving back into nightmares and nezzy

If Nezarec comes back, He should come back in a new body. My two cents.

We rarely ever have raid boss characters return. We will likely learn more about nezarec and nightmares. based off where the story is going we will likely explore the darkness more.

Lets hope the Story in Nezarecs Sin Helmet will come true and Nezzy will be our real "enemy" in the future.

Taniks: HE COPIED MY WHOLE FUCKING FLOW. WORD FOR WORD BAR FOR BAR

If you go into the veil containment room, from the room where you hear the lore. Look down through the window and you'll see three pillers (pylons?). One piller is marked blue another marked green and the last is marked red. I'm quite sure the red subclass exists.

If they added a third darkness subclass, it makes sense it would be nightmares. It fits the theme of Darkness being the powers of mind, and all the Darkness powers restrain enemies in some fashion. Stasis freezes enemies, Strand entangles them, and Nightmares would probably scare them to much to move or something (like Cynder’s fear element from the legend of Spyro: dawn of the dragon). A third Darkness subclass would also mean there would now be seven subclasses, and Bungie likes adding the number seven wherever they can.

In my opinion a Nightmare subclass would be the most likely new darkness subclass only behind a darkness subclass based on taken or Resonance powers. Or Bungie decides to find a theme to compound all three into one single subclass?

If Mithrax learns how to control nightmares and memories due to his corruption would be very interesting since he's so aligned with the Traveller and light

Imagine Guardians got to be Overload, Barrier and Unstoppable with some new twists added. It would be sick and the real “red darkness subclass” we’ve been wanting

i wish they gave us the power to take instead. we already work with our past foes a bunch, so imagine freeing the ones who were taken and having them fight for us in gratitude. Imagine being able to throw blight balls, or make those blight spheres. Using those centurion blight balls, Titans using that shield bash, hunters making psion clones, warlocks summoning shadow thrall. it would be the coolest subclass ever!

I never noticed how the "tunnel" you pass through to the Darkness ship is a silhouette of a Ghost Shell.

Good to see my boy making his come back! I believe I should update my theory vid now.

Waiting for someone to talk about this. Those ghost missions set up so much about the future. The Eremis, Psion clone, xivu in the ascendent plain/dreaming city. Especially the nightmare stuff. They really letting us know that they have so much more in store for us I think the new power will be control, or making copies of our enemies. Like the hunter can place sniper knightmares, and theyll you can change to what enemy race you want. Titans get the heavy stuff, like the shielded cabal. And warlocks get the normal stuff like acolyte or dregs, but can summon multiple.

As people probably mentioned, Bungie likes 7, so having a 3rd Darkness class would perfect the balance with prismatic acting as the center and 7th definitive subclass.

I had a feeling that bastard is not dead, and will be returning. He’s like that one insect that will just not die no matter how much poison you give it… 😂😂

Nezarec, Taniks, and Kelgorath, The Unkillable Trio gonna be the next raid bosses

I hope there is another darkness subclass soon for free

Well put together and easy to follow. Great video👍

I’m fine with the final darkness subclass being nightmares over resonance. If you think about it, resonance is the ultimate darkness power just like terraforming is the ultimate light power. We can’t use the white terraforming power , only the spectrum from it, so it’s only fitting that be reflected with the darkness and resonance as well

The more i think about it, the more i agree that "Nightmare" could be a future Subclass. The real Question though is what would the supers and abilities be for each of the Guardians? What would the Melee be? Grenades? Fragments? Supers? And what kind of new Exotic Armor or weapons could we get that harnesses this new power?

As always great video! I was thinking nightmare subclass going through the ghost missions myself! Would make sense and even everything out!!!

Finally someone does a video on that mission mentioning Nezerac

This is just me spit balling here but looking back to Lightfall theres that line of Osiris figuring out what the Light and Dark represent. The Light is the domain of the physical, where the Darkness is the domain of the mind. Each subclass however runs parallel to the aspects of nature, so theres also the question of what aspect remains. Solar vs Stasis, liberation vs domination, strong/weak nuclear forces. Arc vs Strand, natural action vs conscious thought, electromagnetic force. That leaves void then. So the final Darkness subclass should counter void, and seeing as void is based around the manipulation of space itself, then looking at the remaining natural force in the universe, which is gravity, then perhaps the final Darkness subclass will be based around time manipulation since gravity is the manipulation of spacetime. If that were the case then what is the conscious aspect of this power since its Darkness power? If I had to take a guess, isolation/loneliness. Stasis is about dominance, strand about unity, so the final could possibly be about isolation. Time isolates people at one point or another, and can often be ones worst nightmare, or alternatively your worst nightmares could be a specific moment in time one had to live through. Also there is already a lot of time based shenanigans already in the destiny universe. But who knows for sure, Im just spit ballin here

Color theory, Nezarec, Ghost missions, and the fact that we currently have 3 light, 2 darkness, and prismatic subclasses, totalling 6, and Bungie loves the number 7, all point to Nightmares being the 3rd darkness subclass. Color theory is iffy cause you can interpret the Pouka Pond pillows as red or pink. But in Calus' arena at the end of Lightfall, there's blue, green and red. So more likely than not.

1. The subclass video was in a twab. 2. I think it highly unlikely that a third darkness subclass *doesnt* exist, because the player guardian is meant to represent the penultimate balance between light and dark. How can we be that if we have an inherent imbalance between the two within us, regardless of prismatic? It's also been postulated that each dark element is the backside of the coin to a light element. Solar and Stasis are one. Osiris likened Strand to Void if you listen to his analysis of each element near the pouka pond post lf campaign. A third could potentially be correlated to Arc in some way.

Also I could see the plot line of nezarec using Osiris, since it was his essence that brought him out of his coma.

Nezarec basically follows the principle of shrödingers paradox were he is in a state of not being alive or dead but in a state of limbo. Meaning he can exist even if possibly forgotten.

it was a blast running the lost ghost missions it setup some interesting story beats cant wait

As a Warlock main whose had a Nezarec's Sin void build since Season of Arrivals and a player who was pretty disappointed with how Nezarec was utilized in Lightfall, I would ADORE Bungie utilizing him again post Final Shape! The concept of a "Final God of Pain" is so interesting and all the build-up he got in the seasons before Lightfall made it seem like he was going to be way more important to the story than he actually was. With how the narrative has turned around since then, I'm really excited for the potential return of Nezarec. Give this man an expansion worthy of his title!

Charged melee: cast a *cursed* skull which explodes near enemies and let them drown in *despair*. At 100 stacks of despair enemies kill themselves Puppet grenade: enemy gets *haunted* by a nightmare which tells it to shoot its own faction. More haunted stacks = longer duration. If a haunted enemy kills itself because duration expires then it spreads curse to nearby enemies. If it gets killed while haunted lasts the nightmare searches a new target. Sidenote: haunted enemies can get killed by guardians too (friendly fire) Cursed is the third verb and let enemies explode by X stacks. Curse is spreading on enemies nearby who get damage from the explosion and give them a small amount of despair stacks. This is something I could imagine for this darkness subclass

We should have got a third Darkness class before the final shape

a third Darkness power would make sense because we got 3 types of Light powers why not 3 types of Darkness powers

imma just keep it real with everyone. The day bungie adds a 3rd darkness subclass whether it be nightmare or something else is the day I win the powerball, they hear us but they don't really wanna listen to us. and I don't think they will add on about Nezarec, we've seen the 3 episode previews and I doubt destiny 2 codename frontiers is gonna have a nezerec army in it, trust me I want all this stuff but bungie will not give us this stuff. they don't really listen all to well

Nightmare being our 3rd darkness subclass would complete the trifecta of Light and Darkness that feed into Prismatic now All subclass also bear distinct idiologies Light - Creation of matter through physical power that dies out Solar - Burning and all engulfing Void - Anti-Matter and Suppressing Arc - Energy that spread out and through anything in its path Darkness - Altering of matter through the power of the mind that remains Stasis - Time altering Strand - Matter being grabbed and wieved through ones understanding of the universes flow and state Nightmare - Emotional manipulation through the understanding of someones burden We know that Nightmares remain and theoreticly if the user chooses Stasis and Strand creations can remain for as long as the user wants to so it would fit the whole Light always creates something new but it eventually dies and Darkness takes something already existant and alters it

nightmares can coalesce into physical weapons, for example the scythe we used in season of the haunted - i feel like it'd be fair to dabble into the power of nightmares since we use our light for the same purposes; sentinel sheilds, dawnblades, blade barrage, etc.

Thanks for the positivity!

I'm game for new darkness

Oh that is Cool

The nightmares are the memories so it’s like a part of the veil but also a connection to us. It’s personal. Like our own ghost we gotta let go, not the robot kind.

I don't recall getting that dialogue from Micah about Eris documenting the Nightmares or Nezarec weaving them into the fabric of the pyramid unless that's a veteran account thing.

Nightmare is essentially the "Memory" part of Darkness Darkness essentially is split into 3 core fundementals, Time, Form and Memory. We see this constantly, its also what the The Final Shape is, its localising all 3 at a single point. Memory used against us results in Nightmares, using our fears, since its Nezarecs form of it. For us however, it could be amount tapping into our own legends. I think part of the significance in bringing in Micah-10, is that they already deal with Ghosts who hold the memeory and experience of past Guardians. For us, using Nightmare/Memory would be about tapping into the history and past of Guardians, as its what our enemy fears most. So our entire subclass kit might centre around abilities based on feats of Guardians past, especially ones who no longer have their Light or who have passed on.

FINALLY! I thought I was the only one who thought the next darkness power would have to do with nightmares. I don’t know why my brother doesn’t think this will happen…

This is kinda out there but wouldn’t a necromancy class be kinda cool? Not sure how it would fit as a dark subclass. But I’m just imagining hunters having the ability to possess enemies and jump around through them (like in dishonored), and warlocks being able to raise a certain amount of dead enemies for a short time and titans… be able to… do something cool as well… lmao.

I think one thing point out is that, yeah we got prismatic, but if nightmare becomes our third darkness subclass, then its also likely not to be part of the prismatic. because of how unique it might be, its separated from the other two darkness subclasses, possibly even the most dangerous one to use. Like it may powerful abilities, but at the cost of health or something

Hoping for a taken subclass because we got some more lore about the winnower and the winnower talked to us directly, and since the winnower is what gave oryx his taken powers, I’m really hoping for that at some point

It could play as mind control, disorient and disorder play style, turning enemies against each other, fearing them or having another blinding/agro effect.

It would be cool to have a fear based sub class, I’m not sure how the supers would work though

It’s literally the Freddy theory he cannot die as he still haunts … his power comes from knowing he will never die …

The darkness class theme seems to be CC, stasis slows movement/freeze and strand suppresses enemy damage/suspends. I would imagine this next darkness subclass will suppress abilities/blind or disorient.

It would make sense to have a third darkness power, because so far each darkness power is the opposite of a light power. Solar - Stasis Void - Strand Arc - ???

Imagine one of the supers just make enemies depressed and non aggressive towards you.

After Micah said that it was "untapped power of the darkness" I knew for a fact that we are getting a third darkness subclass. It says "3rd Darkness subclass coming soon" all over it.

I knew he'd be back

Bungie for the next expansion should make the setting the lunar pyramid and all about the player gaurdian becoming the new master of it and thus gaining the power of nightmares

You can't kill a thought. You can destroy it's flesh, but you can't kill the concept of though. That's what Nezarec is.

Just noticed that Nezarec shows "prismatic" colors on his back in the snippets in the video. Maybe it hinted since the raid since he used Light and Darkness

Imagine if one of the supers made a nightmare version of yourself

I would love a nightmare subclass, would go perfectly with that death knight transmog we got from the season of the haunted

Instead of a new subclass, I've been thinking if Bungie will add a new class entirely. Everyone likes the new Titan super where three guardians get to pick up axes and run around. Bungie played with the different raid artifacts in the Relic PvP mode. What if a guardian used nightmare power to manifest different weapons on the field for other guardians to use? The Artifice class wouldn't have traditional grenade or melee abilities. Instead, they would generate nightmare manifestations to use on the field. The grenade ability could make shields, whips, or staffs and the melee ability could make javelins, axes, or scythes. It would be a support class that makes fun relics rather than a support class that just heals people. The Artifice would do increased damage with his own manifestations and you could cycle out what he generates based on the subclass equipped.

Honestly, Egregore Nightmare and Resonance as darkness subclasses would have made hella lot more sense than stasis and strand

I bet to reach the dreadnought in the future we might have to take control of nezarec's pyramid and by doing so we unlock the nighmare power that is hidden within.

I'm still curious about who owned the pyramid ship on Europa because they even mentioned it in one of Micah's missions.

I'm just hoping that if "Nightmare" is the next upcoming Subclass, that the Warlock gains minions that are just a part of the class package and not grenade-based. Running around with 2 Vandals sounds like fun (or other things). I'm just curious how they would make everything work.

So Nezarec is basically Sephiroth. Living on through memories.

The third Darkness specific subclass would also make it 7 total if you count prismatic, which supports Bungie’s obsession with the number 7!

Imagine we get it directly from nezzy himself. Like he already enjoys watching the havoc we wreck on a daily basis, why not increase the chaos tenfold himself?

I did those quest like half a week after the final shape came out lol

If we do get a new subclass, I hope we also get a new branch of subjugators also, and something to complement the attendants and weavers

This is completely disregarding everything, but I had a dream where I was playing with the red subclass and instead of it having abilities like other subclasses, it was built into the weapon itself. I remember using whisper of the worm and it had like 2 traits to it that I could choose. Just writing this down incase my dreams are somewhat right. This dream was about when Forsaken dropped and the place where I was playing was really similar to the pale heart.

I already felt like Nezarec might resurface at some point cause he could exist beyond dying firstly, and he just wanted to be a problem. He had no hang up on using light and dark power in unison. If that man just needs a vessel he could be a prismatic problem later

Idk if you'll see this Evaze but I believe Nightmares and Resonance are actually one and the same As they both: Share Gold, Black, and Red Coloration Both Deal with Pressure onto it's foes Nightmares feast on Trauma Resonance literally suppresses you (i.e Grim, Rhulk resonance blasts, etc) As well as both having ties to only the strongest wielders of Darkness

I've always like the idea of Decay as a darkness type as I think it goes well with the themes or stasis and strand. Nightmare is cool, but I don't really see it as a power per say, but if there is something behind it which fuels it then that in theory could by anything. Right now I think resonance is more likely.

That ghost mission from Micah really did set those breadcrumbs loose. A Nightmare subclass would be really cool if they did it well.

They have also talked about upcoming content in which we become the pilots of ships to deep space. Perhaps we take over a pyramid ship, gain the final darkness subclass and that is how we become these pilots theyve described

Would honestly be better that rather than a whole subclass, it's certain powers or fragments that work with Prismatic. And if we do get a whole new darkness subclass, I want it to be more alike what the Witness has long used, the power that not just creates the Taken but furthermore is shown with Resonance. Something that deals with sheer destruction

Nothing is destroyed. Just disintegrated. We emerged from the crossing of dimensions and that’s why it’s integrate and disintegrate. We look deeper into the connections between and use the relative as datapoints.

If there's a third darkness subclass I'm coming back to destiny.

Ngl I'd rather not go straight for another subclass, I think expanding on Prismatic and adding more of the light/dark elemental abilities/aspects in would make for more diverse builds atm. Sure, another new one down the line would be nice but I think 5 and Prism is a good number for now

Thoughts: The winnower used the witness as the first knife, now that people with fears are entering INSIDE the Gardner, now the Blade being Nezhead can do damage too the travelers heart killing it. It was the plan the whole time

Imagine Nezarec comes back as the next raid boss and makes the Witness raid look like a cakewalk because everyone has been clowning on him

Nightmare powers could still be linked to the vapor subclass mentioned. Not exactly what was leaked but I can see them quietly working on them and when we have to deal with nezarec fully, then we get it. Quite simple realy: Fear, pain, despair for the debuff side. Rage, content, euphoria for the buffs. But also we got the taken ability too, in which the witness, who contacted us recently gave it to oryx. Taken, dematerialized, darkness debuff. Finalized, reshaped, and control buff. Honestly I would love the power to take, but if they go down the nightmare route, it's just as good.

Had to check the date to see if it's April again

Not a thorn in the side but a hole in your head.. unrepairable unforgettable

To me it be nice to see a new sub class, plus there is a lot to discover they might do it at some point, maybe

I really hope we get a nightmare subclass! Imagine we could conjure our own nightmares to fight alongside us? That'd be cool tbh.

the other two """darkness""" subclasses have both been something they just pulled out of literally nowhere tho

Is it strife like nightmare subclass?

If my favorite character makes a return I'll be extremely happy, all the more if I can have his powers

This is cool and all but what would Nightmare power do exactly...? Make copies of yourself? "Summon" copies of enemies...? From what i remember, nightmares are essentially summons in a way. So the power has to do something like that in the end.

Imagine a debuff caused by a nightmare power called frenzy and enemies attack each other for a few moments

Something I like to maybe theorize is that nezerac has become a concept, a concept of pain. So death doesn’t mean much if he can come back. I know his remains are scattered and curse but never destroyed……