Especially since the Monsterverse is like, a project that Toho co-develops with Legendary. They’re not hands off with that series like many people seem to think.
While Toho is trying to retrace Godzilla to his routes as a being of destruction, Legendary Studios can have Godzilla be the anti-hero/ hero we cheer for
How can we claim one movie destroyed another when one of them hasn’t even been released yet? I think we should be grateful that we are getting Japanese Godzilla films and an American Godzilla cinematic universe at the same time.
Because its a trend. Think please for once. Weve had the same formula for like 3 movies. Humans suck, monster fights cool. Bad story. Gxk will be no different.
@@haramberoth117my guy, what are you pleading for? How up your own ass are you that you can't enjoy what the fans of Godzilla have been getting? Comparing Toho and Legendary is just apples and oranges. Be miserable if you want, I, along with others with a brain will be enjoying it all.
Because the Monsterverse started out seriously. There is a reason why Godzilla 2014 and Skull Island grossed higher than KotM and GvK. 😂 There is also a reason why Minus One has a higher cinema scare than all of the MV entries. *EDIT* : Do you guys really want MV to be like the quipfest goofy MCU 2.0? because I do not man. I quipped out lmao
Because mv fans are starting to push people out of the fandom if they have criticisms or say they like one take better than the other. Twitter is a war zone over these two movies
@@Wolf_Dominic it's not that hard, it's just people lean more to the serious Godzilla due to us having tons and tons of movies that have comedic tones. And for some people they want more serious movies that they can gratitude characters that they can like and generally enjoy watching so that's why a big Porsche of the fan base leans more to minus one while the other half leans towards the monsterverse stuff
I kinda hate how Minus One made people think they’re too good for a goofy version of Godzilla. It’s like the difference between the Showa Era and Hesei Era. One is silly and the other is serious. Both are good.
I'm actually even more excited for GxK after seeing Minus One because you can't do a serious Godzilla movie better than that. It was truly a cinematic masterpiece so now I have no issue with Legendary going all in on the ridiculous Showa style big dumb fun. IF Toho was not making serious Godzilla films like Shin and Minus One then I would be more critical as I would want the Monsterverse to retain a more 2014 style of tone.
Yeah I like that they can both coexist . The legendary movies especially gxk have tickled the part of me that likes the silly moments in the old ones , but minus one totally hits a different part of godzilla that I also love
I really do hate people who try to compare the monsterverse to showa... it is not the same case at all. In many of the showa movies, the human characters are still entertaining. In the monsterverse, not quite as much. So it's not an excuse for them to be super lazy with writing, it can still be fun, but why can't the humans also be fun?
Fr, I personally like darker Godzilla movies, but I also love sillier Godzilla movies and I think people should stop arguing and enjoying both versions of Godzilla
I like serious and dark Godzilla movies. I also like ridiculous and funny Godzilla movies. I see _Minus One_ and _The New Empire_ coming out around the same time as an absolute win.
Minus One is the best or second best Godzilla film of all time. No doubt. It was a triumph of storytelling and deserves all of the acclaim that it has and will have had received. Monarch: Legacy of Monsters is a good pallette cleanser to revisit a tone similar to Godzilla 2014. I have thoroughly enjoyed the show and cannot wait for the next episode. I champion the fact that Godzilla X Kong: The New Empire will continue the whimsy personality of the Showa films with state-of-the-art visual effects. I forgive it for being easily accessible, because my inner five-year-old self will be enjoying every moment of escaping my 34 year old, semi-cynical reality for two hours. I want the ridiculous monster action.
I felt Godzilla vs Kong was more of a second Kong movie and Godzilla just happened to be more of a special guess. For me king of the monsters is still the top one.
My only problem with Monarch (so far) is they still haven't connected it to KotM. They finally did connect it to GvsK though which was good. But that came out after KotM so they still need to connect to KotM like those eco terrorists and how they found King Ghidorah and Mothra
To be fair, Godzilla versus movies and Godzilla solo movies are too completely different beasts. With a versus movie, you have to tell a human story, set up Godzilla's presence, set up the other monster, and set up Godzilla's rivalry with it. This usually leaves you with little time to flesh out any characters that well, especially in a huge ensemble cast. When you think about it, these movies are quite strange and unique. Your hero and villain don't talk and are on a scale that the human characters can barely impact. The Monsterverse focusing more on Kong and allowing him to have more personality and emotion is a smart move since we can invest more in one of the monsters as a character, but like you said, the trade off is he's barely a monster any more. I don't want to say that solo movies like Minus One have is easy or anything. Crafting such a good story and characters is hard either way, but Godzilla doesn't have to do anything in those movies but be the nature side of man vs. nature. He's the shark in jaws. Once you've established his threat, the rest of the movie can be dedicated to crafting your characters and their physical and emotional reaction to Godzilla. Imagine if in Jaws, half the movie had to be spent establishing a giant octopus that was also terrorizing the area which the shark would then fight in the end. I'm not saying it's impossible for a versus movie to have a great story and great characters, I'm just pointing out the more plates you have to spin, the harder it is. I do hope that Godzilla x Kong surprises and has more going for it than just crazy monster action. But the vibe does seem to be that they gave up on any pretense of anything serious or deep.
It's possible to do both you would just have to make the movie longer like King Kong 2005. In that movie they had time to do hours of human drama a ton of dinosaur/creature action scenes plus King Kong vs humanity at the end.
@@budgiecat9039 At the time, it was labelled and seen as a horror movie. Times and attitudes in general have changed drastically since then, and Kong's now regarded more as a heroic giant rather than a monster.
@@TeesterX I would say monster movie not horror movie. It's not like Peter Jackson's King Kong movie or the 70's King Kong movie with Jeff Bridges were any different from og Kong or Kong Skull Island
I have to blame the critics over the years for what the monsterverse has become. Godzilla 2014 didnt really get alot positive reviews from critics which affected the direction monsterverse took.
It’s what the fans wanted. KOTM flopped and almost killed the monsterverse. GvK saved it, and look at the hype GxK has generated. Yeah, some people are hating on it but the monsterverse is bigger than ever bc of the direction they took.
@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oyYou left out Monarch which is getting a lot of praise but it doesn't share the same goofier tone of GvK and GxK even though it's trying to be the glue to tie all the movies together somehow
@@budgiecat9039 And what’s the main thing people complain about that show? Outside of the “gay propaganda” from the one episode where we find out Kate is gay. People have been complaining about not enough monster action. Bc no matter what, majority of fans are interested in the monsterverse bc of the fight scenes and other monster scenes. Not the serious tone and great story telling. Not to say it doesn’t matter. But I completely understand why the monsterverse tone changed.
@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy Oh yeah the gay stuff at the middle school flashback was pretty shoehorned (though it kinda made me lol cause Godzilla was like 'eff them gay kids' then by the bridge 😂 ). I mean hey...it is San Francisco though Also something struck me as odd about the name of that middle school. Girard Middle School but I looked up the name at the time wondering why they named it that and it was some old philosopher René Noël Théophile Girard December 1923 - 4 November 2015) who was a French polymath, historian, literary critic, and philosopher of social science whose work belonged to the tradition of philosophical anthropology. Girard was the author of nearly thirty books, with his writings spanning many academic domains. Girard's main contribution to philosophy, and in turn to other disciplines, was in the psychology of desire in the form of mimetic theory. claimed that human desire functions imitatively, or mimetically, rather than arising as the spontaneous byproduct of human individuality. The second major proposition of the mimetic theory proceeds from considering the consequences of the mimetic nature of desire as it relates to human origins and anthropology. The mimetic nature of desire allows for the anthropological success of human beings through social learning, but is also laden with potential for violent escalation. If the subject desires an object simply because another subject desires it, then their desires are bound to converge on the same objects. If these objects cannot be easily shared (food, mates, territory, prestige and status, etc.), then the subjects are bound to come into mimetically intensifying conflict over these objects. The simplest solution to this problem of violence for early human communities was to polarize blame and hostility onto one member of the group who would be killed and interpreted as the source of conflict and hostility within the group. The transition from the violent conflict of all-against-all would be transformed into the unifying and pacifying violence of all-except-one whose death would reconcile the community together. The victim who was persecuted as the source of disorder would then become venerated as the source of order and meaning for the community and seen as a god. Very interesting foreshadowing to Kate's backstory in terms of her desires and guilt and Godzilla and the coexistence and balance of humans and monsters overall I guess. Monarch from the jump certainly was never promised to be about monster action but more to focus on the humans, the company known as Monarch and all it's mysteries and bridge the movies together more.
It doesn't matter for me. I am excited for GxK as I loved Minus one. Godzilla has been my childhood. I still supported Godzilla and the Monsterverse. For the haters of Monsterverse, Toho has a hand and partnership dealing with the MonsterVerse - and considers the MonsterVerse Godzilla to be its global Godzilla, they see it with as much value as their domestic Godzilla. To Toho there are no choosing of sides with this, there are no rivalries, Toho has an IP making money for them in both Japan and worldwide, they are getting money either way. I have a fanboyism for Godzilla. I want Godzilla Kong to reach 1 billion in the box office.
Not even close to killing. This is Shin all over again when some people said it dug the monsterverse's grave. This just gives us two different styles of film, and that's good for everyone.
Been watching Godzilla movies since 1974. Minus One is an absolute masterpiece. Godzilla x Kong looks ridiculous. Like a Saturday morning cartoon from the 70's. I'm still going to see it once. I've seen Minus One 5 times. Keep up the good work Dman
Totally agree, to me it comes across as very childish. More like 1970s kiddie matinee stuff. Style wise it also doesn't look great or realistic despite te big budget.
One of the worst choices they made in Godzilla 2014 was killing Walter White. The focus should have stayed with him grieving from his wife's death and trying to bring her justice or something 🤔
agreed. audiences were heavily invested on his character particular since he is the very first one that was introduce. The switch to his son a character who felt bland compare to his father story. if the focus had been on the son early on so we know its was his story we were following the backlash wouldn't had been nearly as bad.
Instead they gave us his blank slate son who is a career soldier for no other reason than it keeps him in the action. Really...why would he be in the military? Did anyone catch any explanation for that?
Let's be honest. GODZILLA MINUS ONE still has Toho's legendary look for Godzilla. The American version struggles in that department, but still a great Godzilla depiction. Time to maybe see these films as basically two different Godzillas? Great work on both sides of the pacific by the way. 👏👏
@@JarMar3296yep I mean the Godzilla we got in 2014 was okay but maybe it was more of showing how much of a threat he is then have the mutos show unexpectedly. Now having to deal with three monsters and only Godzilla can defeat the mutos then that would have them a reason to keep Godzilla alive. Then realizing Godzilla keeps balance and the only reason he showed up was to take out a threat and humanity was just caught in the middle of a battle. That would’ve been better movie plot Godzilla shows up and the humans try to kill him. Then all of a sudden two more monsters come out then resulting Godzilla having to take out both threats. Maybe since he’s a little out numbered the military helps Godzilla. Idk but it’s just a plot I’ve been thinking about since seeing Godzilla minus one.
Thank you someone is finally seeing the direction Legendary is going in. Probably won’t be seeing any flying Godzilla for sure, but a light heart comedic moments always helps lessen a serious or tense moment when needed.
I know this is definitely two different franchises, but it’s so not wrong how GxK is now at a uphill battle with the rest of the franchise where it really has to be good. It doesn’t have to be good as Minus one just good on its own and we can enjoy both. So far it’s a exciting spectacle, although now it seems to have the same exact issues that Hollywood has with the hero franchises unfortunately up against what’s considered to be the best Godzilla film of the decade. GxK has to be able to hold itself up or it’ll sink like every other Hollywood film this year.
Minus one was way too sappy and overly sentimental. The guy would have had to commit harakiri or faced execution. If it was after the war ended then he would still have been ostracized. The mechanic who thought him a coward wouldn't have told him about an ejection seat, he would have let him prove his bravery one last time. The woman turning up at the end was the overly sentimental part with her surviving voided her sacrifice and took any consequence from the movie. The movie felt like it was written by Americans, not Japanese.
@@jasonrhodes9726 you know you are wrong mostly out of all of that and if you read history you would know well the sentimentalities are there especially after the war. Plus how it’s a bittersweet ending.
How is it bittersweet? No one died, not even Godzilla. Nothing had any weight or consequence. It wasn't even childish funny like the Godzilla movies of the was it 50s or 60s when he knew karate and could fly?@@jamesvarela233
You know what’s crazy? Minus One didn’t have the best first impression when the teaser released. People were judging his design and were overall somewhat hesitant about the film.
I was hesitant because of everything released by Toho after shin godzilla was pretty mediocre at best for me, and i feel a lot of people shared that sentiment, but after i gave this film a chance, i had to see it, and it is by far my favorite godzilla film to date
@@TRIOAntimations Godzilla Earth wasn't the issue with the trilogy He can have cool action scenes if they were actually made Heres a fan animation that showcases one fight we could have had we have the world building for the trilogy telling us such a more interesting story the fall of earth and what not but Expectations were wildy different from what we got though ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hM8bP3G3AVM.html
@@connork9745 I’ve seen them. And I wasn’t referring to the Godzilla as being slow and boring but rather the films he’s in. Doesn’t help when the characters are trash.
The trailer for Godzilla X Kong is currently sitting at 24 million views. I’m gonna say that no, Minus One didn’t have any effect on the former, as it shouldn’t. Two completely different films with different purposes.
Not to mention, it has over 700k likes on WB YT page alone. Plus, it has no competition when it comes out in April, so I think it will make much more than GvK did
Kinda of a shame then for Minus One even though it's getting critical acclaim as well as financial records for a foreign film there's still that barrier of entry that somehow forbids it from doing way better which it deserves all the potential to do much better. This new movie trailer has 24 million views yes but what does that say in comparison to Minus One? Who are all those people who are part of those 24 million views and where were they for Minus One? Have we gotten to a weird point in time where people in the West who are Godzilla fans only care about the Hollywood movies? If Godzilla Minus One is so well received why isn't it being shown more in theaters? Because Minus One is not only a great Godzilla movie but probably and arguably one of if not the best movie of the year. I think it's even up for some Oscars... Why does the fact it's a foreign film handicap it from total success? Why can't it financially be on the same level as the American Godzilla movies. Does Hollywood just purposely handicap and neuter foreign films out of fear? I don't get it. All the people who are psyched for this upcoming Godzilla movie; as Godzilla fans shouldn't they have seen Minus One? If not, what is stopping them? Or is it just that people like sillier premises over serious themed films? Because if I remember correctly, th most successful Godzilla movie of the Showa era was King Kong vs Godzilla, more than the original. Perhaps people all over the world just like the campiness more Minus One is shattering Japanese records but it should be shattering world wide records. It doesn't make sense to me. It cost 15 million to make. These Hollywood movies cost 10 times as much sometimes even more. And so when their returns are in th hundreds of millions, sometimes even that is not enough to even break even. I don't know why a critically successful movie would be handicapped at the theater release. Just release it more theaters then wtf. Is it lack of marketing? What's the issue here. I want a minus one to reach overbloated Hollywood a lesson here.
@budgiecat9039 You also have to remember that Minus 1 was initially marketed towards the hard core G fans, which is why it first had a limited release when it was released globally and to fewer screenings as well plus it came out during the Christmas season as well which is a busy time for movies and a lot of competition. It wasn't until word of mouth got out about it that more people started taking notice to it, even toho extended its release overseas. The Monsterverse is marketed towards the general audience a way bigger audience, and that's why it gets more attention. In fact, Toho depends on the monsterverse success to help finance their movies and get Godzilla out to a bigger audience it's a win-win for Toho and for the fans around the world cause we get more Godzilla content
@@weldezzharris All foreign films get limited releases regardless that was part of my point rant. Hollywood has always seemed to purposely nerf the potential of success for foreign films in fear the public might favor them over domestic films. Aft all it is an industry.
@budgiecat9039 Why would they market another countries film one thats aimed at a niche audience? It was the word of mouth is when Hollywood had to take notice to it, I know it seems unfair, but that's the business. Minus 1 accomplished some much with very little marketing, which is a testament of how good it is, it's highest grossing toho Godzilla film of all time and winning soo many awards it really beat all the odds
I think some people are missing the point of the video. He’s not comparing MV Godzilla and Toho Godzilla, he’s talking about them together and how they related to one another.
Whilst -1 was an absolute masterpiece, I am still super excited for GXK. It all boils down to preference of film. Some people will love the super serious and dark Godzilla takes, others will prefer the more sci fi or goofy take. Why do we have to compare both? GXK ain’t going to be nowhere near as amazing as -1 and that’s okay. Plus, the movie ain’t out yet. Should we be so judgmental at this point in time? Let the people who are excited or interested in the mediocre American film enjoy it
“Should we be so judgmental at this point” “GxK will be nowhere near as amazing as -1” “let the people who are excited or interested in the mediocre American film enjoy it” Do you have a brain? What makes the movie mediocre? Bc it’s not serious? Do you consider all the shows era Godzilla movies mediocre? Or just this American Godzilla? Y’all act like Godzilla hasn’t been sci fi/action for most of his movies. Lol the era of Godzilla that most fans love the most is literally sci fi/action.
people just don't appreciate anything. I find it stupid how people immediately change their mind after seeing a new toho film and decide that GXK will be a terrible movie DESPITE it not even being released yet...@@RickytickyBobbywobbin-jl5oy
@@MrGoji12345I am extremely excited to see GXK, and I loved Minus One. I only said what I said because I’ve seen so many people crap on GXK when it ain’t even out yet, I myself wasn’t hating on the movie in my original comment I was just frustrated on how some people have been crapping on a movie that isn’t out yet, that’s a part of the same property, but different section I guess of it
I feel bad that there are still people who compare this films, from 2004-2014 we had a decade long drought of Godzilla, and now Godzilla is literally everywhere, tv shows, good movies, success at Hollywood and some fans complain, JUST BE GRATEFUL AND ENJOY GODZILLA!
Both can be entertaining in differnt ways. It doesn't have to be either or. People complaining that 400 ft tall lizards and apes not being "real" or serious enough is kinda silly. When it's better for us fans to support what we like,while not trashing the competition. IM not a shin godzilla fan, but I've also never criticized it. I'll take any legit godzilla,kong movie no matter what.
Thats mkt the issue and you people are pissing me off. The problem isnt serious or goofy godzilla. You can have both but the WRITING IS THE ISSUE. If the monsterverse had good writing PLUS goofy fun it Be PERFECT
Alright its time Put my 2 cents in this Godzilla X Kong and Godzilla minus one should stop being compared to each other It benefits no one and simply does not help the MONSTEVERSE in its certain path The scaling Issue everyone is talking about is true in the sense that they do not move as if their giant monsters, which apparently we now have a problem with as if Godzilla KOTM and GvK didn't have similarly fast moments (GvK literally has a part were Godzilla moves fast as hell on all 4's which NO ONE had a problem with) I'll admit that Godzilla and Kong running is simply goofy there's no way around it BUT you Cannot Ignore that their in fact IS a sense of scale EVEN in the trailer we see The pyramids, a City being leveled by something and the Skar king on the beach all of which debunks that they all look small as we literally see just how gigantic Skar king is on a beach terrorizing people Most importantly the movie is not out We're complaining about things that aren't shown in there true glory, but Random clips we see for like 9 seconds at a time. We don't know the true scale of the film because we haven't seen it yet for all we know the story could be the greatest of the Monsterverse BUT We don't know (Which is my biggest problem with the trailer personally, it didn't show enough of what was actually going on) I understand stand the criticisms of the trailer but we need to except that it's not the final product and act accordingly I'm not bashing anyone for having an opinion but it gets to a point to where others are just biased and I won't stand for it
One thing I'll compare is the budget. G-1.0 spent like 15 mill on the movie's budget, where as Monsterverse's 2014 movie spent like 160 million. And each movie gets more expensive.
@@Fang1st the fact that G-1 only has a 15 million dollar budget sure raise an eyebrow. Japanese productions are notorious for not paying their staff. So chances are that Toho undercut the cgi animators in terms of pay.
@@RandomBlackGamer It's possible, I won't say it is, but even then they spent less than 10% of what hollywood spent, so my point still stands. I do hope that the staff got proper payment though.
Been watching you for awhile and what I love is how much enthusiasm you have for the franchise. This video was excellent. I think the perfect godzilla movie would put the story writing first and be able to balance the spectical with the drama.
This is probably your best video. Godzilla's versatility is dependent on whether the things that he evolved into as a character are present in the original, and Godzilla's silliness isn't one of them. The only thing making Godzilla silly is the premise of the character itself, something you have to suspend your disbelief for in order to consume the content (as you would any piece of fiction). I also am happy that Minus One has made certain Godzilla fans explore proper media literacy and made them think more critically about media in general, and analyze the Monsterverse through a more critical lens. Godzilla should be held at a much higher standard of storytelling and Minus One is evidence. For those that want people to just enjoy Godzilla regardless of the quality of the products, why should we just accept anything that's given to us just because it's Godzilla? That's the same mentality Star Wars fans have, and look where the franchise is now. Same with Marvel up until the beginning of phase 5. We don't want mediocre anymore. We want good
AMEN! Your comment, just like this video, is extremely well said. While the last decade has been an amazing blessing for a lifelong Godzilla fan like me, the last few years have been really depressing as a member of Godzilla fan communities. Everyone used to just talk about the movies, frequently very critically. The Millennium era got trashed constantly, and fans of it like me didn't mind. We'd just discuss it. But there's been a change now. There's a huge segment of the fans who think you can't criticize any of it. Because apparently accepting all Godzilla content no matter how much the character is warped and disrespected, is what a "true fan" would do? Are Hollywood productions that adapt existing IPs not notorious for disrespecting the fans and the brand just to exploit it for cash? Copying current trends and dating the entries with dumb studio ideas? Do we not already have a famous example of that from 1998? Where they just said "we want a recognizable name and concept, but Jurassic Park was successful, so let's just make it into that." If I see one more of these "defenders" rebuke a legit criticism by sharing an image of Godzilla sliding on his tail or any of that other camp Showa content, as if it gives the entire franchise half a century later the excuse to not make the slightest effort to be faithful or respectful of the characters or audience... 😑
I've been a Godzilla/Kaiju Fan all my life. My Dad showed me these movies back in the day and I've been in love ever since. And honestly? These types of discussions confuse and sometimes even anger me, especially recently with Minus One's impact and success. This genre/franchise was DEAD in the early 2000s (not literally, but you hopefully get my point). There was nothing and I hated it. Then came along the MV and revived the Kaiju Genre which even led to other Kaiju movies and Toho starting the Reiwa Era. We are living in a time where TWO Godzilla Eras are running simultaneously, this has NEVER happened before. Us Kaiju Folks are eating good right now. And thats exactly why I don't get this G-1.0 vs. GxK debate. This is stupid on both sides of the argument. Can't we just be happy that our favorite franchise is in a better state then ever before? We are getting new content left and right and center, it's amazing. Minus One and Shin are masterpieces and the MV has been a lot of fun. I'm just tired of comparing. The MV is dumb showa era cheese and fun. Reiwa is thought provoking and somber. There is something for everybody and both things are fun and valid. Would I want the MV to do better? Of course. But I'm just grateful that my passion franchise is thriving more then ever. Sorry for the rant.
No worries, man. I completely get it. I don’t really check online discourse much these days (ironically) so I’m not really too aware of the GXK Vs Minus One debate. That’s certainly not what this video is meant to be. This video was a counter argument to the statement that the humans are weighing Kaiju films down. As I stated in the video, I’m optimistic about GXK and want nothing more than for it to be an amazing film. But I am hoping the standard is raised and the bar to measure MonsterVerse films is no longer “Godzilla has X amount of screen time.”
Having yet to finish watching this video I can't help to point out the comments section here on this video. The fact that there's a division between TOHO and Legendary's Godzillas here, or overall, is just disgusting. Be appreciative that we're receiving two takes on the King of Monsters.
Before I've even watched the video, and based purely on the title. I like we're getting gritty and grounded Godzilla films and more fantastical Godzilla films at the SAME TIME!
Great video essay man! At first I was a little put off by the GxK trailer but as some time went on it really started to grow on me especially since I grew up with the showa era. I absolutely love dark and gritty Goji entrees but I don't mind some silliness here and there as long as the story is good and Goji is portrayed properly
@@ShinGoji1987Official but I can judge it based on the trailer and the other Monsterverse movies. They all had shit stories. Hollow earth blah blah, ancient rivalry derp derp dumb. Same shit over and over.
Well one thing to take into consideration when it comes to these films. You can take kids to the Monsterverse movies. You cant take kids to Godzilla minus one, unless you want them to have nightmares lol
I don't want the Monsterverse to end as there seems like there can be a larger story to tell, if they plan something out and start sticking to characters and begin to build up to something with a few cannon spinoff shows or movies that expand the universe and help build and explain lore could be awesome. If they built up to a destroy all monsters Destroyah ending and actually stick to a story and start writing the humans better the Monsterverse could be way better, it doesn't have to be dark and gritty, but it shouldn't be too goofy and ridiculous, there needs to be balance, something that their universe has talked about a lot.
Godzilla minus zero goes back to 1954 Godzilla, the first disaster horror movie, that takes TOHO to rise in kaiju popularity before Ultraman and others. That might be the answer
*SPOILERS!* "GMO" did such a fantastic job with its' human characters that I not only wiped tears away more than once, but I was actually happy that Noriko survived a nuclear explosion! (Yeah, I saw the mark on her neck. I know that it did something to her that helped her live.) Just so you know, I hated that the son survived in Spielberg's "War of the Worlds". I even had a thought about it when I saw her alive, but Koichi had been through so much that he had earned a happy ending in my book!
Whilst minus one is my favourite Godzilla film I'm still interested to see this one, even though I wasn't a fan of Godzilla vs Kong. I'm just glad a traditional toho godzilla film which comes from a franchise monsterverse fans seem to hate is getting this much praise.
The contrast between the two tones is their greatest strength. Minus One is an absolute triumph, but that doesn’t mean a silly Godzilla movie can’t be enjoyable in its own (and different) way. Every time there’s a new Batman movie people act like the previous version now sucks and the newest version is the best thing ever. Then it happens again. Same thing happens here. The Toho Godzillas will ALWAYS be the definitive versions, but that doesn’t mean other versions can’t exist alongside them.
Destroy? Most unlikely. Both Toho and legendary are using two different sides of the same coin that is godzilla. One that is serious as originally intended and the other is the fun monster brawl.
Here for both. Just enjoy that Godzilla fans are eating well now. Excited for both what Toho and Legendary does next. I loved Minus one on Imax. Ill also see Godzilla x Kong on imax. Stop turning nothing into drama, and let people enjoy it.
It’s the other way around. The amount of memes, publicity, and attention GxK is getting from a single trailer dwarfs any attention I’ve seen Minus One getting. When I get people talking to me about “bro did you just see this new trailer” and then them being shocked when I reply with “yeah, did you see the one that’s *already out?* “ is kinda irritating.
@@DMan1954 I mean hey, we probably live in two completely different areas. Over here GxK is all the hype, and I haven’t really seen anybody discuss minus one. But agree to disagree, I suppose.
@@DMan1954I do think you’re underestimating the power memes can have on film. Also to be fair on Twitter has change a lot it wouldn’t be too surprising the algorithm picks on showing things trend based of a different criteria before musk.
I never understood people who want to gatekeep Godzilla. This franchise went through so much bad kid movies, annoying characters, lazy repetitive storylines and people still wanna hate on 1998 and the monster verse when most Godzilla movies weren't handle with respect. Minilla itself is more insulting than anything post Godzilla 2014 and people are acting as if those movies never existed
This is the same thing that's happening with the Transformers franchise, people wanted the transformers to be back to their classic days, with og designs and everything and hated the Bayverse with a passion. Then we got Rise of the beast and that movie didn't even do well, it even had a consistent story. It was just boring. Despite what people say of the bayverse films they were fun to watch and had people hyped. I see the same thing with MV and Minus 1. Yes Minus 1 had good characters and story but eventually it'll become stale and people will get bored. Because let's be honest we just want Godzilla. Even if the characters are great you didn't come there solely to watch them. I feel like people will get invested in Minus one then immediately regret it and say they miss the MV days.
Personally I am still very much excited for Godzilla X Kong The New Empire, I know it probably won't achieve the levels Minus One did but I am always for pure fun kaiju adventure and it probably will end up being my favorite movie of next year, I think the movie looks to be very fun and enjoyable despite whatever negative or mixed reactions it may have gotten from others. I am just greatful we are literally in a golden age with kaiju content we can enjoy, but of course everyone will have differing opinions when it comes to this stuff. I comlletely understand that something like GXK is probably not gonna be everyone's thing, but im sure there are plenty of fans and people out there who are very much excited for what Legendary and Toho are offering despite however the trailer was recieved with the mixed reactions, they are eagerly awaiting for another a fun ol kaiju fun fest. Im just happy to have different kaiju movies from two studios. BUT everyone has a right to their opinion and how they feel so it is not my place to judge anyone on how they feel about the MV or other Godzilla content and what they wish they could see or want in future kaiju content. With That being said though looking at some of the comments and replies, this comment section is like a damn warzone between fans, the negativity is usually why I don't really interact with many other fans like that outside of my one friend from childhood. I just find it a sad sight to see when so many fans are at each other's throats and tearing each other apart over different kaiju media, opinions, and criticisms but that is something that will never go away no matter the fanbase. But all in all, there isn't much that can be done. Overall while I am very excited to see Godzilla and Kong together on the big screen for another kaiju sized adventure, I also get what your saying D-man and any explanations/concerns you may have for GXK and the MV as a whole especially with how well Minus One has handled aspects like story and characters. There are other fans I have seen with the same concerns and I am truly sorry if there is any toxicity being pointed towards you from others in the comment section who saw this video that you may have to deal with, I know you work hard on these videos and probably don't like seeing fans so at odds with each other or some comment sections becoming a fandom warzone.
It seems to me that no matter what Japan puts out it will be seen as "better: than the Monsterverse. They could make a cheesy 1960's style godzilla movie suits and all and critics and such will say how much better it is than the USA versions.
Even being generous, 90% of the Japanese Godzilla movies suffer from indifferent or weak human stories that are often overlooked because "giant monsters!" and nostalgia. When Godzilla 2014 came out and people complained about the large amount of human story, I was like... "haven't you watched a Japanese Godzilla movie before?" It's a bunch of scientists, military and leading man and woman standing around, talking and pointing. There is no story outside of Godzilla wrecking shop and the humans trying to stop him. Godzilla -1 finally elevates the human story to the primary story and it's rightfully getting the recognition it deserves. It's the message though that's important, Japan finally shedding the self loathing and survivor's guilt after WW2. It's a very important and Japanese message because it speaks culturally and turns Godzilla from punisher of nuclear sin to catalyst for resurrection and growth as a society.
A good Japanese kaiju film with human characters you actually care about is Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris. It is a good balance of human and monster action and should be an inspiration when it comes to non-solo Godzilla films going forward.
These are 2 completely different movies minus one is a sad emotional movie about post war japan and a giant lizard is destroying stuff in the background gxk is more like the heisei/showa/millenium movies where it’s fun not trying to be this big emotional movie it’s just monster action people need to stop comparing these 2 completely different movies which one hasn’t even came out yet and it won’t until I think it was like mid 2024 and for people who hate the mv just stop watching videos on it and stuff about it like I hate Disney so I stay away from most of their stuff And about the video gxk is gonna be released next year so -1 will have 0 effect on that movie and just because the new mv movie isn’t gonna be a sad,emotional movie and (probably not) a masterpiece of a film like -1 doesn’t mean people aren’t gonna go watch it like I liked -1 more than anything in the mv but that doesn’t make me hate the mv and never make me wanna see another one of their movies Edit:Also the trailer wasn’t fully finished it was just trying to release it around -1 to get some more hype so the movie will (I’m 99% sure)have better cgi and they might change a few scenes from the trailer and this will definitely make a lot of people mad but shin and -1 might of not even released and if they did they definitely wouldn’t doing as good if it wasn’t the MV that’s just the truth
Saying that camp isn't a legitimate part to Godzilla's history, to me, is the equivalent to saying that Adam West isn't a legitimate part of Batman's history. Not to gatekeep or anything, but the "real" Godzilla fans know that the MonsterVerse is basically adapting the Showa Era of Godzilla movies (which is the era that most Godzilla fans grew up watching!). Sure, my favorite Godzilla stories are the ones that are darker and more grounded, don't get me wrong, but watching Godzilla beat up the "bad guy" monsters just brings out my inner child and it makes me smile! I can't speak for everyone else especially when it comes to a big blockbuster that is supposed to appeal to everyone, but Minus One did not kill my own hype for Godzilla X Kong. Minus One is a masterpiece (and my favorite film of the decade so far), but I am ready to have a FUN Godzilla movie, too!
NGL While I love minus one, I think its time to stop doing the 1954 shit again, we have minus one, we have shin. Toho should just let it rest at that and stop remaking the 1954 film over and over and over again. And I'd honestly rather minus one stay a standalone film, no sequels, no prequels, let the masterpiece lie in its current state. We know toho sucks at making sequels (except for the kiryu movies), and every time they make sequels to darker, more serious movies, they end up being derpy monster fight movies anyways. I would honestly love for Toho to actually make a movie based on what Singular point was originally going to be, an army of Samuraii fighting Godzilla. Or hell even a universe with a Shadow of the Colossus theme for the godzilla universe. Or a steampunk or cyberpunkish type universe, since godzilla so far has almost always been featured in a modern era placed somewhere within 100-200 years, and there is so much more the character could be taken in. (Anime trilogy did do this but it was executed horribly, with the directors not agreeing on what to do with the movie in the first place). So I appreciate the Monsterverse trying to do something new with a unique take on the universe. My main gripe is that this IS supposed to be the same universe as 2014, and it feels like a lot of shit just got dropped super fast and sudden without any buildup in between. I think KOTM would have benefitted from being 2 movies, 1 movie that builds everything up, establishes stuff with mothra and godzilla and all the other titans, and ending with ghidorah being freed from the ice. And part 2 being Godzilla actually fighting ghidorah. Sure some people would be pissed it didn't happen in the first movie, but the plot would have time to breath. Hell, in KOTM, a huge emphasis was put on the connection between Godzilla and Mothra, but the two don't even interact at all in the movie. And although KOTM wasn't the best, I think it did set up incredible and near infinite potential to take the monsterverse in, and I think by putting all the titans to sleep rather than have them active and have humanity need to learn to coexist with titans for the sake of having Godzilla and Kong feeling more special only made the universe feel smaller, despite the introduction of the hollow earth. I honestly have no problem with Godzilla or the kaiju being characters (seriously, one of their contracts literally says legendary can't allow godzilla to display emotion, eat, or do much of anything outside of fight things), and I feel like Toho's idea that godzilla shouldn't be a character but instead be some force of nature and thats that is stupid, considering the original 1954 film very much so had godzilla be a character.
Godzilla Minus One is in fact immortal, and most likely there will be much more in the sequel, which cannot be said about his truly bursting atomic breath, which will burn the entire universe to the ground... :)
To be fair, I think Godzilla x Kong kind of did it to itself with the huge jump from the relatively grounded Godzilla 2014 movie, to whatever it is that it's trying to be now. I should clarify that I don't hate the Monsterverse. In fact, next to Minus One its my favorite Godzilla series of films.
@@TylenOneal239hell, I’d put the Heisei series too, Godzilla 1984 was grounded and we went straight to a dead girl’s spirit possessing a Godzilla-plant hybrid in the follow-up lol
@@gojithefatlizard_officialbut they done some weird concepts before. It just funny they are criticizing the American films when toho has done to before
@@TylenOneal239thats such a weak argument. Sure the showa movies get goofy but the story and characters for the most part are enjoying to watch. The monsterverse has no story and no good characters and poor writing.
12:01 I would argue (based on my limited knowledge of Japanese culture, so... grain of salt) that Godzilla -1 IS ALSO about Japan's response to WW2 and the two government's response (or lack of) to Godzilla. As well as being about trauma and how Japan treated their soldiers. There's so much going on in that film, and Godzilla is the catalyst for all of it, as he should be. Keep up the good work!
D Man you knocked this exposition out of the park and have given your community a considerably amount of insight to digest. These are definitely two different types of Godzilla movies which will undoubtedly pull in different audiences. While I hate seeing Godzilla and Kong running like men in Godzilla X Kong trailers, I will still be able to enjoy the entertainment value of seeing my childhood hero once again on the big screen! While Godzilla Minus One was a masterpiece as the Godzilla movies goes (I loved the fact that it was not dubbed), there is room in my heart to accept and love both kinds of movies. Truly these Godzilla movies are offering something for everyone to enjoy, while someone may not be a fan of one, hopefully they would be a fan of the other.
I do regret not seeing GvK in the theater for the soul reason of not seeing the audience reaction to the Lethal Weapon reference. But then again i don't know how many people would of caught it.
I would like to also lobby a defense for the monsterverse. While it ain't perfect, with the exception of 2014 none of them are boring or empty. Minus One succeeded in doing what they set out to do, but so far it's the ONLY attempt that's actually worked, barring Shin Godzilla. Almost everything else trying to recapture what the OG film did has largely been disappointing or some of the worst in the franchise *insert anime trilogy here*. I am not against serious Godzilla movies, not at all, but I do not want to see one side of the franchise to left on the wayside in favor of the other.
Pfffftttt. Kong and godzilla will do fine, as both creatures have major IP status and most GZ fans dont freaking care about humans in the plot anyway. 99% of Toho Godzilla films (Minus One and Original) had good characters or human protagonists. The entire Toho film roster, including Shin GZ, had shit garbage human characters and silly as hell plots. And yet they made money. I want a silent film solely from the Kaiju point of view to be honest. If you want to make a serious oscar winning "Kaiju film", go ahead watch Peter Jackson Kong or Minus One. I am more than happy for dumb FUN like Godzilla vs Kong was and most Kaiju films have, thus I am hyped for Godzilla Kong New Empire. Hope its as fun and dumb as the last movie.
I liked Minus One way more than Shin. I also like the Monsterverse. As Godzilla fans, we're eating good. With the box office success of Minus One and the Monsterverse I feel we'll continue to get more movies
Hollywood's obsession with spectacle hurts the overall quality of their films. Substance should always come before spectacle. That's how you get films that matter, films that people remember for years, even decades. This also applies to kaiju films. Let budget be decided by substance and you'll see better films with lower budgets.
I might disagree with one thing you said about GxK as my perception is different from yours,but I do hear you and I do agree pretty much about everything else. I also loved how you exposed what you wanted to say,it made the video very compelling
I wouldn't be as skeptical about the current Monsterverse, if I believed it arrived where it is on purpose. There's a big difference between intentionally framing your movies as callbacks to the lovable antics of the Showa-era and leaning hard into science-fantasy because you can't find the equilibrium that lends your monster-action, character development, and worldbuilding sci-fi cred. It's exhausting to get excited about a thing's initial concept--to invest years, seasons, and seasonal breaks, only to seethat thing morph into something entirely different than what it is you were sold on. And it's even more tiring of to cope with it just because you have genuine love for whatever the original thing was that's stringing you along in it's present form. Minus One is a "pace-car" for what the Monsterverse wanted to be in G2014 and should be going forward. I don't want another "Transformers franchise." So yeah, fight me.
Dude, I totally agree with you on the scaling issue, it is a genuine problem people are so quick to dismiss. The amount of people I’ve seen purposefully misrepresenting the criticism as “ Godzilla can’t run” is crazy… somehow if we draw attention to this we aren’t “true fans”
Agreed. And they point to goofy movies like Godzilla vs Megalon and Hedorah to excuse how stupid Godzilla looks sprinting like a track runner. There's a big difference. Those Showa era movies had a teeny tiny budgets and technical limitations. There's no reason a $200 million movie in 2024 should look this bad. They could do that exact same shot of Godzilla and Kong moving towards the screen and make them look massive and heavy. And people also forget that at the time many Godzilla fans did not like the goofy direction those movies were heading in. They were more or less flops.
@@matthewgramz3648 I completely agree, the amount of people I’ve seen say “well in the Showa era” that’s exactly my point bruh, this is the monsterverse, if you want goofy Godzilla go watch the gemstone shorts. And Godzillas run towards mechagodzilla in GVK was phenomenal, you could feel the power behind every step.
One underrated aspect of the GVK sprint is how Godzilla needs to use the buildings to propel his movements. The only reason he goes that fast is because he uses all his energy to do so. It’s amazing
As a huge Godzilla fan. I love all Godzilla projects. There is not one project that I really hate even 1998 and I somewhat get the criticisms with these new blockbusters, but at the same time I love all of the projects for this king of the monsters.
Godzilla -1.0 was a cinematic master piece. The Monsterverse used to try to do that, but now it's just goofy fun. One brings one thing to the table, the other brings something else. The only sad thing is how far off the Monsterverse has fallen.
The monsterverse is a modern Showa version of the series. Still it’s stupid for fans to be like this attack each other calling what films should be. Seriously why not have both insets of having the other copying each other
You nailed it! I finally had the chance to watch Godzilla Minus One last night, and it's the first Godzilla movie that actually brought a tear to my eye. I loved it! Hell, I think I might actually get my wife to watch it, and that's saying something!
Honestly, while I’m not super excited for GxK the new empire I’m still going to see it regardless. Because I still love this franchise. Whether it be Toho or Legendary I still love both. I think it’s unfair to compare Minus One and The New Empire because they are both different films using the Godzilla character. And you’re right about Godzilla being versatile, whether nuclear allegory or defender of earth I still love the Big G regardless. And I want to see where they can take his character next. Because I still think the Big G has so much potential in both franchises. Now I do have my problems with the Monsterverse as a whole. Like consistency and the poorly written characters. However I am enjoying Legacy of Monsters so far. I still believe the New empire will make money regardless and you can guarantee that we will get more sequels. But for now let’s enjoy the content that we are getting.
I’m glad to have both versions but minus one is the better version hands down; it’s one part war drama, one part disaster film and one parts jaws, it’s amazing it exceeds the hype
Great video Derek. I honestly couldn’t say it any better. Thats exactly what has happened to the Monsterverse. What worries me more is that it’s gone the way the Batman movies did years ago and it’s almost about selling toys. I say that figuratively for Godzilla here but it’s a franchise killer. It killed that Batverse. It could kill the Monsterverse. I hope I’m wrong.
I have thought a lot about how we are mirroring the 90e Batman trajectory. You are 100% right and anyone who knows film history knows that. I hope the MonsterVerse has a different fate. I think it will
I am perhaps in the minority but I find Godzilla (2014) watchable if not great but the two sequels absolutely unwatchable. I have tried to sit through both of them after my initial viewing and I never make it. Those films are just stupid. I really like Kong Skull Island and thought it struck a great balance. The trailer for Godzilla X Kong makes me very much _not_ want to see it. Godzilla Minus One reset the standard. It is the G movie I have always wanted to see. I would hate to be anyone responsible for making a G film which follows that.
Minus One showed that there is more to Godzilla than just the blockbuster experience that the Monsterverse gives. I don’t think it will take away too much from GxK other than the difference in strength of the story being told. Two different kind of WOW factors. I’m not overly excited about GxK because the novelty of the monster fights being done that way may be wearing but I will still check it out.
Don’t matter to me, I’m a godzilla fan regardless. One movie is full on terror and what godzilla really is and the other is a movie where u turn off your brain and watch monster duke it out. Either way we eatin good 😈
Well yeah true but still I’m just gonna be so excited for Godzilla x kong the new empire because I have came all this way to finally wait for the new mv film I’ll be so happy and hyped up for it 🎉🎉🎉
Once again I have to point out that there are many MANY factors as to it's success. Timing. Timing. Timing. Let's break it down. Hollywood Strike Movies unable to be properly promoted due to Hollywood Strike Movies being pushed back or put on freeze because of Hollywood Strike I mean, Disney's Wish? The Hunger Games? How well promoted were these movies? They weren't really pushed at all! Another consideration. It's GODZILLA! Godzilla is easily the most recognized giant monster in the world. Doesn't need much promotion. On top of this, (and not many RU-vidrs are acknowledging this...) we've had TEN YEARS of The MonsterVerse. I know it's "trendy" to trash it while at the same time praising TOHO and Minus one. But what exactly has TOHO been doing the last 7 years for Godzilla? I would not be surprised whatsoever if many viewers of Minus One thought it was yet another story in The MonsterVerse. Many of the shots in Minus One are lifted directly from The MonsterVerse (i.e. Godzilla swimming under a warship. Godzilla blowing up a ship with his atomic breath from underwater. The camera tracking up his tail as he charges up). To the layperson..."Oh, I remember that shot from Godzilla VS KONG"! The MonsterVerse...is...SHOWA!!! It's CLASSIC Godzilla. The Showa Era is what most fans grew up on. I don't get this sudden shift to "We've always wanted a dark Godzilla. The Monsterverse Godzilla isn't true Godzilla" But what do YOU guys think? Is DMan being "too nitpicky"? Is he ignoring the fact that the audience has made clear that they want to see Titans and not human story? Is he letting TOHO "slide" for giving us yet another REBOOT...after SEVEN YEARS? Is he ignoring the many "scale" shots in GXK's trailer (Skar King on beach. Some part of claw Titan crashing down on town square. Gia ascending up large stairs) Leave me a like and tell me your thoughts below!
I only think the MonsterVerse isn't looking good is because of the shift change from 2014 and Skull Island. They don't feel like they are in the same universe. I'm fine with Godzilla x Kong, and I actually cannot wait until it comes out, they just don't stack up together as a cinematic universe. And it doesn't help that Minus One is so well received and the drastic tonal differences are so close together with reveals for each of them. if they were released a year apart, The New Empire would't be hated at all.
New Empire might just be like one year too late. It sort of missed the opportunity to strike while the GVK iron was hot and Minus One slipped in as a not so subtle reminder of the grounded world the MonsterVerse started as
Imagine, you have a $15 million dollar budget and produce a ‘Oscar winning’ movie, and another studio out of Hollywood spends, what?, $200,000 million to make a movie based on the same concept you only want to see once. 😂😅
I believe Godzilla Minus One is one of the best Big G movies ever made in all 69 years (nice), right behind the original '54. I love the Monsterverse, and imo Godzilla Minus One beats them all for me and I don't think the MV will come close to being as good as it. Still doesn't change the love I have for the MV. I don't understand the level of hatred the Monsterverse has received because of Minus One, it's ridiculous to me. Some of the most famous Godzilla moments are when he is at his silliest, and almost every one of those moments are from the Showa Era. The sense of scale is definitely gone and that's a valid criticism, I think the sense of scale needs to be brought back, and even though the Hollow Earth kinda ruined that, they can easily still bring it back by having more human level shots in the HE. I don't get the hatred the monsterverse has received, it's honestly sad how almost the entire Godzilla fandom has been gatekeeping Minus One and essentially treating the Monsterverse like a cancer to the Kaiju genre. "It's getting too much like Marvel." Marvel has consistently made billions of dollars with their campy schlock entertainment from Iron Man up to Endgame, the only reason Marvel seems to be dying is because of the woke identity politics they pump into their movies and bad writing. If Marvel can do it, so can the MV. "But Minus One proves that humans are necessary." It has some of the best humans in ANY Godzilla movie, but it's kinda hard to write GOOD human characters when everybody complains about a lack of monster action. So when it comes to the Monsterverse, I think fans have to pick their poison. Have more humans in the film so they can develop and become likable characters that we can relate to with less monster action. Or you can have more monster action with little to no human elments that make us care for them or bad human writing. I still don't understand why people have basically had a Godzilla community civil war over these movies, just enjoy the Monsterverse for the entertainment of monster action and enjoy Toho produced films for more thought provoking pieces of art. And I hope that Minus One doesn't kill the Monsterverse, because the more money the Monsterverse makes, the more money Toho makes due to royalties, and the more money Toho makes, the more Godzilla Minus One styled movies we get. I just don't want to have a 10 year drought without Godzilla or Kong because people want to nitpick these movies and argue over which one is superior.
One would think that after 10 years of no Godzilla at all that people would enjoy having two different Godzilla’s going at the same time so there’s something for everyone. People can have their criticisms of the films on both sides but this whole gatekeeping bullshit especially the fans that want the Monsterverse to die because (to them) it doesn’t compete with -1 is pathetic.
Thank you for this analysis! i think this video is something the whole community needed to get a clear POV. And I do agree with everything you said here. Keep up the good work!
