Detailed look at Kone Double Deck 

Most interesting lift setups for me are.... 1. Twin 2. Up and over bridge lifts 3. Double deck 4. Intelligent levelling by relays 5. Funiculars that use lift logics 6. Track locking lifts 7. Climbing lifts 8. Paternosters

@@benolifts Yay, paternosters!

Thanks

Thats how the twin works. Double decks usually don't work like this. They need to have 2 ground floors. They are exclusively for buildings that have the correct layout for people flow with a double deck lift.

The first 3 double deck scenarios could be done with relays. The 4th one that this video is about would be almost impossible. The amount of calculators involved would be crazy for relays to do. I could be possible for someone to invent such a thing, but there would be practical problems, such as the amount of space needed to house all the relays (probably be an entire room full of racks and racks of relays), and then there would be the added cost of all the relays, then the biggest problem would be that the originally engineers that maintain the lifts would not have the knowledge on how such a complex system would work. Actually the ThyssenKrupp twin is an example of this, as there are only a handful of Twins in the world and ThyssenKrupp has a dedicated team to maintain them who understand the system as an ordinary engineer would be clueless.

​@@benolifts I mean, to be very fair, even these lifts have some people totally from the "Computer Science" land helping them. But given software today, it can all just live in the board, and you actually do not need dedicated people on site to just "set it up". But an ordinary engineer not understanding this even in an mechanical level still stands true, as the whole darn two cabs on a single frame, etc is not a very common thing, really amazing actually :P

@@hariranormal5584 I was more referring to that if the algorithm for this was created using relays, it could be more than 1000s relays. A normal engineer would not be able to fault find this. On this modern day system, a normal engineer should be able to maintain this, hopefully, although I would not trust a generic engineer to have a clue what they are doing on most proprietary lifts. Special engineers would be needed to set up the algorithm on this system when it is first installed as this would be something outside of a normal days work for most lift engineers.

@@benolifts Heh, it's probably anyways Kone and other "first tier lift companies" doing innovation. I never expect any generic engineer or any generic company to ever make double decker lifts because they simply are not your standard of the shelf thing, it's a quite propitary designs by Kone, etc. Would be amazing to see Mitsubishi varients of this of they have any

Hey guys windows xpnt is very late 😂

Trust me mate. It is NOT an ecodisk 🤣 it most definitely has a motor room

I believe it is an Kone Ecodisc MX100. MX40 wouldn't be powerful enough. MX40 does something around 1600kg @ 8.5 m/s. So at 3600kg that would be around 3.8 m/s. So this lift has to be a MX100.

@@jakewynn Ecodiscs are often installed in motor rooms. From weird ones with custom frames... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--NZLl30-S0s.html To dual motor versions such as MX32 MX40 and MX100 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HrcUrkJJER0.html

@@benolifts really? It seems to be too powerful for an ecodisk motor.

Ecodisc is the only motor that Kone make apart from their current counterweightless design

... a double decker lift though

@@donpoIlo2982 😂👍

But not just any lift

@@wisteela But a double decker lift!

@@wisteela it’s a double lift

I think it is one thing to put full effort into creating an over the top prototype that makes loads of people and news reporters go "wow this is an amazing technical achievement". But it is a completely different thing to make a product that can be produced and sold, that sells for a price that people will buy, and that does a function well, and that is reliable. With ThyssenKrupps past record for futuristic lifts that are very unreliable (think of the over bridge lift and the Isis design). With the many many moving parts on Multi, and ThyssenKrupps poor reliability record, and the design being too dependent on software, and the lifts being side chassis for a skyscraper lift (no lift faster than 1 m/s should have a side chassis), to put it simply I would be shocked if ThyssenKrupp managed to pull this off.

@@benolifts and since you're here I have a suggestion for the building creator for skyscrapersim I'm not sure if you saw my comment I want an easy way to create a large number of floors have a button that brings up an interface where you type in dimensions and the number of floors you want

Yeah, Like the ones in AquaDom

Cheese

Stagecoach Midlands

@@ahoj113 and ham

Arriva Midlands.

West Midlands Railway

Funny how it's localised properly as lift on the destination consoles, right?

The voice should have said "Car A" as that would be more universal.

@@benolifts And indeed, that is what Schindler does.

What?

@@TheeSurfer this weirdo has like dozens of alts and all claim to "hack Beno" Probably a troll. Don't bother.

Once again you come to spam on Beno’s videos. 💩