Did Poland bring on her own Destruction in 1939 because of her Aggressive Foreign Policy?

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The traditional western narrative suggests that Poland was beset on both sides by two aggressive powers. Whereas, two other narratives (including the Soviet one, which Vladimir Putin champions) attempt to claim that Poland's aggressive foreign policy resulted in her own destruction. In today's question, I'm going to explain why the traditional western narrative makes more sense than the other two. Thanks to Rene Malmgren for today's question!
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@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

Some notes - The reference at 19:47 wasn’t actually the full reference because I couldn’t fit it all in the reference box. Here’s the full reference - Courtois, Werth, Panne, Paczkowski, Bartosek, Margolin, "The Black Book of Communism," P71-126. Engelstein, “Russia in Flames,” P560. Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P63, P65, P72, P75. Marx, & Engels, "Manifesto of the Communist Party," P67. Zamoyski, A. "Warsaw 1920: Lenin's Failed Conquest of Europe." Harper Press, 2008. (all of it) The FULL list of sources is available in the description. In case you didn’t see last week’s pinned comment - the editing for next Season of Stalingrad is currently underway. My current target for the release of episode 16 is the 23rd of November 2020. (Turns out that aiming for next Monday was a bit too ambitious.) Next week’s video will probably be about General Patton…

@bricksabrar 3 года назад

@Melchersson 3 года назад

+TIK The revisionists brings up this Polish aggresion against ethnic Germans. Not everything revisionists says are lies but I dont like their agenda even if occassionally they bring up some true facts. I heard from Poles who said the aggression against ethnic Germans escalated the more aggressive Germany and Hitler became?

@michaelgreco7597 3 года назад

The only thing I would disagree with TIK here is that I don’t see where Putin was acting like hitler was just a bystander reacting. He said at the beginning Hitler was obvious going to continue wanting more and more so it does acknowledge his aggression

@CalebNorthNorman 3 года назад

I believe this is Mr. Putin's FULL lecture: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kPJN8kgw55k.html TIK You are a British Historian who has is criticizing the President of Russian and have left out the most substantial part of the lecture where Putin uses the words of Winston Churchill to make the case that WW2 began with The Treaty of Versailles. Putin makes his case that it was basically the western powers messed up and that put the fire under Germany to torch off WW2 and Poland only comes into the picture as a nation to share the blame. TIK i think you misrepresented information to your viewers. Respect to you and all the best.

@CalebNorthNorman 3 года назад

By the way! I loved your video on Fascism Defined. You did a great Job on that and i shared the video with people i know who like studying and learning about social issues. Great Job and i really mean that 👍👍👍👍👍

@AFGuidesHD 3 года назад

"Why didn't Poland just ally with the commies" has the same answer as to "Why didn't Poland ally with Germany against the commies".

@a_j130 3 года назад

Hmmm Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea maybe for such happy and well suit people lives there ( have you heard about famin in Ukraine? Country which could feed Europe starved, just an example)

@ElzariusUnity 3 года назад

They tried. The idea was to go against USSR with Germany.

@aestheticautism1653 3 года назад

Damn AF Guides didn't know you watched TIK

@horatio8213 3 года назад

@@ElzariusUnity No they don't. That is why Hitler invade Poland. Because Poland do not want been used to invade USSR and fight war for Germany.

@i-etranger 3 года назад

@@a_j130 the famine wasn't just in Ukraine, it was everywhere. Bolsheviks did not try to screw Ukraine only, they screwed the whole country.

@hoomanpolitics7925 3 года назад

I'm an Iranian, listening to the channel of a British guy who is answering the question of a Czeck who lives in Sweden, about Poland based on the comments of the Russian president.

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

That's the spirit!

@rustyshackleford3316 3 года назад

I'm just happy as long as you all stay out of my country.

@jeremiahblake3949 3 года назад

I'm an American, commenting on an Iranian who's listening to a Brit answering an inquiry of a Czech who lives in Sweden, about Poland, because of comments of the Russian President.

@juanpaz5124 3 года назад

And I'm reading it as a German

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

It's not "your" country, Rusty. You don't "own" it - it's "owned" collectively. In other words, the State owns the country and owns you too.

@BufordTJustice42069 2 года назад

Soviets: invade Poland. Poles: Win Soviets: You brought this on yourself.

@user-wj6dt5bq3w 3 месяца назад

That's not what he's talking about.

@aAverageFan Месяц назад

Poles started the Polish-Soviet war

@mbompenza7082 Месяц назад

The Soviets took back lands they lost in Soviet-Polish war in 199-1921

@Conn30Mtenor 2 дня назад

@@mbompenza7082 and murdered hundreds of thousands of Poles. So what's your point?

@publichearing8536 14 часов назад

@@mbompenza7082wow that was a long, 1.700 years of war, what a calamity!

@PaleoCon2008 2 года назад

Poland literally had no good options in 1939. The UK and France offered meaningless guarantees but Poland did not seem to realize that as the conflict boiled over into war.

@gertvanderhorst2890 Год назад

Nobody could foresee that the battle for Poland would be that short. The Poles couldn't have seriousely counted with Allied assistance within weeks. So your use of the word 'meaningless' is pure hindsight

@PaleoCon2008 Год назад

@@gertvanderhorst2890 Clearly, the Polish leadership was out of touch with reality. They SHOULD have known the French were incapable of large-scale offensive action and they SHOULD have known the French were both unable and unwilling to take meaningful action. There were no good options for the Poles in August 1939.

@krak8978 Год назад

@@PaleoCon2008 France was very much capable of a large-scale offensive action if they weren't dumbasses and did nothing for the past 10+ years after WWI

@Ratselmeister Год назад

Poland was the source of this conflict. Research on their agression going back to times before the third reicj

@dusk6159 2 месяца назад

@@gertvanderhorst2890 Had the USSR not being a partner of the regime in Berlin, that wouldn't have been so rapid and hopeless.

@ashcarrier6606 3 года назад

I wonder if Putin would describe Finland as aggressive in 1939...

@glebb..3416 3 года назад

Fuck Putin but Karelia is Russia. Took it back.

@ashcarrier6606 3 года назад

@@glebb..3416 Go to Vyborg and tell me that is Russian architecture downtown.

@maxmagnus777 2 года назад

no, he spoke of it as historians do. He did not say most of TIK claim either. Most of this video is bs.

@niepowaznyczlowiek 2 года назад

Karelia is Finnish and Finland was defending its borders

@anastasijajelic3298 2 года назад

few people know the fact that when Germany invade Czechoslovakia Poland took part of Czech territory in agreement with nazis. And by the way....shall we list how many countries "aggressive" Russia did invade in last 50 years and how many "peaceful and democratic" countries did?

@krzysztofiwan4901 3 года назад

"Your Galactic Majesty, I have successfully infiltrated human society and prepared plans for invasion of Earth. We must attack Poland first." "Why Poland?" "Invading Poland is a sacred tradition over there."

@fabiofaria4243 3 года назад

it sure looks like that...

@johnmorton1430 3 года назад

Fourth partition of Poland.

@fabiofaria4243 3 года назад

@@johnmorton1430 Crazy times, huh? Again. The problem with autocratic leaders is that they answer to no one, and nobody dares to contradict them, and as time goes by they all develop that sense of divinity (the Wehrmach soldiers invading Poland had engraved in their belts the words "Gott mit uns"). And invariably think they have more power than their opposition have and that they will crush them. And then, when it is too late to give a step back, they always discover that the opposition is far stronger and stubborn than they had appreciated, and then they all end up losing their heads but not before causing the death of millions of innocent people, from their own country and from other countries. Take the example of Poland. Poland of 2021 is far stronger than 1939 Poland. If on one hand it is a very risky bet to suppose that other European countries would enter in the fray to defend Poland, on the other hand China is a next door Russian neighbor and has ten times more population, a GDP ten times bigger and they also have their menu of nukes. Probably Putin would be better off by trying to keep things as they are and not to try to change things, because usually things never go as these autocrats expect. Anyhow, I see again those very same dark clouds in European skies. I hope it is just rain which is coming...

@Matt-rc5hf 3 года назад

@Master Catnip well technically any country on the planet can get invaded. The question is by who? Something like 4 of 5 Germans wouldn't fight for their country studies show. and Russians would have to invade through Ukraine first. None the less, The visegrad group (whom other nations like Austria and Romania want to join) invading Poland would be Like invading all of Central and Eastern Europe. So basically, no. Nobody is invading Poland

@Matt-rc5hf 3 года назад

@Master Catnip again your comment makes no logical sense. but k. get some help

@mikedicewrites 2 года назад

Putin: Claims Poland started the war Also Putin: Starts a war

@vanlendl1 Год назад

No, Putin did not say, that Poland started the war or was responsible for the war. Poland was pretty stupid to take territories from the Sovietunion in 1920/21. Obviously, Poland thought, that the weapons and tanks from France would be sufficient. Well, they were not sufficient to fight Germany in the west and Sovietunion in the east.

@vanlendl1 Год назад

@Ethnic Nationalist I do agree completely.

@vanlendl1 Год назад

@Ethnic Nationalist Germany should have tried to get some polish territories back without a war.

@prabhavvenkatesh9247 Год назад

@Ethnic Nationalist they should

@youtubeuser1993 Год назад

Слава україні! 🇺🇦

@bergssprangare Год назад

Stalin, the murderous narcissist, could never forgive that his army where he was officer was defeated by the Poles 1920 and Lenins dream to reach France was halted...Stalin had to run in full panic from the attacking Poles..AS often , he got his revenge..

@SweRedGuard Год назад

Lenin had no "dream to reach France". Wtf have you been reading?

@mdean3801 10 дней назад

@@SweRedGuardLots of historical revisionism, unsurprisingly sourced to 'operation paperclip', recruiting military leadership after the war. re As a result, the Nazi view of ww2 is the West's view, as the Cold War shut down info exchange between former allies..

@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 3 года назад

“This question has probably annoyed most of the world... which is fantastic.” TIK: Some men just want to watch the world burn.

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

Actually I want everyone to come together. And the best way to do that is by annoying everyone at the same time, so that they're all united against me ;)

@jasonjason6525 3 года назад

@@TheImperatorKnight Why didn’t the Western Allies also declared War on Soviet Union when they invaded Poland? Why only Germany?

@markyoung950 3 года назад

@@TheImperatorKnight corrosion is slow oxidation. It takes longer. The global crisis may take another 300 to 500 years, but rapid oxidation is on its way :(

@FortuneZer0 3 года назад

@@TheImperatorKnight cough socialist cough oh we are all friendly here.

@jpc443 3 года назад

@@TheImperatorKnight 🤔.. ....😆

@Zajuts149 3 года назад

@z000ey 3 года назад

@Lovecraft I'm not a fan of Putin, believe me, but interwar Polish governments were definitely nationalistic and proto-fascist, and many (even Poles) see their contemporary governments as such (proto-fascist)

@benricketts1768 3 года назад

So you have chosen death ☠️

@guestimator121 3 года назад

@Lovecraft Hahah, Moscow sees Poland as a fly sitting on some poop crapped by a cow eating grass by some road you drive 100 miles per hour. Nice try in making them more important than they are though :P

@Este1519 3 года назад

@You're Spying haven’t Poland snapped a piece of Czechoslovakia in 1938?

@arkjedrzejewsky4990 3 года назад

@@z000ey proto -fasist? please check the history, Pilsudzki was a socialist (far left on the begining) and Endecja as well

@paulmarchlewski6354 Год назад

My late Polish father, who was born in the same city, Bromberg, as the german Fw 190 designer Kurt Tank, but grew up in the same city, Bydgoszc, in the 20's, told me that the Poles feared both Germany and Russia, but that they respected Germany but Despised Russia.

@diongibbs312 6 месяцев назад

The very same Bromberg in West Prussia that the Polish Unleashed one of the most beastial massacres of the German civilians before World War II before September 1939 and the Polish was so stupid to Believe In A Promise by the British and French which we could never ever of committed ourselves to fully in action because we did not have the technology at the time that was to make sure Poland survived any German or Russian invasion the moment Hitler marched into Poland Poland cease to exist in 3 weeks like pretty much every other country of Europe that Germany walked through and I started said when Germany had Moscow encircled that he and the moscowin must stay there or Russia is literally one week away from absolute collapse with the destruction of communism and the people's Revolution brought to us with the ideals of Lenin.

@etbellav 2 года назад

I'm surprised at the lack of reference to the Soviet - Polish war in 1920, as a proximate cause to why Poland was repulsed by the idea of an alliance with the Soviet Union, in the years leading up to WWII. Love the video overall, and everything you do, keep it up as long as you're able

@colder5465 Год назад

Great remark! By the way, nobody even cares to ask a very simple question: why the Soviet Polish war was exactly in 1920? Not a year before or after? But the answer is very simple, actually. If you know that this war was initiated by Poland, not Soviet Russia. The war with Poland was the last thing which wanted Bolshevics in the end of gruesome Civil War. But what was the reasons for the Poles? And now we have to remember that the Whites in the Russian Civil War fought under the slogan of "united and non-divided Russia" And this United and non-divided Russia they were ready to accept in the boundaries of 1913 only. That was the absolute demand of all White Generals: from Denikin to Yudenich to Admiral Kolchak. And exactly this demand why the Russian Whites couldn't reach an agreement with the new independent Poland and Finland for united war against the Reds. Because neither Pilsudskiy nor Mannergeim agreed to restoring the Russian Empire in the 1913 borders. But Poland dreamed about their own little empire "from one sea to another", wanting to annex from Russia at least western Ukraine. And it's clear why it was 1920. In 1920 it became crystal clear that the Whites lost irreversibly. Under no circumstances they could win the war. So the threat of United and Non-divided Russia in 1913 borders became irrelevant. But the Whites still had their last stronghold in Crimean peninsula under the General Baron Wrangel and were making regular forays in the Red's territories. So it was the ideal time for Poles to attack: the Reds were still occupied with the last White stronghold and couldn't divert all their forces to war with Poland. The ideal result of the war would be the Red's inability to finally quash Baron Wrangel and hence permanent weakness of the new communist state. That goal wasn't achieved but the goal of annexing Western Ukraine and Byelorussia was achieved. Although not without trouble: the proud independent Poles barely managed not to lose the war. Thanks to future Marshal Tukhachevskiy, who was an ardent supporter of war without reserves. So maybe now it's clear why both sides in pre WW2 period hated each other.

@komandorshepard3083 Год назад

@@colder5465 HAHAHA bolsheviks literally wanted to introduce a communist revolution in half of Europe. You are probably just a braiwashed russian or radically pro-Russian

@profradon Год назад

Seconded! I just recently found TIKs channel and I also like it very much. There are just some points where I wonder, how could he overlook that? My personal conclusion is: during and after World War I the bullshit in Europe kept piling up so fast, you needed wings to stay above it. Only mistake Hitler made was, he took a shovel instead. @TIK: maybe an interesting subject for a future video... Could you check out the curriculum of the Napola (National Political Institutes of Education)? It could give an interesting insight in what the Nazis where actually trying to achieve. I mean, everyone knows they wanted to kill the Jews, conquer large parts of Europe and establish a 1000 Year lasting empire. But should they succeed, then what? I know the question is completely hypothetical, but what would have the year 2020 been like if the Nazis won the war? A colleague whose grandfather went to a Napola once made a very intriguing comment on that subject: he told me, those boys weren't taught antisemitism but something more similar to humanism instead. I can't verify those statements since I'm not a historian and wouldn't even know where to start at.

@robertrichard6107 Год назад

@@colder5465 I looked at it along those lines too, especially finding Stalin fought in that war against the Poles. And actually FDR wasn't able to stop U.S. Oligarchs supporting the NAZI's until 1943. Today the U.S. thinks it's the Fourth Reich but tries to act like it has Frederick Douglass scruples, and Jimmy Carter's naughty or nice human rights inventory.

@CrunchECrab52 Год назад

@@profradonTIK is a revisionist pushing some really weird thoughts about the Nazis motivation and supposed socialism (its just totalitarianism) and how all the propaganda was spiritual, not racial

@jamesbeeching4341 3 года назад

Also Stalin was looking for revenge.....His old pals in the 1st Cavalry Army had been humiliated by the Poles in the Battle of Warsaw in 1920 and wanted to regain the territory lost to the Poles!

@IK-so2bm 3 года назад

To survive next to the Big Bad Bear requires diplomacy and wisdom, not foolish nationalist pride.

@atsstaaatsssatss4501 3 года назад

@_jeff _ finland lost both wars

@buckplug2423 3 года назад

@@atsstaaatsssatss4501 it's an interesting loss, though - instead of being occupied and having their most prominent countrymen murdered in Siberia (like the rest of the Russian provinces taken by the USSR) they managed to uphold their independence and weren't even bothered when they remained neutral in the Cold War - despite being a former active Axis power. It isn't an incredibly important country strategically, but so isn't Estonia or Belarus. It's really a remarkable story of resistance that actually worked.

@DawnOfTheDead991 3 года назад

Eggs Ackley

@jgranger3532 3 года назад

@James Beeching. I think.you are on to something. Stalin was nothing if not vindictive.

@richardcutts196 3 года назад

There's plenty of blame to spread around. The only thing I can say about Poland not wanting Soviet forces crossing their border, on their way to fight the Germans, is that the Poles and Soviets fought a war against each other less than 20 years previously.

@gmaacentralfounder 3 года назад

It's not that they didn't want it - STALIN DEMANDED IT FROM UK AND FRANCE ALONE!. Poland was not part of those negotiations, so obviously reply was: we can't decide for Poland. Stalin's bot official and unofficial reply was very uncharitable to both delegations. But more important fact is that those negotiations were carried out SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH RIBBENTROP-MOLOTOV's. So Stalin signed the R-M pact (with it;s secret annex) full TWO DAYS AFTER putting the ultimatum for POland on the table. I think TIK should not be so diplomatic. I say Putin is full of bull crap. But he's also a Soviet, so cognitive dissonance, maskirovka and pushing blatant propaganda is in his blood. So not surprising he said what he said. But he also timed it well - lately Poland is exclusively a target for knifing in the back from every side... Bigger fire on the decrepit carcass of the Western Civilization is what Putin shoots for.

@gregoryfilar1783 3 года назад

We don’t hear much about that particular war. But at the time Poland had just recovered her independence after being a captive nation for decades.

@pawelnowak9440 3 года назад

@@gmaacentralfounder Agreed. Polish politicians knew very well that Soviet army allowed into Poland and Czechoslovakia would never return to USSR. It would be sovietization of central Europe in 1938

@gmaacentralfounder 3 года назад

@The_Jaguar_ Knight Did you know that Czechoslovakia invaded Poland in 1919? They did it because they didn't like sgreements that were made regarding borders in that region... And it was, curiously, the sane time Soviets invaded, too. But in the end no, Poland didn't invade Czechoslovakia- they just got back what was supposedto be Polish territory in the first place. Not saying it was smart move, but it wasn't sudden invasion like Czechoslovakia liked to do to Poland... They did the same in 1945...

@gmaacentralfounder 3 года назад

@The_Jaguar_ Knight I also said it was stupid. The fact remains Czechoslovakia invaded in 1919. They did it because they wanted more land. I don't know if when that happens one should roll over or fight back. I Don't know i when someone takes something by force the rightful owner should stop wanting it back... I guess crime does pay off, i think thugs love to say that. Good to know you're one of those. Stalin invaded places which - according to original Soviet Revolutikn leadership - has the right to decide their own fates. I guess you can call it quelling a rebellion. Fine. I wouldn't. When and how Poland attacked Soviet Union, please? I would like to know, because as far as I know it didn't happen the way you describe it... Please, enlighten me.

@jovanlipovatz4503 4 месяца назад

Just watched the Tucker Carlson interview where Putin repeats this claim (very early on in the interview).

@user-wj6dt5bq3w 3 месяца назад

You have to know the history to understand his claim. In the spring and summer of 1939, there were negotiations between the British, French, and Soviets, about uniting against Germany and waging war together to defend Poland. The Soviets said they required the permission to enter Polish territory in order to defend them. The Poles continually refused to give the Soviets this right.

@moritamikamikara3879 3 месяца назад

@@user-wj6dt5bq3w YoU kNoW yOu HaVe To KnOw ThE hIsToRy To UnDeRsTaNd hIs ClAiM

@JahNgomba-ir2zi 3 месяца назад

@@user-wj6dt5bq3w”with the Nazi we may lose our country but with the Soviets our souls”

@dusk6159 2 месяца назад

@@user-wj6dt5bq3w And they were right, considering that they later got in vade d and g e n oci d ed, by a red empire who was also a partner of the regime in Berlin, co-i n vading.

@gunwu9084 2 месяца назад

@@dusk6159 For Germans there was no peace in the East after 1918, after Poland was founded. Polish criminals came over the boarder and butchered German peasants there, i.a. my Granddad and an uncle. They did it to 10,000s of Germans there, which is why Hitler invaded. They were backed by GB, just like today.

@IamSkuggan 2 года назад

This video has aged well, Ukraine is clearly aggressive like Poland was!

@callumadams8364 2 года назад

Is this sarcastic?

@jackobrien47 3 года назад

Soviets and Nazis at Poland: "they're comin' right for us!"

@Sheyl3319 2 года назад

Is that a Victoria 2 reference

@polishone353 2 года назад

There saying nazis have “ redeemed themselves lmao!!! I’m not against the rooskies but idk

@neilhillis9858 2 года назад

@@polishone353 Who says that? And besides, Nazis and Soviets had a military agreement at this point.

@polishone353 2 года назад

@@neilhillis9858 us has them in there back pocket my guy along with Poland

@maitreyabadra2267 2 года назад

@@polishone353 Somebody has to run the show... As long as Putin is not...💀🇷🇺🕳️

@markmilan8365 3 года назад

A hungry wolf was once drinking water at a stream. He caught sight of a lamb drinking water far down. He wanted to eat it up. He ran up to it and said very angrily, “Why are you making the water muddy? Don’t you see that I am drinking it?” The poor little lamb began to tremble and said, “Please, sir, the water is flowing from you to me. So I am not at all making it dirty for you.” “But why did you call me names last year?” thundered the wolf. “You are mistaken, sir,” replied the lamb. “I was not even born last year.” “Then it must have been your elder brother. And you must now suffer for his fully.” So saying he jumped upon the unfortunate lamb and tore it into pieces.

@ColonizerChan 3 года назад

@Manuel Camelo Russia is the wolf, Poland is the sheep. Elder sheep is polish Lithuanian commonwealth

@MrRandomCoding 3 года назад

@Manuel Camelo The wolf wants to eat the sheep. It'll use any excuse- even false ones- to justify eating the sheep.

@scratchy996 3 года назад

It's like the story of the lion giving the kangaroo a beating, because he wasn't wearing a beret.

@CantusTropus 3 года назад

@Manuel Camelo This is a variant on Aesop's fable of the wolf, which says that tyrants will come up with one excuse or another for their actions. Even if you demolish and expose each and every one of their arguments as bullshit, eventually they will say "fuck it, I just want to kill you and eat you so I will do it anyway".

@CantusTropus 3 года назад

@Manuel Camelo For reference, the original Fable of the Wolf is this: "A wolf came upon a lamb straying from the flock, and felt some compunction about taking the life of so helpless a creature without some plausible excuse. So he cast about for a grievance and said at last, "Last year, sirrah, you grossly insulted me." "That is impossible, sir," bleated the lamb, "for I wasn't born then." "Well," retorted the wolf, "you feed in my pastures." "That cannot be," replied the lamb, "for I have never yet tasted grass." "You drink from my spring, then," continued the wolf. "Indeed, sir," said the poor lamb, "I have never yet drunk anything but my mother's milk." "Well, anyhow," said the wolf, "I'm not going without my dinner." And he sprang upon the lamb and devoured it without more ado."

@tnsrs2719 Год назад

This shows just how far back Putin had an idea about future aggressions

@youtubeuser1993 Год назад

indeed

@nikitanosikovg2703 Год назад

By protecting the Donbass ( full of cultural Russians and Russian speakers) from the constant shelling from the Kiev regime and their Neo Nazi battalions. Look up the Ukraine civil war (2014-2022). Which started after the western backed Maiden coup. Putin ended the war and is de-nazifying the country. Something the west gave up on quickly after WW2 and recruited them to fight the Soviets.

@ritamedina-molina8550 7 месяцев назад

Putin is also no fool

@owenb8636 День назад

The way he brazenly rewrites history to justify the USSR invading Poland takes my breath away

@ZESAUCEBOSS 4 месяца назад

I have been sending this video to EVERYONE who talks about the Putin-Carlson interview. I think this is highly relevant to that event.

@Zygsville 3 года назад

The Czech-Polish dispute was the result of crass stupidity and lack of statesmanship on both sides. The Czechoslovak army seized the area in 1919 while the Poles were fighting desperately elsewhere and Poland's leaders (showing a similar lack of judgement and statesmanship) paid them back in 1938 in the Czechs' moment of weakness. All tragic and unnecessary. I think it was Woodrow Wilson who said: "And so two nations that should have been friends and allies became embittered enemies". And the resentments still linger. Very sad.

@matej2733 3 года назад

well, thats past... only what I know is that our common enemy is Germany... Poles have something agaist Russians... well, thats just Europe tradition here :-)

@HistoryonYouTube 3 года назад

The argument that Poland was fighting a desperate war at the time the Czechs took part of Cieszyń which is often presented in Poland is patently not true. When did the Czechs take Cieszyń and when was Poland fighting the war against the Bolsheviks? It is a weak excuse to deflect from the Sanacja's regimes policy of friendship with Nazi Germany.

@Zygsville 3 года назад

@@HistoryonRU-vid (From Wikipedia) "In January 1919 a war erupted between the Second Polish Republic and the First Czechoslovak Republic over the Cieszyn Silesia area in Silesia. The Czechoslovak government in Prague requested that the Poles cease their preparations for national parliamentary elections in the area that had been designated Polish in the interim agreement as no sovereign rule was to be executed in the disputed areas. The Polish government declined and the Czechoslovak side decided to stop the preparations by force. Czechoslovak troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czechoslovak troops gained the upper hand over the weaker Polish units. The majority of Polish forces were engaged in fighting with the West Ukrainian National Republic over eastern Galicia at that time. Czechoslovakia was forced to stop the advance by the Entente, and Czechoslovakia and Poland were compelled to sign a new demarcation line on February 3, 1919, in Paris".

@Saeronor 3 года назад

@@HistoryonRU-vid See Spa Conference for "how Czechs managed to avoid Polish retaliation" and "what bolsheviks had to do with it". Bonus points for noticing how even that crap deal had been almost immediately broken by Prague.

@HistoryonYouTube 3 года назад

@@Saeronor I suggest you try looking at dates. The Spa Conference was in 1920, the then fascist government in Poland invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 alongside its Nazi ally. As for what the Bolsheviks had to do with it, this is part of your imagination. I deal with facts, not fairy stories.

@user-yl6fj9oi8y 3 года назад

Fun Fact you may forget: Putin is a politician, not a scholar.

@VoltageLP 3 года назад

he's a nazi

@jamesricker3997 3 года назад

@@VoltageLP he's an oligarch

@VoltageLP 3 года назад

@@jamesricker3997 not quite, oligarchs own businesses directly, while putin owns the whole of russia through his friends

@datadavis 3 года назад

@@VoltageLP is that what being a nazi is? Fascinating.

@user-yl6fj9oi8y 3 года назад

@@VoltageLP Putin was actually a KGB agent.

@josefpohl5489 2 года назад

The same guy participate in partition of Ukraine. Vlad has good sense of humor.

@iamcleaver6854 2 года назад

Ukraine should have never existed

@sergeyboyko3734 2 года назад

While Ukraine is a creation of communists lol

@Moechtegernpilot1 3 месяца назад

It makes me chuckle when he says: Mr. Putin, Mr. Hitler, Mr. Stalin

@stewiegriffin2143 3 года назад

Poland never gets a break.

@duster0066 3 года назад

Look where they and The Ukraine are. They both get it from both sides.

@alanpennie8013 3 года назад

The bugler of Cracow nods.

@matthiuskoenig3378 3 года назад

to be fair, they weren't exactly innocent, polishification/polanisation policies (on lithuanian,, ukrainian, and german minorities) and the polish aggression in the soviet-polish war (poland invaded hopeing to reconquer the ukraine, wanting to recreate the old extent of the polish-lithuanian republic) aswell as various older (less relevant) agression. saying poland never catches a brake is like saying germany never catches a brake.

@DawnOfTheDead991 3 года назад

@@matthiuskoenig3378 Disc or drum brake?

@gabsolej9802 3 года назад

@@matthiuskoenig3378 you can't compare Poland with a country that saw the whole continent as theirs

@vpowerization 3 года назад

Its naive to believe today that Putin is going to speak about WW2 honestly. This applies to all Countries leaders

@lochnessmonster5149 2 года назад

Russians have never accepted blame for anything they've ever done and most socialists today won't criticize the USSR or any Communist regime for any of the countless evils they committed. It's on par with being a Hitler apologist and Holocaust denier.

@leodesalis5915 2 года назад

@@lochnessmonster5149 indeed I don't really understand why communism gets a pass while fascism in basically banned they're both such disgusting ideologies but if you go on simple numbers communism is so much worse and has cost many many millions more lives especially if you see Hitler as a socialist (which I do). I don't give anyone that considers themselves a communist any time of day or respect much like I wouldn't for someone calling themselves a Nazi or fascist.

@thebeanymac 2 года назад

@@leodesalis5915 Socialism isn't Communism. There's a difference. You're confused and uninformed.

@kirillassasin 2 года назад

@@lochnessmonster5149 still waiting Belgium apology for Congo

@nivlacsenoj6264 2 года назад

@@kirillassasin They won’t apologize mostly because they feel like they’re superior. It’s the Colonial mindset.

@joeldykman7591 2 года назад

Poland has always had the misfortune of being a strategically important area, but also exceedingly difficult to defend geographically. Same thing with the whole of the middle east.

@gerulais 2 года назад

As a note for 19:20 I must say that actually the Soviet Union infiltrated Basarabia, the territory that Romania got through the Treaty of Versailles. There were actual communist troops sent by the Soviet Union to sabotage and the Romanian Army actually fought the Soviets there. This actually supports the fact that the Romanian-Polish alliance was a defensive one because of the past aggression of the Soviet Union.

@officerchad1213 3 года назад

I’m so sorry to hear that TIK was the victim of a tragic bus accident next week

@Batmax192 3 года назад

well, I would be more afraid of intentionally infecting by corona... And it that doesn't work - afraid of radioactive element s... Sure would be careful on his place....

@Filip234U 3 года назад

is it true?

@colinmacdonald5732 3 года назад

Apparently the other 42 passengers escaped uninjured.

@GOLEG11 3 года назад

@@Filip234U נו You dumbass ... he implies he got “suicided” by any three character foreign agencies .... You know.... “taken care off” “accident”... etc

@Filip234U 3 года назад

@@GOLEG11 sorry to ask, calling me dumbass for asking tell something about you

@MMircea 3 года назад

I'm a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!

@francishuddy9462 3 года назад

Globalism is the entire world; in 1938 - 39,it was a small area of eastern Europe 👍

@IR240474 3 года назад

Also, this was read by a guy in Ireland reading about a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!

@MandoMadness Год назад

@@IR240474 Also, this was seen by a person from the United States referring to this comment created to express that a guy from Ireland read about a Romanian living in the UK listening to an English lad commenting on a Czech guy's debate held in Sweden about opinions from Russia's president regarding Polish foreign affairs. If this is not globalism, I don't know what it is!

@hariman7727 Год назад

Globalism is the interconnection of the economies and alliances of countries throughout the world in an attempt to prevent war by dependence. Sadly, World War 1 was directly caused by those globalist alliances, and the Ukraine/Russia war is directly being extended by outside politicians who are using Ukraine as a battleground for a proxy war against Russia... which is uniting Russia and China. So globalism is causing more problems.

@krisniemczuk3452 4 месяца назад

😂😂😂

@sir0herrbatka 2 года назад

Well, this is somewhat interesting given the current context of the war in Ukraine.

@grizzlyaddams3606 3 года назад

As an Alaskan who was married to a Ukranian that now lives in Czech Republic but is plagued by the Ghosts of Swedish and British Royal ancestry, I really loved that intro! Viva France!

@Ratselmeister Год назад

Fuck France for ever!

@steenkigerrider5340 3 года назад

The Hess files haven't been declassified because of security reasons but due to reasons of embarrassment.

@martinhovorka69 3 года назад

Exactly, as Putin said - waiting for Western countries to fully disclose war documents like Russia did.

@Trexmaster12 3 года назад

What embarassment? What's being speculated?

@TalkernateHistory 3 года назад

@@Trexmaster12 Some people think that Hess came to Britain at the request of the British to negotiate peace. But when Hess was publicly discovered, the cat was out of the bag and they had to deny it publicly. Then when Germany attacked The USSR right afterward, the odds of British success rose meteorically and they no longer wanted to negotiate, so they covered it up. I don't believe this happened, but it's an interesting theory.

@Matt_The_Hugenot 3 года назад

There were highly placed Britons, including the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, who rather liked Hess and were in favour of a negotiated settlement. Unfortunately for Hess he thought Hamilton was one of the latter, it is possible he was deliberately entrapped into so believing though I think that gives too much credit to British intelligence. In any case influential people, their descendants, and wider family get preferential treatment in this country and are saved from embarrassment from seventy five year old political indiscretions.

@Mrch33ky 3 года назад

Its true. If the world found out that the "British" Monarchy actually supported their "German" cousins the tourist traffic would dry up to zero. And we can't have that darling. Can you imagine if the Queen had to get a real job? What would she do, greet people at Walmart?

@stef1896 3 года назад

"You got what you deserved," is always an argument of a bully.

@Dark_Plum 3 года назад

"But he hit me first, I was just defending" is another that comes to mind (when teacher comes)

@sunnyjim1355 3 года назад

First: Putin never actually said that, you are not even paraphrasing him, you are just straw manning him. That is a very intellectually dishonest act which shows that not only are you immature, and not also that you have some kind of grudge to bear, but also that you want others to share your prejudice. So you are also a gas-lighter. Second: And yet "You should learn that your actions have consequences, and so to take personal responsibility for your actions", is wise and benevolent advice. In other words, taken all together - your comment is very low-res and low-info, and much worse, actually the product of a nasty, little mind.

@stef1896 3 года назад

@@sunnyjim1355 Anyone who watched the video and has minimal knowledge about WWII could extract the same conclusion as mine, and find that Putin is a malicious revisionist. Putin is not a fool, and he is doing this intentionally in order to legitimize his action, like the war against Ukraine. How dangerous that is?

@FazeParticles 3 года назад

@@stef1896 lol not only is Putin not a fool but you're awfully jealous of Putin. doubt he cares about what plebs have to say. smh.

@alexdunphy3716 3 года назад

That's exactly what everyone tells white people today

@rorikkbluetoothh5773 Год назад

We can see it today 2023 and I quote Churchill: poland is the HYENA of Europe.

@GraemeCree 3 месяца назад

If Poland had been a one-off, it might be possible to argue that case. But considering that the Soviet Union grabbed Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Eastern Poland, Finland, Bessarabia, and Bukovina, all in a very short period of time, the question becomes absurd on the face of it. Surely, the conquerer is at fault, rather than all those conquerees.

@vlad_47 2 месяца назад

Soviet Union positioned and improved its position in the pre-war climate after France, UK and Poland all signed pacts with Germany and denied an alliance.

@DonMeaker Месяц назад

@@vlad_47 "...positioned and improved..." is an odd way to spell "... invaded and committed mass murder..."

@aAverageFan Месяц назад

@@DonMeaker Britain and France were doing the same thing in their colonies

@aAverageFan Месяц назад

Ukraine and Belarus should return their western territories back to Poland which the USSR had annexed in 1939

@DonMeaker Месяц назад

@@aAverageFan Does Germany get back the bits that they lost to Poland and Russia? Perhaps we should be a bit slow to redraw map lines, particularly if one of the losers is a nuclear power.

@daveroe4961 5 дней назад

It was also naive of Hitler to think that Britain would consider any further territorial concessions after Czechoslovakia.

@daispy101 3 года назад

TIK, I think you are skipping Soviet military doctrine (pre-purges), which was 'defense in depth'. Why did the Soviets want to move an army cross Poland to support Czechoslovakia against Germany? So it could fight them over there so it didn't have to fight them at home (sound familiar?) Specifically, not having to fight in the Ukraine would mean - very optimistically - no famine in the event of war. Having just survived the self-inflicted wounds of famines caused by collectivization, and purged so many potential 'threats' internally, it's quite possible to see Why did Stalin cut a deal with Hitler? Because trying to negotiate with Britain and France for an alliance against Hitler had failed (neither the British nor the French had had sufficient forces ready to fight and neither sent people with authority to negotiate to the meetings). When Ribbentrop turns up offering half of Poland, Stalin gets his 'defense in depth' buffer with barely a shot fired (until the NKVD start murdering Polish citizens). Unfortunately for the Soviets, thank to Stalin's paranoia, the best of their military command had been shot or neutered in 1936-38, including the guys who created the 'defense in depth' doctrine, and they weren't capable of mounting the defense plan they had seized half of Poland and the Baltics to enact. When Hitler 'reveals' his true intent (to anyone who hadn't read his manifesto in Mein Kampf), the Red Army reels all the way back to Moscow and the USSR loses its Ukrainian breadbasket, again. Things only change as Stalin lets his generals take control of fighting the war, while Hitler is consumed by paranoia and is trying to run battles from his bunkers. Post war, Stalin is back in control and decides that he wants to make sure he never has to fight for the Ukraine again so Soviet armies stay where they finish the war, to the detriment of Eastern Europe, the people of the Soviet Union, and arguably, the rest of the world.

@Paciat 2 года назад

Lol, "pre-purges defense in depth"? When was that? Soviets had the biggest tank force, with many amphibious tanks and airborne troops. (offensive units) It was always oriented towards offense. You should watch TIKs video about purges before you try to lecture him: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JnWNnI6YlQQ.html "Why did Stalin cut a deal with Hitler? Because trying to negotiate with Britain and France for an alliance against Hitler had failed" You didnt even watch the video. At 30:05 TIK points out that you make no sense. 30% of oil, grain and rare metals that IIIrd Reich uses in 1940 is from USSR. In times when British are using large resources on a German blockade. Stalin dosnt prepare for defense cause he believes IIIrd Reich is too dependent of Soviet imports to start a war with him. And no "Things only change as Stalin lets his generals take control of fighting the war, while Hitler is consumed by paranoia and is trying to run battles from his bunkers." No one wants to tell a dictator bad stuff. When Soviet army is loosing Stalin is strict and suspicious towards generals, when German army is loosing Hitler is strict and suspicious towards generals. They switch personalities because at Stalingrad Soviet army retakes initiative. And no, Hitler isnt "consumed by paranoia", but rather by reality. Check how many attempts to assassination attempts there were on Hitlers life.

@InvertedGigachad 3 года назад

Their biggest mistake was to build their country between Angry mustache man 1 and angry mustache man 2

@gratius1394 3 года назад

Well, we can't exactly pack our stuff and move somewhere else. Besides, there was a time (admittedly, long ago) when the roles were reversed and in those days no one could predict what future will bring.

@Saeronor 3 года назад

And yet it was going pretty well as long as they had their own Angry moustache man ;)

@gratius1394 3 года назад

@@Saeronor Good example of influence that one man can have on international poltics. His lackeys, who succeeded him, weren't as capable as him in managing the country's affairs. It's kind of ironic if you think about it - more than a decade of quasi nationalist dictatorship is now considered almost a golden age by many Poles for no sensible reason whatsoever. But that's how history works, I guess.

@AFGuidesHD 3 года назад

Difference is Angry mustache man 1 wanted to ally with Poland against Angry mustache man 2 who didn't even want a small polish state to exist

@Saeronor 3 года назад

@@AFGuidesHD /not pictured/ Angry moustache man 1 wanting to amputate few limbs and pulling the rest by strings. As evidenced few years later.

@alexprince8679 3 года назад

I don’t get it , why did Great Britain and France only declare war on Germany but not Russia? Russia also invaded Poland plus invaded the Baltic countries and invaded Finland.

@jamesbeeching4341 3 года назад

Britain and France DID nearly declare war on the Soviet Union but didnt feel strong enough...

@stafer3 3 года назад

Because they were smarter than Germany in deciding how many enemies they can fight at the same time.

@MargaritaMagdalena 3 года назад

There was no war between Poland and Russia. The Polish commander in chief Śmigły-Rydz had ordered his troops not to fight the Soviets.

@MargaritaMagdalena 3 года назад

Also, the Soviets occupied ethnic Belarusian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian territory seized by Poland in 1921. All ethnic Polish territory was occupied by Germany.

@1996koke 3 года назад

@@MargaritaMagdalena That's false, that area was a conglomerate of different nationalities and everyone during the civil war was fighting for their control, lithuanians, ukranians, russians, belarussian, etc, and you had cities with different etnic groups like Vilnus or Lviv, basically you couldn't claim certain area as entirely ukranian, or entirely belarussian, Poland just happened to end up controling those areas but it was not different from what any other country tried to do. Also the soviet union ended up occupying the baltics and tried to invade all of finland so yeah, they were not trying to recover territories, they just wanted to expand

@TheCursedHonestTruth 2 года назад

Love your videos TIK, old man! You know how to make everything incredibly interesting, and your background research is awesome! The humor, the intrigue, cool graphics thrown-in, your unique perspectives! (and damn the naysayers!-lol) … the twists & turns, … history comes to life through you, man, it’s just that simple. And your delivery, your clear and precise enunciation is always easy to understand. Your programs are always interesting and fun to watch! Good on you, and keep doing it so well! We appreciate it!

@janfelchner1543 Год назад

Polish Corridor was part of Polish Kingdom for hundreds of years before the first partition of Poland in 1772. And even then Danzig remained as Polish city. It was then called Royal Prussia. My family was living there for at least of 200 years and remained Polish although strong 'Germanization' policy of Germany/Prussia started in 19th century and active until 1918. I recall stories from my grandpa that in school he was punished for speaking Polish, while at home parents were not pleased for using sometimes German words.

@Ratselmeister Год назад

Ah and now talk about polish agression against germans. And don’t believe stories of your grandparents if the where part of polish agression.

@Ratselmeister Год назад

if his parents where not pleased to hear german words the are people without honour

@Glocky131 10 месяцев назад

@@Ratselmeister That's not aggression against Germans. It's simply not wanting to lose your culture. Even people today don't like when English/German/Russian words are used when the equivalent polish word already exists, and that's despite there being many words taken from those languages and French which some people don't realise are not of Polish origin.

@rudolfkraffzick642 10 часов назад

Lets be factual: the later Corridor belonged to the Polish-Lithuanian confederacy from 1466 to 1772, 3 centuries. Besides this may be 150years after the millenium (1000). That is to say half of the time until 1945 the Corridor aerea with Gdansk did not belong to Poland but to the state of the Teutonic Order, Prussia and the German Reich after 1870. The population was a mixture of Kashubes, ethnic Poles and Germans before the flight and expulsion of the Germans started in 1945. Danzig was part of the German Hansa commerical League, a city of trade and business. German was the lingua franca all around the Baltic Sea and even far into Russia Novgorod, Moscow. Summary: History and Ethnicity gives no side a clear claim. Thats why today only an European conciousness makes sense and keeps new trouble out.

@janfelchner1543 8 часов назад

@rudolfkraffzick642 To be precise, Danzig/Gdansk belonged to the Teutonic Order between 1308-1454, then to Prussia/Germany between 1793-1920. To Poland: 960-1227, 1282-1308, 1454-1793. Hanseatic League wasn't just a German association, though it originated from German traders.

@dominykask0742 3 года назад

When the map created in Versailles shows Germany literally eating Poland, you know there will be problems lol.

@tokul76 3 года назад

Eastern border was not drawn in Versailles.

@impaugjuldivmax 3 года назад

@@tokul76 yep, Poland decided to draw the map by their own perception, while russia was in a state of anarchy

@noraswe 3 года назад

@@impaugjuldivmax Thats why russia invaded every country to the west in 1919/20 , right ?

@impaugjuldivmax 3 года назад

@@noraswe In 1919 half of european russia was occed by Gernamy-Austria Alliance; in 1920 Poland, France, Britain, the US, Japan occupied different regions of Russia. clarify yourself what do you mean

@noraswe 3 года назад

@@impaugjuldivmax lol what history book are you reading you stupid fuck? In 1918 Russia started their westward offensive , and invaded Latvia , Estonia , Lithuania ,Belarus , Ukraine ,Romania and Poland. All part of russia right? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_westward_offensive_of_1918%E2%80%9319

@petertwiss4215 3 года назад

"It was naive to believe that Hitler, once done with Czechoslovakia would not make new territorial claims." - Putin Annexes Crimea! Lol

@Segord 3 года назад

He should have taken all Eastern Ukraine. There is a big displeasure in people who live here that he didn't. Many of the people hate Ukrainian state for their Nazi-like politics of suppression of russian majority. If the Europe really wants peace it should stop Ukraine instead of helping it and demand from it to accept multiculture non discriminating laws.

@thomasvandusen6710 2 года назад

Sounds like Mr. Pukin forgot what started the great patriotic war.

@vincentdimitri169 2 года назад

He took Crimea in response to NATO aggression.

@obligatoryusername7239 2 года назад

@@vincentdimitri169 He took Crimea because Ukraine was gravitating towards NATO, which is hostile to Russia. And Ukraine gravitated towards NATO to begin with because Russia has historically been hostile to it. If the USSR and later Russian Republic had not treated the Baltic, eastern, and Ukrainian states as they have done, those states would not see Russia as a threat and wouldn't even bother trying to enter the US alliance to begin with.

@vincentdimitri169 2 года назад

@@obligatoryusername7239 you talk as if today's russia behaves like the soviet union.

@colinwrubleski7627 3 года назад

Putin's commentary completely ignores the fact that the Soviet Union cynically invaded Poland from the east just 16 days later than the ostensible start of the war on September 1st. Of course, the three different Soviet massacres of the Polish leadership in Katyn Forest, compounded by the audacity of the Soviets trying to blame those same massacres on the Germans, is something he also neglects to mention or concede whatsoever.

@scratchy996 2 года назад

"Putin's commentary completely ignores the fact that..." - many people's last words.

@colinwrubleski7627 2 года назад

@@scratchy996 Point well-taken. Thank you for the heads-up warning...^^

@colinwrubleski7627 2 года назад

The obtuse nitwit praising the Soviet Union for supposedly being the only country to stand up for Czechoslovakia in 1938 HIGHLY selectively ignores that the Soviet Union was also the only country starving, into absolute prostrate submission, Ukraine, and for that matter most of its own so-called "kulaks" (meaning they maybe had two cattle, instead of just one), in the ghoulish forced-collectivization period 1932~1936...

@scratchy996 2 года назад

@@colinwrubleski7627 I'm from Romania, I have family members who were murdered, and others sent to forced labor because they were small business owners, aka bourgeois, and others owned a farm. Kulaks were called "chiaburs" here. Both my mother and father became orphans, and were labeled of being of "unhealthy social origin". I know all about the "joys" of Communism.

@colinwrubleski7627 2 года назад

@@scratchy996 : Sorry to hear about the grief to which your family had been subjected... but thank you for sharing your comments.

@AtlantiansGaming 2 года назад

This video aged very well in the last view days.

@ronaldostrowski4014 3 года назад

Poland, and Hungary, took the opportunity of Hitler's invasion of Czech lands to retake territory which the Czechs took in 1919 while the Poles were busy fighting the Soviets during the Polish and Soviet War of 1919-1920,. There was NO agreement with Germany to divide Czechoslovakia. Also, Poland had non-aggression pacts with both the Soviets and Nazi Germany. Putin forgets that the Soviets signed the Treaty of Rapallo with Germany in 1922 for military cooperation. Also, as part of the Molotov and Ribbentrop Agreement the Soviets supplied grain, oil, and other materials to help Hitler prosecute his war in the West right up to 1941 when Hitler backstabbed his buddy, Stalin. Take a hike, Putin.

@rishz7857 Год назад

History is recorded by the victor, no matter the accuracy of that account. Putin is ignorant of any other references.

@ronaldostrowski4014 Год назад

@@rishz7857 Poland was an allied nation from 1939 to 1945 fighting on all fronts with 250,000 Poles fighting alongside their British and other allies in the West (1940 to 1945), the First and Second Polish Armies (400,000) which from 1942 fought alongside the Red Army all the way to Berlin and Dresden. Poland had a very large underground which also staged the 63 Day Warsaw Uprising in 1944. The Soviets were allies of Nazi Germany from 1939 to 1941 when they not only jointly invaded Poland but supplied the Germans with fuel, grain, and other materials to help them fight the Western allies. They only became allies when Germany attacked them. This is something that Putin likes to forget while he mocks the Poles and rewrites their history to defame them. But, given the poor performance of his military in Ukraine Putin looks like a loser recording his fake history.

@Principe6900 Год назад

When / at what year did the Polish "government" offer GB/F to attack GER from East and West?

@vanlendl1 Год назад

France MADE Poland in 1918. Poland was then armed by France with weapons and tanks. Poland wasn't that innocent as it is told. Poland extended it's territory about 200 kliometres to the east after the war against the soviet union.

@ronaldostrowski4014 Год назад

@@vanlendl1 Yeah, after defeating the Soviets at the gates of Warsaw. POLAND DID NOT START WW2 just because it won the Polish and Soviet War in 1920. Gee, maybe instead of saving Vienna in 1683 Polnad's King John Sobieski should have stayed home and let the Ottomans occupy Austria, and maybe Hitler would not have been born. What is it with you apologists for Hitler or Stalin?

@tokul76 3 года назад

Putin is not historician. He is politician. That article does not reflect historical view of events. It reflects current position or agenda of Russian government. 35-40 years ago in USSR Poles were not viewed as aggressors in WW2. Books and teachings were only omitting partition of Eastern Europe in Molotov-Ribentrov. That article reflects some old historical Soviet narrative, but not all of it. Unless current Russian narrative changed significantly from the stuff that Soviets were pushing 35 years ago. "Reestablish Polish-Lithuanian Union" - how you expect to do that given than countries fought after WW1 and Poland held on Lithuanian territory with its historical capital after the war. Countries were not in good terms at that time. And I assume that linguistic map at 14:40 is Polish view of it. Even "Union" map is not painted as Union. It looks more like annexation given formed country's color.

@alexatlantov4569 3 года назад

“That article does not reflect historical view of events. It reflects current position or agenda of Russian government.” Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth “35-40 years ago in USSR Poles were not viewed as aggressors in WW2.” That’s absolutely understandable. Then the world was divided on socialist and capitalist "camps". Moscow wanted to foster friendship between the allied peoples by all means, so it had been decided that all previous quarrels should be forgotten once and for all. For example, I’m as a teenager, living in the USSR, didn’t even know that Western Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians and many others fought for Nazis. You just wouldn’t find it in Soviet school and university textbooks. BTW, in those times,Western historiography also had such kind of aspects.

@Gew219 3 года назад

@@alexatlantov4569 "Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth" Oh please, did you even watch the video you're commenting under, Mr Russian?

@Este1519 3 года назад

@@alexatlantov4569 because Poles are sore about the fact that their division of Czechoslovakia together with their German friends didn’t go exactly as planned.

@leesnyder9144 3 года назад

@@Gew219 yeah TIK goes over it line by line

@tokul76 3 года назад

@@alexatlantov4569 > Oh please, name at least one, at least one Putin’s argument in the article, which doesn’t reflect truth Chapter 1."saved the entire world" I am coming from former USSR country which was not saved by USSR. It was occupied for forty five years. "accession on Baltic states" - new word for annexation. "contractual basis" - that was an ultimatum. 'evacuations to Siberia' - that started before June 22, 1941. Who evacuates people before war is declared. This world is not black and white and every country had its own gray agenda in WW2.

@tommybahama9350 Год назад

Yeah and Ukraine brought about the recent invasion as well (NOTTTT)

@youtubeuser1993 Год назад

yeah basically putler tries to convince everyone that the victims are the aggressors. That's a very common tactic I woul say

@jimmyjames5685 Год назад

Ukrainian forces have been shelling ethnic russians in the donbass since the coup in maidan. I don't have a problem with putin uniting the russian speaking diaspora of eastern europe via SMO in order to defend themselves against ethnic persecution.

@JFKisAFK1963 7 месяцев назад

@@jimmyjames5685 Well Putin already killed many times more "ethnic Russians" in 1.5 years than the evil genocidal Ukrainians could manage in 8 years so I guess Putin is the one carrying out the ethnic persecution of Russians

@kadyrov3218 23 дня назад

NATO did. And the Azov Battalion and other Right Wing Battalions. Also Boris Johnson did. March 2022.

@user-rm8ec2uo9o 4 месяца назад

Pols got a third optio: ally themselves with Czech. Pols got numbers, Czech got industry.

@Ema6835 2 месяца назад

This ain't Hoi4

@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 3 года назад

Let's start with obvious fact. None of great powers liked or needed Poland, except AH for a brief moment. 1. Versailles recreated Poland from lands conquered by Russia, Prussia and Austria in 18th century. AH as successor of both Prussia and Austria wanted polish lands back. Similar with Stalin and USSR. 2. French & English needed reestablishment of 1914 coalition with Russia in order to defeat German industrial & military power. Poland separated Russia and Germany. So they kinda have to get rid of Polish buffer, to make German-Russian war happen. 3. However, AH's objective was destroying communism. He was thinking about using Poland against USSR. Therefore, he changed antiPolish policy of Weimar Republic into friendly one. 4. Polish dictator Jozef (Joseph) Pilsudski in his final years wanted to use this opportunity. He suggested to his successor s that Poland should have equal distance with main enemies USSR and Germany. 5. His successors (triumvirate: military commander Rydz-Smigly, formal president Moscicki & foreign affairs minister J. Beck) continued friendly relations with Germany. That severed Polish-French treaty. 6. Poland and Czechoslovakia were hostile because of border conflict. However, Poland wasn't much aggressive towards Prague. They hadn't procured CzS collapse. Polish leaders were simply opportunists who took advantage of Munich to get small parts of CzS with Polish people. 7. What's ironic. Everybody viewed Poland as AH ally, which Poland wasn't. For Entente Poland was unfaithful ally, who flirted with Germans. USSR was aware of possibility of German march through friendly Poland towards Moscow. Even Hitler had his hopes. Only the polish leaders were clueless. 8. Britain in order to prevent German-Polish coalition offered assurance to Poland on 31 March 1939. Polish leaders accepted British offer and became Germans' enemy. AH had to eliminate Poland before taking revenge on France. 9. However, for Entente Poland was redundant weak ally which could be disposed to get real, strong ally in the East. Which means USSR.

@ee9117 3 года назад

I watched somwhere that French at the time considered Poland stronger then USSR, mainly because bias towards communism similar like Hitler was. They thought alliance with Poland was enough.

@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 3 года назад

@inxxcenturyfox Simple answer. Even if these lands didn't belong to Poland, that does not mean they should belong to USSR. Stalin didn't want to create sovereign, democratic states of Ukraine & Belarus.

@Bingo_Bango_ 3 года назад

"AH had to eliminate Poland before taking revenge on France." -- this view requires invasion of France as a predicate, when in reality, Hitler's own intentions were always to invade Poland first. This scenario was not generated by any actions of the British, who had to this point consistently supported German reclamation of "German" lands, i.e. the useful Munich. To put it another way, the British guarantee of Polish sovereignty, should have only motivated a German invasion of Poland... if the Germans intended to invade anyway, or to pressure Poland into status as a subject state. Which, we now know and understand beyond a shadow of a doubt (history is not a blind-spot), they did.

@Bingo_Bango_ 3 года назад

@inxxcenturyfox Construing pre-war Polish interest in the mistreatment of Poles outside of Poland's borders with "disrespect for minorities" is a classic war-propaganda German pejorative. It's a lot harder to fault people for not intervening before the genocides when you see people still getting fooled by such things today, they were damn good at it.

@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 3 года назад

@@Bingo_Bango_ Hitler's general objective was German supremacy on the continent. So in any scenario Czech, Poland, France, Russia were in the way. However, it was a long way. Hitler started with easier targets and to steadily gain power (and resources). Saara, Austria, Czech, Slovakia, Klaipeda, Poland. Entente wanted to delay the war. But delay also served strengthening Hitler's power. He acquired Czech industry, Silesia coal, etc.

@CS-in3pg 3 года назад

TIK, I just wanted to say thank you so very much for all of your work on all aspects of WWII. I am a 55yr old former United States Marine who has been studying everything I can get my hands on about WWII practically since birth. I have never failed to gain greater insight and understanding of this subject while watching your work on this channel. Well done!!

@gianlucagarattoni6394 Год назад

I cannot get enough of your videos. They are amazing

@tellerboy48 3 года назад

Man I just going in oh your whole video catalog right now lmao I love your ability to see both sides and what not

@TalkernateHistory 3 года назад

You joke, but that's really the only way to solve the Canadian Question

@byzantion1683 3 года назад

that's why alaska was purchased and clearly it failed

@michaelthayer5351 3 года назад

Matt and Max any ETA on the new podcast?

@TalkernateHistory 3 года назад

@@michaelthayer5351 The Audio is almost done. Then I have to do the video. It will probably be a couple weeks. It's going to a good one. It's a subject we've alluded to several times.

@xxxyyy1880 3 года назад

Its impossible to solve Canadian Question in only 2 and half years, with these railroad scedules and having only few owens.

@byzantion1683 3 года назад

@@xxxyyy1880 ig that's why trump wanted 8 years and more industry while depriving canada of its own oven making ability

@Drain-Life-Archive 3 года назад

Poland was doomed from the start due to its location between 2 bigger hostile countries. I don't think there was any card it could have played to save itself from that massacre.

@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag 3 года назад

If they allied with the USSR they wouldn't have lost about 20% of their population to German extermination camps.

@stevewhite3424 3 года назад

@@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag yeah because the Soviets treated the polls so much better... From Wikipedia 500,000 Polish nationals imprisoned before June 1941 (90% male)[1] 22,000 Polish military personnel and officials killed in the Katyn massacre alone[2] 1,700,000 Poles deported to Siberia in 1939-1941[3] 100,000 women raped during the Soviet counter-offensive (est.)[4] 150,000 killed by the Soviets [5]

@borowikszatanski4950 3 года назад

From the start of XXc, yes. After 123 years of destroing polish nationality, culture, lands and people, before that poland hadn't any bigger problem with germany nor russia

@Drain-Life-Archive 3 года назад

The USSR was no friend of Poland. They would have happily enslaved or exterminated it themselves. Stalin however was always keen to avoid looking like a villain whenever possible. That's why they let Germany invade it first. The allies then declared war on Germany, but not Russia (hur hur).

@IosifStalinsendsyoutoGulag 3 года назад

@@stevewhite3424 Yeah, guess why? Exactly because they refused and forced the USSR to invade them. Btw, that's still way less victims than those that the Germans did and were planning to do. They were lucky to be between us and Berlin, because that's what saved them in the end.

@ZESAUCEBOSS 5 месяцев назад

I love how Putin’s entire argument doesn’t even consider the fact that the USSR invaded Poland in 1920. But then again- men like Putin seem to live in their own personal bubble(s)……….

@mountainmanmike1014 4 месяца назад

russia is not the soviet union any more.

@sapare7838 3 месяца назад

Ok, I don't get it. There are SO many posts saying USSR invaded Poland in 1920 and it just makes me scratch my head. Russia was still at the height of its civil war, Poland invaded Russia, even bias as all heck wiki agrees. "In 1919, while the Soviet Red Army was still preoccupied with the Russian Civil War of 1917-1922, the Polish Army moved into territories regarded by many Poles as Polish "Kresy". That year, they took most of present-day Lithuania and Belarus. By July 1919, Polish forces had taken control of much of Eastern Galicia and had emerged victorious from the Polish-Ukrainian War of November 1918 to July 1919."(END QUOTE) Post liberation Poland was a incredibly vicious state that saw itself as the new power of the area and grabbed territory from everyone close by. Putin is not totally wrong in his opinion, but we can at least agree on the basic fact that Poland started hostilities with the USSR while they were fighting for their very survival against the allies. USSR simply returned the favour.

@ZESAUCEBOSS 3 месяца назад

@@sapare7838 you should be aware you are making a neo-Nazi argument that has been debunked

@aAverageFan 3 месяца назад

@@ZESAUCEBOSS The neo-Nazi argument is actually believing that the USSR was allied with Germany

@qwerty-tv9wc Месяц назад

How did Soviet troops found themselves in Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania? And would you describe prewar Czechoslovakia as a "vicious aggressive" power because of her wars with Poland and Hungary?

@sfbismarck9537 2 года назад

I just find it funny that the treaties between Poland and the Allies for help in case of Invasion was just directed at Germany not Russia.

@damir1762 3 года назад

I don't get, maybe it's my bad English, but Putin does not state that Poland brought Nazi aggression on herself but instead that Polish foreign policy was reckless resulting in Poland staying almost alone (at. least on a regional level) against German aggression. He does not justify Nazi or Soviet aggression against Poland but, in my opinion, tries to point out that would Poland cooperate with the Soviet Union and stay strong against aggressive German policy the war could have been avoided, or at least Germany would be stopped much earlier.

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

He says Poland has "annexationist plans" that were only stopped by Hitler.

@mvfc7637 3 года назад

TIK is a neo-liberal shill, “Orange man is colluding with Putin” video in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....

@damir1762 3 года назад

To add to this. If we express history to be a chain (to more like a directed acyclic graph) of events the only fair way to analyze it is to try to give interpretations on how one event (or sub-chain of events) affected immediately following. Of course, it is not possible to research every event so we need to allocate the most important events and identify clusters of events within a history chain or graph. However, the scale has very great importance in this analysis, so we can't just cut a big portion of events and create a dependency or relation between very far located nodes. And I feel it is exactly what is done sometimes in this video. There are possibly a few examples of this. First is that the Soviets would not leave Poland be after cooperation in the war against Germany. This statement is based on fact that the Soviets didn't basically did this after WW2. But we can't just through 5 years war of extermination out of the equation, as well as all events that came after. Another one is that the Soviets were not able to fight Germany prior to 1940. And this is possibly true but it is impossible to state that prior to 1940 it was widely considered as a fact.

@damir1762 3 года назад

Damn this nationalinterest.org such a shit website. Anyway, @TIK I found only 2 statements where "annexation" is mentioned: "Poland was aware that without Hitler's support, its annexationist plans were doomed to fail."" "Besides, we do not know if there were any secret "protocols" or annexes to agreements of a number of countries with the Nazis. " None of them any closely relates to "Poland has "annexationist plans" that were only stopped by Hitler."

@damir1762 3 года назад

I don't have anything against neoliberalism and TIK personally. And I actually agree that Putin's statements in many ways flawed. At least his article can not be interpreted as scientific. To me, this article is more like an appeal to analyze history from not only a one-sided point of view but consider other perspectives. Especially in highlights of the current political situation.

@vojticvojtic2631 3 года назад

Great video! Jus one (altough important) point - Sudetenland was NEVER a part of Germany. It was heavily populated by ethnic Germans (some 2-3 millions), but that was a result of medieval policies, when czech kings allowed german settlers to live in those mountains and make them livable by building villages, cities, bussinesses etc. It worked really well. German influence helped barely touched regions of bordeland wilderness to rise into very prosperous regions + the fact that the czech kingdom was a major player in the industry of the Austrian monarchy helped Czechoslovakia to become a very prosperous and modern country. That was later fucked up by Hitler and especially Stalin.

@GTAVictor9128 2 года назад

So basically like Texas, which was originally a sparsely populated part of Mexico, so they allowed American settlers to build out the region. Except that came back to bite Mexico as the settlers firmly allied themselves with the US (in huge part because slavery was illegal in Mexico, yet the settlers violated this by bringing in slaves anyway).

@eugenekearney6971 Год назад

@@GTAVictor9128 Well, that's an extremely short version, leaving out important elements, the whole Mexican revolution, constitution, guarantees, Santa Anna violating thee constitution, and the simple fact that it was not just the American settlers who then revolted.

@heartsofiron4ever Год назад

Sudetenland was part of HRE and Austria Hungary, which were basically, Prototype Germany, and 2nd Germany

@igorbrille8222 Год назад

Since 1307 were Germans King of Bohemia and also Kaiser of the Roman-German Empire

@JamesHenderson-wk4hd Год назад

Churchill destroyed Europe.

@unitedstatesofamericamilit8588 Год назад

Very informative. Extremely useful information. Thank you!

@thethirdman225 2 года назад

The Soviets and Nazis were allies in all but name… Not really. In a word, “Ploesti”…

@kapitankloss4657 3 года назад

Thank you for making the video. I just want to contribute little background information that is missing from your argument. While the events you discussed were unfolding Soviet Russia was engaged in genocide against its Polish citizens. Part of great purges of late thirties Russians murdered approximately 200000 (two hundred thousands) it's Polish Soviet citizens (Poles living within borders of CCCP). Genocide known as Polish Action was sanctioned by Stalin and Politbiuro. With such a context imagine Polish leadership agreeing on Russian behemoth army entering Poland borders.

@horsefish2525 3 года назад

Almost most forget about it

@captainblacktail8137 2 года назад

Yes, the Soviet Union engaged in genocide from 1937 to 1938 of the Polish minority living within it's border. NKVD Order #00485.

@Notsogoodguitarguy 4 месяца назад

USSR engaged in many genocides. They're just not spoken about cause they were on the side of the victors, and also because they made sure to cover their tracks as best as they could, while the nazis were pretty meticulous in their documentation of their crimes.

@suddenuprising 3 года назад

The ultimate "she was asking for it" argument

@icmull 3 года назад

She was showing her sexy little Danzig Corridor! How could I resist.

@theprezydent6250 3 года назад

@@icmull lmao

@TheEnergizer94 3 года назад

@@icmull 😏

@marcuslarsson9548 2 года назад

I Think yall are missing the point Putin tried to make, that because of Poland’s active attempts to undermine a common security system they enabled their own downfall

@bottlethrower1544 Год назад

Been waiting for this!

@patmax9005 Год назад

*💭"In AFRICA Every **_60Seconds_** A Minute Passes Away." 💯%FACT❗*

@robertalaverdov8147 3 года назад

While Poland was certainly not a completely innocent bystander in the lead up to war. They in no way "deserve" what happened. Nor did Polish leadership seriously plan some sort of Empire as Stalin and Hitler had. If anything they were practicing the most basic Realpolitik and trying to work things to their advantage without really supporting anyone and trying not to get invaded.

@4doorsdoubletheoes 3 года назад

I view it the same way. Leaders job is to put your nation in a better position and keep it from being invaded. But as history shows us, most leaders use the route of stealing resources from other nations other then self improvement and negotiations based on equal benefit.

@SDZ675 3 года назад

Yeah if only Poland let itself get peacefully partitioned just like back in the late 18th century.

@jeffersonkee6440 3 года назад

Poland's neighbors were Hungary, oops I mean hungry, and bit off a piece and swallowed it. Hitler and Stalin did the same in 1939.

@ktayba8303 2 года назад

If only. a polish state is always a failed state.

@maciejuczak1956 2 года назад

@@ktayba8303 a polish state is always a failed state. You serious? or this is sarcasm cuz i didnt get that :)

@theperson_12 2 года назад

@@maciejuczak1956 no i think he is actually serious somehow

@maciejuczak1956 2 года назад

@@theperson_12 yea i afraid that might be the case 😁 im just wait for confirmation before il write som more 😡

@janfelchner1543 Год назад

I'm watching this video in March'23, just over a year after Russia invaded Ukraine: Mr. Putin still claims he didn't start the war in Feb'22, that Russia is the victim and had no other option. Well, some people must live in a parallel universe.

@jurekprzychodzen6454 3 года назад

Good explanation and discussion of the international situation and the goals that the involved countries were pursuing. The arguments and logic are consistent and clear. This video is educating not only because it is informative, but because it explains reasoning behind the process of negotiating the international policy goals. If I could add my five cents here, I would say that Putin had an episode of truth telling when in 2009 in Gdańsk, Poland, during his address at the ceremony commemorating the 70th anniversary of the start of WW2, he said that the WW2 began because ‘two great nations were humiliated by the outcome of the WW1’. Even though he didn’t articulate it, by the two great nations he, of course, meant Russians and Germans, and by humiliation he could only have meant the re-appearance of Poland on the map of Europe. He, thus, admitted that at that time, both countries viewed the return of Polish statehood as the ultimate injustice. I think that Putin’s views on this matter ‘evolved’ in reaction to the hostile treatment of Russia by the West.

@DarthBigBen 3 года назад

Considering that Poland had fought tooth and nail for control of the Kresy, I’d be more surprised if they weren’t hostile to the USSR.

@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 3 года назад

Poland was hostile to the USSR after 1920 war. Pilsudski's regime viewed USSR as main threat as Weimar's Republic was demilitarised. When AH came to power he change antiPolish policy of Weimar into friendly one. Poland almost simultaneously signed non-aggresion treaties with USSR (1932) and Germany (1934) in order to stabilize its position between USSR and Germany. That was called policy of equal distance.

@erikthomsen4768 3 года назад

It is rare to see what with many consider minor country kick the ass of the Soviet Union and centuries before the greenhouse of the ottoman empire out of Central Europe. But some remember the Winged Hussars.

@fiatlux4058 3 года назад

@@joshuadimovski8842 Lol "poland-superpower" freak

@zackone6829 3 года назад

@@dubitacjuszszczecinski9695 I fully agree with you. Dobrze powiedziane!

@thebichocr7659 3 года назад

Where there WOD is Iraq?

@johnharker7194 3 года назад

I've always thought the notion that Poland was spoiling for a fight with a Germany that had waltzed through Czechoslovakia was absurd. Particularly when they knew about the Germany Soviet agreement to some extent.

@TheDa6781 3 года назад

Missed the part where he who shall not be named says that H. was a good guy and would not have started the war without Poland's help. He simply says that Poland and other powers by participating in the Munich agreement helped start the war by encouraging Hitler. Once Stalin saw that with regards to Hitler it is every man for himself, they acted accordingly. They seized a part of Poland to gain additional buffer space, but only when it was evident that Poland was lost and could not defend itself against the Nazis. Of course there were historic beefs and conflicts between various countries involved (Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia etc) but we are talking about the big picture here. Poland was certainly in a tough situation with regards to Germany and the Soviet union, but that is precisely why they never should have agreed with the Munich agreements. It was evident that the war was a real possibility and any policy of appeasement and changing of status quo was very dangerous. Churchill spoke about it frequently in the pre war years. He was also very opposed to the Munich agreement.

@Walrus-ji4qz Месяц назад

Britain also has a non agression pact with Nazi Germany . The Anglo German agreement and angli German Naval agreement.

@csernyzsolt5703 3 года назад

29:39 Disagree. Hitler offered the non agressive pact to Stalin, because he was the acting party so he had to had the "amen" to his plans. That is why Ribbentrop travelled to Moscow to get the deal, and not vice versa. Russia got 200 km buffer zone on West, (including the infamous Brest-Litovsk fortress) and the Balticum. It was a major factor why Leningrad was not captured by the Wermacht, because there were heavy fighting in Estonia even in oktober of 1941.

@Batmax192 3 года назад

yeap... that's why there was the need to capture Vilnius and kill Lithuanian patriots..

@Boyar300AV 3 года назад

He simply regained Russian territory lost in Russian Civil War. Brest Litovsk fortress was build by the Russian Emperial army.

@proudfootz 2 года назад

True, the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was probably one of the key reasons Hitler's Germany did not win the war.

@jinks.junior 3 года назад

Hi, it is Chris from Poland. Thanks for this video.

@youtubeuser1993 Год назад

Not to enter current happenings, which I know are not this channel's main focus, but I think it's fair to say that Putin's arguments are not just motivated by ignorance and one-sided view but also by trying to achieve political goals. But I really think he actually believes in this, so great video to understand how history is perceived, more than history itself, can profoundly affect the world.

@vadim01 3 года назад

Nice Video ТИК! I’m really enjoying your channel and want to express deepest respect for your work. You are really one of the few English-speaking channels, that is doing fact based reporting on the second world war. My deepest gratitude for that! Regarding Putins statements: He is a politician, who pushes the perspective of his own country. It is a show for the domestic media/population, so nothing new. But I wouldn’t dismiss everything he said as wrong as it is mostly a reaction to recent politics(Russia not invited to Holocaust Memorial in Auschwitz, NATO drills including german troops during 75. Anniversary of Op. Barbarossa, etc.) You have to evaluate the decisions of the USSR, from their perspective. By the end of the 30’s they have been invaded/intervened/”assisted” by about 10 - 20 foreign forces, if not more. During the Spanish civil war no other major power was supporting the government against the German/Italian backed coup. And this is a point I want to add. I am not a historian, so I'm happy to be corrected: Imagine you are a paranoid Stalin, who lived through the civil war and all allied interventions. After that you(and actually all other European politicians) had some time to read “Mein Kampf” and to imagine Hitlers ambitions. Then you kicked out Trotzky and have to watch, that none of the before intervening(communist fearing) countries are interested in the founder of the red army, perpetrator of the red terror and most internationalist revolutionary of the Bolshevik party. And after that you are the only country supporting a legal European government against a Coup d’Etat/revolution, while all the countries, that invaded you before have now signed a non-intervention agreement. To me it seems absolutely reasonable, that Stalin was planning and working in an all-hostile environment, assuming that all involved parties are interested in the dissolution of his country. And the same reasoning had propably all newly emerged Eastern-European countries including Poland. Most decisions were probably opportunistic just to win time or other advantages. And I could really imagine, that to him the Molotov-Ribbentrop paktum was a major strike against the capitalist/imperialist countries.

@markyoung950 3 года назад

As a result of the collapse of 3 empires at the end of WWI, there were a number of border wars in 1919 -1920 between the new european states. Poland fought, the Ukraine, Bolshevik Russia, Czechoslovakia and Lithuania. Hungary and Romania also had broder conflicts. From the Polish perspective, their territory was once part of the German and Russian Empires and as of 1933, they had a true devil on either side of their border. Each one wanting to reclaim territory lost. Alliance with either could backfire. Britain and France had no tutorial claims on Polish territory. The non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union was to regain territory lost at the end of WWI. Stalin could have supported Poland, as he did the Spanish Republicans, as a proxy with aid, against Nazi Germany. Which is what the Soviets did with eastern Europe after WWII. If Poland had 'rolled over' and given in to all of Hitler's territorial demands in 1939, I suppose that Poland would have been no better of the Czechoslovakia was the year before. The land west of the Soviet Union's 1939 border is much more agriculturally productive than the lands east of the Volga river. They are also more industrialized. Socialist Imperialism is correct.

@nvo7024 3 года назад

Minor correction: the most fertile land in the Soviet Union, the Ferghana Valley, was technically east of the Volga. In 1939 productivity per unit of labor was indeed at stone age levels, but output per acre was and is far above anything possible in Eastern Europe.

@markyoung950 3 года назад

@@nvo7024 That is in Tajikistan. What about that total agriculture out put of the Ukraine or Georgia? Lemons can be grown in Georgia. I can not doubt the value of the Ferghana Valley, but Moldova and Romania are valuable.

@nvo7024 3 года назад

@@markyoung950 Not Tajikistan alone, but also Uzbekistan and Kyrghyzstan; most of its territories was carved up for Uzbekistan. You are certainly correct about Romania/Moldova/Bessarabia, but not Georgia. Georgia is mostly mountains, there's no place for large-scale agriculture. Their key produce (other than wine and tea) is perishable; back in the 1939 it could not be physically delivered up north. Canned, perhaps; but Stalin needed trainloads of staple fruit, not canned tangerines.

@nvo7024 3 года назад

woops, staple food not fruit.

@markyoung950 3 года назад

@@nvo7024 foot note - in Stalin and the Scientists, Stalin liked horticulture and kept green houses which included Lemons. From this interest he had opinions about botany and biology. This is one reasion he backed Neo-Lemarckianism. He belived it possible to breed lemon trees that could grow in the arctic

@psikogeek 3 года назад

17:07 *INVADE CANADA* How dare they separate us from our Alaskan brothers?

@trillrifaxegrindor4411 3 года назад

want another beatdown ? try it, you really want your white house burnt down AGAIN?

@psikogeek 3 года назад

@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 I want to thank Canadians for not invading us in such a long time.

@janehrahan5116 3 года назад

Vancouver or war

@psikogeek 3 года назад

@@janehrahan5116 "Vancouver or war" LOL. Today, Windsor. Tomorrow, the Yukon.

@ciuyr2510 2 года назад

Funny watching this today, with Putin having his cards on the table now in Ukraine... Someone save us

@Principe6900 Год назад

How did Churchill describe the Polish government, when dealing with Germany's demands and Polands refusal with regard to crimes committed against Germans in "Poland" as well as the Corridor / Danzig? :)

@dbassman27 3 года назад

It should be noted that shortly after the German invasion of Russia, when Great Britain entered into negotiations with Stalin with respect to an alliance against Hitler, the Soviets demanded that Great Britain "recognize" the Soviet borders as being those she had after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed (i.e. her acquisition of Eastern Poland and the Baltic states).

@arras7224 3 года назад

Yes, but you need to mention that borders of Poland after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact were the same borders Britain have recognized already in 1919, when Poland was created with the help of Britain. And that what you call "Eastern Poland" in in reality rather Western Ukraine, Western Lithuania and Western Belarus that Poland have grabbed in 1918-1922 when Russia was fighting civil war. You need to mention that "Molotov-Ribentrop Pact border" was first proposed by British Foreign Secretary George Curzon in 1919 and is to this day known not as Molotov-Ribbentrop line, but Curzon line: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line ...history is full of surprises, isn't it?

@BrotherKramer 3 года назад

@@arras7224 Kudos to you friend and i will add: Curzone Line is based on majority of language users (nationality in east Europa was a bit fluid term) and first Molotov-Ribentrop Pact border draft was closer to pre WWI border lines.

@jussim.konttinen4981 3 года назад

@@arras7224 Couple of thousand Soviet citizens fought in the Finnish army. They were persecuted in Finland until 1950s by the communist police, therefore deported to the USSR. However, they received a pension from Finland. I bet they never talked about the war.

@dbassman27 3 года назад

@@arras7224 The Curzon Line was only a recommendation. Poland had always reserved the right to establish her own frontiers. The Peace of Riga established the Soviet - Polish border.

@arras7224 3 года назад

@@dbassman27 So was Polish right after British recognition of Soviet border in 1945.

@USAACbrat 3 года назад

Would the fact that Poland had recently fought Russia over territory; had anything to do with it.

@Leb0wski72 3 года назад

What territory? When? Russia occupied Poland for over 120 the land loss was never recovered. Or perhaps you mean soviet invasion of 1920?

@77mako77ful 3 года назад

@@Leb0wski72 to jest ignorant historyczny, nie ma pojęcia o ziemiach polskich przedwojennych a co tu wspominac o Polsce z przed rozbiorów

@vikhad 3 года назад

@@Leb0wski72befor this was Polish invasion, Poland start war first trying to retake lands what he realised as Polish, now there are territories of Ukrane, Belorussia, Lithuania and maybe some others countries. Polish troops even took the Kiev/Kyiv, but then expelled and pushed to the west and must fought for survival against bolsheviks on territory of polish mainland.

@Sentekuu 3 года назад

@@vikhad And won, kicking the russians out, stoping the bolshevik revolution in a good portion of Europe and taking western Belarus and Ukraine. After the war the Soviets were practically dying of the great hunger XD. What a great coutntry, the soviet union, a true communist utopia. *wink, wink*. (Sarcasm of course)

@RustedCroaker 3 года назад

@@Sentekuu "And won" - not for long.

@astralfoxy1787 3 месяца назад

17:30 - Canada is not independent country, its a nonsense to compare that way. 19:05 - But Poland was not aggressive. You get the point. 21:40 That's nonsense. If you wont fight to something what you cant benefit from not mean you are "defensive".

@heavenbright2342 Год назад

The titular question should be divided into (2) mutually unrelated questions: 1. Did Poland bring about its own destruction? 2. Did Poland have an aggressive foreign policy that was in itself an element that triggered Hitler's invasion. I think we can all agree that 1. is a NO. Poland did not deserve what was wrought onto it by Germany and USSR. But did Poland have an aggressive foreign policy? Maybe.

@fakeplaystore7991 3 года назад

THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR THE LEAF QUESTION SHALL BE ACHIEVED!

@Raskolnikov70 3 года назад

Just raise the prices of their luxury canned soups another Loonie or two and that should finish them off for good.

@essexclass8168 3 года назад

Raise the Rakeswehr?

@someguy8732 3 года назад

@@essexclass8168 Don't you dare try it. Soon you'll be sorry too, you'll all be sorry!

@someguy8732 3 года назад

@@essexclass8168 British Columbia is Appalachia on steroids

@qalette 3 года назад

I'm sorry, but in Putin's citations Germany is clearly pointed out as aggressor, not Poland. Poland (and its Western allies) are not accused of aggression, but of *naïveté.* It is intellectually very dishonest to claim that Putin calls "Hitler an innocent guy" 5:45 Just started the video and I hope it gets more nuanced, as is usually the case (and I really love your channel for that!), but this really is a bad take, TIK. Don't forget that Putin is from Leningrad and that his family has lost life and health during the Leningrad Blockade. He knows who the aggressor was, and he never called Hitler an "innocent guy" nor would he. Now back to watching the video! : )

@ehanoldaccount5893 3 года назад

The Polish and the Germans had talks about invading Russia during the 30’s Hitler’s ambitions were to simply destroy the Soviets, the war against humanity evolved as the war raged on and then extended to all slavs.

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

Putin said - “Poland was also engaged in the partition of Czechoslovakia along with Germany. They decided together in advance who would get what Czechoslovak territories.... Poland was aware that without Hitler's support, its annexationist plans were doomed to fail...” Yet you interpret this as Putin saying Poland wasn't aggressive? - "Poland (and its Western allies) are not accused of aggression" I'm sorry but this isn't a "bad take" on my part. Putin literally says Poland has "annexationist plans".

@niranjansrinivasan4042 3 года назад

@@TheImperatorKnight Yes, Putin implied Poland was the aggressor but that does not imply him accepting Hitler as 'innocent'. I think there is a misunderstanding in the comment posted here that confused Putin's view and some guys who want to use this to push this view that Poland was aggressor and thus Hitler was 'innocent' as you mentioned in your video. Btw, Im from India, love your videos as always.

@TheImperatorKnight 3 года назад

"Yes, Putin implied Poland was the aggressor but that does not imply him accepting Hitler as 'innocent'." Of course it does. If Poland is the aggressor, then Hitler was reacting to Poland's aggression, much like Putin claims that the Soviet Union was innocent for reacting to Poland's aggression.

@mvfc7637 3 года назад

TIK is a neo-liberal shill, he’s slowly exposing his agenda via some of his anti-Putin statements, how long before we see an “Orange Man colluded with Putin” video??

@payam24601 2 года назад

The US mainland-Alaska analogy is not accurate for two big reasons: 1) The US purchased the Alaskan exclave and never had land access to that territory, while east Prussia was "made" an exclave as a result of WW1. So, if the US gained control of British Columbia in the treaty of Oregon, kept it for centuries, then lost it after a humiliating war, the two situations would be comparable. 2) The cultural/historical backgrounds of the US and Canada are very close due to their shared origin as British colonies and they are relatively young nations compared to the old world states. Thus, it was much easier to negotiate peaceful solutions to logistical/territorial questions than it was with Germans and Poles that had centuries of separate linguistic, cultural, and religious developments. Now, to be clear I do NOT agree with Putin's views nor the neo-Nazi excuses to pin the blame on Poland. The polish corridor was just an excuse for Hitler to start a war of conquest in the east, but still, this was a much more solid excuse than a hypothetical US-Canada dispute over connecting Alaska to the US mainland.

@ottersirotten4290 2 года назад

He seriously made THAT Comparision? wtf?! I stopped watching after he made the point that this and that are Notsee Talkingpoints and therefore wrong but apparantly his Vid got even dumber later on

@henryviii6341 2 года назад

this is one of the best TIK. please do more contemporary politics with History.

@MakeMeThinkAgain 3 года назад

If Poland was RESPONSIBLE because the cooperated with Germany in dividing up Czechoslovakia then wouldn't the USSR be RESPONSIBLE because they cooperated in dividing up Poland? Of course, but what was Poland or Britain doing that provoked war? Isn't this like blaming South Korea and the USA for the Korean War? I do think that Chamberlain MAY have just been trying to buy time so the British could rearm and stand a chance of facing Germany. There was very little Britain COULD have done militarily at the time of Munich.

@user-dp4ok9ox5w 3 года назад

Thing is Russians do not claim that USSR was not "responsible". You miss their point. Which is that their hand was forced (not only by Germany, but also) by the Western allies and countries like Poland.

@jamesbeeching4341 3 года назад

I think Chamberlain was doing both...Buying time AND trying to prevent a European war

@MargaritaMagdalena 3 года назад

Why do you think Chamberlain was trying to rearm and Britain could do little in 1938?

@MargaritaMagdalena 3 года назад

@@jamesbeeching4341 Why do you think Chamberlain was buying time?

@MargaritaMagdalena 3 года назад

The destruction of Czechoslovakia made Hitler much stronger militarily and economically. The Czechs had a big army and were protected by their mountains and well fortified border. The Germans would have suffered big losses if they tried to take them by force. The Czechs also had big industries, which were now in German hands. The Soviet occupation of Western Ukraine and Belarus in 1939 did the opposite because they prevented the Nazi troops from coming directly to the Soviet border. In 1941 the Germans came really close to Moscow, had they occupied all of Poland in 1939 it's possible that they would have reached Moscow in 1941 and win the war.

@vilegione4569 3 года назад

I fail to see where putin says that Poland was the reason the war started and Germany was "forced" to go to war. Maybe is implicit and I did not understanded it. The video is not really interesting but maybe it should have separated the Putin wiew from that of the other work because Putin do not say a single thing about it (from what I understood), so taking for granted that his positions are the same of the pro nazi historian is not the best thing to do. Sometimes in your videos these things happen especially when talking about historical things that are strongly politically related (is totally normal to do this and I do it myself many times). I'm not defending neither of those wiews (Putin's one or the other author) but I think they should be considered separatedly otherwise we might fail in our analysis or debunking (and people might get clingy about it). That said i like a lot your channel, you do a really good work. Sorry for my bad english, I'm not a native speaker and did not pay much attention in school (regretted later on).

@trpcp 3 года назад

but thats exactl what one should do. If someone sacrifices history on altar of politics, one should sacrifice the rhetoric in question on different altar of politics thus showing that the politician defeted himself. He is an actor in only one country.

@vilegione4569 3 года назад

@@trpcp I kinda understood what you said. Comparing those wiews is ok and important but as I said they should be treated separatedly since neither of the two parties said they agree with each other. I was just saying that some assumptions were (in my opinion) incorrect (incorrects?) because i saw no concrete foundations for those.

@i-etranger 3 года назад

@@vilegione4569 agree with you. Also I'd love everyone of us in this thread to have English as good and clear as yours. :)

@vilegione4569 3 года назад

@@i-etranger thank you, I put lots of effort in writing things clearly. I did not browse comments often so I do not know what are the lenguage standards.

@allanpatterson7653 3 года назад

The map of Europe has changed over the centuries. Was France due for military occupation because of Napoleon? WW1 was not their first rodeo.

@Warriorking.1963 3 года назад

Good job mate, excellent video!

@Observer29830 3 года назад

I find your interpretation of Putin's words rather confusing. In 5:35 you say that if Putin thinks that Poland brought about its own destruction, it means he thinks Poland caused WW2 by "forcing Germany to go to war". At the same time, the quotes you mention clearly state that "It was naive to believe that Hitler, once done with Czechoslovakia, would not make any territorial claims" (4:20) and that the activities of the Polish leadership impeded the formation of the alliance between Britain, France, and the USSR (4:40). He's saying that Hitler would inevitably start the war, thus taking the blame for causing it, but Poland is responsible for preventing an effective response to it from allies due to its own ambition. I think this is the argument you should be addressing, rather than the argument you first built up and then dismantled.

@proudfootz 2 года назад

It's difficult to determine how TIK is able to twist Putin's remarks into anything like 'Hitler is innocent'.

@ThomasOeser 2 года назад

I'd say that TIK has some cognitive dissonance issues here.

@awannagannaful 3 года назад

Perhaps Putin's point is that each country played a role and should be seen as counter narrative of often ignored factors. Putin of all people, as a Russian, has zero sympathy for Nazi Germany or Stalin. The whole "Nazis were the only reason for ww2" narrative is conveniently simplistic in absolving all other parties for providing the ingredients for 2 world wars. There is no understanding of ww2 without understanding the reasons for ww1 and the unresolved issues following its conclusion. Just as the Soviet perspective isn't 100% right, neither is the British one mate. Blocking Germany from oil and gas markets while enriching yourself from a worldwide empire and expecting to control mainland Europe from an island would eventually run into 'problems' like ww1 and ww2. Sometimes, you end up with the neighbours you deserve.. or at least helped create. Perhaps that best summarises Putin's point, and he knows a lot about hostile neighbours the USSR helped create.

@williamoccam3681 3 года назад

@maciejl20 The only problem - what they took was theirs, it was given to them by the Treaty of Versailles (that very treaty that reestablished Poland!), remenber the Curzon line? This same treaty proclaimed Danzig a "free" not a "Polish" city, did Poland ever cared? And at the time they took back what was theirs, Poland was no more - the brave and noble Polish government had fled the country, betraying its fighting army and its people! Unfortunately the present Poland government is the same slow learner - it took Germany half a century to get Eastern Germany back, do they realy believe they will dver forget about Eastern Prussia (the Eastern Prussia that Stalin gave to Poland!)?

@benismann 3 года назад

Yeah, it wasn't as simple as it's presented. Like uhh, there's nazi germany, clearly pushing anti-soviet narrative, and it starts ww2. But at the same time Britain and (to a lesser extent) France are not only feeding him, but also are responsible for the bordergore and humiliation of Germany (which is kinda why Hitler is here), and US were there too. At the same time the Soviets are scary because they're anticapitalists and fought a bloody civil war, which was caused by a lot of things, but fired mostly because of the ww1 and the whites rebelling against the bolshevik coup. That's already covers most of the big players on the world stage, and we didn't even touched the "but wait, who started ww1?" Thingy

@perun196 2 года назад

A Big Thank You for this video.

@somepolishguy5977 2 года назад

Good comment would be: "Did Ukraine bring full war on her own in 2022 because of her Aggressive Policy?" (sacrasm of course) - history likes the rythm. Times changes - imperial policies of some nations don't - just names and flags.

@dmitryletov8138 Год назад

Dear friend, after USSR dissolution Ukraine promissed to great powers to stay neutral, however on Nov 22nd 2002 Ukraine started very close partnership with NATO...