Devil May Cry 4 is Flawed but FUN - DMC4 Review 

Fun fact: The dice in the dice minigame always land on whichever number is on top when you hit it, which probably makes it even worse

The hype is real

Except some of the good things are taken away

@@goncalobaia1574 like?

@@aman541 point about v is kinda subjective. Some people love him much more. Though, personally I enjoyed Nero the most (in the series overall). Idk, maybe it's because I only completed 3 before 4 and only later played 1 and 2... Idk. But I do like Nero more than Dante.

@@junpei6180 gravity

Legit all tht happens Was kinda nice seeing dante flex tho

Dante is literally paid to go and kill the demons. I think. Maybe. I mean, Trish infiltrated the order because they're messing with demon shit and that's how Dante got roped in this time. Dante went along for the ride.

No wonder Dante calls Nero deadweight at the beginning of the next game.

@@pleaserespond3984 Dante is paid to stop The Order for messing with demons and hell gates, as well as taking away the devil arms that us used by The Order to mess with the said hell gates. Yet... Trish who infiltrated The Order actually gave them Sparda which escalated to point that The Saviour being completed when it was supposed not too.. 😅😅😅😅... Why? Maybe for fun on her side? 😅😅🤣🤣

@@viperakmal It's prolly cause Dante still owed her some money

Can't really deny it, you kinda just mash with Vergil and get the job done. Vergil is completely OP and I'm currently the World Récord SpeedRun of Vergil in DMD that clearly is the greatest proof of it.

@@gabowesker9697 cool and is doesn't help vergil is 100x more stronger in devil may cry 5

@@Err0r34 I don't think Vergil is op in 5 tho,i think they balanced him

How 2 vergil Triangle Die

@@guilherme100099 hell on earth and judgement nut end would like to talk to you

Dmc2 basically

Lol

@@kingdomkey2262 Hey Hey. Devil may cry 2 does *NOT* exist.

@@tdpuuhailee8222 devil may cry what

Honestly, yeah. Dante’s fast, agile and can dash/teleport but he’s gonna take his time approaching you to ruin your day. It reminds me of the Castlevania video where Dracula watches Simon just destroying everything in his castle as he gets closer to his tower and starts to panic and pack his shit lol The Pope is on top of the Savior watching Dante take his sweet ass time slaying his demons, destroying the portals before showing up with no chance of escape.

Is there concept art of any of the cut bosses?

@@ge9884 Nope. I searched everywhere. EDIT: Gilgamesh is a boss in dmc5, but that does not seem legit lol.

Gilgamesh feels more like Nightmare from DMC 1 but less annoying.

​@James Chris In 5 it's explained that GIlgamesh is a metal from the underworld's bedrock, and if you fuse it with demon flesh you can get some really durable armor. Not only that, it's also able to create shockwaves, which is what the gauntlets in 4 do. The boss in DMC5 is Gilgamesh fused with roots of the Qliphoth. So yeah, you could make pretty much anything out of it lol

If you look at the Gilgamesh file in 4 it actually already explains it as it does in V, it’s not a retcon or anything

Ah! Yes, The Chad Blitz vs The Virgin Fury.

Honestly as much as people meme about Fury, unlike Blitz there are consistent LOGICAL strategies to deal with him. Double percussion into real impact, parrying with revolver or revolution, using the new and improved royal guard, etc. With Blitz, it feels like you have to bend the game's own rules just to deal with him efficiently.

@@achair7958 the fastest way to deal with blitz in dmd as dante is to press royal guard after every attack to parry the lightning armor damage and then royal release

@@c-sar5395 I know. That's what I meant by "bend the game's own rules just to deal with him efficiently." It's kinda lame and wack and doesn't really feel intended.

@@achair7958 yep

If you want it.... *Plastic chair sound intensifies* Then you'll have to take it....

Vergil in DMC 5 sucks as a boss fight.

@@Saltyaf38 Vergil's bossfight's been dissected and cheesed over time but it's really fun the first time around.

@@Saltyaf38 yeah, it does. that's why u gotta use mods on PC to make it good

Nah, DMD Vergil 3 is still king

It's a shame that 4 has better core gameplay than 5. Luckily, the chest engine fixes that

@@yakuzashibe To be fair, it seems like a lot blew over Hyve Minds head when it comes to this game. I don't blame him for assuming 4's gameplay isn't interesting on surface level.

@@entropy7705 Unless you've seen people play it before, it most likely seems a bit limited

@@yakuzashibe Yeah, I remember feeling it wasn't too expansive until I watched a ChaserTech combat tutorial or 2. Then I realized there was way more than I thought mechanically. (Jump Cancelling, Guard Cancelling, Guard flying, distortion, effective style switching, etc)

@@entropy7705 Can't recommend Chaser enough, his guides are brilliant. 2bepower also made an indepth guide on most of Dante's tech, which is very useful

Pretty much nothing occurred during development. It's all rumors and fan headcanon to create an explanation as to why the game wasn't as good as they wanted it to be. The devs have stated that the project was executed exactly as planned and they're satisfied with the result. They had a limited budget to work with and used their resources in a clever and efficient way. From the perspective of a lot of gamers, it's laziness and recycling, but from the perspective of devs, it was smart game design.

@@sten360 actually it is an unfinished game and 3142 Art Book basically confirms it with the book explaining how Dante's Devil Arms were suppose to be Bosses or how even the story is unfinished as shown in Devil May Cry 4 Novel. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticize it but there's no denying this game is unfinished, Capcom provided Itsuno-San and Team with the same budget as DMC 3 which for a next gen game at that time was already pretty low.

@@h.knight Where did you read the DMC4 Novel?

@@ge9884 here: originaldmc.github.io/DivinityStatue/index.html

@@sten360 there wasn't the problem with budget but the problem with Dante. Itsuno really wanted to keep him only as cameo but Capcom thought otherwise. There is an interview with cutscene producer where they told that they had to force Dante in dmc4

True, but that play was pretty corny and beautiful

The lucifer cutscene is amazing but the play is a masterpiece.

Lol damn .both those are cool tho .i like the one when he was in the theater

The act is S+ tier

God why did you have to point that out now I'm split between the two

Well to heck with posterity. If it means getting a better game that you would be proud to attach your name to, unlike DMC 2, then do it.

Wait, they're actually using the compressed to hell and back PS2 versions of the Nocturne OST in the Remaster? Please tell me you're kidding, because that sounds fucking awful.

@@bucket9486 They've been playing live streams of their release candidates for about a month now, and yeah, they're pretty badly compressed

I actually 100% agree with posterity. If it was a remake then we can change it. That said, Demons Souls is being remade and I’m seeing a lot of mixed thoughts about that. There’s no completely right or completely wrong answer I think

Japanese culture is so different from western culture that it bothers me to hell and back.

Honestly DMC4's story's biggest failing is not effectively explaining Nero's history with Credo, Kyrie, and the Order, it's the biggest reason why a lot of people didn't "get" DMC5's story

Hmm... I don't thinck that they did, my opinion: half of the game is a copy and paste of the first half, but less fun, i did not liked this game at all, and this game was a gift my dad gave me when i was a kid, but even then i hated it, because i was comparing it to dmc 3 and that game it's 3 years older than this one

Same here This game introduced me to the series Yes it was rushed and its flawed And dmc3 and 5 are better But hey it's my third favorite devil may cry game:D

Exactly. I feel embarassed because I picked up dmc4 a few months ago and didn't even know how to use it until I started playing 5 after a while. Then I played 4 again and Nero's gameplay became so satisfying for me.

Dude I didn’t even start exceeding my attacks until like my tenth run of DMC5. Now I can’t not do it.

@Reggielacey 223 did you not see him constantly exceeding in the video?

Ahem *Kbash*

Just pick ez mode and the game does it for you.

i love exceeding that

YOU CAN EXCEED DURING IT?

Neros theme sucks in dmc 5 compared to 4.

@@egocentricblack3278 nah

@@egocentricblack3278 I kinda grew to like Devil Trigger, but fuck, it really is a terrible song ^^"

Really different type of theme

I like the time has come, but it really doesn't stick with me the way Devil Trigger goes. I get it if you don't like that kind of music but the song's a fucking banger my guy

The game should have made that apparent.

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 ummm, it is very apparent if you bothered to play the earlier games cause DMC4 takes place after those games.

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 the game shouldn't explain something irrelevant to the plot. It was part of the plot the the first game. This is after the first game.

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I feel like Yamato being snapped in two is enough of a hint on its own.

Nah, he dies. He legit dies. In DMC 1, which is before this game, h’es kind controlled to work for Mundus, making Dante kill him. That’s why he’s not here and his sword is broken. He’s in hell in between 3 and 1. His death has been confirmed in DMC v.

Wait really? I never knew this

That is interesting. I was always wondering why Nero felt so stiff. Because I know for a fact I always had that exceed charged.

@@BeekoBaggins Yee

@@Schneez Yee

one of the downsides of charged exceed so sometimes it's better to use the normal one

Vergil is my go to solution for him

@@drew1768 Vergil can be a go to solution for the entire game, and we love it

...i like blitz...as Nero >_>

I should clarify i kinda found a cheesey way for Blitz as Nero. Do a lvl3 charge shot to knock of his lightning, and start charging up again. In the meantime, do a ground grab, jump up and air grab him before he lands. Grab him again on the ground, repeat the air grab. Let him go red then release your new charge shot. He dies. Even on DMD. Cant help anyone as Dante though :/

Wrong as FUCK, i love blitz, because i love fast enemies.

Not to mention that items are mostly gone now.

they took a lot of steps back though -moon gravity and easier jump cancelling which makes the mechanic feel a bit more shallow and easy -no reversals or guard flying despite reversals being available in the demo -v being an absolutely terrible gameplay design -not allowing you to play through any mission as any of the characters despite mods allowing it -making nero's arms breakable instead of allowing you to switch between them for more depth it's a fantastic game but still inferior to 4 gameplay wise because of all of these setbacks

@@filipvadas7602 how so?you basically have most of the items in 4 available in 5

@@igorz4582 Filip Vadas was referring to healing items and Holy Water. I agree that DMC4 has a higher skill ceiling, but definitely not a better overall gameplay experience. Not having reversals or the same inertia properties that allowed guard flying is certainly a bummer for the top 1% of DMC players, but the game still has unyielding amounts of depth that is more accessible to newcomers and veterans than ever before. And as much as I miss guard flying, I understand it not being there since it was very likely an accidental quirk of the physics engine in DMC4, like lightning in a bottle, that would be almost impossible to get again when you're building a new game from the ground up with the brand new RE engine. V isn't *terrible* gameplay design. It's basic compared to Dante and Nero and could benefit from more development, but at the end of the day you can still get through levels just fine as him. Not saying you have to like it (I certainly don't), but he plays like a schemer behind the scenes rather than an action hero like Dante. Nero's arms not being switchable is a pretty hot debate, and I definitely would love the ability to freely switch, but think about how that would make 90% of players play in the long run.They'd be encouraged to never use the Break Age mechanic, and I'd argue the depth would actually suffer because then decision making wouldn't be a factor. The obvious right answer would be to switch Breakers almost *every* time rather than choosing between keeping your current Breaker even if it's not ideal for your current situation, taking the risk to charge its Break Age at the risk of losing it if you're hit, or just using Break Away to quickly get to your next Breaker with low risk at the cost of not using your Break Age.

- Enemy design much fairer? It's all just a recycle with some tweak - no puzzle? That's why DMC lost one of it charm, nothing is wrong with the puzzle exept for the badly excuted puzzle.

Yeah ,He basically died in DMC1 after dante defeated him those 2 times and he exploded in the air, and he stayed in the underworld for Many years

@@gabszz but plot hole, we dont even know how he is revived.

@@Hakaishi00 we don't even know how dante always survived after being stabbed and impaled multiple times

@@gabszz dante doesnt have a problem with that because he is a half demon, he got his father blood. Vergil is a total lost, totally killed. That is a different story. DMC5 have a lotttttrrrr of problem with it stories.

@@Hakaishi00 the problem is that we never really saw vergil dying, he just vanished in the air in DMC1, but in DMC5 nico say to nero that dante killed vergil once, we could say the same thing about dante dying, because he got stabbed in the chest 2 times in DMC3 by yamato and then rebellion and he basically died there but he come back to life even after that

Seriously, why doesn't V unlock new summons after each boss?

@@philiphunt-bull5817 idk

@@philiphunt-bull5817 after finding out V was actually Vergil (as if it wasn't obvious), V is pretty much a new skill set for Vergil which was confirmed in his gameplay trailer of DMC5SE where you can use Yamato to turn into V

Am I the only one who liked V's gameplay? Like, he's one of my preferred choices over the other two currently in the game.

V is beginner friendly

Actually Dante can do everything better than Nero in DMC 4 if you master him. I also do the royal guard on the biltz and distorted real impact and is very fun to do

Pandora's Omen completely negs their lightning armour too.

@Omega Zero pretty much. the way i use to describe isnt even about begginer vs veterans, but more about, power and reflex, vs flexibility and control. dante is about maintaining your cool, using the right attack at the right time, and making use of everything at your disposal to counter enemies. nero on the other hand is about powering through enemies, and forcing them to submit, with counters and powerfull attacks that are much more timing sensitive. and then there's vergil which is just an overpowered monster that is all about obliterating everything that gets in his way.

Plus knowing now what we know about his family situation his personality makes more sense

I wouldn't say fun.....more like it makes them slightly more tolerable

True to an extent, but it's also to try to highlight that, despite the fact it was pretty much half finished, it still fundamentally plays like a super polished, "finished" game, even compared to it's contemporaries at the time. Hell, it's still a game to play over a lot of other action titles that simply can't reach the same speed, complexity, or just over all fun factor (barring Bayonetta to an extent and DMC5, of course). To be fair, though, that's more of a highlight on the development team's talent in making something both impressive to look at as it is fun to play.

@Reggielacey 223 Who?

@Reggielacey 223 Your existence is lowering the average IQ in this channel.

DMC 5 doesn't have tbe high level depth of DMC 4.

Tempest Brown BUT, the enemies are worlds better from both an animation and bullshit angle (except for fury’s, I fucking hate them as Nero) and that in turn free’s up the players style from defensive to offensive

@@tempestbrown5033 yeah, but there is a lot of cool moves and the enemies are way more fun to fight in general, my opnion at least

@@tempestbrown5033 it actually does there is only Inertia and distortion missing, therefore u have more weapons Sin DT and devil breakers..

@@darkdestructer Yeah DMC5's weapon and move list is a lot more fleshed out compared to 4 and Nero getting Breakers and added moves like pay line complete them. Half the enemies in 4 suck to fight against and the main thing that's carrying the complexity in 4 IS intertia. The main reason 4 looks more insane on the surface is because Guard Flying allows for DBZ flying movement which combined with Turbo mode allows for some insane looking videos. 5 however if you look into combo videos has a lot more variety in combos and people coming up with a ton more creative plays (donguri discovered a sort of air mustang pseudo flight).

That's what I was thinking. Lol

Dmc4s combat is better imo. Staying in the air in dmc5 is too easy. Also the lack of inertia and reversals hurts the game.

@@tomholt1080 fair enough but personally i think the changes made with new moves and such makes DMC V more complex and have more options. While it does suck inertia is not in the game i understand why its not included

@@wgreenewgreene1022 if they fixed the moon gravity in dmc5 I might agree with you

@@tomholt1080 I didn't like the gravity in DMC 5 too. You can stay in air for ever with a lot of jump cancel. I liked 3 and 4 where you need to have a lot of skill to stay in the air for some time.

Reggielacey 223 that’s his job

@Reggielacey 223 And your IQ is in the single digits.

Nice to know you collected all 333 Dylan Surendranath fragments to get your body back with boosted HP, JUST to come back and tell us how much you liked a joke. Thats determination.

I... really like that idea, actually. Imma keep that as my headcanon now, lol.

I wonder which hand he… “pulls his Devil Trigger” with?

@@DragonWinter36 kyrie

My assumption was cuz they were playing on PC

I appreciate that!

@@HyveMindsGames Take all the time you need, but I don't suppose you're close to done with the 5 review? Again, don't feel pressured to rush, and thank you for the good content, you're a good analyzer

On the path to being a great RU-vidr? I believe it, but what is he going to review after DMC 5? He'll have to think of something, cuz as far as I remember, 5 is the latest one to come out... Hope he finds something, these videos are great, and completely honest

Yep, as soon as you find out that, Nero is exposed for just having CS3 and eventually Buster. I tried being creative with using DT Activation to get a hit in but Dante has it all. You just need to find it, which is why tutorials and practice modes wouldn't hurt.

thelastgogeta the best I could do is calibur above his head and then jc it before the active hit frames came out and Nero gets knocked backed then doing a CS3 which I then cancel the knock back for with jc, it's a good way of closing the distance and looking cool while doing it

Nahh nope

That's the wrongest thing i ever read in years, Devil Trigger is normie pop music with cliche lyrics. Shall Never Surrender on the other hand has at least duality, because it goes booming in the beginning and then transitions into a chill and passionate singing, even Devils Never Cry does that, and DMC5 has NONE of that, no epic/emotional transitions.

Dont buy dmc5 yet as dmc5 special edition comes out in november. You get to play vergil now

Dam Sen You listened to Vergil’s track yet?

Chaika Gaz IIRC you can still get Vergil as DLC in the original, it’s just the special edition comes with all the DLC while in the original you have to buy the DLC separately. This is why the special edition isn’t releasing on PC and is only releasing on PS5 and series X

So, nowadays everyone with romantic interest with women is a simp? I thought simp is a person who lick women boots but still is rejected and ignored.

@@arth8265 Yes, the word is overused and people tend to misuse it. But in this instance we're just making fun of Nero's poorly developed, overwhelming love for Kyrie (to the point of slight cringe), who is a pretty bland, generic damsel in distress.

@@mistman_161 Yeah, it was bland love story. That's not the same as simp syndrome... Soon, people will call Romeo and Juliet as simp story.

@Reggielacey 223 I don't really care about your "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

I did too lol

Secondly, the popes plan. Yes, that was his plan. Flood the town with demons and then save the day. It's a concept called "inventing a problem and selling the solution." Companies do it all the time.

@Reggielacey 223 why not?

It’s funny you say that because it seems that all they achieved was alienating their fans.

What SaberRexZealot said, honestly, compounded with the fact that DmC!Dante (or DiNO, as like to call him) had the douchebag meter jacked up to 11, making him more of an mean-spirited prick that would rather go for straight up insults over jokes and witty banter. There's a difference between making fun of something, and being an outright asshole. That was honestly the other reason why some of us just hated him (among other things)

@@1Synner Another factor is that, compared to Nero and DMC3 Dante, Donte is probably in his 20s. Which means he's prolly a full grown adult yet he acts like that one douchebag in high school while once Nero and Dante reached their 20s they were mature adults while keeping their youthful flair. Hell, Dante can't even pay his bills yet he's more mature than Donte.

@@cillbipher2613 Lol, yeah, that too. If I remember correctly, a lot of people loved to nickname DiNO "hobo Dante" due to that. Though, there is one serious story question I have. If he was crammed inside of a trailer, had no job, and obviously no desire to have a job, how in the living fuck did he manage to still be able to pay for booze, clubs, and prostitutes?

@@cillbipher2613 Dante and Nero are anything but mature adults. Did you forget that Nero threw a massive fit all throughout DMC V just because Dante called him dead weight once? Unfortunately, his whinny behavior returned in Devil May Cry V.

And now DMC V Nero is slightly inspired by DmC Dante. It all comes full circle.

M.A.K. Dynasty Minus the emo. But I guess that’s V 😂.

Don't bother. Theres absolutely nothing worth playing in that game. Its not fun, its just unbelievably boring.

DMC2 is only worth playing if you want to play all the games in order of release, as your first time playing them. That's what I did, and while my few hours playing DMC2 were a boring slog full of complaining, it was honestly worth going through that shit because it made DMC3 *SO* much better in comparison. Basically DMC2 is best played with the intention of jumping into DMC3 very soon after.

@Reggielacey 223 good for you. You have lower standards than most of us

​@@sebastiancintron29theres only one fun moment and it is- I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENG

*just wait until Bury the Light

new dmc music in dmc 5 and dmc reboot is very much downgrade form DMC 1-4 Why isnt there lot more heavy music in 5 why they introduced Techno sht.

And devil trigger in my opinion is very BAD.

No one: Absolutely no one: Not a single soul: This guy: DMC5 music bad, techno sucks, I miss the old “heavy metal.”

Hate to break it to you but the old games had plenty techno influences and were hardly what I’d call “heavy metal.” Subhuman is heavy metal. DMC’s devils never cry, the main theme, the one everyone loves, is a mix of techno and rock. Like I get it you don’t like the new music that’s fine you can have your opinion even if it’s kinda just a bad one, but don’t try to back it up with “facts” you pulled out your ass. Next you’ll say you thought dMc’s story was better than 5

Because I love the unused lore and setting of DMC4, I'll yak about it here for a bit: Fortuna was ruled by Sparda in medieval times as an independent city-state, during which time he founded the Order of the Sword. But he was never in it for the power, so he eventually put the city back in human hands.... and then they proceeded to worship him as a god. By the game's time, the Order is completely entrenched as a local religion, and controls basically every aspect of the citizens' lives. Thing is, modern tech and ease of travel and all that stuff threatens the Order's hold on the island. They banned guns to maintain the populace's dependence on their knights, so Nero had to go and build his own (in a cave!! with a box of scraps!!) because he believes killing demons fast is more important than tradition. So the Church had reasons to be deeply concerned with preserving their relevance. Enter Sanctus. Sanctus is a damn good depiction of a clinical narcissist. He's charismatic, attentive and kind and he seems so deeply passionate about the welfare of those around him. He can convince you that he has the loftiest intentions while being mega suspicious. And he believes his own hype. He wants the populace to love him even more than they do, because he loves them *this* much and that means he totally deserves it. He walks the walk and he talks the talk, but as the game progresses he sheds every little mask until he reveals that he has, quite literally, no beliefs and no convictions other than his own right to do what he's doing; everything he did was for the sake of controlling how people regarded him. The people regarded him as a priest, and he wanted them to regard him as their Savior. To be someone's Savior, you have to Save them. And if there's nothing out there to Save them from, then, well...... you ever hear those news about a nurse or doctor messing with a baby's incubator in order to rush in and sound the alarm and be a big time hospital hero? Crazy mom forcing daughter to pretend she's got 10 different incurable diseases for publicity and sympathy? They call it Munchausen Syndrome. So, you know, convince good people like Credo that opening the gate is part of a great plan for the benefit of humanity, and stride out there to publicly Save everyone from yourself. That was it, that was his plan. I love it. It's people I know, writ large.

@@ElanorPam incredible explanation. thank you.

Nero a demon they kill demons so he has to hide from them so they won't hurt who he cares about which is why he gave two shits about the order of the ssord

I'm not arguing I'm just expanded on what you stated

The story is still poorly written regardless. Perhaps he's confused at how they could possibly screw up such a simple plot premise.

@@m.a.k.dynasty4504 I mean, do they? It's fine. It's not high art, but DMC never is. Besides, he's clearly confused at whats happening in the video, and even asks why the Pope attacks the city when they make it clear.

@@KotoCrash It's still not a strong narrative and has a weak build up and even weaker payoff since the villain in question proves to be no real threat whatsoever. Keep in mind that Devil May Cry 3 previously came out before this one and received great praise for its simple yet effective story.

*DMC