Developer Relationships in FFXIV vs. WoW 

WoW Developer "Our game doesn't suck, you just suck." FFXIV Developer "When you cried during our story, I cried too."

yoshi p asking asmogold how his mother is doing perfectly encapsulates why I love ff14 and its developers as it shows they are capable of empathy towards players and aren't just viewing us as cash cows

Asmongold: Plays FFXIV for 2 months Yoshi P: How are you holding up? Is your mother okay? I'm glad you had time to make it to the stream. What a guy

WoW Devs when something goes wrong, after 6 months of ignoring criticism: "I'm sorry you feel that way, snowflake" FFXIV Devs when something goes wrong, even before being criticized: "We're sorry, we will do better. Here's a full breakdown of what went wrong and a 10 step plan for how we are going to fix it, with timelines."

One thing that always shocks me is how there is such care to YoshiP's interactions, that he makes an effort to interact in one on one discussion (with translators) with major content creators, and just be funny with them. Like, despite the language barrier, this guy has a better rapport with his western audience than WoW does.

This video is proof alone of why FF14 got the award for "Best Community". Not only is FF14's community friendly to one another, but the developers and staff actually play the game and interact with its community and streamers. This is why they deserve that award.

It really saddens me how much love was required to make World of Warcraft, and how much greed and disregard was required to bring it to where it is today. I genuinely feel like I lost my home when I left Azeroth.

I like how Zepla's interview was 75% memes and jokes. Yoshi P played along so well. Love that man

Ion was a lawyer. I mean, that pretty much explains everything you need to know about his thought process.

Yoshi P cares so much about his community. Asmondgold 1-2 months in and Yoshi P has been paying attention and has been listening he's just an amazing guy who care for his community and doing his best to support others. I want to be half the man he is

Ion sees a number. Yoshi sees a person. The classic two management types.

Gaslighting is often defined as manipulating someone else into making them question their sense of reality. A typical example is making the victim believe they are at fault when they clearly are not.

It's simple, Yoshi-P is Human, Ion is a malfunctioning Robot attempting to mimick Human emotion. Given the huge issues at Blizzard/Activision, I'm sure he fits in perfectly.

I've noticed that Yoshi-P do care. I've been watching streamers complaining about how the FF14 map is a little difficult to navigate and I thought so too and in Endwalker they updated the map and teleport system. There wasn't a big announcement about it like we have listened and we delivered and give themselves a pat on the back. They just did it.

Remember when I asked a similar "what character would you hang out with" question on the forums when I played in Mists and a Blue Text made fun of the question. Meanwhile Yoshida has a real think about the question. Major difference.

I always laugh and then cry when he just right just says "Yah your spec sucks, suck it up don't care" Why blizzard is dead to me...

here's how i'd sum up the difference : FFXIV : they WANT to know what you think of their work, because they WANT it to be the best WoW : They 'know' their work is the best, they just want you to acknowledge it

My God, I miss Chris Metzen. Everytime he would be talking about WoW and the lore, he was looked like a kid in a candyshop. You could just feel the excitement. Hell, even his banter was all done in good faith.

We're kinda giving merit to Square Enix as a company by proxy, but let's not forget the reason XIV 1.0 was a massive piece of shit was precisely because they as a company weren't that much different from ActiBlizzard today. If it wasn't for Yoshida-san, we'd still have a terrible game with no autoattack, no jump and disabled forums so we couldn't complain about it, among other, more egregious things. Many people find off putting how much XIV players idolize Yoshida-san, but he and his team are single handedly proving the company that if you take care of the game and make it good and fun to play it's going to be much better both for the players and for the company itself, rather than throw in the highest graphic nonsense and hope for the best.

One's a gamer, happy to make a game for other gamers. The other's an egocentric asshole happy to make Pavlovian FOMO grindfests to artificially fluff MAUs for investors.

Yoshi P snorting at Zeplas question just made my day

Ion: we could fix these inconviniences that have the risk of piling up, however, do you want us to kill memes? nice priorities Ion, no wonder the game is in the state that's in right now

"We are so lucky that you want to play the game we've made" VS "You are so lucky we bother making this game for you"

I'm sorry... Did I just hear a *Lead Game Designer* say "sorry, your class & playstyle are not viable, deal with it"?!

YoshiP is by far the best dev the mmo community has ever seen and some people don’t even know how to react.

You can feel the love in FFXIV. Haven't played WOW, but I am sure players can feel the disdain.

My goodness.. when WoW players complained about lack of communication and overall poor content, I was assuming they were exaggerating just a bit..

Yoshi p is like our fun uncle that makes us feel good about ourselves while blizzard is like a abusive dad that makes fun of you when you do something wrong lol

One game's lead developer is concerned with making a game the players enjoy and the other one is only concerned with making the game he wants personally and with his own ego. It shows greatly in the quality of the 2 games.

If my student ask me, what a sinusoidal graph. Its what i feel watching this

Love your FFXIV vs WoW videos, I also love that I don't have to worry about profanity with my kids around in your videos. Thanks for the great content!

Yoshi P cares about building a world and a community. Ion cares about building e-sports and elitism. Good video. Please don't stop rubbing their failure in Actiblizzard's face.

FFXIV: How is your mom doing? Also XIV: OMG you were so funny doing that content! And when you were crying I was crying. WoW: We removed stuff for no apparent reason. We explained that. Moving on. Also WoW: Your speck sucks? Deal with it.

Ion - "Now it's Demonology's turn to be the worst spec." What on earth? They really just don't care and aren't embarrassed about it. What a shame.

Hi! Wow Dev here, we just like to force you to change what class you play every patch so that you have to waste more time in our abuse simulator. We value you as a payer, not player. (Satire, not actually a wow dev.)

Just caught myself smiling with all the interactions YoshiP had with the streamers, and noticed my total mood turnaround anytime Ion opened his mouth :X

The thumbnail depicts perfectly how satisfied Ion is with himself.

developers who actually play their game vs developers who see profit as there number 1 goal

When asmons mom died, there was a vigil held at Hauchenfaunts grave in ff14. Did wow do anything like that? Serious question. If they did, do they have a video of it?

The stock price at the end is *chef kiss*

Imagine if every expac a Job was unusable in high level play. "Sorry, it's Machinist's turn to be the worst DPS job." Lmao, can't believe that's intended design in WoW

Honestly, how does someone not like YoshiP lol. The guy is a gem. He is so great with the community.

YoshiP speaking to Asmongold with all that empathy 💛

I never knew I need a pouting Yoshi-P as an emote

I wish wow player will have those love they deserved soon! in the mean time just hang out with us in XIV! and back when things getting better ;)

FF14 devs spend a lot of time learning and speaking in a differnt language to communicate with international fans. I don't see anyone from blizzard learning Chinese.

Hey, it is refreshing that Yoshi and the devs address every issue and communicates with the players. Refreshing that they are not afraid to apologize and explain the problems so we can know what is going on. Refreshing that they respect the players. That the game has a story that is worth to fight your way through. That the early and mid-gameplay is as fun as the endgame content and thats all without the soulless grind. WoW Devs are on a high horse, full of themselves for no reason anymore. The game became a grindfest. The story... let's... let's not even talk about WoW story anymore. They are systematically retconning the lore into a nonsensical mess just to fit the new bullsh*t in. And when the players rise their voices to show how unhappy we are with the direction this is going to.... we are just treated with more bullsh*t. Sometimes it feels like WoW is getting torn to shreds on purpose. It is painful. Even when the entire community is yelling at them to change things because it will be a disaster on the long run, they just ignore it and run headfirst into the stonewall what everyone tried to warn them about.

For me logging in to wow feels like going back to the school i went to years ago, i don't see my friends, the teachers are different, the classes look different and even though you know it's the same place... It just doesn't feel good to be there, it's like a foreign place to be in. That's how i feel logging in to wow.

That market summary is an insane trend. If this keeps up, I can't imagine Activision being willing to keep Blizzard. They are likely to be left out in the cold...

YoshiP is the best director ever and I wish to defend this man till the end of days

That translator Yoshi-P has is the true hero here, holy crap, that is a next level translator

The end with the graphic, the music and the lalafell dancing had me roflmao

the clip of Ion starting at 4:10 is actually very insightful. I have struggled to understand the decision making around the WoW game design for many years but I now that I know that it is supposed to be a joke it makes absolute sense.

so Ion just straight up disregarding the negative feedback so that the community can meme the shit out of it to death? even if the memes are essentially the negative feedback? that's a new low of lack of self-awareness. also i want to know what background music you use for the WoW dev log section. i heard it in almost of your comparison videos.

While not mentioned in a dev video, I'm reminded of WoW's removed emotes during Zepla's emote question here

What blows my mind is that WoW devs are stuck in 1998 thinking that the average joe video game player is completely incapable of understanding the finer concepts of game design, like no bro it's been 20 years you no longer need a degree to point out the game is trash, and we've become wise to abusive design tactics. I'm so sick of the WoW dev team egotistically destroying their expansions because they think they know better than the playerbase.

If I myself were to take any of the MSQ characters to a fancy dinner, it'd be both Urianger and Yshtola.

the wow devs are rude and condesending!

Hindsight is such a bitch, can’t believe I used to just ACCEPT the way WoW devs spoke down to us. Currently going through Stormblood and still forever grateful I made the switch

One game literally cannot hold all the players that want to play the game 24/7 since expac launch and the other can't get a patch worth of content out the door

Team FFXIV laid back & having fun. Team WoW condescending attitude. I’m so glad I’ve never, ever played WoW. I don’t care how good was or is. Being treated like shit by the game devs should have happen.

Even with language barrier, Yoshi feels much closer...

All the Devs and Yoshi P are the reason why I have played Final Fantasy since part 1! The love an affection that is put into their passion for their stories are unbelieveable. They truly love the industry and their fan base equally. Thank you Squaresoft/Enix for the many years of entertainment. You truly are family.

I honestly can't understand why Hazzikostas wasn't fired from Blizzard yet... the game that he is "leading" is in the worst state ever, he lacks communication skills, he doesn't care about the game community... in another words, I think he SUCK at his work, so it's difficult to understand why he doesn't get fired.

Preach's "wtf face" at 0:38 is hilarious lol.

Chad yoshida vs virgin ion This show huge different between a dev who cares your playerbase, play the game itself. And dev who force try force his point of view. That's why i dont play wow anymore

this is even hitting the difference harder when after weeks asmongold mother pass away, sadly ... fuck world of warcraft team.

I find it amazing that Ion is still in charge of WoW.

Ion is the embodiment of "I don't give a fuck" 😂

I think a big reason why FFXIV community is so great and welcoming is because the game production team IS welcoming and joyful, so even the usually "toxic players" in other games have their moment of kindness and are respectful on FFXIV.

The sad thins is the Blizzard did have their own Yoshida… Chris Metzen was EXTREMELY passionate about his series. I noticed that blizzard became shit during the years he and other OG developers left…

Yoshi-P: Your question is interesting, give me a few to think on that. Activision: Your question is dumb and a waste of our time. Next!

Doesn't Ion look like a movie's supervillain? Not that it's far from reality anyway..

Wow died when Metzen left imo. Yoshi P just gives his all to this game and it shows in ffxiv

When dev makes their game for human in mind, the humans will treat, the dev like human beings, its called humanity.

Yoshi P is amazing

People calling y'shtola mommy is just next level chad

This stuff is invaluable for when shit does go wrong for FFXIV, as inevitably it will for any game in development. There's no way the final Ultimate content being pushed back and delayed by over a year, effectively cancelling the second big tippy-top end tier fight for the previous expac should've been as accepted with the minimal blowback it did without that sort of respect and trust they've earned. Especially the section of the community that looks forward the most to that type of content because they can be some of the most... let's say "vocal" about their grievances.

"We "insist on doing things that affect the game" I must to agree with that one

He acknowledged people saying Mommy about yshtola, and joked along. He's here for the fans

I want somewhat to force you to change your spec by nerfing it to the ground Reminds me of my ele shaman during cata those bitter days

Man, if humility was a quantifiable resource...

Some of the Blizzard devs will literally spend more time saying heinous crap against fans on Twitter, rather than having good open dialogue with them.

I came to the comment section expecting WoW players to be hating on ff14 but found some of the most sweet 14 players giving all the love to yoshi p and his team. Best comment section that included WoW I have ever seen!

6:29 Holy shit, “yes mother”

Basically... WoW represents the core American Values.... And FFXIV represents humanity's kindness and care.

Ion Hazzikostas knows how to live the easy life. You sit on a 6 month old legit complaint to collect a an easy pay check before doing your actual job. For those 6 months, it's easy work of "we'll get to it." Forum replies. So basically, he's got his team to only do work twice a year, every six months. They have the fix their customer base wants but will only release it every 6 months. That's how activision blizzard works.

You know as someone who has played wow for 15 years but hasn't played retail since the first month of shadowlands and has played up to part of shadowbringers but has taken an extended break but does own endwalker, this video has reaffirmed my hatred for ion hazzikostas and my love for yoshi-p.

Yoshi P took a broken POS game and turned it into something really special. Ion took a really special game and turned it into a broken POS.

Its a funny feeling. These videos makes me shake my head while smiling wide.

This is the difference between a story based MMO and a endgame grind focused MMO

Even IF a PR team told Yoshi-P to comment on Asmon's mother, or even IF a PR team told Yoshi-P to do research on the creators to seem more empathetic, it still shows that they care to address those things. To watch and learn, to give their condolences or appreciation. No PR team is forcing them to cry on stream about delaying the game. As we all know as well, the "correct" way of responding to errors and faults is to apologize and give a vague estimation of how things will be fixed. The FFXIV team instead gives detail into their process and massive free game time gifts to compensate for lost time. Ruthless execs and PR people wouldn't dare give such promises and lost money to anyone. But the FFXIV team does, because they know what it's like to be a player. I mean they literally play their game which you would think is a low bar to pass but you'd be surprised that it's not. Love ya Yoshi-P and the team behind FFXIV.

I tried both games but quit shortly after, they weren't my cup of tea but watching this video with the WoW devs and the FXXIV devs I think the WoW players having such a boring representative talking with these streamers/interviewers. The WoW devs look bored out of their mind (maybe they're tired of breastmilk) but they really seem like they don't wanna be there at all.

This is so heartwarming, I love final fantasy.

The comparison with ion and yoshi p asking about zacks mom, id rather compare with the tweets where wow devs openly trash talk him on official accounts

Relationship and charisma died within WoW after Chris Metzen left studio. Hazzikastos (or whatever) have appearence and manierisms of accountant.

That WoW community manager never did his job or what? Never pressing for the proper answer

"For now, it's Demonology's turn to be the worst spec." Yeah, for the like the last 15 years. At least Retribution paladins eventually got a bit of a buff.

6:17 oh, I remember that day 😂

Honestly, I wish you showed the questions asked and played more of the videos from Ion. Seems a little miss leading because I remember some of the clips you played. I love Yoshi P. Even if your upset with WOW, you still need to give them credit where it’s due.