Correction, RPM figures given such as at 8:07 are RPS (revolutions per second). For essentially about 200 RPM vs 160 RPM. We're used to counting frames for RPM on tools in the thousands of rippems in high speed footage!
I was just about to comment and ask. I’ve watched all your ratchet videos and have been confused and bewildered on all of them because of this. But now I know - thank you TTC.
I wonder how the original brushed milwaukee will compare to the other milwaukees. Im sure its not as fast as the high speed, but torque wise. I have the highspeed n im not a big fan because its so damn weak. I know its not meant to break fasteners free, but as you noticed as well, any resistance and its damn near useless. Living in boston, all the rust i see makes it, well...damn near useless lol. Its not bad for installing fastners as long as you have clean threads.
Heads up, Kobalt made a new cordless ratchet. The ones that you guys tested are unavailable now. They have an extended reach version and a normal length version, I'd like to see it tested if you guys dont mind.
With all the 20v Dewalt batteries I have, it's not worth switching to the 12v version with slightly better results. As you stated at the end, just looking for tools that support my battery line.
Exactly. These comparison videos are fun, but I already have DeWalts, around 20 tools and 10 batteries. Not gonna have one random tool of a different brand and battery.
The DeWalt results just further support my opinion that between the red M12 line and the yellow Xtreme line, most advanced DIYer's and professionals that only need light-to-medium duty tools could do most tasks with just 12v stuff. Great tests!
As a mechanic, I can do about 80-90% of my work with an m12 stubby, ratchet, and driver. It's only with truck lug nuts and axle nuts that I use the shop high torque on. Can't wait for milwaukee to update their stuff honestly.
@@nateTrh my 12V Extreme DCF901 impact wrench can take the lug nuts off my Silverado torqued to spec @ 150lb-ft. I have the M18 mid-torque for the hard stuff, but I haven't needed it yet.
I went ahead and bought one of the DeWalt 12v ratchets when they first hit the shelves at my local Lowe's. I figured that the smaller battery footprint would be better in the hand than the 2-ah 20v batteries I have for my compact drill and impact driver. I also don't mind having the 12v cordless screwdriver I bought as well, as that seemed to be the cheapest way to get 2 12v batteries and a charger. It's nice to know that I don't have to feel regret about not waiting for the 20v ratchet.
Thank you for testing the Kobalt and Craftsman. I already own the Kobalt XTR and I'm going to buy the blue box store brand. Thanks again. You guys keep saving money.
A lot of times when Project Farm does a battery tool test my preferred dewalt brand ranks very good. Not always top but always good enough to keep me loyal. I needed a ratchet however but until recently dewalt had none! I was about to go m18. This test makes my decision for me as I have many 12V dewalt batteries because the small 12v drill is awesome! And I like less cost too lol
For me personally, this category of tools is less about torque and more about size. These power tools are competing against hand rachets. I think even rpm speed means less then size. I bought one of these and never used it until I got the milwaukee with the compact battery. Now I use it everyday because it can fit into 90% of the areas my hand rachet does.
I’ve been off the line now (sadly) for over a decade but when I bought my cordless ratchets, access meant more to me then anything else. I would gladly give up torque if it meant a smaller head and overall tool. I can break things loose manually and then use the cordless ratchet to spin it out but if I can’t fit it where I need it to go then it’s useless. Of course 15 years ago there weren’t very many cordless ratchets on the market anyways so my choices were limited regardless.
I've got the weak junky one from husky. I'm blown away by how handy it is. They're amazing, right up until the bolt is stiff the whole way out. Like old locktite or rust
Given the amount of 20 V DeWalt batteries I have, a few seconds in a couple foot pounds isn’t going to sway me to having to buy extra 12 V batteries. That was one of the things I had to consider in the price
Great video! I'd like to see how the new Makita 18v XRW01Z model and the old 12volt RW01Z to see how they stack up against each other and the competition.
Downside to the 12v is I already have a 20v Dewalt system (slowly migrating from Black and Decker 20v), while I find an impact driver great overall, a ratchet seems better suited for automotive tighter space use.
That's the entire point of the Atomic line up. Basically give you the 12v line size but you can continue to use your 20v batteries. Dewalt was getting slammed a few years ago because they have a very large product line using a lot of different batteries. They have been simplifying and overhauling their product line ever since.
I don't care how long you have been wrenching but you aren't going to out pace one of these. Now if you have a newer car and work on it once in a blue moon then who cares. But if you have a lot of motors to work on or bigger jobs that take 10+ hours the little m12 is going to save you a lot of time. If you are a professional you already own one or use a pneumatic because your hearing is already shot and you love the speed.
THANK YOU TTC FOR YOUR TIME TO SHOW US PEOPLE WHAT IS WHAT.. I honestly bet RU-vid takes a good chunk of your life and I personally wanted to say thank you because some of us are not smart enough or rich enough to buy multiple things to figure out which is the cats meow.. You and project farm got my heart
Same here, when you are working on a car you want a tool that you feel confident will have the best chance possible of reaching a fastener without a lot of fuss. Milwaukee is the only brand that has that down pat with their small torpedo style batteries
I have the M12 brushed as well and it is great. I am a Dewalt guy but bought into the M12 brushed line for simple around-the-house stuff. I am very happy with that line and their ratchet is excellent.
The 12v is not very expensive to get into (my opinion). I do like the extra variety in smaller tools that the 12v line opens up. Though the atomic series on 20v seem to catch up.
I'm a diesel tech, and I have the Mac Tools Electric ratchet (created with assistance from Dewalt, uses dewalt 12v batteries), and I can honestly say I don't think theres another ratchet on the market that I would choose over it. The head size, length, and ESPECIALLY the trigger style/control are absolutely perfect for the auto industry in my opinion. I have air ratchets with the "flap" style trigger seen on some of the other examples here and they're terrible to use when you're trying to snake around harnesses/lines/etc because the flap of that trigger hooks onto everything. Obviously everyone's decision will be different based on their preference and what they use it for.. but just a little something for you guys to think on before you pull the trigger (pun intended) on buying one.
@@Lee-lb9qh had the dewalt been at option when I bought mine I probably would’ve went that route.. i love the vertical battery mount. I do love having the Mac one though, our tool truck Stocks both brands but the warranty and rebuild process is easier with anything Mac.
I have both mac and the dewalt 12v 3/8. And the dewalt is hands down more powerful then the mac. Usually with the mac I would have to go in with a ratchet and finish tightening up the nut or bolt, but with the dewalt its got way more torque.
@@bad1971nova how do the head sizes and just general ergonomics compare, having used both of them? They seem pretty similar in this regard just looking at them online but I haven't actually held either of them. I'm invested in the Dewalt 12V line and I'm maybe in the market for a ratchet soon, the Mac definitely isn't cheap but I figure buy once cry once...
I’m buying the Dewalt atomic 20v these comments and other reviews just convinced me plus I have like 4 20v Dewalt batteries so not worth switching when I just fix and flip cars
Ok, is it me or does the Kobalt seem to be top one so far tested? Slower than some, but pretty fast, but cheaper than pretty much every one it was slower than by a considerable margin, and was the only one so far not to need help breaking some of those nuts free and having highest or second highest actual torque, especially with a 4 Ah battery? This surprised me, and makes me happy cause I actually have batteries for that lol.
Speed is king with ratchets. Higher torque is a mixed bag. Mostly bad in my opinion. Anything above about 60 ft lbs is a knuckle buster. I like to finish fasteners off manually. Better feel that way. But that's me doing what I do. Folks who don't work in tight spaces may love the higher torque. Milwaukee just announced high speed extended ratchets. Good stuff! Keep up the great work.
I've had a Posenpro 3/8" the last 4 weeks. It was €60 off Amazon. Wrench & 2 batteries. I charged the batteries the day it arrived - so far it's still on the first battery on the first charge. Today the battery started whinging for more charge - I have used it daily for work not play & love it. Don't fancy changing it for anything "fancier" as it does everything I ask of it & has yet to even once "annoy" me. It's a brilliant tool IMHO and has now moved into "My Fave tool" category alongside my 1/2" Dewalt impact gun I also use daily. Just my 2c.
Can't imagine it would make a difference, but I'd like to see if the DeWalt 20v 1/2" DCF512 is stronger than the 20v 3/8" DCF513 (they have the same specs, but as this test showed specs often mean very little).
I work in the tools department at Lowe's, and let me tell you this is priceless information! I'm a big fan of the DeWalt 12V sub-compact line. Their mechanical impacts are great too, putting out more power than the base 24V Kobalt impacts!
I currently buy most of my tools from Lowes since sears has been gone. I started with the brushless leaf blower weed trimmer combo for 149$ with a 4amp hr and a 2amp hr battery n charger. I followed with a battery operated air pump. Next came the free oscillation tool with the 2 4amp hr battery kit for 129$ with double battery charger. I also bought a kobalt double 5amp hr battery lawnmower. I know ego is a better mower slightly but their battery replacement is like 289$ just by itself. All I can say is stick to the battery platform that you have most of because as a non work professional, the batteries are the most expensive disposable part of the tools. With the experience of working with most power tools, I can attest that the kobalt brand of power tools will exceed the needs of the do it yourself home owners. Seeing kobalt tools tested as not being the worst tools in the market and that they can perform the tasks is another positive selling point as well. I will continue to purchase kobalt tools as long as their warranties, reliability, and costs are very good.
That's my opinion too. And they do work pretty damn well, even under fairly heavy shop use. And the fact I can get a 5 inch angle grinder (tool only) for $10 more than I can get a 4.5" DeWalt tool only grinder, and the exact same price as the DeWalt 11 amp 4.5" corded grinder also makes it a huge plus for me. Not to mention that the pin wrench is stored in the detachable handle, so you aren't likely to misplace it like I was with my first grinder, which was a corded DeWalt
Picked up an Xtreme brushless 12v ratchet and 12v 3/8 impact, with a 3ah & 5ah battery for $155 total from home improvement store. Seemed like quite a good deal that I couldn’t pass up on. Was initially disappointed though when I got home and saw they were 12v and being unfamiliar with the 12v system and not being usable with all my 20v batteries, but after these tests at least I feel quite pleased.
I'm actually happy with where the Craftsman ended up. What more can you ask for with a 35ft/lb $99 ratchet. It's what I have and it's worked just fine. It's taken every bolt out I've used it on. And I use it on seat bolts.
@@chefshadetree3972 So if you recommend it? 😃 I'm thinking of buying it through Amazon, battery and charger included, the truth is Craftsman convinces me
Have 4 Milwaukee Ratchets 1/4, 3/8, 3/8 long, 1/2-fuel all work fine..... but actually like the M12 2467-20 1/4 right angle Impact driver the most. use it with 1/4 drive and 3/8 drive sockets
I know this is an older video, but I'd love to see an update to include the Makita ratchet in the mix. It's speed is almost double Milwaukee with the same torque. As well as having interchangeable 1/4" and 3/8" heads.
And in case I haven't requested this before, I would really like to see impact drivers compared to the hydraulic gear drivers. I seriously use my m12 surge for just about everything any more, it's the perfect balance between noise, size and power. Predominantly I use it for 2.5" #10 wood screws and sheet metal screws. I'm a plumber, so when I'm installing screws to brace something, power means a lot less, because I'm installing 2-6 wood screws at the highest and any number of sheet metal screws.
I use the Milwaukee 3/8 ext at work”automotive”everyday! I like it the only con I have is the finish on the head chips easily. Definitely get the boot for it I wouldn’t mind the regular version the heads are bigger than some but solid unit
For what it’s worth, I have the large 20v atomic 1/2” impact wrench and the small Atomic 3/8” ratchet. They are just wonderful. No regrets. I purchased DeWalt after reading many bad reviews on Milwaukee impact wrench failures. Hope this. Helps.
@@Evanturar Well, I typically use a compact impact for lugs (can consistently run them down to around a quarter turn off needed torque), so sounds like the smaller one is the way to go :)
The Makita cordless ratchet is notoriously missing here. Need one of these to test? I just picked one up and don't mind lending it for testing, if I can get it back.
If they offered more juice, they wouldn't be too bad with the lower capacity batteries for work that isn't as space restricted(maybe chassis & suspension work rather than under hood work?) - except the testing keeps showing us that they don't offer anything over the 12s. I don't blame the manufacturers for offering them, some people just only stick to larger battery platforms and ignore the smaller ones(getting harder and harder to ignore them as new 12s are essentially competing with old 20s, but with a much lower weight & smaller size - they're actually truly useful these days!), so it makes sense for those customers. I'm just glad this channel exists so I know that the 20s don't offer anything over the 12s - I hadn't used a power ratchet(well, only pneumatic), so always just assumed that the 20s would be 'OK' and the 12s would be 'useless'. Good to know that the 12s are actually useful enough to render the 20s pointless lol.
FInallllllllly. I have the 20v craftsman which does the trick. But I want to get the dewalt because i'm mainly behind that battery system. But I do like my Craftsman. You have to know the trick with it. To get the extra 3x the torque out of it.
O'Reilly's Auto parts power torque ratchet and impact they're 12 volt and 20 volt line and they have a 12 volt 3/8 in and then a 20 volt impact wrench half inch looks like just like a Milwaukee
This channel is leading the tool market to make stuff we want..its great..also informs the consumer to not be fooled and get again what we want.thanks ttc
I’m fine with my craftsman, just take care of your tools and use them for what they are intended and you won’t have a problem, if you find that this doesn’t take off what you need, then grab the 3/8 impact gun, if that doesn’t work you got a seized bolt and should use heat and a breaker bar, 1/2” half impact gun may snap your bolt depending on its size but is also the next option
@@novavolks9652 i would recommend it, but at the same time depending on what year vehicle you have id probably take em off by hand cause they could be rusty and make things possibly worse, thats a high rust area, and these are not impact ratchets, most brands do not offer one yet except a small few, they would need to be cracked loose by hand and then this device will spin it off, really it a time saving tool
I managed to get a combo deal from Lowes, the Extreme 12v ratchet and DCF911 20v 1/2 wrench, 2 batteries 1 charger, all for ~$135 , and came with the yelllow bag. The DCF stays in the trunk, zips the lug nutz right off. I do wish the ratchet had 3 speeds, its hard to keep it slow when tightening.
Really hoping to see the SKIL PWRCORE 12V ratchet join the testing charts. It's supposed to be quite good and if love to see how it actually stacks up. Plus, SKIL seems to be overlooked a lot despite making very good products.
Yeah I'd love to see that. It and the Hart are my two most likely purchases in this category because they're my two still-alive battery platforms, though the AC Delco is also tempting.
I think the Skil will score quite well TBH--as you say Skil almost always impresses despite them not having the popularity factor. However no extended reach in their line, unfortunately. @@rpavlik1 The Delco brushless would be nice to see here--it might do well too. Though their extended is not brushless, not variable, and likely going to be worse than the "higher-end", but overall unimpressive, Durofix version they already tested. But if you already have Skil 12V stuff, I'd just go for the Skil.
Skil has a bit of a bad reputation. The eponymous worm gear drive circular saw is legendary, and everything else is regarded as badge engineering, bargain basement crap. I don’t know how much of that is deserved (still, or ever), but that’s the opinion of a lot of people I know.
Just set asside my old Ryobi Ni CAD set. Bought a dewalt atomic set. Definitely can't complain. Much more compact and way more capable. Might still get lithium battery set for the ryobi's as backups. Nice they are backwards compatible.
I love my dewalt 12v 3/8 ratchet. I have the mac 1/4 in so it made sense for me to go with the dewalt. I love it. I have alot of dewalt 20v but I just like the smaller battery on the 12v
Can you test some corded impact wrenches? Seems like they would be a good option for the occasional-use home gamer. No batteries to keep charged if you’re not using it often, maybe more power for your money, etc.
I prefer my Snap on 14.4 rarchets as well as my all of my Milwaukee ratchets I have every Milwaukee ratchets including the Brushed great testing video wanted to get into the dewalt ratchets wasn't sure which though because I normaly always by each anvil size for convenience as a mechanic thanks @Torque Test Channel
Hello again Torque Test Channel Thank you for another Great Video 👍 Have you tested the Harbor Freight versions against Milwaukee and Dewalt etc. I am researching for my next Tool purchase and power tools are on the list. I was looking at the Milwaukee M12 combo kit. Drill, impact wrench and ratchet.
Before I buy any tools I always like to see if Project Farm or this channel has made a video about it. It’s such useful information if you want to get the most out of your money. Don’t mind spending the extra on something as long as I know it’s going to be worth it.
Just picked up the 20V Atomic kit, including the 1.7 Amp/Hr pouch cell battery and charger for $100; it was sitting right next to the 20V Atomic bare tool for $200. They were discontinuing them.
I have a dewalt mechanics kit here in australia and i love it but a weird thing i have noticed is while they share the same part number mine say 18v and yours say 20v. Love the powerstack on my tools they go so much harder than the snap on I used to use.
May I step in and request that you test 90 degree adapters? They are meant for impact drivers (most of them!) And they really shouldn't be compared to ratchets. However, I'd love to see the winner amongst the adapters put through the gauntlet while being powered by a Milwaukee Gen 3.5 impact driver. For science! It would be a mashup for sure.
Welp, a bit sad coming here to look at the Crapsman ratchet and seeing the result, but I definitely grab a breaker or impact before I’d get anywhere close to 100 ft lbs… might still choose it as the free tool with the 4ah/blower kit for $100. I was looking for a deal on a 4ah for the orbital/recip, and figured another blower for the paint booth wouldn’t be a bad addition, and I don’t have a 3/8” short cordless ratchet yet 🤷♂️😂
I’m thinking about this right now trying decide which free tool to get. Which they had put a few more options, but at the end of the day I don’t think you can beat the deal at $98.
I have both 18 v and 12v platforms and have found that the 12 may fall short on total power for big fasteners but on the whole they last as long if not longer, are lighter and more comfortable to use and in most ways just as capable than their big counterparts. When you pair that with the lower cost for tools and batteries you may find them a better choice if you are just getting into buying your own tools. The new 12 v platforms are way better than the 12v of old.
Where is the torque test on the Milwaukee that you ranked at #1? This is my first time at your channel. Am I to assume that the #1 rated Milwaukee only made 29 lb/ft of torque? How can that be better than be better than 78 lb/ft from the Dewalt or 82 lb/ft from the Kobalt? The whole reason to buy one of these is to be able to apply torque in a confined space that would otherwise require a lot of wrenching. No torque = wrenching like a hand tool. Wrenching like a hand tool = no added value.
I'm impressed the Dewalt xtreme 12v is slitley faster then 20v Atomic being slower wow seems like a bonus for the 12v because is 20 dollars cheaper @Torque Test Channel
I got a stupid question for science ! Most 3/4" and 1" impacts have thru holes in the anvil so does this help deliver more torque to the fastener and or reduce the wear on the socket and anvil or is it just for keeping the socket on the impact 50 stories up along with safety reasons?
the 50 storys up in the sky thing. you put a steel pin in there and an o-ring over that to to be 100% shure nobody down there gets knocked out by a bigass socket. wheras the tool itself is secured with a spiral cord to the operator, that is hanging in his harness (or secured by). most professional handtools are available with carabiner hook for the same reason. for ex. knipex.
@@casemodder89 I knew that part but thank you i just wondered if there was any other benefit . I was just curious if it would increase the beans to the bolt or vibrate less being secured to the tool more along those lines of a stupid question . I'm thinking probably not but stranger things have happened.
My 3/8 M12 fuel ratchet acts like the craftsman did with big impact sockets. I don't think they like the extra weight of impact sockets. I use regular chrome sockets since they are lighter. And i don't have any problems with it. To be honest no electric ratchet creates enough torque to warrant impact sockets or extensions. And i dont know if you would consider it cheating or not but you should try a running head start with the fasters start the tool before you put it on the nut. I do this when I use mine and I rarely have to break nuts or bolts lose by hand.
I wish Dewalt had more on their 12v line, I'd happily buy into it then. I just got the equivalent 20v brushless Dewalts instead. Already have like 6 20v batteries, but zero 12v.
Hmm hand help is important to note. I'd see these tool being incredibly useful when you cannot really swing them. Which is why I'd want one. When the range of a full ratchet swing is not available
I have a matco 12 volt MCL1214RA cordless ratchet that I used every day, It is rated at 30 ft lbs, would be nice to see it on the list tested. It has the smallest head and foot print I have ever seen and gets into some really tight areas, I had this ratchet outlast 2 battery's. I actually tore apart a Milwaukee clone and stole the cells out of it to rebuild mine because matco are crazy money.
Have you ever considered testing the Ingersoll Rand 1211MAX Series High Speed Impact Ratchet? I would love to see how a new-ish air ratchet compares to the latest battery-powered ratchets, and where it would place on your chart.
I’d be curious to see a comparison with the non-fuel m12. The head being quite a bit smaller than the fuel version could be more useful than a little extra speed
I already have a bunch of craftsman brushless power tools and like 10 batteries, and the RP 1/2" impact has the exact same motor as last yrs dewalt xp , and is much cheaper, i haven't had a problem with any of them, I have all craftsman Hand tools/mechanics set and all have been good, nothing has broken, or failed.
Excellent tests finally found the data I needed to see it was a coin flip between the 20v Dewalt and the Ryobi HP since I have both platforms but Ryobi geared towards automotive and Dewalt toward finish and framing carpentry. I think I'll be going with the Ryobi HP.
I would love to see the snap on lineup tested. Everyone in my shop is using the snap on ones but there is no chance I’ll spend $500+ on a starter kit when I already have a dewalt ecosystem. Regardless I will be buying the dewalt 12v but I am still interested it a comparison. (Starter kit only includes one ratchet and two 2ah battery’s, $330-450 for just the tool)…
i feel like people forget that 24v kobalt VS the lower voltages tools the higher voltage may not mean more torque but it does resist that resistance more resulting in a cooler tool that "should" last longer and also with a comparable battery the kobalt 24v battery is going to last twice as long with-out charge. meaning altho the Kobalt may not have the fastest gears but overall has the farthest work time. i like the compact design of the millwaukee but the kobalt in my OP is the bettter tool
can i recommend doing bolt sizes M16-M20-M24, using nylocs, i'd love to see that as thats the sizes id use at work. i dont have big enough gaps to put a stubby. im fed up of air cables getting in the way tbh, plus i go to sites where it could be great
Will you be testing the new sealed dewalt ratchets, the DCF500 and DCF510? They have a huge RPM increase compared to these models. I wonder how that will impact the power.
Regarding the head sizes, is there a chance the 20V has less mechanical advantage in the ratchet mechanism? Wonder if that would explain the lack of performance compared to the 12V. I still went with the 20V DeWalt due to battery sharing. I know the 12V uses the same chargers, but so much of my time with cordless tools is along the lines of "Well, my battery is flat and I can't find my spare while it charges, so I'll rob the battery off my flashlight. Uh oh, now I need the flashlight, so I'll go take the one off the impact wrench instead."
idk but i like the ratchet torque weak actually to prevent breaking anything, just break it loose (still with the cordless ratchet) and then drive it out or other way around to tighten
Why didn't you use the rigid impact ratchet I know it's only 55 ft lb but I have it I use it to work on my Ford and my Chevrolet I'm loosens everything on the engine I wonder why you didn't use that one
