The FOX crew make their way to Leogang from Fort William and Jordi shares how to do a basic front and rear suspension setup. #ridefox |#foxdialed | @ridefoxbike | #uciworldcup | #leogang | #suspensionsetup
My god man- I consider myself to be at least knowledgeable about this stuff- but you just made this whole process the cleanest and easiest to understand set of steps ever. You are my hero- heading out to the trail to try your tips now! Thank you!
brilliant episode!!! the kind of stuff I wanted to see for long time! maybe could you do like a "part 2 video" where Jordi explains Pro level suspension set-up with no data aquisition system? Like for truly dial bikes for tracks. What bike feedback to look for on the way down the trail so adjustments can be made accordingly to get the most out of the suspension. Also a chapter on rear shocks only. How to set-up & tune them
This is great ! I set up my bike today with this and the advanced Bracketing technique in episode #32 over a set course lap. It made a huge difference and definitely helped me better understand the feeling and effects of Rebound Damping and High and low speed Compression damping. My only suggestion would be to start with Rebound damping - because if it's not right - it's really hard to set anything else up. I also think rebound damping is easier to "feel" for a novice and then it doesn't get in the way of compression damping if you get it right. Thanks again - I am dialed !!
Went back to basics as per video and its ridiculous the difference it's made to my Stumpy. Totally sorted front end of bike, it turns into corners so much better & feels grippier. Rode same trail day before so not imagining it. Main change was adding 15psi to front fork. Went through same process on wife's bike and she's much happier too. So glad I found this!!
Please do more suspension tutorials. I will be picking up my first full suspension bike in a few days and I want to understand everything I can. The more technical the better! With visuals would be awesome too! The fork on my bike is the Fox Performance Rhythm GRIP 2 with 150mm travel.
Man, thank you for this! Better understanding of suspension dialing makes me want to ride and look for the sweet spot. Jordi, you're the man, cheers!! :)
i was waiting that for so looong time ! jordi who explains suspension is always a pleasure to listen ! :D i have already heard jordi say that if you don't change pressure, you don't change rebound but i was missing the information how he setup the rebound. now it's pretty clear ! continue this series it's wonderful !
@@mtbshorts3328 If you are talking about loud cracking sounds, which i hope you are and not real cracks, this is because of the crown stanchion unit. the CSUs on fox forks are notorious for creaking after a few months.
Nicely explained Jordi, you can tell it's your job to help people puzzle over set up! I was wondering, do you always set riders up with a fair amount of compression damping? I think I remember hearing that some riders prefer completely open damping and to run a higher spring rate to keep the bike supported. (Like me, but I'm not at World Cup level obviously) This video has me inspired to fiddle a bit more with my set up and try some compression. Cheers guys!
Awesome video... this is pretty much exactly what we go through on our Level 1 and 2 Instructor Courses... has Jordi done his PMBIA certifications?! Haha.. just kidding. This is a great resource for any rider or coach out there.
Fantastic walk through! I read the manual for my X2 and bracketed my settings, got it dialed in no time! People who struggle with these shocks are not doing a methodical approach to tuning it.
Loving the vids guy’s , and this has to be the best explanation of suspension setup I’ve ever heard, slow methodical explanation, giving me the understanding I need, as I find it a bit of a mystery sometimes, and to be honest I don’t adjust my settings from one ride to the next, but will definitely try it more now. Cheers
This is going to be in my tool kit from now on, most informative suspension setup guide I’ve seen. Thanks Jordi + Crew. My Hightower LT (Fox 36 Elite and DPX2) thanks ya too haha.
I had my suspension set up per Fox recommendations Felt saggy until I hit chunky downhill they that was the best most confident feeling… had to readjust for my climbing trails though
What I would love to know or see is putting that X2 on the Bronson V3. I’ve seen it on people’s bikes. However when I’ve asked both Fox and SC reps about they tell it’s not possible and I would need the DPX2. Ive seen the float X2 on this bike though.
Question: I’m glad to hear Jordi say fork sag 15-20%. Most others seem to suggest 20-25%. However, I find it quite unlikely for Fox’s own suggested pressures to achieve this little sag. Like under 50psi for a 140lb rider. Am I missing something here?
thank you, master! I am an unworthy student! ;) Jokes aside. It happened to me, that I forgot to dial out everything before setting my SAG. That made my suspension feel different, while having "the same amount of SAG" tyre pressure and cockpit height. As Fox counts clicks from the closed position, it is still correct to open (counterclockwise turns on the compression dial) before setting the SAG, correct? Thx Have a good time in Leogang :)
Thanks for the tips. If you setup the sag properly and find a good setting for compression and rebound but then want to stiffen up the suspension a little more for riding a jump line, what is the best course of action?
Hi Jordi and fox team. Thanks for those videos very instructives but one thing I missed. For the sag at this started point how the global setting fork must it be? Full open/full closed or middle range maybe? The rest is all clear for me. Cheers and take care.... Nickl
*Question, why have I gone though 4 36 csus I’m not a particular heavy rider, quite lite one the bike and my headset is never over tightened, just enough but for some reason they last me about 5 moths and then just pure creaking from my fork all the time. Sick video, cheers guys 👍🏼
Not suspension related, but I notice Jordi pulled his phone from a pocket under his shirt. What type of shirt is that, it would be very useful for enduro racing? Great video, I'm hooked on Dialled.
love your series!! thx for the really basic explanation! what i was always wondering is: taking off of a jump or landing from a drop - is this high or lowspeed rebound, high or low speed compression?
Cle Mäns Drops/jump landings are always highspeed (compression/rebound). I would say the same for taking off a jump, but maybe some “dive” from LSC can effect how far the fork moves into its travel on the take off. Rockshox LSC, is different in “feel” to Fox LSC, but functions the same.
Cheers for the set up tutorial. I have a problem with my dpx2 I don’t get the part where you have to cycles it every 50psi. I’m 100 lbs and I have 200+ psi in my dpx2 I don’t know if this is right my sag is a bit much but I can’t seem to get any more air in even tho the max is 350
you have to cycle it to get air in the positive and negative chambers ( both sides of the shock ) as you put air in from zero psi. One helps counteract the other to make the shock function properly. At 100lbs, 200psi seems excessive - I run a different brand of shock, at nearly twice your weight and I use 210psi. RU-vid is your friend. I'm sure there are DPX2 set up videos out there.
Awesome video, could you do an in depth to set up? Also I was running a x2 2018 had it set up well, had the 2019 kit installed (heavy rider 16st reaching pressure limits) .i was told I wouldn't need to change setting is this right as I feel its bit slower, and feel harsh..? Thanks and love this series. 🤙
Generally speaking, what setting changes would you recommend if your front end is sliding more than your rear and/or you want your rear end to slide more?
Thanks for the video! It’s very helpful. I have a question about my fork. What do I want to do if my fork dives too much upon breaking or aggressive cornering? I have a pike so only have low speed compression adjustment.
Surprised by the suggestion for only 15-20% sag on a Fox 36 Grip 2. Quite a few reviews suggest 25-30% sag - which I have found makes the fork work much better (ie. Better small bump sensitivity and use of 95% of travel). I could not imagine being able to use full travel at 15%. Note I run 30% sag, no volume spacers, 16 clicks HSC (ie. fully open), 8 clicks LSC, 5-6 clicks HSR and 7-8 clicks LSR (all clicks from closed).
In dialed ep 12. The big fox dude with accent, not sure his name? Told Minnaar after he said his bike was skipping over the fast stuff and was feeling too quick to adjust HSR not LSR, I thought it would be LSR as did Minnaar because it was at the top of his travel regardless of shaft speed unlike compression and today’s vid confirms Minnaar, myself and Jordy were right! Minnaar could of won if he had me to help get his forks dialed 😂
Nice video! I think I've heard this a few other places, but for the best measurement of sag, should you open all the damping circuits? Do you do that with the World Cup racers, or is sag with whatever damping they are using more important? Thanks!
Damping only effects movement, sag is a static position in this video. Even with heavy damping, static sag should be the same. However, dynamic sag (when you are riding over uneven terrain) is effected by damping. Example: very slow rebound lowers your average sag point/ride height over repeated bumps, but that's another puzzle for later...
Hey jordi@fox, when setting sag on the x2 do i need to fully open the LSC and HSC as one do when setting sag on fork? I m assuming thr rebound wont matter in this. Cheers again..
It doesn't matter when setting sag, but HSC will affect your volume spacer testing, as it will slow down your saftspeed, thus limiting the travel you are going to get
I hear a lot of people slowing down the rear shock rebound speed when hitting big jumps / Dark fest Rampage ect, and just jumping in general , to stop it bucking them - I never here them mention slowing the forks rebound down ? Is there any particular reason for this ? Cheers Great video, well explained 😎
Col Rock100 you don’t want the back rebound sending you nose heavy when it launches you post kicker compression so you lower the rebound. The forks settings for jumping are generally on the pretty stiff side so they don’t bottom out on huge landings such as the ones at Darkfest. So when the fork is stiff, it won’t blow through the travel on the kicker and thus the rebound setting isn’t of huge importance.
Great for info thanks. Just 1 question. When doing basic sag settings. Where should the rebound and compression setting be set to? Fully closed or fully open?
Hey Team Fox, thank you very much for the amazing video, it helped me quite a lot setting up my 36. I got two small questions: 1. When messuring the forks SAG, do you pull apart the lower and upper part of the fork to unfold its full length, or do you leave it as it is? 2. I just got the new 2021 DHX2 and I am wondering if there is a similar video of you guys, but for a coil shock? Stay save guys ! :-)
Ok so lets say a rider loves the way their grip 2 fork feels with the exception of fast techy (rocks and roots) sections because the fork feels harsh or chattery, not smooth essentially. Is a quick fix to close LSC (clockwise) or open LSC (counterclockwise) a couple of clicks?
I can feel quite a lot of difference from changing LSR, when I release my 36 and X2 from under 50 or 40% of travel. Isn’t that the most critical setting for keeping your fork higher in travel when going fast over roots and other bumps? As damping acts relative to speed, in the situation of rebound damping, it depends on spring compression only, right?
another great vid! I have a question, how many times have you pretended to adjusted someones setup as you knew it was correct for them to report back that it felt better? :-)
One thing that I felt was missing was how the suspension should be set when you set your sag. So not everyone knows that all settings should be as open as possible..
Sorry if this ends up being long, but I really need to solve this problem. 19' Bronson, 36 grip 2 Elite fork, 160mm. I'm getting a really harsh kick back through the bars over small bumps. Like a hand gun. If I don't death grip the bars it will literally blow my hands off, even at slower speeds. My set up: 30% sag, 1 token. Reserve carbon wheels, 1 up carbon 35mm bar. 2.5 tire at 21 psi.. It doesn't seem to make any difference how I adjust compression or rebound. Right now, I'm running compression wide open high and low, HS rebound fully slow, LS 5 clicks from slow. I've tried speeding it up and slowing it down and nothing seems to change. I've also noticed I'm only using around 55-60% of travel even on rather big drops or G-outs. With 30% sag and only 1 token, it seems like I should be using more travel. I've run Fox for 15 years and this feels very different from any fork I've ever had. Even though its pretty much new, should I have it rebuilt? Could it be a damper issue or oil? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks so much!
@@laurentp89: It doesn't seem so. In fact, when I push down forcfully to test rebound it seems to get tougher every time, like the air pressure is building up
