Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Al’s Brother discuss the Philadelphia Flyers trading prospect Cutter Gauthier after he didn’t want to be in Philly, the response from the organization and if they handled it the right way.
Not just the Flyers fan base, the whole city. People that never heard of him, heard that he didn't want to come here after saying he was built to play here and they weren't happy with him either lol
Philly is going to great lengths to rebrand the franchise after some miserable years. They preached transparency to their fans and that's what they delivered. If you consider that an attack, then of man, you are a fragile little flower
Guy on the left is so off base. He doesn’t understand how Flyers fans are right now. Ownership and management were doing what the fans needed them to do. Half of our future hope just treated us like dogshit. We needed our top brass to explain this was on Cutter.
completely agree. Every Flyers fan I know was apoplectic when they first heard about this trade. Gauthier JUST won the world juniors MVP, how on earth could they trade this guy away? And for 50 cents on the dollar too? I, as well as so many Flyers fans wanted to know WHY we just made this crazy trade and now I feel like I completely understand. I do not think the Flyers management were attacking his character at all, simply stating that they were being ghosted by Gauthier's camp. They wanted him, and we as fans all wanted him. I deeply appreciate the transparency with the fans, it makes us understand why this crazy trade was made.
As a Philly fan the kid not telling the team why he didn’t want to play here and to have John leclair a U.S. hall of fame player go to talk to him and get a ghosted also .I don’t don’t want to see cutter in a U.S. jersey again..
We are pissed off because he ghosted us literally. Jonesy and DB flew out to the juniors to see where Cutter stood and didn’t even discuss his feelings very unprofessional.
@@Janduin100% agree. Ghosting is getting thrown around but if you forcefully show up expecting someone to meet with you just because you travel that far? No one told you to fly that far. Maybe they should have set up a meeting ahead of time. I also think there is way more than this “ghosting”. There could have been a history between the two sides that is not getting told.
@@2744ducksdman I absolutely agree. It's insane to see how many fans will simp for their organization. Has anyone considered Cutter could have had a good reason to change his mind out of nowhere? Something that had nothing to do with his contract? Maybe that certain thing would impact him negatively if he went public about it? Like everyone is saying, it's weird, so there is definitely another side to the story. I have an idea of what probably is. Just think outside the box a liiiitttle bit.
As a Flyers fan, they HAD to be honest with the fans. Most of the fan base had lost all trust in the organization starting with the Richards/Carter disaster and snowballing up until this new regime. Jonesy and Danny are huge names in this city and they’ve put an emphasis on building back trust with the fans. We all watched Gauthier the last two weeks knowing he’d be here soon. They had to be transparent. The team broadcasters broke the news in the middle of a rivalry game and had the same shocked reaction as the fans. Danny went out of his way to say they tried to protect the kid for months hoping he’d change his mind. He didn’t and had to pull the trigger with the player at peak value. They’d have no credibility with some BS excuse and they know it.
The NHL should make the kids drafted be under contract for 3 years before they can have any chance to go somewhere else. They shouldn't have any choices. Draft capital is very important to teams, and that's like giving away a draft pick, which should NOT be allowed to happen. As far as the Flyers go... No one in the organization said anything bad about the kid. And... the kid should have said I can sit down with you AFTER the tournament. You can just tell your representatives to tell the Flyers, every time they call, that you don't want to play with them. SOMEONE should at least explain why. I understand, Bryan, that you HATE the Flyers... but they didn't do anything wrong.
The Owners had a chance to put that into their contract. Instead they chose to tie money to revenues and get cost certainty. The owners chose paying less in total salaries vs. having security in their "Draft Capital". I don't care one way or the other. He doesn't want to play for Philly. He may have a great reason or no reason. The Flyers had the ability to force him to graduate or to sign with them. They didn't have the guts to do it.
If marner/matthews demanded a trade before they played a game and the leafs traded him for jacob chychrun I promise the leafs would have addressed it similarly. Fans want offense, especially on teams like Philly and Toronto that have been starved of it, trading a promising offensive talent for a defenseman, no matter how good, needs to be explained to keep the fan base sane.
Bryan is talking like Gauthier is a future Hart trophy winner. He will be a great player but not a franchise changing talent. I agree with Jeff, very immature move by Gauthier
There were already some doubts he wanted to play in Philly. He refused to show up to camp this summer. The ownership group has swore complete transparency in what they do and that is why they were open about this. Hilferty, Briere, Jones, and Torts have all been out and open about everything. I personally love it.
@@tylerwfy6 they can’t make him play another college season. They can tell him they don’t think he’s ready for the NHL that’s pretty standard with 18 and 19 year olds. When you refuse to meet with Danny Briere, Keith Jones, Patrick Sharp, and John Leclaire you probably have some other issues.
@@zachweeks299 What's not pretty standard is how dominant this guy was last year and especially this year in college. He is legit just skating right around guys. He did tell Danny Briere that he didn't want to play in Philly anymore, Briere said that in the press conference.
If I was Briere I would see this as a blessing in disguise. The Flyers are a rebuilding team playing better than expected in desperate need of a puck moving right shot D. Now they have one that's only two years older than the prospect they traded away. Total win to me
What do you expect the organisation to do Hayesy? Be all sweetness and light and give the PR excuses of "we wish him well in his future endeavours?" Fuck that! Of course they're going to persuade the guy if he can change his mind - that's what the whole art of negotiation is about! Because they don't know if he's making a rash decision he might regret soon after and just try. Whoever brought Kevin Hayes into it was out of order - leave that shit well alone but everything else? I'd rather see this passion from the team than some cookie cutter PR bullshit. First and foremost, the least any team/organisation can do is have some level of transparency to the fans. Doesn't have to be 100% but also it shows they're fans and that they care and hell even if it's made for TV like so many other things, at least it can give the impression. The kid made his bed with his behaviour so let him enjoy life in Anaheim.
Well... good on the Flyers keeping this under the radar before making the move. We saw how the DeBrincat saga in Ottawa went where everybody knew he wanted out, which resulted in the Sens getting thier hand forced as all signs pointed he wanted to go to Detroit.
They Flyers are right here. He didn't want to play here and didn't have enough guts to give them an explanation. We don't need that and they literally said they knew this for almost a year and didn't say anything to protect him. This is what's wrong with the younger generation they think they can do whatever they want and not have to answer for it.
I know a guy from an older generation that did the very same thing. Now what was his name...? Eric... hmmmm....starts with an L.... help me out here....
@MOTU_CTR hmm not really...Lindros told Quebec he wouldn't play for them before he was even drafted. He didn't tell the team he was born to play for them and then decide he doesn't want to and just go silent.
@robertralston6463 tomato / tomahto. Each kid, before ever setting foot on an NHL rink, decided they were too high and mighty for a certain NHL team. Most other guys are just happy to be in the NHL. Arguing about when the player threw their tantrum is insignificant. Funny how all the Flyer fans are clinging to that same narrative though.
@MOTU_CTR I'm not complaining we got potential #1-#2 rhd and a 2nd rd pick for someone who didn't even want to be here. But the kids is completely wrong he screwed the Flyers there's no denying that.
Did the host really think the Flyers shouldnt be pissed? He's 19 and never played in the league and not only wouldnt he sign with them, he wouldnt even talk to them. That isnt immature that is the actions of an entitled punk with no character or values.
The CEO would absolutory come out and talkto the fans if the Leafs traded away their franchise face piece. I guess thats Matthews for the leafs right or marner? either one is getting him infront of a podium. Just because he wasn't hear yet didn't diminish the value he had in house.
He wanted to turn pro this season and Flyers refused to sign him ? He's an impact player and the team wasn't interested. at that point he did not participate in their development camp in the summer and ghosted them at the junior's tournament.
Has nothing to do with being embarrassed etc this team promised there fans they would be 100% transparent witch they have been they wanted everyone to know what happened on there part snd why
Yeah Philly handled it correctly. No one in Philly knew he didn’t want to play here until the trade. They protected him and only answered questions media asked- Welcome to Broad Street Jamie! NJ beaches are better than California anyway
Kid should’ve met with Danny. Period. Entitled kid. Man he better be as good as he thinks he is and what did you expect the organization to do, they’re in a rebuild and trying to be transparent to the Philly media and fan base. More importantly, that was a 5th round pick that the fan base has been waiting for years and you just ghost the team? Weak
As a lifelong Flyers fan, the Flyers brass had to give the fans an explanation why they traded our #2 prospect. You have to understand, Comcast cleaned house this summer as CEO Scott resigned, VP Camillo resigned and GM Fletcher was fired. The team won 1 playoff round in the past decade, as they were a punchline compared to the Phillies, Eagles and Sixers. They had the lowest overall attendance last year since 1971-72 season. The organization hit rock bottom last year. That’s why the Flyers brass all came out last night as this is the biggest trade since they traded Carter/Richards in 2011. In saying all that, I think Gauthier wanted out because he and Flyers had philosophical differences. He wanted to play Center, and Briere looked at him as a winger. He wanted to play for the Flyers last spring and they opted for him to play another year in College. He wants to get paid and Flyers didn’t want to start his rookie contract at the beginning of the rebuild. I think Briere miscalculated and should have obliged and signed him last year. You don’t want to play a game of chicken with NCAA players cause they actually have some leverage.
Flyers now have what they needed most with or without Cutter Gauthier: a legit RH 1D who can run the PP. Plus a high 2nd round pick. Bravo, Danny and Jonesey.
Hard disagree on the take about Flyers management handling this poorly. As a Flyers fan, we've put up with non answers from the organization since Mr. Snider died. They promised honesty and they gave honesty, they said from the start that would come from the CEO down to Danny B. Kid didn't want to be a Flyer, and now he's not going to be one. I have no issues with what they said.
Bryan is just dribbling shit this entire segment, at least Odogg has the mind and ability to breakdown properly what actually occurred and how Cutter should've handled the whole situation.
You are only looking at this from a national point of view. Look at this locally. They are trying to win back fans trust after years of awful ownership and management. They are advertising this kid as the 1-2 punch with michkov, then out of no where they trade him. They would have gotten eviscerated if they didn’t explain why. If it was some random player like Denver barkey or bonk, no one would bat an eye, but one of the top 2 players that have been advertised as much as they have, the fans deserve an explanation.
Funny to me that people want to blast the media for the Hayes stuff, but say nothing about the fact that it was 2 former players that said Hayes had something to do with it. before the media even mentioned it. Great reporting.
I feel like there is nothing wrong with a player telling a team not to draft them. It’s completely different however if the player says I’m built to be here etc. then proceeds to ghost the whole organization. Briere did the best he possibly could.
The agent and kid needed to speak. Ducks won on this deal. They new since last May and he did not report to rookie training camp. I believe the ELC last Spring was the issue for Cutter.
Uhh, I don't think you know Kevin Hayes. The flyers could not wait to all but give him away. Wanted him out of that locker room ASAP! And he's close with Gauthier. This is not far-fetched. The Flyers handled this perfectly!
Yes, it is far-fetched...and nonsensical. Hayes likes playing in Philly; he just didn't think he fit in the Flyers system anymore, the way they were going. There's zero evidence that Hayes has anything to do with this (just in people's minds).
I believe if you refuse to play for the that drafted you you should be assigned a special status that delays your rfa status by three years and limits your elc value so it maxes out paying minimal money.
The guy didn't do anything wrong. He didn't want to sign a contract with the Flyers. THEY had the ability to force him to wait until his class graduated before he could become a free agent for an Entry level contract. The Flyers didn't have the guts to play the game iof Kitchen and make the kid wait two more seasons in which he could have suffered an injury. So he had to give up something as well. The Flyers wussed out.
I don’t think the timing was good a year ago..Fletcher was out of GM job on Mar 10..Brieres son had the unfortunate moment of pushing a disabled women’s wheelchair down a flight of stairs the next day..Danny Briere becomes interim GM and not long after Gauthier apparently inquired about his status with Flyers and is told he is best continuing his development in college..Flyers at that point somewhere in between disappointing seasons and embarking on a rebuild. Perhaps the young player Gauthier didn’t process things well in that time frame. All seems unfortunate.
I don't understand why this one guy said the Flyers front office trashed this kid, they didn't. They absolutely told the truth. It's their right to defend the organization. People seem to forget that Daniel Briere and Kieth Jones weren't running the front office until around March of 2023. Chuck Fletcher was the GM who was the one responsible for drafting Cutter Gauthier in July of 2022's NHL Entry Draft. He was fired on March 10th of 2023. So what was or wasn't said to Fletcher prior to the Flyers drafting Cutter by the Gauthier camp who knows? Maybe that's a question better left for the folks in the hockey media to ask Chuck Fletcher and not Danny Briere, who at the time was named Special Assistant to the General Manager part way through the 2021-2022 season after being VP of the day to day hockey operations for the Flyers ECHL Maine Mariners since the 2017-2018 season. That's where these questions should go to, the former GM.
A stud until he’s not. Zero guarantee. Not a big Torts fan but he’s 100%. Right here. Also who name’s their kid Cutter? Tells you what you need to know about the kid’s parents. In the kid’s defence I would want to concentrate on the tournament not meeting with an NHL team’s GM or whomever. Flyer’s should have some boundaries here.
Unfortunately this is how many kids today handle things today, instead of dealing with a situation by being upfront and honest they just ghost it and hope it goes away.. absolutely no class..
Bryan Hayes your take is ridiculous! Philly from top to bottom handled it exactly as they should've. They tried to protect Quitter Gauthier! But ghosting someone let alone the entire organization and all these amazing players that now run the organization is extremely immature and disrespectful. It's one thing to change your mind and say I don't want to play here. But he owes the club an explanation! Beyond that if you say you are born to be a flyer & then you go to the extreme and refuse to not only play for club but ghosting them? Absolutely ridiculous!
They need to change the rules for college draft picks. Their rights should belong to the team until the player reached aged 27 or 8 years whichever comes first
Why are you leaving out the fact that Cutter is still in college while he was probably too good for college *last* year? Obviously Philly pissed him off by making him go back to college for another year
Drysdale is no where close to an acceptable 2nd prize in the Gauthier story. He’s little, been (shoulder) hurt before and got (shoulder) hurt for the Flyers already. His size AND injury history are WAY bigger than his skating ability and hockey sense. It’s simple - The Flyers knee-jerk reacted here and the fans are paying. Again!
What goes around comes around! Flyers management look like goons! Clearly Cutter knew Philly management were bad and he made the right choice, not to play in toxic work environment
Never seen the show before. The guy on the left has some kind of bias against the Flyers. Don’t know what it is, but it jumps off the screen plain as day.
funny how when cutter does it he is a bad character piece of crap but when mitchkov does it its ok and he is a special player. whatever. they are kids and its their choice. flyers seem like sour grapes. you should have played the kid last year and then you wouldnt be here.
I prefer they just tell a team "Hey don't draft me." I would feel better about that than this crap. And leave Kevin Hayes out of this, I actually thought that could be correct, and I regret it a lot.
I think you guys are missing a big factor. He wanted to turn pro and sign a contract last year and Philly refused because they would have incurred a cap penalty for the ‘23-24 season if he hit his bonuses. So he lost out on hundreds of thousands of dollars and the ability to join the club and start his career. I’m not condoning the behavior of standing them up and refusing to speak, but for everyone involved (especially Philadelphia management who are intimately familiar with the situation) to claim to have no idea why he changed his mind between his draft day and the falling out is disingenuous.
There is no rule that says you have to talk to anyone you don’t want to at any point in your life. It’s called having personal autonomy. Something corporations and apparently these lame Gen Xers despise. Just because you chose to live your life beholden to your employer, doesn’t mean other people have to. Dude already told them he didn’t want to sign with them. Doesn’t owe them a single second of his time or word out of his mouth.
Just like the Ohtani speculation where the panel was way off... we don't know all the facts so everyone pump the brakes on the bashing. For all we know the Flyers kept bugging the kid over and over like a disgruntled boyfriend who got dumped and wont take no for an answer. Maybe the kid was sick of it and already knew what he wanted and didn't want to waste more energy and time on it...we will never know so move on The kid took the high road and I hope he does great in Anaheim !!!
They traded away one of their top prospects they had to say the reason why. Just saying they like drydale better would lose the fan baee again. Fans were very high on him.
He had a great NCAA season and demanded Florida put him straight into the NHL and they said no and traded him to the Leafs who were willing to play him on their bottom 6. The rest is history.
I really disagree . I’m a Flyers fan and respect Cutter decision. He has been ignoring and refusing to meet team reps since late summer at BC. The team has talked of Cutter and Their top Russian pick since last year draft.
Give me a break that briere, etc. acted incorrectly. Most other gms would do the same thing to explain to your fan base why this prospect is not coming here. They tried to change the kids mind and he didn’t want it so f*** him. If this happened to your team, bet the same stuff would be occur. Not mgmts. fault.
Guy on the left sucks so bad. These guys have no clue, o dog is the only one with some sort of logic. This is not a Lindros situation, not even close. Cutter just seems like an immature, soft and entitled brat. The past year is just proof of his character. Props to the flyers on this whole situation.
