Did Jay Z Get Washed By Eminem on “Renegade” ? Fans Debate

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@calvinsmith5272 8 месяцев назад

Jay z already admitted to this so why is this even still a conversation lol

@jalazel6447 8 месяцев назад

Hov isn't corny enough to say he won 😂

@wulaeofthetengu8336 8 месяцев назад

@@jalazel6447You're pathetic. Just fiending for ways to hate. Nas on Ether is the one who said Eminem washed Hov on Renegade. Gtfoh.

@DaAvatar100 8 месяцев назад

Because it's hip hop

@calvinsmith5272 8 месяцев назад

@@jalazel6447 go do your research young fella

@backatitagain20 8 месяцев назад

So butt hurt people like you can keep getting mad

@DarkshadowXD63 8 месяцев назад

"And Eminem murdered you on your own shit" Nas- lol you know the track

@dianevrules 8 месяцев назад

But Nas got washed by AZ, Mega, Hov, Eminem, The Game, Kiss, Pun, etc. I would say Canibus. but Nas was bird chested af to get on Desperadoes with Canibus. Nas took so many f8&&& loses, it's ridiculous. HBD Nas!!!!!!!!!!! he just hit 50 Today. But didnt release bs Magic 3 Today. I guess that bs would be released tomorrow. It's going wood.

@markmercado89 8 месяцев назад

Then Em murdered nas on his own shit as well🤣🤣🤣

@meladgoat 8 месяцев назад

ya bodyguard oochie wally verse was better than yours. matter fact you had the worse flow on the whole f'n song. both can be true but i would rather lose to eminem than somebody's bluntroller.

@TransKidsMafia 8 месяцев назад

Em killed him on his own shit everybody know that

@omizzy20 8 месяцев назад

50 killed him on the Reebok commercial.

@meladgoat 8 месяцев назад

fair enough, but ya bodyguard oochie wally verse was better than yours. matter fact you had the worse flow on the whole f'n song. both can be true but i would rather lose to eminem than somebody's bluntroller.

@-dystopic- 8 месяцев назад

I wouldn’t say Em washed him but he definitely had a better verse.

@GetRocStar 8 месяцев назад

I think Em flow is better , not the lyrics

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

Em washed him. No way around this.

@t.jlester3363 8 месяцев назад

People tend to forget this song was originally Royce da 59 & em. Em never even changed the verse once jay got on it

@alexbarrett1805 8 месяцев назад

Thank you. Finally someone that knows.

@fatedsculpture2596 8 месяцев назад

I think Jay Z’s verses were very good but those are some of the best verses Eminem ever spit.

@tobysparrow69 8 месяцев назад

Em was a beast at the time of course he did

@dkmma3312 8 месяцев назад

At the time? Who's out doing eminem in a collab today? 😅 just saying

@RoninTheBlackFox 8 месяцев назад

Facts

@RoninTheBlackFox 8 месяцев назад

@@dkmma3312Busta did. I guess the Stan’s missed that. But styles are not the predictor of better rappers.

@ramonetullonge9229 8 месяцев назад

@shawnstewart476 bro u can't be talking about calm down?? That track was obvious a tie 😂😂😂

@RashadDecosta 8 месяцев назад

Em had the better flow, but Jay said the doper shit. I know I’m the minority opinion, don’t care 🤷🏾‍♂️

@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH 8 месяцев назад

Same thing I think.

@mattyamweelo6027 8 месяцев назад

I feel the same way.

@BensyBens 8 месяцев назад

Yes! To be honest this isn’t originally a jay-z song, it’s a royce da 5’9’’ song. And funny enough even on the royce version both wash jay-z and em had the same verses just with mentions to royce that’s removed from the final version. Even after jay got the em verses he couldn’t do a better job than eminem.

@jasonford6679 8 месяцев назад

I was scrolling to see if someone was going to mention Royce. Doesn’t get the credit he should on this topic.

@BensyBens 8 месяцев назад

@@jasonford6679 the casual audience doesn’t even know the original version exists. I respect the jay z version because it’s impact the hip hop industry and made everyone sell better, em brought jay into a lot of white peoples houses. But if not for bad meets evil this track didn’t even existed.

@antoiner3820 8 месяцев назад

@@BensyBensthat would be TRL.

@thefly1203 8 месяцев назад

Jay Z did great : Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it? I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles Pockets filled with a lotta lint, not a cent Gotta vent, lotta innocent lives lost on the project bench What you hollerin'? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in Do not step to me, I'm awkward, I box lefty An orphan my pops left me and often my momma wasn't home Could not stress to me, I wasn't grown But Em still killed him 😂

@meshachelemhntstageshowpag4329 8 месяцев назад

Nas is the reason they think otherwise

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

@@meshachelemhntstageshowpag4329Nah. I knew jay got washed before I heard Ether. It was obvious.

@endofthestory9412 8 месяцев назад

@@meshachelemhntstageshowpag4329nah people been saying that Eminem washed jay on the track that’s why nas even said it on the track

@brickflipper5273 8 месяцев назад

Jigga murdered track while EM was saying whatever he was saying. Who understood his line? 😂😂😂

@sultan788 8 месяцев назад

@@meshachelemhntstageshowpag4329 don't try to change history. People was already saying Eminem beat him on that song, Nas just said what everyone else was thinking it's why Nas' diss was so effective. He was just telling the truth and it hurt. If it was a lie, it wouldn't be so impactful

@keyrongeorge2314 8 месяцев назад

Em won☝🏿💯

@KontryBoy706 8 месяцев назад

Yes Eminem had the better verse. Notice the question has never been “did Jay out rap Eminem”? It’s always been “did Jay get out rapped by Eminem”. That says a lot. I remember when it dropped back then and I don’t remember nobody I knew saying Em didn’t have the better verse. When Nas said it on Ether he basically said what the underground talk already was for months.

@megabkny 8 месяцев назад

That’s your opinion I disagree

@KontryBoy706 8 месяцев назад

@@megabkny here’s a 🍪 for you telling me that 😂

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

@@megabknyEm's flow & wordplay was simply better. But you appear to be from brooklyn. So you gotta rep for your home team. I understand.

@megabkny 8 месяцев назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 I used to say that when it first came out now it’s different Jay verse hits harder……Em verse was prepared before jay am I lying? Wasn’t Royce on it first? Blame Nas Jay did it to Nas too 🤷‍♂️🤔🤣🤣🤣

@Beatsxnova 8 месяцев назад

I’m from NY too… Hov spit a visual picture that hit home when he stated “by the bodega/ Iron under coat feeling braver/durag strap’n my waves up/pockets full of hope…” I felt that….Thats so NY. I dnt expect everyone to relate. Em’s verse was just as amazing and would appeal to a broader audience but IMO less impactful to me personally.

@Doer231 8 месяцев назад

No man! It’s a showcase of two of the greatest rappers, totally on par on that tune!

@sephjonesMD 8 месяцев назад

I mean that whole song was already done before Jay-Z even hopped on it, they just took Royce off, So it wasn't like Jay didn't know Eminem had already bodied it before he got it. Nobody was going to out shine Em on that song no matter who you put in that spot, even Royce got washed on the original. You could put 100 people on that record at that time, and get the same outcome...

@saddambakari6921 8 месяцев назад

talk that talk

@Braillionaire 8 месяцев назад

Truth here

@patrickchege58 8 месяцев назад

Let's not forget that em produced it and wrote the hook, AND rapped circles around 1 of the best in the game. Tbh, renegade is what made rappers and a lot of black folks finally respect and accept em

@jaysusbk 8 месяцев назад

I don't think this song changed anyone's opinion about Em. A rapper who got skills and spits like crazy but only talks about drugs, his mom, Kim and clowns pop stars.

@patrickchege58 8 месяцев назад

@@jaysusbk Ja Rule, is that you? Em is one of the best lyricists of all time, and if you're an actual hip-hop head, you would know that even old school greats including the likes of rakim, Kane, ll, Warren g, redman etc have all said the same thing

@b1ackrang3rzack86 8 месяцев назад

I love Jay but I gotta give it to Em by a small margin cuz Em didn't change his verse from the original with Royce

@danheald4743 8 месяцев назад

Em’s verse - 10/10 Jay’s verse - 9/10

@omizzy20 8 месяцев назад

Jay Z groupies with the excuses in 3,2,1 😂😂😂😂

@kyleoctavious8993 8 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@L.A.2ThaBay 8 месяцев назад

And stans with the “nobody is better than Eminem” in 3,2,1

@3trakman3 8 месяцев назад

U must be 1 of the Pac groupies to make a post like this about HOV😂. Jay Z fans are usually realistic with the arguments.....and they all would tell u Em had the better verses. They also know washed is an overstatement. What are these excuses u speak of?? Im genuinely curious

@cperkins5050 8 месяцев назад

Real rap vs random rapping

@spree2k3 8 месяцев назад

The song was originally Eminem’s. The original renegade featuring Royce the 59. Jayz added his verse after and replaced Royce. So he knew what Eminem spit before he recorded his verses. Still Eminem did have the better verse

@Swimm12984 8 месяцев назад

The Snoop commentary was crazy lmaoooo

@SuperCVelocity 8 месяцев назад

Omao😂that whistle too

@ryanj1227 8 месяцев назад

Eminem had the better verse. Em's bars and flow were more interesting. Blueprint was such a good record. My favorite Jay album, actually. The production by Kanye and Just Blaze was amazing.

@thefly1203 8 месяцев назад

No skips

@3trakman3 8 месяцев назад

Front to back......all quality....lyrics and production. If it wasn't for streaming......so many still wouldn't know about Lyrical Exercise and Girls, Girls, Girls 2 lol. 3rd greatest rap album in my book. Right under All Eyes On Me and Aquemini

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

Blueprint is jay's strongest & most confident album. He still stole from others in order to get it done though.

@terrellp22 8 месяцев назад

blueprint anniversary? that album came out in 2001, kinda weird doing an anniversary 22 years later, but I don't think anyone got "washed" imo because I never looked at the song as a competition, I looked at it as a dope song by two of the biggest & top-selling rap stars at that time 🤷🏾‍♂️

@LembeckIsStaying 8 месяцев назад

Any feature is a competition when it comes to emcees, this ain't country or some boy band ish.

@terrellp22 8 месяцев назад

@@LembeckIsStaying I never said it was country or some boy band ish, so idk where you got that assumption from, all I said was I never looked at the song as a competition

@ombotimbe 8 месяцев назад

I'm with you

@terrellp22 8 месяцев назад

@@ombotimbe peace bro 🙏🏾

@icecoldnewz 8 месяцев назад

Jay admitted he got out rap and nas said the same thing as well why is this still even a conversation 2 legends giving another legend his props

@steve-ie6ju 8 месяцев назад

Nobody talks about Eminem's song Syllables where Jay-Z didn't get outrapped/showed up by Eminem. Too bad for Jay-Z nobody talks about it and not many people even know about it

@pasarades 8 месяцев назад

Cause that song was never released , it was around the time Em relapsed and he scrapped alot of music and then it leaked

@parthkalia1118 8 месяцев назад

Jay Z new when he got his white brother Eminem on the song called renegade the honest truth about that song Royce da 5’9” cool rated renegade with Eminem but Eminem told his friend his brother Royce da 5’9”. Let’s send it to Jay Z. Jay Z should’ve known any song of collaboration Eminem. Does he just destroy everyone that’s is why he’s a legend.

@mrmigs3817 8 месяцев назад

Jay did get washed BUT em is definitely TO ME the better and memorable veese

@Thecallmemisterajp 8 месяцев назад

Em had the better verse, but I don’t think he washed Jay. Jay’s second verse especially goes hard af imo.

@DMon850 8 месяцев назад

Jay was shit whole song

@mattyamweelo6027 8 месяцев назад

Jays message was deeper through out the song

@PandaDonG 8 месяцев назад

Royce put it best, Em attacked the beat better, his verses have more replay value because of how he flows over the beat. That’s on top of how relevant his subject matter was. HOV’s unorthodox flow is dope, but to a more casual lister, Em just sounds better regardless of the content.

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

@@PandaDonGJay took a personal approach. Em addressed being a renegade to society at large, plus at that specific moment in time, he had the resume to back up what he was saying. That's why Em's verses connected harder (pause), in addition to his flow & wordplay being A1. There was no way jay could overshadow him on that track. He would've been better off just keeping the song away from his album and/or letting Em put it on the 8 Mile Soundtrack or The Eminem Show.

@jacobj347 8 месяцев назад

Let's be real Eminem had the better verse. Jay even had the benefit of hearing Em's verse beforehand.

@mattyamweelo6027 8 месяцев назад

Not true

@BensyBens 8 месяцев назад

⁠@@mattyamweelo6027 the song wasn’t even a jay-z track originally, it’s was supposed to be on royce da 5’9’’ debuted album. The reason why it’s didn’t make it to royce album is because Jay wanted eminem on the blueprint 1 and that’s few weeks before release and they didn’t have time to record and produce a new track so em ask royce if he can give jay-z the renegade track and Royce agreed. This is why em verses are the same on both versions and jay’s heard em before recording and still em did better verses. Also that’s a fact royce said it a lot in interviews and the original bad meets evil version of renegade is on this platform.

@jacobj347 8 месяцев назад

@mattyamweelo6027 yes, fact actually.

@mattyamweelo6027 8 месяцев назад

@@BensyBens i know the story. But Em Recorded new verses . The verses with royce were different. Fact stands jays bars were harder . His message was more powerful. All Eminem did was put words together as usual.. but no captivating message to say

@BensyBens 8 месяцев назад

@@mattyamweelo6027 em didn’t recorded anything new. Same verses just remove the Royce mention when the scratch in the jay z version. Jay washed by eminem and he heard the original royce track that’s a fact.

@mr219gip5210 8 месяцев назад

From one goat to another goat, Jay already said his peace on this, yet ppl still wanna bring this up like it was yesterday.. Em killed the joint, flatout.. Now lets leave it at that!

@jp-uno 8 месяцев назад

Snoop Hilarious!!! 🤣🤣🤣

@fuckooo 8 месяцев назад

"Eminem murdered you on your own shit"

@dianevrules 8 месяцев назад

But Nas got washed by Horse, AZ, Mega, Hov, Eminem, The Game, Kiss, Pun, etc. I would say Canibus. but Nas was bird chested af to get on Desperadoes with Canibus. Nas took so many f8&&& loses, it's ridiculous. Plus Hov had Nas's baby mama on all four.

@fuckooo 8 месяцев назад

@@dianevrules Nas > Jay

@robbyworldwide4740 8 месяцев назад

If Nas didn't say that in Ether...it wouldn't be a debate today

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

No, in real life it was already being said before Ether came out.

@sephjonesMD 8 месяцев назад

He was just salty that Jay said his body guard had a better verse on oochie wally. I'll take getting washed by a prime eminem over the hired help any day...lol

@dianevrules 8 месяцев назад

@@sephjonesMD Naw he was salty that Hov had Nas's baby mama on all fours

@3trakman3 8 месяцев назад

Washed is an overstatement. Em definitely had the better verses. But I think its too many people who don't have a full or good understanding of "wordplay" and "unorthodox rhyme scheming" that are saying he got washed.

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

Lol. Nah. Jay got washed. Y'all naysayers gotta come to terms with this.

@3trakman3 8 месяцев назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 Lol.....u must be 1 of those people I'm talking about.

@BostonGhost617 8 месяцев назад

Eminem was still in his slim shady bag at that time

@MrJaffacakes1234 8 месяцев назад

Em of course

@Braillionaire 8 месяцев назад

Man... this song was such a moment. I actually go back and forth with who's verses I like better depending on the year. I keep going back and actually hearing new things which shifts my opinion. That's how dope both of their verses were. Rhyme scheme wise, lyrically, the metaphors. All of it was on point!

@tawho30 8 месяцев назад

Eminem was just a beast, look at the way he chewed up lil wayne on No Love, weezy was hyping eminem the whole verse 😂

@warshallwathers7971 8 месяцев назад

*YES.*

@erictheredxiii 8 месяцев назад

I actually like Jay-Z's verse more

@supermcfly100 8 месяцев назад

Same. I was amazed by Eminem’s flow but the things Jay z was saying hits way harder.

@katrinaOoki 8 месяцев назад

nope em more harder verse than jay

@supermcfly100 8 месяцев назад

@@katrinaOoki I can relate more to what Jay said than what em said.

@GetRocStar 8 месяцев назад

Honestly Em just rapped faster. Jay verse was more relatable.

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

No, no, no, no! Lol. Jay rapped from a personal perspective. Em rapped from the POV of being a renegade to society. You can take it how you want, but Em won that. Easy

@GetRocStar 8 месяцев назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 oh imo Jay verse was better and I could relate to it.

@STARK0181 8 месяцев назад

@@GetRocStarfair. but Ems verses we're also relatable, he made you feel what it's like to live in a world that's against you. We've all felt unfairly cornered and antagonized at some point in our lives. That was Ems relatable message in those verses. Also, he wasn't just "rapping faster". He verses we're just technically superior to Jays. His flow was smoother, his rhyme schemes were more intricate, better wordplay etc. Em has always been a more technically proficient MC than Jay.

@GetRocStar 8 месяцев назад

@@STARK0181 bro “I actually had to hustle, back to the wall, ashy knuckles,” shyt I still do. Jay verse is more relevant & relatable.

@mpmali3181 8 месяцев назад

Em murder you on your Owen track!! 😂

@ggallintedtalk 8 месяцев назад

Jay wipes Eminem’s discography off the planet .. so it don’t matter

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

Idk. Definitely not sells wise. Jay stole from others a bit too much for my liking. He's kinda like lebron. If you take away every album that he borrowed from someone else, what does he gave left? Beyoncé? 🤔

@ggallintedtalk 8 месяцев назад

@@melvinhhcp3615 Every great artist steals and who cares about sales .. if we were on sales then Drake would be over everyone but it’s quality over quantity and Eminem has been dropping dog shit albums for 20 years .. 4:44 is a CLASSIC, Eminem hasn’t dropped that in a long time and definitely has never dropped something as mature and concise.

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

@@ggallintedtalk Oh... your point about Drake is valid, but Em not so much. We def don't agree about 4:44. Lol... He's dropped mature & concise music. It just wasn't felt en masse because it was coming from a white POV. Btw, Em is the only white rapper that I legit vouch for. All of the others were non factors.

@nobullzone8394 8 месяцев назад

I'm a big fan of Jay-Z lyrics but on this particular song Eminem's lyrics hit home to a lot of people especially those in the religious sector and his verse still speaks to this day! Us as a society we are so full with ego that we point the finger instead of looking in the mirror at our own past mistakes as we sit on a high horse of judgement!

@Braillionaire 8 месяцев назад

MAN... for real. I get confused when people say Em wasn't talking about anything on that song. His verses were poignant to this day. You could also take his verses and apply them to the conversation in the public sphere around hip-hop as a whole. He articulated perfectly what the majority and older white culture in the media thought of hip-hop at the time.

@sidburn123 8 месяцев назад

"Eminem murdered you on your own shit" - nas

@STARK0181 8 месяцев назад

Lol

@camronshean1758 8 месяцев назад

0:32 Jay-Z - Already Home: "Oh, they call me a Camel, but I mastered the drought, what the fuck I'm an animal, half man, half mammal"

@sickamorestylz 8 месяцев назад

When I was younger I always said Em’ had the better verse cause of the way he was flowing, his rhyme scheme and delivery. But now that I’m older I can honestly say Jay had the better and more relatable verse. Not hating on Em’ whatsoever cause he’s one of my goats all time, he’s even one of my fav producers, though he’s only done a number of beats that I now of. This Renegade beat is one of Em’s bests!!

@Braillionaire 8 месяцев назад

Man... a few years ago, I felt the same way. But then I went back and listened to Em's verse recently just thinking about the content, and realized, I actually ignored the content because of how good the verse sounded, but the content is definitely there! Jay's verse was underrated imo, but Em's flow actually outshined his own content lol Right now, I've gotta give it to Em, at least thinking about the second verses (which are my favorite at the moment).

@sexyslimmw 8 месяцев назад

Washed him like some dishes.

@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH 8 месяцев назад

Depends all on what you can relate to. I can relate to Jay more than Eminem.

@3trakman3 8 месяцев назад

Sooo the better verse depends on how relatable it is?? Super unfair.....and idiotic if u ask me.

@melvinhhcp3615 8 месяцев назад

That goes without saying. Jay is Black. So his narrative as a Black man should connect harder than hearing the perspective of Em as a White man. Em still won if you're being completely honest.

@steve-ie6ju 8 месяцев назад

Funny thing is that Nas said that Eminem murdered Jay-Z on his own shit in his song Ether but Eminem probably would've also outperformed Nas as well had they been on a song together in 2001

@TyGoGetum 8 месяцев назад

Em had a better flow. On his own beat. Nuff said

@camronshean1758 8 месяцев назад

Jay-Z - A Star Is Born: "What Em did was silly. The white boy blossomed after Dre endorsed him, his flow on Renegade, fuckin' awesome, applaud him"

@nikk796 8 месяцев назад

Eminem Buried Jay-Z on that track

@yusifvaliyev9748 8 месяцев назад

I think what makes Em’s Renegade verse so great is the fact that Jay Z actually spit one of his best verses ever on that track AND HE STILL GOT WASHED.

@Beatsxnova 8 месяцев назад

One of his greatest verses? lol

@yusifvaliyev9748 8 месяцев назад

@@Beatsxnova Yes exactly. That “Do you listen to music or just skim through it” part is probably the most quoted Jay Z lyric

@Beatsxnova 8 месяцев назад

@@yusifvaliyev9748 Nah your 100 percent right on that one. Thats a heavy hip hop quotable.

@tadiwatamanikwanyamazunzu1925 8 месяцев назад

I never knew Renegade was a diss track, let alone a competition track between Emi and Jigga. People should just learn to appreciate music as it is.. Having a better or tight verse on a song doesn't mean th other part has been destroyed.. It ain't a diss track its a collab

@eminemfan50098 8 месяцев назад

You do not understand music discourse or music fans. We ARE enjoying the music as it is. Discussing and debating who had the better verse is part of the fun.

@tadiwatamanikwanyamazunzu1925 8 месяцев назад

@@eminemfan50098 let me reiterate my point in a much more simpler format. My point is, there is a huge difference when one says so n so had a better verse than their counterpart on a certain song than having someone saying so and so had Destroyed their counterpart on a certain song. The virtue that we have used the term Destroyed it means somehow there was a competition done or the verses were directed to one another.. Hope u have received a free lesson son

@markmercado89 8 месяцев назад

When a player is MVP they give him a trophy & like Big L said "I'm the most valuable poet on the m-i-c"!! In the army the soldiers are on the same side but get a medal 4 who did the most kills or most saves,etc. Everything is a comp.

@tadiwatamanikwanyamazunzu1925 8 месяцев назад

@@markmercado89 thanx for the enlightenment

@--REGULAR--REGULAR 8 месяцев назад

Jay lyrically is not on black thought, nas, em or andre level. Before I heard renegade i knew jay was gonna get washed. I still prefer to listen to jays music but he's not a better lyricist than em respectfully.

@chelosking985 8 месяцев назад

This old 20 year old conversation. Clearly they was just looking for anything to post/talk about. Whats next? Who had the best diss Jay z or nas? 😭

@Swimm12984 8 месяцев назад

This a debate? Em crushed him on this. Jay knows this so y'all gotta know this

@backatitagain20 8 месяцев назад

Just a reminder hehe

@phillyblunts914 8 месяцев назад

One of the greatest lies ever told

@farwestvenicenative0623 8 месяцев назад

Jay-Z verses were legit!! foSHO. Eminem just tuck it some where else entirely, and for ever has made Em my favorite rapper.

@meladgoat 8 месяцев назад

ok fair enough. but did nas bodyguard wash nas on oochie wally tho?

@sportsfan7012 8 месяцев назад

That was Eminem song that he already did with Royce, they removed Royce’s verse and Jayz jumped on it

@rayhanq6715 8 месяцев назад

REAL TALK WORD UP!

@stefanwebster1059 8 месяцев назад

Em just white….that’s it.

@jaysonsilva4499 8 месяцев назад

What’s really funny is this song and hook was already recorded by em and Royce years earlier they just took Royce off

@user-oc3nw5tg9c 8 месяцев назад

Depends on the person I like jay verse better I don't relate to that horror core physco rapppity rap shit

@sergiogarcia5593 8 месяцев назад

What it took to outdo Jay in 2001? The greatest diss track ever and the greatest feature ever. Put some respect on Hov’s name. Em outdid him but his verses were great.

@saddambakari6921 8 месяцев назад

that song was tailor made for em even nas couldnt stand a chance

@BreeDxLeaD 8 месяцев назад

Eminem did what he does. I don't think he washed Jay or had a better verse. Em just did what he does. Its like saying kendrick washed the people who featured him on their songs. No one got washed. These artists just do what they were called for. If you ask an artist for a feature, you ask that artist based on what they do best. If you took any em verse from that era and put it on renagade, it would still sound like Jay got washed. Em was just doing what he usually does on his own songs in terms of cadence, rhyming etc.

@Jack_Lange 8 месяцев назад

Washed? Hardly. Both emcee's dropped 2 flawless verses, Eminem's was arguably slightly better.

@andresciahooten9598 8 месяцев назад

Doesn’t anyone know that Eminem had used that verse from another song that he had did with Royce Da 5’9? That’s where ha had gotten his part from

@elijahashman9716 8 месяцев назад

Jay Already Said This why we going back and forth

@cperkins5050 8 месяцев назад

It’s a difference between metaphors and real rap.

@holymsophy 8 месяцев назад

Please, tell me the difference. 🤔🤔🤔 Y'all come up with all these adages just to not say anything of substance.

@RTC922 8 месяцев назад

YES, nex question

@iUploadTracks 8 месяцев назад

I couldn’t relate to nothing Eminem rapped about on “Renegade”… Jay-Z verses was always better because it was actually what’s going on in reality especially in the ghetto

@knight7se7en 8 месяцев назад

22 years and I’ve never understood this sentiment. Yes Eminem had the better verse, but it’s not like he was competing with Jay-Z on the song. They were talking about two different topics. It’s not like Control where Kendrick literally called out his contemporaries on the same song he was on with them.

@holymsophy 8 месяцев назад

Are you hip-hop tho? 🤔🤔🤔 Because if you were, you'd understand... It's always a competition

@dianevrules 8 месяцев назад

WTF are you talking about???? Hov was competing with a years old verse from gibberish Eminem.

@DavidZZidane10 8 месяцев назад

@@dianevrules the fact that Em's verses were already made and Jay heard them before he laid down his, had all the time in the world to actually come up with better verses than Em tells you just how good Em's verses are. I ain't no stan by any means but Em's verses on Renegade are some of the best Hip Hop verses of all time.

@markmercado89 8 месяцев назад

Did u even listen!? They bof speakin about struggle & bein hated on.

@happyreally5313 6 месяцев назад

Well that was a money move by jay-z. Jay didn’t care who win he got paid that what matters

@RedTought 8 месяцев назад

This is not even a conversation anymore. Yes, He got washed.

@Joeljaboy 8 месяцев назад

Yeah, and that was Jay’s 9/11 lmaoooo

@L.A.2ThaBay 8 месяцев назад

What did Eminem say on that song that was so much better than Jay? It’s like mfs go out of their way to just kiss Eminem’s azz…yeah dude’s verse was good but so was Jay’s, I don’t think one was any better than the other.

@ibrahimadabo9417 8 месяцев назад

nobody has beaten Eminem in a featuring. its not even a question lol

@Tonyoung55 8 месяцев назад

To be honest you can argue en killed him twice. Because Jay Wrote Dre verses for Forgot about Dre and Eminem verse was better and flow was crazy but Dre was saying some dope shit. Knowing Jay wrote those verses I always imagine him saying it

@mikhelBrown 8 месяцев назад

Really? I specifically remember Dre saying *'Em wrote the Song'.* Didn't know Hov wrote Dre's verse. 💯

@Tonyoung55 8 месяцев назад

@@mikhelBrown naw Jay wrote his verses

@Tonyoung55 8 месяцев назад

@@mikhelBrown you can RU-vid it I’m sure people have made videos on the back story

@mattyamweelo6027 8 месяцев назад

Jay wrote still Dre. Stop lying. Masterpiece.

@Tonyoung55 8 месяцев назад

@@mattyamweelo6027 bro relax wth lol honest mistake. I just double checked. Both songs got Dre name in it

@MusiqIzMe23 8 месяцев назад

Most definitely

@Chris_Shoaf 8 месяцев назад

Yes Em wiped Jay

@fredrickkun 8 месяцев назад

It would be nice two talk about Jay Z and Eminem Artist that is Female Woman or Other including them old Needs to support and help the new artist without thinking about sexual flavours so the artist can be On top with out them being on top of the bottom splitting hairs 🃏

@Beatsxnova 8 месяцев назад

No one killed anyone IMO…. They both killed from two different levels of greatness. Jay was supa cold and cool NY on a track 💯. Em went supa sayin lyrical miracle on his shit witch was fire as well. I appreciated both verses the same. Two different individual personalities/perspectives… overall one of the best displays of hip hop ever put forth. Simply… AMAZING!

@themayne6303 8 месяцев назад

Foh @ the end of the day the song was cohesive & it didnt sound like they were trying to out rap each other.

@gingermcginge6466 8 месяцев назад

Is this actual up for debate?

@Panicbot92 8 месяцев назад

We still doing this 🤦

@davemcg915 8 месяцев назад

Why is this still a debate? Em was a beast on that track...so was Jay but Em tipped it... Seems the white boy is always questioned on his craft.. I remember my uncle had a mash up over the renegade beat and LL cool J sounded awesome over it

@alexbarrett1805 8 месяцев назад

It's Em and Royce song. Jay jumped on they song.

@bigproofofd12forever77 8 месяцев назад

Good old times! D12 4 EVER

@jg5004 8 месяцев назад

Jay Z is the only rapper to get eithered and renegeded.

@nathansmith766 8 месяцев назад

That song is cold 💯💯🔥🔥

@markmercado89 8 месяцев назад

j got washed,dried,folded,& put in a drawer never 2 be worn again!!!!😂😂😂

@danaholland1491 8 месяцев назад

If you from a different walk of life Jay verse 🔥🔥

@DigitalMusk 8 месяцев назад

There will never be a time when Eminem doesn't out-rap Jay-Z. Jay-Z isnt even a top streamed artist 😂

@realjackson5108 8 месяцев назад

Mfkahs from the hood understand jay verse the hiphop nerds fucked with ems verse simple totally two different perspectives

@ends15 8 месяцев назад

This is just more Jay hate and riding with the Nas wrote. Since when before this did anyone care about having a ill rap verse on YOUR ALBUM? but after Nad said what he said, the narrative changes