DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [TIME OF ANGELS / FLESH & STONE MEGA REVIEW] 

Wait, what happened to the darlek episode in ww2 Edit: just found out that it’s a patrion exclusive

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Remember what you said about what holds an angel becomes itself an angel? Well, I just got sent back to 1899

That’s a very good point, series 4 and 5 river is when she’s at her best

The same could be said of the Doctor and every other "mysterious" character in the Moffat era, series 5 was definitely his best series as showrunner

@@acepirosu5871 What about 10? I really liked that.

Wish they had you on the writers team when these were being made 😄👍🏾

damn thats a good idea. or in order to destroy any hopes of recovering them with the Tardis, sent them so gar back that they die in the Big Bang or something.

I had thought until then that when angels unfreeze they didn't look like stone anymore, which was part of what made them creepy to me

@@matygoo1644 They were supposed to, the Doctor in "Blink" said that "In the sight of any living thing, they literally turn to stone.", key phrase is "turn to stone". Personally, I think Moffat had originally intended for them to look differently when not observed, perhaps even formless, but then something changed his mind, probably for that scene where they moved in "Flesh & Stone".

Plus the image thing is stupid but it's not as bad the statue of library

@@SkyExplosion the most common rule of the angels is the amount of episodes they star in is directly proportional to the level of stupid they are given

That just ruined it.

Same

it's like the borg on star trek tng. when they were first introduced there was no such thing as assimilation and if there was q would of mentioned it. they needed to raise the stakes for the second appearance so they introduced assimilation. same reason they added that to the angels.

i'm betting when they wrote blink they weren't planning on bringing the angels back but then he became the showrunner

@@theimortal1974 Makes sense. There's just so many better ways he could have utilised the Angels. Start off the episode the same way, but keep the Angel as a secret. The collector on the Byzantium knows his secret treasure is an Angel, but won't tell River (keeping the audience in the dark too). The ship crashes, all River and the others know is that whatever the collector's prize possession is, is straining the fabric of space-time and increasing the intensity of the effect as it absorbs energy from the crashed Byzantium's engines. The Clerics, Doctor, Amy and River believe the "thing" to possibly be a powerful device that got damaged in the crash and is stuck in the crashed Byzantium ship. They'll need to make their way through the catacombs below the ship in order to reach it and disable the device. The Doctor and Amy consider that this device may be the reason for The Cracks they keep finding. As they move through the catacombs (which are made much darker, with minimal lighting directed onto the characters and anything they're studying, keeping the rest of the location spooky and dark), they find eerily cryptic messages painted on walls. These messages being pretty nonsensical but also making mention of a Cleric's loved one. This spooks the specified Cleric out that these ramblings on the wall (which The Doctor estimates to be 300 years old) mention his wife/child. The Doctor and River brush it off as a coincidence or time ripples from getting closer to the device. Other messages are found as they continue, mentioning other information the other Clerics would only know respectively with the messages being differently aged. The messages are all still mostly erratic and nonsensical. The Clerics split off in pairs to comb the area as they begin to panic that they're being watched. They simply enter the pitch black with their flashlights growing more dim as they move further into it, until they're just gone. The Doctor, Amy, River and Octavian continue forward unaware of the others' disappearances. They find the base of the Byzantium, and scratched into the debris is another message from just 6 months ago. It's a lot more lucid than the others and formally details what little the victim knows about their disappearance. His mission went south as his unit were picked off one by one, and *this* is where he was taken moments after reading this very same message. He laments that he won't know if The Doctor succeeded where he failed, and that with no way to escape through the darkness without finding himself back at that point, he will likely perish from hunger or thirst soon. Hanging below the message is a pair of dogtags, belonging to Father Octavian. Octavian grimaces as he spies his own skeleton in the corner, moving towards it as The Doctor and River are focused on studying the message. Amy tries to cover Octavian with a flashlight and beckons him back to safety. The flashlight flickers off, and Octavian is gone. The Doctor and River react alarmed and take defensive stances, with The Doctor quietly and tensely revealing they were ill-equipped to come here. He apologises to Amy, and reveals they're being hunted. Before he can answer River and Amy as to what by, their flashlights flicker off. The Doctor instantly reacts using his Sonic Screwdriver to illuminate the space immediately in front of Amy, revealing a horrifying Weeping Angel that is mid-lunge. The trio are understandably terrified, with The Doctor holding his Sonic to keep the Angel illuminated while Amy panics to get the flashlight working again. The Doctor deduces that's why the messages relating to the Clerics were found, that the Angel must have picked them off. River slowly begins to scan the way they came with a flickering flashlight, and somberly skepticises this by asking if they all got caught by this Angel, how did they all get sent back to different times? River's flashlight reveals other immobile scary Angels mid-crawling their way towards the trio. The Doctor makes the cliffhanger deduction of them being in a maze of Angels as the lights all flicker out and it cuts to credits. Then you can have the follow-up episode showing them having escaped into the crashed Byzantium trying to make their way to the emergency teleport bay to escape, chased by the Angels and experiencing time disruption hallucinations eventually revealed to be caused by a Crack that's appeared in the ship.

Agreed it's bad but nowhere near as bad as the Liberty angel and the idea in class that they have a giant angel as the leader which is teased before they cancelled it.

@@Cyber_Smoke Yeah the Liberty Angel was something else. How did it move across the city (or even the harbor) without being noticed and having to stop (plus people being like WTF this spooky ass possessed Lady Liberty)? New York is supposed to be The City That Never Sleeps, not The City That Simultaneously Sleeps When A Giant Tourist Landmark Comes To Life To Antagonise Time Travellers Trying To Escape A Time Loop. It doesn't make sense, and isn't necessary. I have a feeling the Weeping Angel of Liberty is just wish fulfilment from Moffat or one of the producers who wanted to see it, sort of like when Game of Thrones had the "zombie polar bear" take focal point in an episode (and budget) because D&D ranted about wanting a zombie polar bear since season 1. What was the story with Class? I never watched it so I'm out of the loop.

Mhm

Yeah that was pretty good series 5 was moffats season with the most planning rather than just throwing shit at the wall like season 6

True, but personally I think if they did show the angles true or other form it would of messed them up even more and take away that mystery that’s best kept as a mystery. But you are right , it doesn’t make sense that they weren’t not stone

@@cyberemperor1435 You don't need to show the Angels' true form. You just need to cut the camera away then cut back again to them having moved.

I imagine their true form as sort of lovecraftian in a way. Not massive like a lot of lovecraftian horror, just undefinable

@@quantummidget I still imagine them as angels, just with an unworldly texture. Not made of skin or stone, but something else.

The brilliant aspect of not seeing them move is that it breaks the fourth wall: the angels can't move because we as the viewer are watching them. Even when characters aren't looking at the angels - take Sally when she retrieves the TARDIS key - we still don't see them move and only notice that they have moved after Sally stops blocking our view to them. Absolutely fantastic directing/writing and it scared me to death as a kid, but then they went and ruined it with this..

no one liked that scene lmao, it ruined the angels and the episode

@@sad_tbh The biggest "quirk" of the Angels is that they don't move while observed. Yet we see them moving. It was one of the worst moments in Series 5.

Plus she seems more attracted to Rory once he becomes more assertive

It will always be his castle in our hearts!

I love it too!

also considering the fact the statue OF FUCKING LIBERTY is an angel(shit idea) what about all the photos of it on postcards or on people's phone

They should have at least limited this, like only a few angels are able to do this, like if they have enough energy to do it, or if they are old enough or something. To fix the liberty angel thing (you could also dont make the liberty an angel..) just explain that this one is just too big and need so much energy to just survivre on it's one, plus it needs time to consume people

It’s implied that this was a trait they evolved to have (the angels in the ship and cave are much older than the ones Sally encountered) in order to combat the quantum lock that whilst yes, defended them from harm, also stopped them reaching their targets.

Don't worry about it, I manage to call it that "Time of the Angels" all the Time. Bonus Points for mentioning Dark! It deserves more attention. Maybe it could get an in-depth review?

HEY! I like the name! It’s the title of one of the best tracks from any Doctor Who soundtrack ever. I like Blink(Suite) too, but The Time Of Angels is objectively better. Ooh, and creepier.

I wish it was just Time of Angels, get rid of the _theeee's._

It's because that's what it's called in the book, as River states.

'Time of the Angels' is a classic Dr Who X of X name, 'The Time of Angels' does not hit the same mark.

Spoilers

@blasting pluto Makes no difference Seen it millions of times

@@Diamond_Squid It's been 10 years

@@Diamond_Squid is been 10 years man if u haven't watched it u properly are not going to

@@cyberfox9713 yes it was a very very shitty River Song joke as I’m re reading the post I realise it makes no sense. I have literally seen that episode millions of times.

How fitting that Angels take Manhatten is Aliens 3.

@@chrispy3369 Exactly.

I honestly think that angels take Manhattan is a batter story than this

@@timelordrohan9425 You're gonna have to explain further. Because I can't think that any Angel story is worse than take Manhatten.

It was the Byzantium Angel that was doing the killing. It snapped their necks, because sending them back in time served no real purpose. It didn't need the time energy, and it could use their voices to fuck with the Doctor.

The concept is stupid. The Statue of Liberty is an Angel with millions upon millions of photos of it. A uncountable number of people have stared at it.

@Sthenio I've not seen that film so ill take your word for it! 😂

That’s assuming they got zapped inside of the TARDIS as opposed to outside of it

Maybe they weren't on the TARDIS

If it's relevent to the series arc or highly requested he does

He did the End of Time part 1 which is a Christmas episode

at least they returned to that on the amy rory sendoff episode

Spoilers I guess

Lets be honest, the whole River thing doesn't make any sense at all, and it's not interesting or fun.

This version of River reappeared at the end of The Wedding of River Song

Yeah at the end of the wedding of river don't river shows up in her camouflage uniform Amy asked when she said just cooked out of the Byzantium she has to pretend she didn't know amy

Karren Gillan doesn't require consent .... Unless Chicks arn't your thing of course

1000gamer excuse me what

@@xproflipscarab Everyone requires consent.

@@georgebellamy32 a Joke... Calm down ... I'm perfectly aware rape is a bad thing ...

Nah, I'm with you. Every appearance seemed to get worse, culminating in her final episode sort of undermining how good her first one was

Wow you're right and I am disappointed in myself for not even realising this too, thank you for the correction! 😖😂

And Moffat should've stopped using them after these. They got overused and lost their appeal as scary monsters, just like the Cybermen and Daleks have.

@@tabularasa0606 nope. Angels Take Manhattan should’ve been the last and pretty sure it was. Angels Take Manhattan was fricking sadistic dude, bone chilling, the idea that the building was essentially a battery farm. Amazing.

@@drd2121 No, that was when they were overused, a really bad episode.

@@tabularasa0606 nope. Disagreed. If your going to be show short minded that you’ll write something off for being used more than a few times then poor you but it was a good episode.

@@drd2121 No, it wasn't. And I've seen it several times.

River met the 10th Doctor in the Library and here is meeting the 11th - the Doctor in these episodes is older than he was in Library. The actor's age has nothing to do with it

@@thomas5 But she kept saying he looked so young and kept acting like it was a shocking big deal. But the 10th & 11th Doctor both look around the same age, no real big age gap, at least appearance wise. It was just such a weird thing to keep mentioning only for it to be not really true.

It was probably just an afterthought and a plot hole.

_Bootstrap Paradox!_ Sally photographs the Angels, gives them to the Doctor, the Angels are brought to life, Sally photographs the Angels, gives them to the Doctor, the Angels are brought to life, Sally photographs the Angels, etc., etc. My question is this...