DF-21 "Carrier Killer" Missile - Can The US counter the Chinese hypersonic missile? Simulation 

They can’t do nothing. Because in missile warfare, if you holding shield against endless spears, there will be absolutely no shield that can perfectly protect you from all spears. Ages for US being ‘World Police’ is over.

We already have, my question is what will they then do to counter our 72 stealth Submarines 20 of which carry nukes. They have zero response to those threats. Why do you think they havent done shit. Because they know they would lose. Their training is 1/10th of what we have and do. Missile saturation isn't everything, especially when you have no logistical support to reload your supplies.

@@Sajin688they will be no winners, not US or china because US never fight a country like china in term of power during its existence

First of all, the usa knows of every location that can be used to fire those ballistic missiles. those areas and the launchers would be targeted once they are enroute. you know what AEGIS is? THAAD? have you seen chinese made equipment? lmao the us knows we would lose 1-4 carriers. but china would suffer far more. You have no idea what the usa can do, we know how to war. you "people" dont

@@Sajin688 all of what you said, on top of the fact that the west could sanction their populace into famine and leave 500,000+ dead within 6 months easy from starvation.

They are improving extremely fast

Former CNO Admiral John Richardson said, "Never has US carriers been more survivable since, and during, World War II". Maybe he's referring to the massive electric power increase in the Ford-class carriers. It will make these carriers capable of some very "exotic" electronic warfare. And you can't hit what can't you see.

@ksaabli-pj2flNATO here. Unless those missiles can really hit and sink a US aircraft carrier then all of this are just black propaganda again or merely a hear say. I’d like China to try and hit an aircraft carrier plzzz plzz plzzz…. Otherwise your just waiting our time bragging about your so called aircraft carrier killer lol 😂 Your only good at stealing other countries technologies and resources which by the way, has always been a second rate trying hard copy cat. 😂

Think of the mighty Japan during WW2. They are very much capable and advance country during that era. Unfortunately for Japan during that time, they are full of air in their heads that they thought that they can conquer the world. It only took 2 atomic bombs for them to totally surrender. I wonder what would the US do with China? Let China think that they are winning until NATO will drop the sledge hummer on their army. I can’t wait… im so excited China will taste the dose of their own medicine.

​​@@777OutriggerHA HA Carrier already bottom of sea before you say cheese

Chinese technology is mostly based on inferior Russian technology. As we have seen how poorly the Russians have performed in Ukraine China will do even worse if they try to take Taiwan. Look at what the Japanese did to China in WW2. Now imagine of instead of the US helping and saving China. They are on the opposite side with the Japanese? The Chinese have had a terrible time with the Vietnamese and Indians. What do you think the US is going to do? If China’s goes to war on Taiwan it would be its greatest folly and it would end the CCP.

First of all Chinese destroyers would be eliminated if they ventured out into open sea, second Chinese surface to surface missiles are easily avoided. US surface combatant would stay out of range while US submarines and air powers destroys everything of military value along the coast of China. The Chinese surface to surface missiles are worthless against the US. Why would the US every get within range of them?

four 055 destroyers don't have the capacity for 200 yj21

China can't field 200 of those due to the ridiculously high cost.

US fleet will never let a Chinese fleet get within firing range. The aircraft carrier is still king as it still out ranges any surface combatant. These Chinese destroyers might as well be WW2 Battle ships. All surface combatants are just targets for submarines and aircraft. Deliverable range is king. US aircraft carriers have for all practical purposes unlimited range with stealth F-35s, inflight refueling, and LRASM. This is the reason the Chinese Navy would fair even worse than the WW2 Japanese Navy.

Bid difference to target a non-moving target than a moving target. Attacking a moving target will force all DFs to actually lock and track the target making the route partially predictable for Aegis to intercept them. Patriot batteries already showed they can track these missiles easily. We all know all hypersonic missiles need to leave hypersonic speed at the terminal phase. Really hypersonic is all hype but as proven in Ukraine they still no match for an advance air defense system.

@@MKO-USA DF-17 HGV already proven to destroy moving ships with maneuverable warhead. Even your Admiral admit, there is no countermeasures for DF-17. Ukraine war also give us proof that Patriot is so old & not working as intended. Ukraine patriot many got destroyed by Kinzhal, even they shoot almost 30 missiles within minutes. Patriot even cannot shot Iranian cheap kamikaze drone that bombing Saudi Oil refinery 👎

@@Black_loyalist Hahaha! Hahaha! Hahaha! Chinas claims were debunked long time ago. It was tested on a stationary target in the desert then hitting an old PLA ship anchored. Your statement is a lie. None of the Russian hypersonic missiles destroyed a Patriot battery, the debris fell into one one components (not a missile battery) creating minor damaged that was repaired on the spot (satellite pictures proved no impact on the patriot battery). If that was the case you will see Russia keep using them but they stop using them as The score is Patriot 9 - Russia hypersonic crap 0. The Patriot system has 100% shot down rate (tears coming from your face now). The USN is already installing energy weapon systems in its shop that are faster then the speed of hypersonic missiles, hypersonic tech will be useless within the next year. You just got crushed on your lies. Hahaha!

@@MKO-USA Individually speaking, I do not doubt US SAM and tracking capabilities, the US has the capability to intercept a salvo or individual trinklets of DF-21Ds. Realistically speaking, the DF-21Ds cannot be used in swarm tactics, meaning each salvo is highly limited numerically. Undistracted AEGIS system is very capable, and can easily intercept isolated salvos or periodically separated salvos. If you were to consider the potential actual tactical use, I'm sure you would find a much more intriguing scenario. In combined arms warfare, isolated salvos as mentioned before is completely obsolete hence that leads primarily 3 immediate solutions which is 1. the missile is far too far or whatever trajectory and such ensures a high invulerability to potential jamming and interception which is quite limited in effectiveness. 2. Stealth, which I do not need to explain: sea skimming cruise missiles and the LRASM and such. 3. Overwhelming air defense systems through brute force with subsonic cheap missiles and even drones. Combining 1 and 3 or 2 and 3 or even all 3 immiedate solutions at once in a tactical scenario in my opinion is highly realistic and expected in of modern naval warfare. And if used correctly at the right timing can without a doubt overwhelm any air defense system.

@@Black_loyalistyour source is fake lol

It is your scenario that isn’t realistic. China is just as susceptible to a blockade as Taiwan. All imports by sea could immediately be cut off from China. When the lights go off and the famines start China will decide that Taiwan isn’t worth it. China is in an indefensible strategic position, it is what is is and they can’t win a war with the US. Almost all China’s most valuable assets are within easy reach of sea launched missiles. After a couple thousand missiles rain down on everything of any value China will be pretty much open for the taking. This war would be fought in China and that is a war China just can’t win.

hope all US warships will be targeted and get sunk; she has no good reason to be there.

Pardon me, but a blockade scenario is not realistic. A blockade of Taiwan will be impossible to impose. PLAN does not have the ability, militarily, economically, and politically to blockade Taiwan, the chokepoint of Eastern Asia. How will they do so? Blockading the entire strait with missiles is completely infeasible as it is the choke point of Eastern Asia. 90 percent of maritime traffic in Eastern Asia travel through the Strait. The Price of goods will skyrocket so much that countries may as well escort their commercial ships through the blockade area. The sum of the navy of these countries, without America, will pose a very serious threat to PLAN.Plus, the majority of the Chinese shippings will go through the strait, and they will impose more harm on themselves than on Taiwan. What about boarding them one by one to check if they’re going to Taiwan? The PLAN has no enough ships to do so, nor with their coast guards combined.There’s also no guarantee that these ships will not turn to Taiwanese ports as soon as they enter the Taiwanese military sphere of influence. And there’s also the problem of where and when. Remember, a blockade is an act of war, and Taiwanese forces can respond accordingly. Although they do not have the best ships in the world, Taiwan has enough long range shore based Anti Ship missiles to wipe out any PLAN ship getting too close, say, 400 to 600 kilometers. The PLAN will be pushed too far away to blockade effectively. That’s excluding Taiwan’s Air Force and navy, which can put up a really good fight against PLA forces. A blockade also cannot be long, no more than 15 days, or foreign military will interfere when their economy goes down too much. Then there’s Taiwan’s economic importance. With Taiwan not just being the world’s 17th most major export, it also exports the most advanced Chips in the world. If Taiwan is blockaded, the whole world, not just Asia, will be in chaos, and it will be very soon they interfere. And Taiwan also does have the ability to put China on a lockdown. As I mentioned before, Taiwan has a considerable amount of Anti Ship missiles to sink ANY ship coming in range, IF they think it’s a Chinese ship. Taiwan also has long range precise strike missiles capable of evading loose Chinese air defense that can destroy fuel depots, commercial ports, power plant/substations and other infrastructures within 2000 kilometers, effectively throwing the already terrible Chinese economy into chaos. The number 2000 kilometers is a very important number, as it covers major Nuclear power plants, Beijing(1600 ish km) and Three Gorge Dams(1100 ish km). Taiwan may go down, but it will bring China down with it. All in all, a Chinese blockade of Taiwan is impossible to impose and will have great consequences for China.

But at the same time if US cedes Taiwan to china countries like Japan, S Korea, viet nam, the Philippines and Australia would never have anything to do with us again. Plus china would gain control over 1/3 of global shipping lanes and vast resources of oil and gas. It's too late for us to back off now, especially since china just recently redrew their 9 dash line, virtually laying claim to SE Asia.

PS. Comrade. XI's hubris and megalomania is going to destroy your country.

in the first minutes was a tired bias.

If Taiwan ever were to declare separation, that would cross the red line for China. That’s highly improbable, the DPP government first contested for government on Taiwan independence and were badly mauled. They never again brought it up in election campaigns and apart from drifting away from cooperation with China mainland, never set on the path. Most of Taiwanese will not approved for the status and ambiguity to be changed. But if they were to do so, China will probably set up a blockade on Taiwan and establish an exclusion zone around Taiwan. The US will be foolhardy to enter the theatre. The likelihood of China attacking American naval fleets anywhere far from that zone is fanciful.

Yes the Chinese will let the carrier come deep inside A2AD space before attack starts. Any attack will begin with cheap ballistic and cruise missiles to empty the anti-missile stock of the fleet. Then the hypersonic missiles will come not in big salvos but in small bundles like 4 or 5 and in different directions. Why ? Because high orbit sat surveillance informs PLA_RF the result in real time 24/7. From launch to ETA is just minute so they will do the target-launch-watch-adjust loop all day long until they hit. At 30 knots the fleet cannot go far and it cannot replenish anti-air missile stock while on the run.

Why don't you ask your government and the pentagon FROM THEIR MILITARY WARGAME SIMULATIONS what happens to the U.S navy if they decided to mess with the PLA. In almost EVERY SINGLE wargame SCENARIO, the U.S navy was OUTRIGHT DESTROYED or HEAVILY CRIPPLED aka DEFEATED by China. And that's NOT an opinion because it's a FACT. I can show you. So go ahead, why don't you try this OPEN SEASON with us sunny boy. Unlike Korea, the U.S navy THIS TIME is NOT leaving South China Sea.

You are right! should be 23. 18 is also SAR, along with several recent ones.

Lasers good in movies only...

@@mirekslechta7161 Who said anything about lasers? US carriers don't need lasers.

@@777Outrigger USA´s carriers do not need lasers when they "fight" so defencelless country in Africa... However such a ship is dfenceless sitting duck anytime it should fight complex military like Russia´s... Hepersonic Kinzhals would make it quick...

@@mirekslechta7161 You apparently have no idea how complicated it is to try and track a carrier continuously. Getting a weapon on a carrier is a very complex operation and can be disrupted at several points by carrier assets. .... And Patriots have been shooting down Kinzhals in Ukraine. And Patriots are not as good as the Aegis systems on US destroyers and cruisers. I would never have guessed that a Patriot could shoot down a Kinzhal. But if a Patriot can, an SM-6 can do it for sure.

@@777Outrigger The problem is, that you do not realize, that amount of lies we can listen to from Pentagon "news" and from Ukraine "news" has no limits. Therefore we can hear about Patriots shooting down Kinzhals.....

Hi! The current way in which the ASBM is modelled in Command is that it can launch against vessels if given an accurate location at the time of launching. The DF is then launched toward that location with its hypersonic transit time meaning (in theory) the target will still be in the missile's on-board radar acquisition window when it arrives, no mid course guidance needed. I have seen some articles suggest that this is at least one way they intend to operate it (alternatively, an imprecise over-the-horizon radar lock), but theory and practice are very different - even in its current implementation the ASBM is far more effective with an aircraft providing course updates. SM-6 was introduced just after the ships configurations I selected, Arleigh's and Tico's configurations are from around 2010. I'll run it again with more recent tech (SPY-6, SM-6) in the future. I should have specified a scenario date!

@@RedforSimulationsith sm6 as a final layer of defense in the terminal stage, it would have likely reduced the strike to 1 or 0 hits. But great job modeling this.

Hmmm…. Picture 3 U.S. Aircraft Carrier Groups along with a British Queen Elizabeth strike group, now imagine all the other U.S. bases in and around the South China Sea, Guam, Philippines, Japan, Korea, etc. Also keep in mind the U.S. and British Submarines that wouid be there. Does anybody think the Chinese have enough of those ASBM to even knock out half of the U.S./British bases and ships? Let’s say the Chinese took out about a quarter of all U.S./ British Power, than what do you think comes next? Have any of you heard of Rods from God? Yeah those would be raining down from Space and would be taking out a bunch of the Chinese bases along with other U.S. and British Submarines raining down a bunch of Missiles as well.

. US allied with the Philippines negates China's hypersonic missiles advantage. ,,, from the tip of West Philippines sea to the other side point of Philippines sea edge, ,,, China is only approx 250 km away using US-Minuteman Nuke missiles makes very effective in first-strike.

@@thepatriot676 Rods from God? They do not exist. And China has thousands of ant ship missiles in underground tunnels more than enough to destroy every Ship the US has.

Where

waitinh for US to take action first so we can see how it will go

In their dreams. Lol The only think sinking is the China economy. Lmao

No, it's just a big ship killer because it has demonstrated to sink some big ship targets.

The attack and even sinking of a single Carrier Strike Group is not going to lead to the collapse of the world economy. The U.S was just attacked and will quickly mobilize to protect Taiwan and it's allies. You can almost guarantee that U.S submarines will conduct a retaliatory strike against China or at the very least the U.S will apply heavy economic and diplomatic sanctions on China. U.S Marines will quickly land on Taiwan to protect it. Keep in mind, that if China conducted such a strike, it would still take them days to mobilize and organize an invasion force for Taiwan. Don't underestimate the U.S to respond to a surprise attack like the Japanese did in WW2.

What makes you think China would cut off semi-conductor supply after reunification of Taiwan?

@@aburetik4866 Because they don't know how to run the semiconductor fabs in Taiwan and the Taiwanese people aren't going to do it. I work for a semiconductor company and cleanroom work requires a lot of expertise and experience. It is very easy to mess up a semiconductor. Features on a wafer may be only 10 nanometers wide. Doing it right under the best circumstances is very difficult. Plus, processes from fab to fab are different which means if you work for one semiconductor company you can't just pop into another one and start building their parts. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) builds over 90% of the complex chips used in just about everything. This means no washing machines, microwave ovens, laptops, phones, satellites, cars, trains, planes, etc, etc. The World economy would fail.

@@dionysus2006 China has tons of experience in running semiconductor fabs. Its SMIC and TCL are one of world's most advanced fabs, capable of manufacturing upto 7nm chip. China's YMTC is world's first one to roll out 200 plus layer NAND memory chip, and was a premeir supplier for IPhone until US gov banned Apple from using it. You shouldn't assume Taiwanese hate Chinese and will stop working after unification. They are both ethnical Chinese and have very strong cultural bond. Most of them are not politicans. Actually 3 out 23 million total Taiwanese poplution currently work and live in mainland China. The importance of TSMC is way over-exaggerated. Its 5+nm chips are only needed in high end mobile phones that has stringent requirement of space and power consumption. For everything else including washing machines, microwave ovens, statellites, cars, even military weapons do not require advanced chips from TSMC.

The US has a simple defense for Chinese land based missiles. Carriers and surface ships stay out of range and planes and submarines eliminate the missiles. Look what the US did to Iraq’s air defenses and then to its ability to fight back. You people really don’t understand how wars work. Do you think the US is actually going to put it’s surface combatants within range of the Chinese surface to surface missiles before they have all been destroyed?

Command: Modern Operations. It’s a wargaming program available on PC. CMAO is actually the previous version, very similar.

Not with 5000 US navy on board.

Has that concept been proven to work?

@@davidmoss2576 There were serious plans being made up for them. But the costs were too high.

@@retiredcop158 Yeah man sounds like science fiction to me.

@@davidmoss2576 It does but it was a real proposal. These things would have been massive submarines. They were somewhat limited on how many jets they could carry. They were also dual purpose and could carry marines and their amphibious equipment. Pretty amazing concept.

Thanks!

Thanks. Yep, DCS and Command model things in very different ways - you’ll probably get different results even when designing similar scenarios. Command generally offers more accurate radar modelling as it considers RCS from the angle of the radar transmitter, whereas in DCS a jet or object will be equally observable from the front (where stealth shaping is best) and from the rear (where stealth shaping is poor). The actual mechanics and physics of the AEGIS weapons might be better in DCS though.

None of these scenarios are at all realistic except in a surprise attack like Pearl Harbor. How did that work out for the Japanese. If the US was aware of eminent hostilities all US surface combatants would stay out of range of Chinese surface to surface missiles. The US would use submarines and planes to eliminate all the threats. Sink all Chinese surface assets and all military assets within range of the coast. For China this is almost everything. A blockade of all Chinese imports and exports would cripple the Chinese economy in a month and the people would be starving in six months.

Obviously there is little public information about how they work, but its likely using inertial navigation to get to pre-programmed coordinates, and then using its radar once it drops below hypersonic speeds. In truth it probably does not matter if its effective or not, the threat of ballistic missiles has already been enough for the US Navy to completely change its approach to fighting in the area.

The factories producing these hypersonics will work overtime to send a storm of DFs everyday?

@@twohorse123 The factories can work as hard as they want, in the end those factories will be no more! China has its people brainwashed to believe that they are superior in many aspects of Naval warfare; when in reality they are just learning how to swim. The fear that I have is that one day or night, China will take a swing at the wrong country and instantly regret it. They only bully those weaker countries in the South China Sea. God help us all because it’s going to get real nasty! REAL FAST!

@@twohorse123 The factories can work as hard as they want, in the end those factories will be no more! China has its people brainwashed to believe that they are superior in many aspects of Naval warfare; when in reality they are just learning how to swim. The fear that I have is that one day or night, China will take a swing at the wrong country and instantly regret it. They only bully those weaker countries in the South China Sea. God help us all because it’s going to get real nasty! REAL FAST!

Those factories and warehouses that house those missiles will be one of the most important targets for the US, they’ll take them out and any factory producing ammo and missiles. Let’s hope this war never happens….

Add the Chinese only used them on non moving targets, moving targets will require them to lock into a semi-predictable pattern to not miss the target and they have to leave the hypersonic speed at terminal phase to be able to lock the target. Aegis will be able to wipe them easily...the same way a single Patriot battery down 8 Russian hypersonic missiles.

SM-3 is most successful tested interceptor ever in the world.

@@MKO-USA Haha you honestly believe ukrainian propoganda about 8 destroyed khinzals? Even though numerous patriot batterie went boom almost immediately after dumping their entire magazine into the air? You do know khinzals carry decoys right? The fact of the matter is, even today stuff in Kyiv still goes boom from Russian missile attacks and the patriots are unable to stop them reliably.

@@hkfoo3333 Believing Russian fairy tales like you is what is silly. What else you have other than one liner duds? HAHAHA!

Choke

CIWS can at best engage targets within the last mile or two. The missile will travel that distance in under a second. It simply doesn't have the time to put enough mass down range, if at all. CIWS was initially designed to defeat trans sonic and low supersonic threats.

If you Google 'taklamakan desert ships' you can find some decent articles of what they practice on. Basically ship-sized targets on rails

Would it be a threat to a carrier fleet? No. A threat to a carrier? Absolutely.

Missile defense system is useless when dozens of missile simultaneously targeted at you.

and icbm slbm and cruise missles will be on there way to the usa from both china and russia

Maybe he will answer but I would think the reason for it is right here in the comments. He ran the sim and found that a carrier was hit. He put that on you tube and now 90% of the comments will be the fan boys of DCS saying but , but ,but. In addition its an american based site, its in english, so it accounts for the vast majority of viewers. It will answer what looks to be the one major ask, or argument how can a carrier be hit, impossible. So he made the effort to address what was coming... Or at least I think so. While you are correct in your statement this is how I see it.

Perhaps better, who would want to survive that?

most of the world will survive probably 500 to 600 million deaths

true so hope both sides find a way to coexist in peace

good luck living through that nuclear hell. I'd rather sleep forever

Working on it! Been busy but will certainly be out by the end of next week. Looking to post weekly starting September

Energy weapon systems will make hypersonic tech useless, probably the fastest decline of any weapon system designed.

​@@MKO-USAI can't say I agree. They have about 4 seconds to lock onto, fire, track and destroy the missile: a kinetic weapon rather than explosive. I do understand one concept is to disrupt the shock wavefront and hope for the best but one would think the tech that allows it to keep that shock front at plasma temperatures could withstand the higher energy plasma.

@@atarisidequest Lockheed already working on a 500 KW laser, they will continue to keep getting bigger...just imagine one powered by the nuclear reactor of an US Aircraft Carrier. US radar already proved they can track hypersonic missiles and the Patriot battery already proved they can eliminate them at the terminal phase. Aegis is as good if not better than the Patriot system. Where the 4 seconds come from...LOL! Do you think it takes 4 seconds to reach a carrier strike group? That is comical. Mach 10 is 7600 mph, that is ~126 miles per second, it will take 15 to 20 minutes at Mach 10 to reach a carrier strike group....assuming it has the fuel to reach that far. The Kh-47m2 Kinzhal has a range of about 1000 miles (Some people put it more in the 500 miles), Russia puts the Kinzhal at Mach 10 but sources clain is closer to 7 than 10.

​@@MKO-USA Hmmm 500kW doesn't seem enough. I need to do some maths. I work with 1.5-5kW lasers as my day job and it's interesting that a 1.5kW laser with a spot size of 0.28mm (1070nm wavength) takes ~0.5ms to burn a brown mark in ordinary 80GSM copy paper. Granted the absorpsion spectrum of paper isn't exactly optimal for 1070nm, but let's extend that to coatings or internal layers for missiles and you begin to see the issue. The laser is line-of-sight only and the horizon is 14km away. The YJ-21 hugs the surface of the sea meaning they are only able to be engaged at ~14km. Oh and btw your maths is out. The speed of sound is 343m/s so mach 10 is 3.43km/s. 14/3.43 = 4.08 seconds. edit: Just to add some more maths: if you were to somehow make a laser fire a 10mm diameter spot 14km away it would have the equivalent energy density of the afformentioned 1.5kW laser at a power of 1.913MW. IF the spot was 5mm then it's 473kW and I can tell you that there is no way that will do anything significant to a solid projectile.

@@atarisidequest That assumes that the interceptor is not getting sensor data from the E-2's that would literally give the AEGIS system over the horizon capabitlity

Working on it!

This is an ignorant scenario that would just serve to destroy China militarily. The only way Chinese missiles are useful are in a surprise attack. If that occurred the same thing that happened to Japan would happen to China. In a war everyone saw coming US surface assets would never get within range of Chinese surface to surface missiles. The US would eliminate them with submarines and planes. Thousands of stealth cruise missiles would be launched at every militarily valuable asset within a thousand miles of the Chinese coast. China is in an untenable strategic position at least some of their smarter military minds must realize it. They are critically dependent on ocean going imports. No coal, no iron ore, no oil, and the worst no food. This is a war that China can not win. And just like the goose that laid the golden egg. There would be nothing on Taiwan for them to claim even if they could.

Give itva try hey chink.we'll see

Haha thanks for the support. I’m still experimenting to see what works best. I love making the full on simulations but they are a ton of work!

@@RedforSimulations yeah man I understand that lol but these are really dope I look forward to the next

it would be about 10 hours for a strike.....20 hours back to Holman

Ohh yeah, and you think they don't know and prepare about it and how to retaliate.

Yeah and a few hours later, a fleet of Chinese DF-17 & DF - 27 hypersonic missiles will sink an entire American carrier group and wipe out those air bases that the B-2 bombers took off from. Oh and btw, those B-2 bombers will NOT be leaving Chinese air space. Considering how America lost their F-117 (World's first stealth aircraft at that time) to OUTDATED 40 year old Russian Neva Anti Aircraft missiles in Yugoslavia, I HIGHLY suggest you do not fly your B-2 bombers near Chinese air space lest you want to lose them and have them confiscated from you. As if you guys haven't lost 10,000+ aircraft over Vietnam, if you want to test Chinese anti aircraft systems, go fly your B-2s near Chinese right now. Go ahead. And if it ever goes nuclear, please NOTE that Chinese and Russian nukes are aimed at the Caldera of America's Yellowstone Supervolcano. Yeah, we're gonna play this game baby if that's how we gonna play this game. LET'S DO THIS.

the usa would be hit by russian and chinese icbm slbm cruise missles and probaly a dozen north korean icbms and vise versa and we would all be finished

As if us won't get retaliate again..if they can destroy US aircraft carrier from long distance they can bring down b2 bombers easily.

24 hyper sonic ballistic missile couldn't sink 1 US carrier, but you subsonic cruise missile could sink every Chinese ship. what a wonderful assumption. LOL. the US ships must be protected by the Democratic and Freedom Holy Light from your God. and Chinese ships suffered from the authoritarian debuff.

usa including Nato would never able to win against china and Russia combined, it would be the end of europe and usa

@@The_Riddler21 Russia can barely handle Ukraine. At this point, NATO alone could handle Russia with little U.S help. Not to mention a war in the pacific would be a Naval war not a ground war. NATO is mostly a ground war alliance.

Exactly. The U.S was able to detect a Russian invasion force buildup months prior to the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. There is no way China could hide such a large invasion force for Taiwan. The U.S Navy would be on high alert with submarines close to Chinese shores and possibly U.S Marines deployed in Taiwan.

@@FloofyMinari come back to reality little kid, the usa could not win a 23 year old war in afgahnistan against a bunch of mountain people with simple Ak-47 and RPG

Then there’s nothing to be concern about