As a hunter from day one of Destiny 1, I can honestly say our exotics are either god tier or absolute trash. We have 3 or 4 exotics to choose from, that’s it. We can barely have any build variety unless we do some weird combinations that sort of work together. And since they keep nerfing us, I just use stompees for everything.
Facts. My friends ask me why I play hunter. I tell them I don't know nothing else I also never do any particular build other then around my load out I use the last word a lot it has and can be op in my opinion most accurate hand cannon even under rapid fire. It could use a bigger mag, and is shit on paper but I think it'd better most other exotic hand cannons. I switch between a bow, scout rifle, and auto rifle in my energy slot. I currently run a bad omens rocket launcher as my heavy it has a Max reload and damage stat.
As someone who has been entranced by Middle Tree Arcstrider with Raiju's Harness, I can tell you that be able to not only have a longer super but also cancel it can make a huge difference in PvP. I don't have the exact math calculations, but the cancellation effect returns on use work as well with Middle Tree in tandem with Whirlwind Guard to make it one of the, if not the strongest shutdown supers for PvP when utilized correctly. Also, something not many people take advantage of is that when casting Middle Tree Arcstrider the animation has a deflection effect that can be timed to deflect other supers before the super has even begun draining. Meaning that you can effectively use the super as a burst defense against other projectiles or supers more frequently or in the case of many roaming supers, if you have too much distance between addition targets and not even energy to close the gap, you can instead return a good portion instead of wasting it. Yeah it's not as effective as Goemag's, but Chaos Reach in general is designed to be used in quick burst and Rajiu's being the only Roaming Super early-end exotic with returns is something that shouldn't be turned a blind eye on, at least in PvP.
I don’t use it much myself, but it looks like Datto glossed over the reworked effect of Assassin’s Cowl, which allows light class melees to make you invisible and regen your health (in addition to finishers). Works well with top-tree Arc and middle-tree Solar as a decent neutral exotic.
Dragon's Shadow has a hidden +50 mobility during the perk's uptime, you don't need maxed mobility to see the best results. It's amazing for putting your stats somewhere else as you can just have 50 mobility and let dragon's shadow do the rest. the perk's uptime is 10 seconds so you'll get that dodge back by the time it runs out.
Correction on Dragon's Shadow: you don't need 100 mobility to take full advantage of it. You only need 50 because upon dodging, not only do all your weapons reload, you get ridiculous reload speed and handling, but it also gives you an extra 50 mobility.
Imma be honest… Bombardiers are probably my favorite to use in PvE. I just think they are super fun when used with blade barrage tree. Knife throw, dodge bomb, knife throw again and practically have your doge back instantly the repeat. You can basically just spam knife throw/dodge through a whole strike and take out some big enemies pretty easy with the initial damage and all that burn tic.
I definitely think you’re selling a lot of these exotics short just because they don’t shine in the most difficult content the game has to offer. Young Ahamkara Spine: Has insane ability spam potential on middle tree Gunslinger in PvE and in PvP it guarantees full 160 damage in detonation and better grenade regen for any ability damage. Athyrs’s Embrace: When the Strengthened Weighted Knife buff is fully stacked it does roughly the same damage as a bottom tree Golden Gun shot, pair that with a one two punch shotgun and you’re basically throwing nighthawk shots in the form of knives in PvE. Dragon Shadow: Doesn’t actually require 100 mobility to make full use of its perk, the exotic adds a +50 hidden mobility bonus while the perk is active. As long as you stay alive, wraithmetal mail can almost be active constantly. Not to mention the upcoming QuickDraw nerf, this exotic will probably become a lot more popular. Raijus Harness: Probably the best arc specific pvp exotic for hunters. It’s basically the same as geomags but you save a lot more super energy on deactivation and the damage buff after blocking lets you one shot any super in PvP. Frost-ee5: A solid PvP choice, increased movement speed and better ability regen. What’s not to like? I know Datto isn’t a Hunter main but I think a lot of these exotics are much better than what was given credit for in the video.
I LOVE Wormhusk Crown. I use it so often and it's so reliable for healing and freedom of movement when used with top void spec. Can get in super close to dangerous enemies and dip out with a heal, reload, invisibility dodge.
Unmentioned thing about the Athrys’s embrace: after getting a few headshots, all the little armor plates raise up into spikes and it totally changes the aesthetic of the arms. Unironically makes them cooler to me, love exotics that have stuff like that
I just thought that I would say this real quick, for altar of Sorrows hunter best thing to use is a falling guillotine, Riskrunner, and blasphemy. And the exotic armor should be liars handshake. And use top tree arcstrider. Throw your grenade at the ground, it gives you the riskrunner perk, use the melee for liars handshake on the nightmares and you will YEET through the altar of sorrows.
@@stupidthefish4981 Same, it's incredible in Trials. I feel like Datto overlooked Oathleeper a bit. While not really useful in pve, in pvp it can mean all the difference. Being able to precharge the bow before turning a corner or seeing an enemy can significantly increase your chance of winning. You can shoot their head and switch to a 120 hand cannon and they'll be dead before they can even react
I’m surprised this wasn’t touched on. If you have friends you trust to follow up you can call out people with your infinite wall hacks in PvP and tag them for 2/3rds health as soon as they round a corner. Then you just need your friend to clean up the kill and cover for your slow follow up shot. Or follow up yourself with something with crazy handling you can hot swap to.
I had literally never used Kephri's Sting in D2 until last week's Iron Banner and I absolutely love them, it works so well with middle tree nightstalker for basically infinite wallhacks
As a hybrid Warlock and Hunter main, I always felt Hunters are SUPPOSED to be the king of movement, but didn't happen bc as stated skating/icarus We have Stompees, but there's also Lion Ramparts and Transversive
@@vynlanastus6888 hunters horizontal movement feels like dick, stair launching is super risky and typically doesn’t help ceiling bouncing tends to be hyper map specific although this is coming from console i’m unsure how this scales knowing how FPS makes warlock top tree dawn go from a really good subclass to probably the best if not the second best
I really love the Knucklehead Radar when I'm sniping or using Messenger. Really helps when you're in a spot and don't want an enemy sneaking up on you or when a guy is in a corner, crouching can help pinpoint where they are.
@@naylor7495 not really seeing I've used them greatly to a large extent it removes radar from a 10 meter radius that goes through walls prevents healing after being damaged and can stop revives in trials pair this with invisibility and rat king you'll take away radar turn invisible then strike
@@naylor7495 even then my build allows me to easily trick the higher leveled player with a bow (or shotgun) void invisibility dodge and rat king especially players who use their radar greatly
with all due respect, HARD disagree on raijus harness. in pvp anyways. it’s my MAIN exotic in pvp. the ability to reflect stasis tornados and get half your super back by cancelling early while also getting multiple kills per super makes it AMAZING imo.
I hope you use a diff chest piece while building that super. If not I hope to see you in my games. I’ll shut you down and that super with ease. Raijus is probably C+ at best. Bring that in trials I’m mopping
I always run Liar's Handshake when using Arcstrider, as I don't have to rely on my super being up for ad clear and dps. I still use my 12Punch Perfect Paradox to murk everything with Liar's
@@LambentBunny ikr. People sleeping on it. I’ve been using it on Revenant for a little while now... super fast dodge cooldown, reloads both weapons, insane handling / quickdraw, basically gives both weapons snapshot, immensely increased reload speed, and like you said gives you a big mobility jump. It pretty much gives you everything that top PvP players ask for on their weapons, but all rolled into 1 exotic
8:24 Datto failed to mention that liars handshake is the single best exotic for clearing crowds in Gambit. Hands down. Dodge melee dodge melee dodge melee and just kill everything in sight. Liars handshake with a one two punch shotgun is literally insane. Datto definitely needs to give this thing more credit
Love the video as always. But I think, and maybe I'm just crazy, you might be selling Young Ahamkara's Spine short. Top tree gunslinger is so fun, and actually good too, with it.
I wish we could get a good void subclass exotic for hunters that makes grenades better or turns smoke bomb into a viable offensive tool. You have no idea how frustrating it can be when events like guardian games, solstice of heroes, etc... that one day will demand VOID grenade or charged melee KILLS. Both of those are typically so easy to do with warlocks or titans as they have exotics that can help with that and their abelites are more lethal.
I'd reconsider young ahamkaras spine. They do way more than the perk tells you. They have really strong utility in PvP and can net you infinite grenades with knife tricks burn damage. They buff tripmine damage, range, blast radius, duration, health, throw distance. They also give a huge boost to grenade regen on *any* ability damage and also remove self damage from your own grenade.
They also have intrinsic fastball, paired with dual impact induction explosive knife refunds Tripmines INSTANTLY, AND you don't take damage from your own Tripmine. Plus, Golden gun refunds Tripmines. As though that weren't enough, you can stick allies. Paired with Explosive Wellmaker or Elemental Ordnance and Well of Life, you get health regen from these 'okay' grenades.
It really sucks when you want a good roll for dragons shadow and get a horrible roll, but then proceed to accidentally get a god roll for liars handshake
Throw that handshake on on a day when vanguard playlist has arc singe and reduced melee cool down. You legitimately do not ever need to use a gun, just punch
frostees are way to underrated on this list. having more shirikens for stasis mains is super nice and extremely effective in endgame pvp, having that grenade that can chunk off some health when capping a zone is powerful, you’ll always have a dodge less than 10 seconds
Depending on how you use them it should be in every hunters top 3. For pvp. If you take pvp seriously it should always be an option. It’s destiny multi tho so it’s already a joke in general
@@timothymoore2966 that is true man. i do take pvp seriously when i’m alone but with groups id fuck around with grav forfeit or something lmao. frostees can be powerful for anyone, for me i usually just sprint up against a corner to top off my knife if i didn’t get the headshot previously... destiny pvp is just ability and shotgun heavy, which puts frostees above stompees in my opinion. movement is great, i love stompees but the ability regen is considerable for any build
Raijus harness is honestly s tier for trials. Utilize stompees and then when you get your super switch to raijus. Once you get one kill, you get a lot more super energy then chaos reach when you cancel.
bombardiers are actually pretty usefull with a cqc oriented stasis setup. granted, it only kills low tier ads, but it can generate a good amount of dodge energy or grim harvest crystals
To use Datto's words, I nearly detached my retinas from rolling my eyes when he talked about Raiju's Harness and barely said shit about it or the subclass in PVP. Idk maybe the concept of something people normally swap to when they got super somehow in Datto's book diminishes it but fuck me, being able to neuter a Revenant's Tornado, take people out and cancel super isn't shabby in the slightest. I seriously don't get why he was so hard stuck on talking about the exotic in the confines of PVE. Similar situation with Young Ahamkara Spine getting nothing said about it, there's tons of combinations you can do running a variety of mods like Momentum Transfer, Bomber, Ashes to Assets, etc! Top Tree Gunslinger wombo-combo with explosive knife and tripmines with Spine in PVP is a classic and gets even more fun when you got a Demolitionist weapon on. I get Datto normally plays Titan but there's a lot of points in this video where I feel like he literally has no fucking clue what he's talking about.
@@thealldayspecial he also says trip mines are bad in pve. If you have spine on the blast radius is insane, clear out so many targets if you know how to place them.
@@thealldayspecial yea, no way is assassin's cowl is bad. it gives healing AND invisibility; it has saved me so many times. literally the first exotic i spend 3 ascendant shards on
@@therewillbefire1833 Oh totally! Also worth mentioning how well it does when you got Artifact mods where Solar melee or grenade helps out big for stopping a champ. they're very nice when you can just chuck a bunch. I don't mean to come off too hard on Datto (he's one of the more sane content creators out there) but this exotic run down was a bit poor and only showed Datto's unfamiliarity to the class, especially with how much they got going for them.
I value Athrys a lot. Its fun to use in PvP and in PvE its like having a single golden gun shot on demand for whatever you need it for, and when combined with a 1-2 punch shotty it does big boi damage. I am willing to sacrifice the Celestial Goldie on some fights, like Taniks, to run these since the captains in that fight are the biggest obstacle for some of my group. I can have that beefy throwing knife up more often so I can deal with them and never have to worry about wasting damage doing it.
correction for mask of bakris, depending on what dodge you use will also change what happens making it strong if you want to dodge and ninja star or dodge into cover and auto reload for next engagement. on top of this using a aspect you can SLOW enemys whilst dodging and getting the dodge buffs, during light shift (the cooldown) said slow downed will take 10% extra damage (said in its exotic perk stasis effected and arc)
Bombardiers and invisibility on dodge or that Stasis perk that slows enemies when you dodge is actually a really strong combo that people may want to try. While it can be used offensively it is mostly useful against anything that runs up to you and either smacks you around or explodes, but it has saved my butt plenty of times. Also it's fun in PVP because shotgun meta. if you sprint at me I will just get a few feet further away and get free damage.
I am best friends with Omnioculus. If you spec into a CwL build to have maximum stacks with Energy Converter, you can basically (or theoretically) replace Orpheus with Omni if you manage your grenade uptime well. Energy Converter for those of you that don't know, is a mod that refunds Super energy when you throw your grenade right after your Super ends. If you have 5 stacks of CwL, you get 50% of your super back the SECOND you throw your Grenade after using a Super. The downside of this mod is that it sacrifices one tier of Discipline (while generally restricting grenade usage because you don't want to blow your load too early just before you even get your Super), but if you're good about your smoke bomb usage and constantly making yourself and your teammates invisible, you essentially never have to worry about your grenade being on cooldown. Since this build is also grenade-focused, you can spec for weapon perks that fit this build like Adrenaline Junkie and Demolitionist which means higher weapon damage with even more grenade uptime. Using Multishot Tether as your Super also isn't as bad as you might think as the bonus damage you get from damaging Tethered enemies is pretty substantial (not Celestial Nighthawk substantial, but substantial enough to where I can say that it feels like a contender). This build is mainly talking in terms of PvE. In PvP, this build will probably get very little use out of its main advantages due to the fact that Orbs of Power are very rare and that all your CwL stacks fall off if you die (Assuming that you're using Taking Charge).
I feel like Aeons work best on Hunter because you aren't bound to Geomags, Phoenix Protocol, or Ursas like Warlock and Titan. Having one Hunter give everyone heavy ammo is certainly helpful, especially for scary GMs like Proving Grounds, where you might want to lean hard on Anarchy.
1. Sealed Ahmkaran Grasps has really good synergy with the likes of middle tree gunslinger (or other dot based melees). It can actually be pretty useful in raids where you cannot reload but need high boss damage, time it right and you have unlimited ammo for the duration of the dot damage. That is really useful on rocket launchers, etc. I really do enjoy them. 2. Oathkeeper is actually really interesting. I use it as I really enjoy using bows and I do have to say it is really fun. I cannot sit here and say it is the best or that you should even replace it with other exotics, but if you are a bow user it is for sure amazing. It keeps that perfect moment, so it combos very well with the likes of Ticcu's. I recommend that you use it though on subclasses that are not exotic reliant, so morbius quiver void, stasis, or blade barage (even either gunslinger but bottom tree gunslinger often relies on celestial). 3. Aeon gauntlets has not been talked about here but that one post rework is actually super good to use for a general exotic on those subclasses that are not reliant, like with oathkeeper.
hunters who main pvp (so most of them) and stomp-ee5 are like flint Lockwood from "cloudy with a chance of meatballs" they are never taking those things off
i actually love the bombardiers for pve. especially with stasis when you dodge slowing the enemy so they pretty much get stuck in the path of where the bomb was left. i've had so many instances where i find my self being absolutely crowded with red bars and doing a simple dodge not only reloads my rifle but also deals damage to all of them killing most if not all of them that were crowding me. Or sometimes when im charging into a ground of enemies while firing and start to run low in that mag i'll dodge and take out a good bit of enemies and carry on. Its actually one of my main exotic armor pieces. But i know they're not for everyone but i know personally i feel like i can really get a good amount of kills in pve with em. Pvp... useless but i rarely do pvp.
Quick point with Dragon’s Shadow- you don’t actually need to run it with max mobility, as dodging with it gives you a hidden +50 mobility. I wouldn’t run just 50 mobility for cases when you die in the period after you dodge, but you can easily get away with ~70.
Athrys's Embrace is pretty much my favorite exotic. The giant buff to knife + Unstoppable is amazing. And adding a "One-Two Punch" shotgun with it to make it absolute nuke.
A boosted knife does almost same damage as a golden gun shot it’s one of my favorite exotics as well. Being able to stun unstoppable is sweet too freeing up a mod slot. Not sure why he ranked it like he did having a knife that does that much damage that’s easy to keep up with gamblers dodge or Monte Carlo is clutch. I’ve also used it with travelers chosen with good results.
Fr about the One Two shotgun + Athrys's. This synergy literally turns your Knife into a pocket super that can deal 100k+ damage. But it's a good thing that datto ranked it low since less Hunters using it mean less chance for nerf.
As someone who has been using a 120//Aggressive Sniper PvP build I will always love my Knucklehead Radar and how it allows me to be a Laning Larry and full be, as the exotic implies, a radar watching knucklehead. But the moment I switch to a shotgun or even just off of my Crimil's, I always put on Stomp-EE5.
I see your rocking that nighthawk with the chest pieces. I think it'd be sweet to be able to wear 2 pieces at once. There's some good combos out there.
I agree with most of this. Except I would say omnioculus deserves tier 5. But also I think assassins cowl does as well. Being able to throw a knife, which can infinitely refresh on 2/3 trees of gunslinger or infinitely chain melees on top tree arc or even just finisher and get healing and invis for an absurd amount of time allows for the same invis utility you get on nightstalker (not to Omni degree but still very close) while also being able to heal, but on ANY subclass. Very powerful and life saving
1:18 me too! I don't run Arc too often, unless it's the weekly strike burn but when I do I always have RF on. Last week I was messing around with cryosthesia 77k so I had on the exotic gauntlets that boost sidearm damage. and I was so surprised when I popped Arc staff and it was over faster than a virgin on his first date, I didn't realize just how much extra time you get with RF equipped especially if you're in an area full of adds lol.
I can’t fathom that people actually use smoke bombs for invis. Top tree dodge invisibility is WAY better. On command, doesn’t require you to hit a bunch of teammates to get it back (no point in giving allies invis), constant uptime. AND you get your melee back or reload for free too. Sixth coyote on top tree is the way to go.
Young Ahamkaras Spine is so underrated. "Ability damage grants trip mine energy". That means a trip mine, knife and your super can recharge your trip mine. Trip mines are stronger than you may think. It sticks to surfaces and staggeres most enemies. With enough mobility you can recharge you knife and spam trip mines. I have my combo set for pve: trip mine, knife, dodge, knife, dodge and repeat. Especially if your on middle tree gunslinger, once enemies start burning you recharge your knives much faster and you won't need to dodge as much. (You can also use a mod to gain nade energy when dodging) You can rival a celestial nighthawk while being able to damage multiple targets and swap you priorities. But... Meta is meta.
FYI, dragons shadow essentially gives a stealth 50 mobility, meaning you can run 50 mobility and still have max dodge cooldown(as I’ve been doing for forever, so hard to take it off)
For PvP, Dragons Shadow is only just behind Stompees. Anyone relying on Wormhusk is (no offence intended) not good at PvP, better positioning and map awareness helps you stay alive, wormhusk is simply a panic “GIVE ME FREE HEALTH” button. Dragons Shadow allows you to get an easy triple 100 stat line so you can have 100 recov and 100 discipline on a stasis build with spammy coldsnap grenades. DS intrinsically gives you +50 mobility after you dodge, so you only need 50 odd mobility to max it out, staying alive to let your dodge recharge is the key. But it also gives a massive boost to handling and reload, giving all weapons boarderline quickdraw and snapshot, and then reload speeds like Ophidian Aspect for Warlocks offers. Then, it even reloads all weapons allowing you to run gamblers dodge for melee cooldown, great for stasis, can even use the aspect that slows nearby enemies. Sometimes I think the extra mobility stompees offers is overkill and running 3 100 stats including mobility can offer what stompees does and then some. The benefits of DS also stacks with quickdraw, snapshot, surplus, killing wind etc
Young Ahamkaras are so underrated in non-GM PvE. You can almost spam your trip mine with combination of Impact Induction/Throwing Knives/Dodge along with added super with Ashes to Assets and Distribution, its really giving that super fast as well. Always can be tagged with Demolitionist/Tresh/Wellspring. Its just more fun to use than Shards of Galanor. Plus i find it way more consistent with damage and accuracy of hit with trip mine than Incendiary grenade and its bouncing.
Datto I’d argue you’re underrating Raiju’s harness for PvP. Extra guard time, plus if you die in arc staff you get to keep whatever super energy you had when you died. Only problem is arc strider generally sucks in PvP lol
Not even mentioning that Dragon's Shadow gives an extra 5 stacks of mobility whenever Wraithmetal mail is active and thus giving dodge back within 6 seconds after Wraithmetal Mail ends on every subclass to then get wrathmetal mail back seems like an oversight for this video. Freeing up to 50 points of mobility for use in other stats feels really good in PVP and PVE since anything over 50 mobility will be wasted as soon as you dodge.
For what it's worth, Assassin's Cowl is INCREDIBLE for solo'ing dungeons. It's the only thing that let me easily solo Pit Of Heresy as I can just pop a thrall for 6 seconds of invis or the knight for 15, carry the orb, and dunk city.
as an Ahamkara spine main I feel like this exotic gets slept on. Enhanced tripmines are better than you might think in PVP and this exotic allows you to chain tripmine+knives+dodge infinitely.
Love using Young Ahamkara's Spine with middle tree gunslinger. Slap on Focusing Strike + Bolstering Detonation and you have a recipe for infinite Grenade / Melee Spam Very fun build, would recommend
I actually really like Lucky Rasp as my swap off exotic for Arc, especially in enemy dense activities. Being able to clear rooms with a couple grenades instantly is actually pretty sweet. I'll slap on Ophidia when I need to clear melee bounties, as playing with fire is so easy to get to x3 and then it's just knives everywhere. Frost-335 is my go to for stasis hunter in PvE, and PvP when I have to play it.
I used to keep Sealed Ahamkaras Grasp on my middle tree gunslinger at all times. If you set a target on fire with the melee like a boss it would proc the reload on every tick of fire damage and you could unload a full auto shotgun like crazy. I used it a lot when the haunted forest came out for the first time. Not sure if it works anymore.
I feel like Datto overlooked Oathleeper a bit. While not really useful in pve, in pvp it can mean all the difference. Being able to precharge the bow before turning a corner or seeing an enemy can significantly increase your chance of winning. You can shoot their head and switch to a 120 hand cannon and they'll be dead before they can even react
I was under the impression that Dragon's Shadow gives +50 mobility when it's up. That's why I run that exotic mainly with 51 mobilty and then dodge, have "100" mobility while the perk is up, and then have a dodge ready 3-4 seconds after the perk expires.
I would argue Oathkeeper is useful for PVP if you are running a bow centric build. always good to keep an arrow knocked and ready when cornering or moving through more open spaces where you dont get much time to pull to full with something like Trinity Ghoul before the shooting start. it saves those precious seconds between life and death in my experience
Heads up young ahamkara's spine has 7 f ing perks; fast ball, ability regen on ALL ability damage, increase durability (5 shots to destroy with no aim assist so people do miss more than normal), duration, blast radiance, damage and removes self damage.
I think you’re undervaluing Oathkeepers quite a bit, but it’s really more Bungie’s fault than yours. While Oathkeepers’ Exotic Perk only states that you can hold bow charges indefinitely, it actually also allows you to draw arrows quicker, and every full draw becomes a perfect draw, dealing bonus damage (these effects were removed from the description, but are still present). These gauntlets are amazing in both PvE and PvP when paired with Trinity Ghoul, Le Monarque, and most of all, Ticuu’s. Ticuu’s bonus explosion damage from a perfect draw is considerable, and being able to do it with ease for every shot is incredibly strong. On the PvP side, having a guaranteed poison burst from Le Monarque with every shot is amazing, and can land some full team wipes in 3v3s. Wouldn’t sleep on these.
Divinity and Athrys's Embrace is great for Master, maybe GM w/Overload and/or Unstoppable champs (especially if someone else is running Izanagi's). Procs the bonus damage from the knife, you get the stun/disruption, and you get the Divinity bubble (pretty much a guaranteed crit w/the knife).
