Hell, at those prices they should just put up a share incentive plan on top of the in-game shop to make it worth your while to spend ridiculous sums on character power.
Just a brief summary: You don't have to play every game until the very very end. Play a game a little bit, get bored, move on to a new game or thing like regular human beings. Frankly, there's a lot out there. Problem solved, zero money spent on Diablo Immortal.
@@VesperAegis That's a very narrow viewpoint that doesn't reflect current gaming. The sole appeal of many games is how they keep growing and evolving over the years.
@@VesperAegis that's a pretty shit argument. that's like telling people "just don't get addicted to heroine" obviously most aren't going to. but then normalize taking heroine what do you think is gonna happen?
I'm not defending Diablo immortal, but people at the other end of the spectrum such as yourself aren't helping gamers either. Let me guess. You don't think any game deserves a single penny from you. All the hours of gaming experience in your entire life should be free of charge to you. No game developer should ever be paid a single dollar. Right? This is the kind of consumer mentality that gave birth to "Free to play" games in the first place. If there is a good game that you've enjoyed for hundreds of hours, of course it's worth $60-$100, maybe even more. You're just cheap or broke and it shows in your mentality. Now you get the kinds of games you deserve. Go play them for "free".
@@user92714 I don't mind paying for games, but you are just absurdly dull to think that a game like Diablo immortal should even exist with such practices, it does nothing but set back the industry
@@user92714 yeah and people like you are assuming thoughts on someone else, even thou what they said has nothing to do with your way of thinking over them.
If you're talking about asmongold and quin, I think what they did was good and bad. The bad, obviously, is giving money to blizzard. The good being that many people will never ever give blizz their money now, realizing what a third-rate, cash grab company they have become that even after spending 10k, you're still not fully decked out. That 10k spent has engraved that into my brain.
"Your death heals party members for 2% of their life" That's probably the most depressing and unintentional (or intentional) "F*ck you, you worthless trash" description of a buff. And the fact that it's on a rare or legendary gear adds more insult.
@@WarbossFraka Dude nobody is debating the fact he has disposable income because he's a loser who gets paid to sit home all day. It's the fact he spends that much on a video game that 90% of people knew would be monetized. He's supporting the system he claims to be against while sucking ad revenue and funds from viewers. These viewers also may go out and do the same thing because some people have no self control. You know what he should of done against this predatory game? Not played it. Not to mention spend hundreds of dollars on it. Just because he collects money and can afford it doesn't mean what he's doing is right. I'm not sure how that concept is lost on so many people these days.
@@Sector9Prime Conversely, by playing it and showing how BS the monetization is, many people would be inclined to NOT play the game, causing a much bigger loss to Blizzard than they would gain from 1 semi-whale shelling out $500. Though I do still think you can do that without actually playing and paying for the game, some people just wanna see how far it goes out of morbid curiosity. So long as they’re encouraging viewers not to as well, I don’t think it’s huge problem imo.
Asmongold had spent $349 on Diablo Immortal already. Let's see what else that money could buy: - Red Dead Redemption 2: $60 - Witcher 3: $30 - Doom Eternal: $40 - Crusader Kings 3: $50 - Ori and the Will of the Wisps: $30 - Cyberpunk 2077: $60 - Hitman 3: $60 - Spelunky 2: $20 That's 8 games that will provide hundreds of hours of fun. If you play more indie games and wait for sales you can easily get 2x, 3x or 4x more games with that amount of money. I honestly don't understand why anyone would waste their money on this crap.
I’ve played it a bit on my iPad, and really haven’t felt the need to buy anything. I just play alone though so maybe there is more of a push when grouping up?
or i can just save my money and download from torrent games like max payne 1 , mafia 1 , dragon age origins , fallout new vegas , kotor 1 , heroes 3 ... and just not waste my money for modern pay2win crap . i am just saying .
Haha this game is so bad and predatory. Absolutely disgusting Blizzard! Noone should support this game! Let me just pump thousands of dollars into it to let Blizzard know how much I dont like this game. Fuck streamers. I didnt think someone could be dumber then Asmongold but here we are.
@@nearlydead7510 watching a streamer spend $100 and make no progress, "agitates" spending from viewers? For this particular game, I feel like it dissuades viewers.
@@pancakekidgaming8273 yes, it does. viewers see him spending money and some will do it too. that is what happens, because they will also treat it like a joke. like it's funny to spend money on a cash grab mobile game. or they just simp for their favourite streamer and want to belong. either way, those streamers talking about the game and playing it and spending tons of money on it like they do, showing this to hundred thousands of viewers, is only benefitting blizzard in the end.
Its blizzard nowadays sadly for us. From long term perspective now to short term results(fast money). ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q0ziBWa8AC0.html
@@probablyilliterate Not L at all. People want the government to make those regulations, the government is even more shameless than those companies. When they start to take what they think is their due, you'll be fucked either way, or even more fucked. This sort of thing is supposed to sort itself out. Everyone has the power to stop it by boycoting those companies and stop buying what they're selling, stop playing their games. Its the only way for the situation to be beneficial to the players.
@@abnnizzy But you can't just stop whales from spending on the game if there's actually 0 limit for how much you can spend on the game. If they weekly donate 1k+ dollars, the game is already a success and they don't have to do shit. Even if it's just simply the whales playing, they still spend on the game like crazy.
They're basically a company that exists to get their hand into your wallet. The games that do get designed under them are not games first monetization later, its the opposite. And I see this with immortal.
I hate all these guys saying "Diablo Immortal is LITERALLY evil! Blizzard should not be doing this!" yet they still spend hundreds of dollars on the game which directly incentivizes Blizzard to keep doing this.
Blizzard would love for nothing more than this game to be not talked about whatsoever. Just completely uncontroversial. The few thousands these guys are spending to demonstrate what a predatory design this game has, is a drop in the bucket to the millions upon millions of dollars that Blizzard is raking in, and the absolute billions per year that the mobile game industry is already making. But what spending that money allows them to do is start up a public controversy similar to what we had with Battlefront 2, which ultimately lead to Belgium and the Netherlands passing bills that outlaw this kind of monetisation. That's also why Diablo Immortal isn't playable in those countries unless you're on a VPN. Asmongold ended up spending like $2200 on Diablo Immortal to show us how fucking ridiculous it is. If that money goes towards making more countries aware of this and passing laws like Belgium and the Netherlands did, that shrinks the exploitable market even further and eventually forces this predatory monetisation out of games entirely.
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The fact they're spending so much money on Diablo Immortal while shitting on the game makes these players look like actual clowns. Imagine being the literal biggest supporters of what you hate without anyone forcing you to do it.
They make back more in their streams and its a good way to show off just how insane the micro transactions are so you don't waste your money since most of these streamers have expendable income
@@CodeeXD They do, but nevertheless, the money will still flow to Blizzard, basically supporting their business plan. And basically 5k+ dollars are not a small amount.
@@hunlepto2239 It is in the long run if it successfully kills profits. The development for the game still costs a fairly hefty amount so it is about figuring out how long it takes for the game to die out. A mark of a good gacha game is longevity and the model for Diablo immortal... doesn't seem to show that. Heavy monetization aside, it doesn't lend itself well to long term sustainability, only short term gain.
1:45 “We really spent a lot of time trying to understand where we went wrong… we spent a lot of time talking to each other” Dude, you KNOW where you went wrong from the infamous first announcement: mobile game, no PC version, and then micro transactions. It really isn’t hard.
The scene from Full Metal Jacket where they hold the guy down and everyone beats him with soap. That's what everyone in Blizzard needs right now. Including the coffee getting 19 year old intern.
You forgot the part where they litterally intentionally trick you with 3 kinds of crests. By hiding one of them. The package and f2p elder crests are bound gems.
@@trial_with_an_error9687 doesn't matter. Just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legally binding. And even when it technically is on the consumer, we in the west have *reasonable expectation* laws. They could very well get class actioned.
@@FeedMeSalt No they couldn't, they're beyond scummy but there's 0 legal grounds for anything. there's nothing legally wrong with what they're doing, it's just shady as fuck. We just need stricter laws on loot boxes and mobile gambling like belgium
seeing asmongold spend hundreds and then reacting to other videos with exaggerated expressions in his thumbnails fills me with the urge to shave all of his skin with a rusty razor blade
"they come with a set of assumptions about what a mobile game can be, and I kinda want to challenge those assumptions." That definitely, DEFINITELY did not work.
Gotta hand it to Blizzard, the only company who can't even beat the success of their own classic games... This game and D4 may just as well be another nail in the coffin.
They went very quickly from "do You guys not have phones" to "do You guys not have credit cards" Blizzard was bad already but this is it. I'm really not looking forward to Diablo 4. It will be a giant pay to win fest for pc.
Yeah it'll be the first Diablo game I haven't bought and beaten but at this point I feel like buying their games and providing them sales is like buying from North Korea. At this point just retire the series, games, and characters I grew up loving. Your terrible company has ruined them.
@@holysparkbatman how 3 killed the story? I was thinking of getting it, is it not worth it? I only played until diablo 2: resurrected and have not played 3 yet.
@@adrieanhopkins9795 3 is a fantastic game as far as just gameplay goes but the story is not that great. I’d recommend playing it but going forward after you beat it you’ll see why 4 is gonna be a hard game to sell based on the story which is half the game when it comes to Diablo. If you just want a arpg get grim dawn it’s better than what blizzard could make now.
it just blew my mind that I have spent 7 minutes of my adult life watching other adult men going through such intense emotions whilst staring into the screen, rearranging pixels and clicking buttons.
Dude, great video editing. When maxing a character cost 100000$ and more, even the game is fun and all, we would be shooting in the foot of all future gamers to support that crap. Next 5 years will be a million to cap a character? Gamers should gives each other heads up about those kind of practices, its not for our interest. More people hear of that crap, the more they should realise just how bad it is for future of gaming.
I mean to max out on runescape in like a month or two would cost you about 15k, and thats just getting skills to 99, getting them to 120 and then 200m max xp would be 8x the cost. Do we play games to just spend money on maxing day 1? There are plenty of ways to max out over time if you just...well idk play the game. (btw ive been playing runescape for years since 2003, and ive still yet to max xp on my main but I still find the game fun even knowing someone out there could spend 100k and finish it before me. And I know I am not the only one with that opinion.
Quon is 10k in for ONE SLOT.. and it is still not maxed :D Id say hes gonna need about half a million dollars, then theres some other stuff too and THEN he can finally start pushing paragon and challenge rifts to be a top player.
I think the killer is that you CANNOT get every item/gem in the game without paying thousands of dollars eventually. So yeah, there is literally no point to install this game.
@@timelostgaming7789 it's not required to spend even $1 in the game to level up fast. There's money making methods and random merching opportunities that can pay for your bonds and for fast skilling. I had multiple accounts for years and I've literally never given a dollar to RuneScape. I would just buy bonds in game and could easily max out i just don't want to spend months doing. Diablo immoral makes it impossible to have this type of progress
The saddest part is that the game underneath all the predatory monetization is actually pretty good. If it was a normal free to play game or even buy to play without the game actively trying to make you feel not welcome after about 40 levels it would be a good game. Nothing revolutionary (besides maybe on the mobile gaming market) but still decent. Now all we get is an unplayable cash-grab and a scary precedent for future free-to-play games.
Exactly how I felt, I had a load of fun (Except the level gaps that felt like unfinished campaign) playing through to 60 and finishing the campaign. Now it feels that I will never really progress, yes I can grind paragon and get good legendaries but I get like 1... ONE Legendary Crest per week or two... thats insane if you count how many thousands of those Quin has already spent with money and never got a 5\5 star gem.. I think he didnt even get a 4\4 star..
Isn't it par for the course as far as mobile games and monetization? I have 0 interest in mobile games, but from what I've seen, they all try to leverage FOMO and addiction as hard as they can.
"the game underneath all the predatory monetization is actually pretty good". Yet this game comes with monetization at its core. Make no mistake, everything "good" about this game has been put there with the intent of making you addicted and wanting to pay. I mean you gotta take the intent as a whole. There is no "other" game underneath. The whole game has been made, by a specific company, with a specific intent. Of course they won't release something that doesn't feel "good" to play.
@@edtazrael Well i prefer lost ark aswell but that’s not really the same genre. Sure it’s the same style but Diablo is not a mmorpg. What are you on about. What is your ilvl?
In an alternate universe, Diablo immortal came out on console without being p2w and became one of the greatest games of all time with a meta score of 99.
think asmon did it as a meme and joke cuz he has a ton of money. so he really didnt care. everyone else who does spend for a serious experience i do agree with you. they are morons. but asmon has so much money its a why not senario.
@@jdogzerosilverblade299 he complains about it all the time, yet spends $$ for "shits and giggles". Literally contradicting himself and adding more fuel to the fire.
Amazing video! I feel you bro… sadly people have already spent thousands of dollars on this which kind of vindicates Blizzard’s decision. This is how games are going to be now in the west (been that way in Asia for a while). It sucks but I think it’s unstoppable.
I saw another video where they call out Quin for spending like 13k on the game. He tends to be a bad gamer, and a bit immoral so I am not surprised he threw his wallet at the game to make up for his deficiencies. He has a lot.
I don't watch twitch or Diablo (I watch SC2), but I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting discounts for advertising the game. Undisclosed sponsorships are illegal in some countries, but crimes are committed every day.
okay so i did some research because people are saying the usual gacha games like FGO, GBF, Genshin (as Forbes wrote) are better than Diablo Immortal. That shocked me because that means Diablo Immortal fucked up elsewhere massively. Here's from a mobile gamer perspective (i played on PC and mobile btw) : 1. Legendary Crests are just like your usual gacha rolls but with extra steps like clearing the rift first. so far it's the usual deal. 2. Battle Pass on top of that, Honkai Impact did this also but not a deal breaker on the surface until you see the battle pass level up purchase, Even Master Duel did not do it like that and IIRC Honkai Impact 3 does not do Battle Pass upgrade purchase either AKA you gotta grind them by playing 3. In-game Store has something that irked me. You saw the +800% Extra Value at 0:09. other items also have this +???% Extra Value, why emphasize this unless the target is to trigger spending with these value numbers 4. Boon of Plenty and Prodigy's Path feels like you have 3 Battle Passes in game. all have paid options 5. The rates to get a 5/5* gem and the others is not shown directly in game, that is a bad sign there from the get go and Blizz did it first with Overwatch and remember they don't want to reveal the rates at all to the point that the chinese players gets a different MTX scheme instead because China mandated that the rates be shown totally 6. The design decision to make players can upgrade 2*/5 gem until 5*/5 gem is clearly aiming for a pay to win scheme here, usually if you get a 3* it stays 3* forever but you can maximize for something like a 3* only squad but this is not that kind of game 7. Farming Eternal Orbs or Legendary Crest is almost impossible when compared to other games where you can hoard your premium currency (like Saint Quartz for FGO) for a rainy day WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY later (read : sudden target banner or limited banner) 8. Hidden caps, as Forbes wrote there are hidden caps like lower exp or a lower drop rate once you get to a certain point per day. Actively hindering your players everyday? wow........ Conclusion : Too many Monetization schemes that is built so deep and game design decisions that supports this type of monetization seems to be the main culprit alongside "Pay to Skip Grind" solution that is offered. No wonder people call Diablo Immortal WAAAAAY worse that the other games, and that is coming from a day 1 player of FGO.
When dumpster fires like these come out you really start to question whether anyone working at these massive companies know what they’re doing, like their genuine competence is unworthy of belief.
"dO yOu gUyS nOt hAvE pHoNes?!?" It's astonishing how disconnected some developers are from their fanbase, let alone the gaming industry as a whole. It doesn't take a genius to understand their demographic is dominantly PC players, and dropping a mobile game is beyond underwhelming for their fans. Even if the game is fucking flawless, mobile games will always be secondary to console and PC. People generally don't like playing games on a tiny touch screen, this is why extra peripherals for phones and emulators are made.
I dont even think its his fault. it all began when Activision took over. It was a slow killing but here we are now. They increased their pressure over time. Like dropplets a lot of veteran developers fled. All thats left is a zombie that looks like blizzard and the fans cant shoot it because they are too sentimental of the good times.
Thing is, people are legit making this game profitable by making it famous, if the internet was reasonable, no one would talk about this game and leave it to rot
Youve got to be kidding me. Did he really spend 7k dollars on this dumpster fire of a cash grab? I could buy a goddamn Omega Aqua Terra with that kind of money bruh.
Those streamers are part of the problem. They don't have to spend a single cent to make the point about this game. Yet they feed blizzard a few k the the viewers are donating etc. That's even more disgusting as spending it by yourself.
I had to look up what an Omega Aqua Terra is. I would say that is just as useless as a purchase. Well, I guess I'd rather steal someone's Omega Aqua Terra than steal someone's phone with a $7k Diablo Immortal purchase, there's that.
@@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal well he is a millionaire and I'm sure he is earning more than he invests. Last time I checked he was around ~380$ spent, I'm sure he earned 10x more streaming. But look, his clips are already used to show how p2w the game is.
@@BreakingBad13 And he is giving blizzard money in the process. Thats what I mean by counterproductive. I just checked, he payed more than 2k on diablo immortal.
@@N3r0ThlHeavyMetal his reasoning is that it won't change anything if he gives money to Blizz or not. It is a drop in the ocean. In the end I'm not defending him or anything, I'm just giving the context of it. He is whaling but he also shits on Blizzard and this monetization all day.
I feel like we (played with my buddies) already got ripped off from our 2 hours of gameplay. Time was more valuable than that $0.99 800% value item they were trying to sell to us. Suffice to say, not only the game has been uninstalled from our PCs, but their launcher as well. Not touching anything made by Blizzard ever again.
I'm absolutely baffled about the fact that some people actually thought this game would be at least decent after the "do you guys not have phones?" disaster.
You know what, I loved Diablo, the first one is still my favorite. Replayed 1 & 2 tons. I know people say the gameplay is good or that its only the microtransactions are ruining a great game... but no, every bit of gameplay i've seen just looks utterly bland and soulless. I think this game is only alive because the microtransactions are so hot to talk about, if not that it would've talk about post game and builds. I see no atmosphere or intruiging maybe even risky shakeup to the hack n slash formula so I look on as people whale on this. I used to think the Butcher's room was the most terrifying and disturbing thing Diablo as a series had to offer.
Agreed. Don't know why so many people say it would be amazing without the microtransactions. It's mostly a worse version of Diablo 3. The fact that it plays well for a phone game doesn't change that.
I'm a long time diablo player (20 years), thousands of hours across all the titles easily and I won't touch this cancer fucking bait and switch even if it free to play or has decent early game. I will not reward this behavior with my time or money.
I only wish people attack Asian games (Japanese & Chinese) like they did Diablo, there would be no P2W anymore, the whole culture of P2W started in mobile (in Asia) then slipped into Consols & PC
Its a way of getting status. Granted its meaningless status, but people who struggle to make headway in real life can find their fake status in a game. Its really fucking sad. I've been thinking about it more and how bad it really is here in the West.
Blizzard once was a high end luxury restaurant, now they become a fast food chain. They think selling junk food is easier and can make more and quick money especially with their luxury brand. That is how they think on this. However, there have been so many other fast food on the market. After several years everyone will associate blizzard with cheap, low quality and they can never make this brand high end again.
imagine having one of the most successful video gaming companies ever to have existed with some of the most loyal fans of any franchise and then driving it straight into the ground with releasing completely ridiculous money-grabbing garbage like diablo immortal. 110k to fully gear up a character lmao. i really wonder how some of these huge ceo's can be so incredibly stupid and greenlight projects and decisions like that. i may do not have the ideas to build such a company up from the ground, but i'm convinced i would have been a better leader and would have made blizzard or any of the other shameless companies of the last decade not only a lot more money, i would also have been able to uphold the admiration they once enjoyed from customers all over the world. and what makes it even worse is that while indie games are great and all, million dollar studios would have so much resources and potential to drive video gaming faster and harder into the future than anyone else. but no, they rather trade technological advancement and unforgettable childhoods for some quick money. and what's even worse is that no matter how often these companies fuck up, people somehow continue to give them money. i really wonder what it actually takes for them to fail at this point. thank god there's studios like hazelight and many others who actually care about video gaming and still create incredibly magical expriences.
The dude who spent 2k on diablo and wants to voice his opinion on how its wrong what blizzard is doing lmfaaao does he not fucking see that hes the reason???
@@danwarb1 Stupid reasoning because a victim of theft didn't ask to have their shit stolen whereas these people willingly go out of their way to play a game they know has scummy monetization and fork over large chunks of cash, they could have avoided playing the game and not contribute to the infectious monetization schemes that these companies wish to put on all video games but instead they contribute to it.
