Details emerge about Virginia plane crash that killed instructor and injured student pilot from Mary 

The engine did not stall. It was an aerodynamic stall. The wings lost airflow and could no longer produce lift.

As a Certified Flight Instructor, it is vital that the instructor be able to physically overpower the student on the controls if the student panics and does something dangerous. I have been in this situation many times. This is without a doubt the most dangerous part of flight instructing. RIP.

The engine did not stall this is insane that the news networks can get away with this sloppy journalism

After she said the engine stalled I came here for the comments because I just knew

Horrid reporting

Reporters need to know what they are talking about instead of throwing out information. The engine did not stall. The plane stalled because it pitched up too steeply and the wings could no longer generate lift. I refrain from saying why it happened because it could have been that the yoke was pulled too far back. Why? A student pilot not familiar with the amount of yoke movement to take off, the seat rails were not locked causing the seat to slide back and the student pulling the yoke with it? A through investigation is needed before stupid assumptions are made.

I wonder if the student panicked and unintentionally overpowered the instructor.

As a former flight instructor I can tell you a student locking up on the controls was one of my nightmare situations. I never had it happen but I was armed with a strategy if it ever did. I was told that if a student locked up that I should cover their eyes. Their natural reaction would be to let go and try to move my hands away from their eyes. I don’t think that would work in a situation like this, a severe pull up, but it’s something to keep in your back pocket if you find yourself in a situation with a panicked student.

From an old flight instructor here it's the norm for the least senior instructors to get the foreign students at certain flight schools. Seasoned flight instructors know that they are a nightmare to instruct and have a hard time following procedures. This goes double for the African and Middle Eastern students.

Where is the ATC audio capturing the incident you said ?

Leave it to a reporter. The plane was pulled up steeply which caused the “engine” to stall. If you’re going to update at least get the wording together. The plane itself stalled not the engine

kids teaching kids aeroplane flying, what could go wrong?

Condolences to the pilot. By the way, it was not the engine that stalled, it's the plane. When the plane lost speed due to the steep climb out, less air flow over the wings is what caused the plane to stall, not the engine. I wish on air reporters would learn about what they're reporting before they open their mouths.

Pretty kid… such young kids trying to get experience teaching other kids. This is what is wrong with aviation.

My fix wing instructor as well as my chopper instructor were well above 50 years old, they had thousands of flying hours and had lots of experience/emergencies. Nowadays I see younger instructors... RIP.

"Steep angle engine stall" *Facepalm* This is why the media sucks so hard- they try to cover everything using one set of reporters, rather than employing experts in each field.

It’s NOT an engine stall. It’s the wings stalling from a high angle of attack that causes the wings to lose lift

So sad may she rest in peace 🙏🙏🙏

A 23 year old instructor?? uh, no thanks

A stall in an airplane is not an engine stall, it’s when the wing losses lift and that low to the ground there is not enough altitude to recover and get the wing flying again. The student should have never had the controls that close to the ground. Especially on their first flight. RIP!

The window of correction is very small at such a low altitude while still climbing. Not only that, but the student was a large male, and she is a small girl. Even if she was immediately on the controls to counter what he was doing, if he was putting any effort into it at all, she wouldn't have been able to overpower him.

Engine stalled? It can fly without engine! Lets try aerodynamic stall! Get facts straight before reporting!

23 year old flight instructor....no thanks

I would assume the student was flying the plane. It could have been an engine problem or the angle of attack was to steep causing the stall…. The male student could have dominated the flight controls and panicked, the female instructor may not have been able to assume command of the airplane in the time needed to correct the error. Panic from inexperience is hard to overcome…….. just like rescue swimming, the one drowning will attempt to pull you down unless you assume control….. Just because she was 23 means nothing, she could have been an excellent pilot……

I hate people, especially news reporters that do not understand what they are reporting. The engine did not "stall".

This tells you nothing. The reporters obviously don’t have a clue about an aircraft wings stalling versus an engine stall.

A stall in an aircraft does not refer to the engine. It refers when the angle of attack is too great to sustain lift. Nothing to do with the engine.

Engine does not stall because of high angle. The wing stalls...

Kind of sounds like seat slid back.

These news reporters know NOTHING about aviation, principles of flight, aircraft.....etc. PLEASE do your research BEFORE you spout off mis-information! I had a similar experience as an aircraft pilot/mechanic at the Cheyenne Wy. airport in 1996 when young Jessica Dubroff and her flight instructor and father where killed while attempting a takeoff in thunderstorms, pilot-reported wind shear, poor visibility, and possible overweight with an aft center of gravity to boot. As an eyewitness, I observed the aircraft rotate, barely climb and "pourpose" as it attempted to climb out. As I observed the aircraft enter a fairly steep bank to the right, I knew it was over. Seconds later the aircraft aerodynamically stalled and struck the ground in a near-vertical attitude. Many factors contributed to this tragedy. When the news station interviewed me, I told them what happened, they appeared to only want to know what their untrained eye told them, engine "sputtered"....they later broadcast our "interview" COMPLETLY changing the factual account I gave. WOW!

A 23 year old woman instructor?!? What could go wrong...

As many have mentioned the term stall is in reference to the air flowing over the top of the wings. A nose up attitude reduces airflow over the top of the wings, which must be faster than the airflow underneath the wing surface. Conclusion here is that flight schools need to focus more on safety than revenue. Better screening is required before you allow anyone at the controls of an aircraft.

Here is another story by a reporter who did not do her research (engine stall)????

The student has the exact type of name that would cause something like this, poor girl couldn't overpower him

The engine didn't stall. 🤦‍♂️

There was a air directive on the 172 about the seat coming un latched and moving back ...

A steep climb angle would not cause the engine to stall. The wing stalls as it passes the critical angle of attack

Engines don't stall just because you pull the nose up; the aircraft is what stalls, or more accurately the wing(s) stall.

If the engine stalled it’s probably because the pilot wasn’t used to flying with stick shift. Most plane have automatic transmission now. It’s really easy to stall if you are shifting gears during a climb.

Does no one read comments before commenting? 90% of these comments about the "stall" and people are still making the same comment. Yeah, we all know it was a screwup by the copywriter or the reported just added "engine" before "stall" but so what? This was a crash that claimed the life of a young lady with her whole life ahead of her.

Obviously, the engine did not stall. Unfortunately, journalists are not experts on ANY story they report on. Virtually all news reports have errors of this kind. It's a well-know problem. There is a name for this. Knoll’s law of media accuracy is the adage that “everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge”.

i’m sorry but it caused the engine to stall??? 💀 i mean do yo ur research correctly before u report the news.

Where are the details?

I’m pretty sure the engine did not stall. What stalled was the wing. Aircraft stall accidents always confuse the media.

Engine to stall?? You journalists need to do your homework or get an aviation consultant on staff. A stall has nothing to do with the engine. It's an aerodynamic function that causes loss of lift produced by the wing. An airplane can stall while the engine is producing full power.

Blind leading the blind . Why would you have two students in the plane ? There is no way I would get in a plane with a student flying it

R.I.P.😢

Are you kidding me? How do you become a flight instructor at 23 there’s no way on this earth I would let anyone instruct me at the age of 23.

The fact that people over here complaining about the news not doing their research... Ya'll should take it upon yourself to rewatch the video where she says: "Officials say...."

Flight Instuctors have one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Rip to the girl❤

just remember every subject TV reporters report on has about the same level of accuracy.

I wonder if the seat latch gave way sliding back, and she held on to the controls.

Was the student pilot a male or a female? I’m curious

please get your reporters to prepare better --- the engine did not stall, the wing did. Jeez ... local reporters are horrlble

A wing can stall in any configuration. What matters is its Angle Of Attack with the oncoming air. instructors typically teach straight and level stalls which fools students into only expecting a stall when the “nose is too high”, but a stall in a turn happens at a lower airspeed because the AOA is already increased to maintain vertical lift while providing the horizontal lift necessary to hold the turn radius.

It's amazing how little these news casters know, yet still report like they are the authority.

just terrible reporting all around. They should not comment on things they have absolutely no understanding about. their description of the crash defies all logic or reality of flying.

The plane did not crash into a tree! Can't these people gat anything right? RIP to the pilot.

Inappropriate student/instructor pairing.

I have never heard of flight instructions with a passenger. I wonder if there is any hint this was deliberate?

Engines don’t stall; wings stall.

A few inadvertent stalls on takeoff rotation due to seat not locked and it slides backwards and you can’t help but pull the yolk back.🤷‍♂️

The wing stalled not the engine.

I wish these TV talking heads would at least have the foggiest notion of what they're reporting on. This bubble head reported the Cessna 172 pulled into a steep climb after takeoff, which caused the engine to stall. That is absolute idiocy from someone who knows nothing about aircraft ! The steep climb DID NOT cause the engine to stall ! The steep climb shortly after takeoff caused the aircraft to enter an aerodynamic stall. To put it into "Airplane Basics For Dummies" terms, the aircraft lost airspeed in the steep climb. The loss of airspeed caused the wings to lose lift to the point the aircraft could no longer stay in the air. It was an aerodynamic stall. It had nothing to do with an engine stall.

23 yo. teaching a 18yo. aviation?? Good Lord

So like the Santa Monica crash, the bone head student pulled back on the controls, stalled the aircraft and killed the instructor! They need a break away control to prevent unqualified people from killing others on these training flights.

I’m more shocked that her name was Alluwah-buh-hoonway-ohhyuhbodeway?????? WTF!!!🤯

The engine stalled??? lol I believe you meant an aerodynamic stall... The media should employ real experts for better reporting. So much dis-information and we wonder why lol.

Wait... not THE 18 year old Bahun Me Oye Bode ? ! ☆

HUH? Pitching the aircraft up at a steep angle doesn't cause he engine to stall. They stalled the wings and lost lift. You would think a news agency would have someone around that knows something about aviation.

The news can never get it right. The “engine” didn’t go into a stall. The plane went into an aerodynamic stall

You reporters really have to do some homework before you talk about what happened right before the crash. When an airplane stalls it’s referring to lack of lift generated by the wings. It has nothing to do with an engine stall like in a car. The engine could be running perfectly, but if the angle of attack is too great, the wings no longer provide lift and the plane stalls.

Flying cars would be dangerous. So many plane crashes in the news recently

Sad

I wonder if the engine lost power causing the stall…

Are there 2 engine Cessna 172s?

It looks like she hit an embankment, where if it was reasonably flat terrain it would have been survivable. Low airspeed equals zero control. Stalling on takeoff should be avoided at all costs, including the loss of the plane.

A “stall” does not mean that the engine stalled!

Have a look at Oluwagbohunmi Ayomide Oyebode and you'll figure a few things out about this mishap. Only 18, among other things. And why are 16 year olds allowed to fly solo, anyhow? Many can barely be trusted with cars.

Why is it people cant understand what an aerodynamic stall is? Has nothing to do with the engine

A 23 year old flight instructor???? HELL NO 😱

So you say Ayaawade-Be'hounme Oyebonye was from Hanover, Maryland, eh? And he was flying the plane that crashed and killed that young girl. What a senseless, stupid waste of a life. How about before someone is allowed to be a student pilot, they have to pass an IQ test and score over 115? Wouldn't that prevent this sort of thing? Yes it would prevent most of it. Flying aircraft is NOT an easy job that anyone can do !! It's not like driving a car !

Hired the pilot from the border..!

A 23 yo flight instructor?

High angle of attack causes aerodynamic stall not engine stall.

Do journalists do any research at all. The wing stalled not the engine. There have been similar accidents in the C172 due to a faulty seat tracks slipping back during take off or climb out. It happened to me but fortunately it happened during my preflight run up.

'The plane was pulled to a steep angle that caused the engine to stall.' It's good to know we can rely on the expertise of professional reporters...........Geezus...

23 year old CFI? Sounds pretty young to be in charge of teaching someone to fly. She was probably a time builder so she could go work for an airline

engines don't stall by pulling the wing stalls. been like this since the Wright Brothers journalists pay attention

These news people have no clue what they’re talking about. Steep angle causing the engine to stall. Whenever news people hear the word stall in a plane crash story they think it means the engine quit. And that’s what they report. The engine may well have quit. But the plane doesn’t stop flying until the WING stalls. Likewise the engine could be perfect but the wing stalls for various reasons. And that’s caused by Usually pilot error in both scenarios. Perfect plane and engine. Pull back too long on the yoke you stall the wing. Turn too steep you stall the wing. Too low when this happens you crash. Or if you don’t know how to recover with enough altitude. It if you’ve lost visual reference to the horizon and don’t know how to read and trust your instruments. These are all reasons why flying isn’t actually that easy. I found , when learning , that instructors did not emphasize these basics enough. But then again all of these things can and do happen to the best most experienced pilots you can imagine. Which is pretty scary to think of. In smallest mist basic and the biggest most advanced aircraft.

"Caused the engine to stall". Wings stall, not engines.

The engine does not stall. Aerodynamic stall

How can you be an instructor at 23

typical ignorant news reporters. Engines do not "stall" because the nose pitches up.

her name was what

The "engine stalled".

There is no Z in Cessna !

someone was a little over zealous on the rotate.

“Steep angle causing the engine to stall”? On aircraft, airfoils (wings) stall from too steep of an angle with insufficient speed. Engines don’t stall from steep angles. Media types are as confused by aviation as they are about guns, yet think they’re experts merely because they usually have good speaking skills. A&P/IA

I'm not a pilot; I have been trained as an automotive mechanic; I thought the engine didn't fail to operate the sudden input correctly on the controls, which caused the plane to stall. I believe it must happen so fast the instructor wasn't able to save it. It breaks my heart. It seems like two or three private planes to go down a day!