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Did Lisanne Froon forget to change the date? How Did This Happen? 

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In this video we will look into how the 2013 date on the Canon SX270 HS may have happened. And look at a few other key features of the Canon SX270 HS.
Thanks to Robert for sending me the Canon SX270 HS
Robert's RU-vid channel.
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@ergitab1123
@ergitab1123 Год назад
Please don't stop making videos about this case. I might be totally wrong, but I have a feeling that there is much more to this than we already know, and we might be not too far from finding it out!
@Limit5482
@Limit5482 Год назад
No chance. It’s over. 100% murder but can never be proven
@arthursoesman
@arthursoesman Год назад
thanks for your work! I hope this case will be resolved someday. greetings from the Netherlands
@ButNotForgotten
@ButNotForgotten Год назад
Hi, Back Packer Coach; awesome analysis as usual, and thanks for the shout-out for my channel in this episode. I look forward to seeing what other gems you uncover in your camera experiments. I see a tear forming in Feliciano's eye.
@simdal3088
@simdal3088 Год назад
I see a coach video, i click.
@abhishekpas
@abhishekpas Год назад
This case is highly unsettling. I have been doing my own research on this case for a long time. I hope the girl' s parents get the answer. Greetings from India
@Sandoz-tq7qj
@Sandoz-tq7qj 9 месяцев назад
Did you find an answer after your researches ? Lost, injured, fall, attacked by wild beasts, foul play, rape, murder, Hotspring, human trafficking, organ harvesting or what ? what do you believe ?
@abhishekpas
@abhishekpas 9 месяцев назад
@@Sandoz-tq7qj yes, I think they were exhausted and waited at the bridge to get help. They most likely got help and were kidnapped later for organ trafficking.
@Ecceee570
@Ecceee570 Год назад
Maybe Lisanne didnt care much and set the date and time wrong or there was an issue with the rtc (real time clock) battery . If you search it up online there are plenty of people saying similar models of canon powershot series give this error and show time differently on pc after turning off the device. Also this camera is from the HS series meaning it can take low light level photos. Considering Lisanne knew this since its her camera the reason why the night photos were taken may be to see what is around her and not to send signals.🤔
@dragonballradiant2744
@dragonballradiant2744 Год назад
You really think she would’ve had the cognitive ability to do this in the manner that she did. That she just magically had knowledge of cameras like this
@farmerfox3332
@farmerfox3332 Год назад
Keep up great work!
@susannemackenzie8469
@susannemackenzie8469 Год назад
I had a very similar camera years ago and the date and time were wrong most of the time because I couldn't be bothered fixing it..
@BackpackerCoach
@BackpackerCoach Год назад
Interesting note about this camera. If you don't set the date and time and skip it. If you look at the exif data the photo will say it was shot in 1980. 😆
@jimmyranaway
@jimmyranaway Год назад
Most of South America doesn't even use daylight saving's time...
@dylanclements2485
@dylanclements2485 Год назад
Great research again 👍
@seoul_mate
@seoul_mate Год назад
Thank you so much for the video.🙂
@rizer5795
@rizer5795 Год назад
Great video, thanks for being so thorough...Couple of things; would not the iPhone have picked up the correct local time from its connection with Panama mobile network? Second thing, no front facing camera on the iPhone for selfies?
@renaminginprogress6903
@renaminginprogress6903 Год назад
Good thinking man. Insightful and thought provoking.
@mr.b.3633
@mr.b.3633 Год назад
Very nice and quality Information. I wish you were the investigator for that case back in the days.
@eddyrayland3720
@eddyrayland3720 Год назад
saludos desde Bocas del Toro. Panamá.
@devonboulden2496
@devonboulden2496 Год назад
I have a question for that particular camera. If you have 100 photos and you delete the last 10, does the camera keep numbering at 101 or does it go back to 91? If the numbering goes back to 91, then a lot of photos could have been deleted. Maybe the night photos served 2 purposes. The 1st would have been to throw people off the trail and create more mystery. And the 2nd purpose would have been to fill up the memory card to write over the deleted photos. I'm also curious if anyone has explored other hiking trails to try to get a match on where those night photos were taken. If I'm not mistaken, the night photos were taken during or after the time when the trail to the monkey bridge was already being searched. Of course, you can't tell that with an incorrect date.
@simdal3088
@simdal3088 Год назад
Those 100 pics were probably made to write over some memory blocks.
@PygmalionFaciebat
@PygmalionFaciebat Год назад
They startet with image 476 on 1th april , and ended with image 609 on 8th April. .. Thats 133 images they shot in total between 1th april and 8th april. If we assume that Lisanne didnt charged up her camera (which mostly isnt necessary when it has enough battery for that 5 hour trip to El Mirador), and if we further assume that 609 was the last picture before the battery died in the camera , and if we know: the camera can take 210 pictures (as you mentioned), from which 133 was taken until the battery died, that means appr: 133 / 210 = 0,636--> 63,6 % battery was at least in the camera, when Lisanne started her hike with Kris. It was probably more than 63,6% because the night shots used the flash - and 100 flash-fotos for sure use more battery, than regular shots. Probably it was around 70-80 % juice in it in the morning of 1th April , if we calculate that it lost around 1% due to battery draining withoud usage in one week. Meaning: i dont agree with you, that she made efford to charge and replace the battery on 31. march. She shot with the camera the days before, and there was plenty of battery left for the 1st April , therefore she didnt charged it. I tend to believe that indeed the camera wasnt more charged than 80% (?), because the last picture was shot a lot after image 609. Around an hour later or so. I strongly assume that was due to the reason, that the camera shut down at 608 because of low power. The battery usually can recover a little bit after a time (a hour or so), to make another last shot before it shuts down again. And that was probably the reason why image 609 was possible. This behavior also very much supports the ''girls got lost''-theory ... at least until 8th april. If there was criminal action involved it must have happened after 8th april (in my opinion even after 11th april, because on 11th April the behavior how Kris phone was used, fits perfectly how Lisanne uses phones (for long periods of time (she did it with her own phone and powerdrained it in the first days completely). Btw - because you have the camera... is it really necessary to take the battery out to charge the camera ? Isnt it possible to charge the battery while its in the camera ? Connecting the camera to some sort of power supply ?
@BackpackerCoach
@BackpackerCoach Год назад
Thanks for your reply. I really want to dive deeper into the battery life and number of shots. The only way to charge the battery is to take the battery out and charge it in the charger. You CAN NOT connect the camera to some sort of power supply. I have tried it. It doesn't do anything.
@PygmalionFaciebat
@PygmalionFaciebat Год назад
​@@BackpackerCoach I see - ok thats really unconveniant, if the user always has to set the time and date after he/she charged the battery. Very strange technology. Because as you demonstrated: the camera forgets time and date after 30 seconds of battery out. Raises questions -why Lisanne didnt set the correct date and time, but the London time, and why the month and day was correct but the year wasnt. I cant explain that with .. even a criminal has no reason to only set half of the date, and set the minutes correct, but the hour not. It would be good, if we had exif Data from the march-pictures. Because then we could know for sure, that there is some ''saving option for the time and date ?'' ... Very odd. Yes it could be interesting to do the test with flash - how many pictures can taken with flash. Btw - i am very much on the side of the ''lost girls''-theory, and not on the side of 'faul play' . I like on your videos that you pick up even small details of the pictures, which not many people would see. I liked that detail, when you explained that the investigators tried to fit the camera-time with the wrist-watch-time. Many people on the internet interpreted it as ''did the investigators just claimed that the girls worn wrist-watches ?'' ... Its much more plausible as you explained: that they used the foto where a guy had a wristwatch on. But i also have to say: even when you see a lot of details, i am often not agreeing with your conclusions. For instance, when you said: that in the reflection of the glasses of the girls there is a smartphone-stick. Thats really not the case. Sure, it looks long and distorted in the sunglasses, but thats really the arm of Kris. Because there are two distortions happening: the distortion by the camera lens, and the distortion by the sunglasses itself (those are not perfectly flat - and even if they were: perspective is also a big thing in that). Another thing is the ''odd'' breast of Lisanne on El Mirador. As far i remember you take that as proof for foto manipulation. But also that isnt the case. I see four main reasons for the strange breast 1) again distortion by lens (the more something is on the side of a frame, the more distorted it is.. you can recreate this : drawing two circles on paper.. one in the middle of the paper, the second on the side... than you make a foto of it with Lisannes camera .. you will see: the circle on the side will be squished, and even appear a little bigger) .. 2) woman often have two different sized breasts.. really they arent exactly the same size .. 3) light can make a big effect how objects appear.. when the left breast has light, and the other breast doesnt have light, the other breast can look more flat) ...4) last but not least: a shifted bra (Lisanne and Kris quiet often changed the backpack .. this fact together with a quiet hard and fast hike can do such things). Also women tend to buy a bit bigger bra's then they have breasts (and Lisanne had smaller breasts then Kris)... A bigger bra can shift much easier than a fitting bra. All these effects (but mainly the camera lens distortion and light) explain the breast-distortion perfect in my opinion. Another thing was: you mentioned the stripes of the backpack were black, but in the nightshots the stripes are grey. First of all: you confused the stripes with the ones directly on the shoulder (those are indeed black with color-sparks in it) . But the lower on the backpack the stripes usually change to thin stripes with which you can adjust the shoulder-stripes (i am sure you know that - because you are an outdoor-man). So on the nightshot those ''adjust-stripes'' were photographed. Sure they also should be black - but they are usually nylon-faber, and had very different reflecting behavior - espescially when a nearby flash is lighten then up . That material definetely can appear greyish under those circumstances. Thats few of very many examples where i find your conclusions wrong (and to fast concluded to serve the narrative of foul play). But your strength is definetely: to point out details which most people miss (me included). For instance: i didnt saw on that (i think foto 505) that Kris had her waterbottle in her Jeans.. i looked a lot on that foto, and missed it every time. You on the other hand saw that detail immediately. Sure, now its obvious to me too, when someone tells it. But thats what i mean with: having an eye for details. You definetely have an eye for details, more than most people. The problem is only, you go very far with conclusions with it - i think. Besides all that : this Lisanne/Kris case is very hard. There is so little information available - and its so easy to interprete the fotos very wildly by ''correlations'' . As for me, i try to put my 50 cents to it. I worked a bit on the speed of Lisanne and Kris , according to their fotos with known coordinates. Than calculating it for the time between the last mirador-foto and the emergency-call - making a radius... substract all search-troup-paths , and put the information in: that Kris must have died upstream from her found Jeans (i also have a map of the smaller rivers there). This maybe could pinpoint the most probable spots where they got lost.
@gracecv9990
@gracecv9990 Год назад
Why did they don't record vídeos of themselves with the camera telling what was happen? 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
@smiddy0000
@smiddy0000 Год назад
The time difference is 6 hours, not 7. @ 10:40, Panama is in the Green Zone (wich is -5 hours from Greenwich time) The Netherlands is in the Red Zone ( +1 hour from Greenwich Time) You picked the blue time zone (-6) Where Panama isn't. With a better look at the camera time zones and the timezonesmap @ 10:40, it seems the camera includes Panama in the -6 timezone. On the map @ 10:40 Panama is in the -5 timezone. So the map and the camera are using different mapped timezones....
@annehaldjensen5478
@annehaldjensen5478 Год назад
I would surely have forgotten to change the time at my camera. For sure. Also I would not really care actually. I would defenetly care that my phone was showing the right time but not my camera.
@Jojos3117
@Jojos3117 Год назад
I literally thought about this toooo. How did the camera survive this.
@Sandoz-tq7qj
@Sandoz-tq7qj 2 месяца назад
I have finally figured out what Feliciano was actually doing inside the girls' room for more than 30 minutes on April 2. 👉He was charging the girls' camera because he wanted to see what were inside . The mysterious 509 was in fact also taken by Lisanne but was automatically deleted due to low battery. Also, he knew he need enough battery power in order to take the night photos with flash on 📸📸📸📸📸📸📸📸............... He planned in advance everything he has to do in the coming two and a halve months . Did he also take away the charger I do not know . The German origin language school secretary saw all these and decided to flee as soon as she could. She has been threatened by Feliciano for sure . Otherwise, she would stay in Boquete and help searching for the girls. Why not ? She could be a useful interpreter .
@georgeholloway3981
@georgeholloway3981 Год назад
Regarding your discussion of battery life: doesn't this become a non-issue if they recharged the battery before setting off on the hike?
@dragonballradiant2744
@dragonballradiant2744 Год назад
No way two, tired and disoriented, people thirsty and hungry. in the rainforest would’ve been able to do this. It had to of been an outside party but I guess the police just don’t care
@Jojos3117
@Jojos3117 Год назад
Not to be mean. But what happened to those guys in the photos?? Questioned probably not….. they still out there???? If so they should come forward to share..
@canadafragrancereviewerdia9119
I think they were murdered, you need to research it i think that is what happened.
@avgrim7729
@avgrim7729 Год назад
Only thing is Panama did NOT participate in DST in 2014 it was EST all year!!! Look it up!!
@strangermaniacos686
@strangermaniacos686 Год назад
Why didn't they release all the camera pics ?
@ergitab1123
@ergitab1123 Год назад
The pictures released on the internet were actually "Leaked" from various media sources and probably panamanian police. The girls' parents never agreed to releasing the pictures to the public, that is why the rest of them never made it to the internet.
@renaminginprogress6903
@renaminginprogress6903 Год назад
at 14:30 ish you made me realize something. Were their phones actually working as phones, or were they wifi only devices with no proper service? If they were wifi only phones maybe that explains why they only called 911 and didn't attempt any other calls or texts. Do you know if this question has been answered anywhere? What was their cell phone plan, what was their bill status, what was the service capability of their respective phones? If they didn't have local calling/messaging plans this could also explain why the time wasn't updated to UTC
@BackpackerCoach
@BackpackerCoach Год назад
As far as I know. They were using only wifi because is very expensive to just use your cell phone for normal calls in another country. That is why they only where communicating through wifi apps. But then why did they have their phones off airplane mode to go on a hike. When they normally always had there cell phones on airplane mode. Something smells fishy!!
@renaminginprogress6903
@renaminginprogress6903 Год назад
I did have one wisp of a theory regarding photo 509. apparently its feasible that If the memory card was removed, and another was put in, and a photo taken, then the original card replaced, it can explain the skipping sequence. Could it not be possible, and if you have the exact camera can you possibly test, that if you take a picture, then remove the card, take another picture (with no card in) then replace the card and take another? This could simulate a drop, or struggle where the camera got jarred just enough to dislodge the memory card, at the same moment or just before exactly one picture was taken? If you get the same result as exactly one picture missing this eliminates the need for an external computer deleting the photo, theoretically
@carlosbrizuela6521
@carlosbrizuela6521 Год назад
@@renaminginprogress6903 Esto que comentas es lo que relatan los autores del libro "lost in the jungle" que obtuvieron archivos del caso de parte de la Exfiscal, es la explicación para el porque no se pudo recuperar ni con un software especial el archivo 509, si tecnicamente es posible; pero y donde esta esa 2da tarjeta de memoria? Porque tomarias solo una foto y luego la vuelves a reemplazar para las fotos nocturnas? Otro detalle es que al parecer ese archivo 509 es el unico que no se pudo recuperar, si las chicas tenian una 2da tarjeta de memoria entonces no la utilizaron antes ni siquiera cuando estuvieron en Bocas del toro, para rematar nunca se menciono una 2da tarjeta de memoria en la investigación del 2014, en la foto de la mochila solo se observa 1 tarjeta de memoria. Una respuesta aunque sea factible tampoco se deber forzar como explicación, más en este caso que no hay evidencia de una 2da tarjeta de memoria, entonces caeriamos en otra casualidad (se perdio tambien esta tarjeta con solo una foto) más en el caso y convenientemente no explicamos las otras razones por la cual ese archivo "desaparecio". Pero bueno es una cuestión de perspectiva tambien.
@BackpackerCoach
@BackpackerCoach Год назад
@@renaminginprogress6903 Yes, I plan on doing that test. The Dutch forensics said something very similar. That the only way you can have a missing photo is by having two cards.
@renaminginprogress6903
@renaminginprogress6903 Год назад
@@BackpackerCoach I feel like it has something to do with water. I would never ask you to destroy your only replica. If you ever do happen to come across a spare try taking a picture as or after it gets submerged
@domjules2876
@domjules2876 Год назад
13:09 The shadow looks to me like someone is pointing a gun at the girls. but it's probably pareidolia!?
@SimpleLifeAlways81
@SimpleLifeAlways81 Месяц назад
Everything photoshopped ... watch Juan Perea
@catherinebrau3523
@catherinebrau3523 Год назад
Let them rest in peace and pray. In Mexico, 50 abductions, murders, disappearences per day. Our main goal on earth is to stay alive, healthy, happy whatever may be. Let them rest in peace and pray for them
@canadafragrancereviewerdia9119
Yes i agree to an extent, but think of their parents, how do you cope with life not knowing what happened to your daughters. I am a Mom and i could not rest until i found out the truth, its called closure, they don't have any closure and that is no way to live.
@abdielarnulfomurillosamani164
Puede traducir al español
@mari_mari007
@mari_mari007 Год назад
Вот очень интересно, но ничего не понятно)))
@dishdog215
@dishdog215 3 месяца назад
What crap... This camera has dozens of features related to the night fotos and you didn,t touch on ANY of them
@BackpackerCoach
@BackpackerCoach 3 месяца назад
What are you talking about? In this video I am going over how the Canon Power Shot SX 270 HS camera works. In relation to the data on the photos from the hike that were leaked. Your statement makes no sense. What does the camera having dozens of features have anything to do the night photos.
@vietnamcombatveteran2274
@vietnamcombatveteran2274 Год назад
law enforcement deleted that one photo either because the guide was in it and they are protecting him or the killer took a graphic brutal image and to protect tourism they deleted it....
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