Did poor refereeing decide the 2023 Rugby World Cup final? | It's Only Sport 

I’m with you. What a defensive effort from SA.

100%

apart from he admitted getting Ardies penalty wrong but failed to refer it to tmo so I dont see that as well done

​@@actiaintthat's not what he said, he said sorry, I've made my decision.

​@@actiaintThe more you repeat that lie the more deluded and bitter you seem. The All Blacks simply aren't as good at World Cup rugby as the Springboks. Deal with it.

@@actiaint he said "Sorry I did not see the replay". He never said he got the call wrong. He said he missed the replay.

Good comment This is a big challenge for rugby to address and after a World Cup, before a new cup cycle gathers energy is the time for decisions and clear evaluations. in the "old days" (ie, a couple of years ago) the ref would make the final call in the game, and leave any citing to the blazers within the following 24 hours. Pound-to-a-penny, for the Cane tackle that was red-carded, Barnes would have given yellow or even just a penalty. Is it time to return to the on-field calls being King? Also, notice there was no HIA protocols for either player despite a "high degree of danger" Is there a logic that TMOs get to decide if players must leave the field for assessments? I really hope not, but the logic is for this to also happen.... seems like rugby is ebbing away

Did not hear ref but Barnes is a barrister and people from the legal fraternity dont normally apologise

Exactly... people hear what they want to hear...

Exactly!! But let's not spoil a good story with facts 😂😂

He got that call completely wrong Boks got 3points from a wrong decision

@@chirwaa If you go through the game you will find many many incidents where the ref should/shouldnt have given penalties. But in the moment he makes the calls. Was that 1 call harsh, yes it probably was. But he never said he got it wrong he called it as he saw it.

All players need to learn how to tackle, captains especially..!!. Where did these high tackles come from ? All of a sudden, head/shoulder on head contact is the norm, and then players whinge about concussion. It's the players' own faults, don't cry to your mummies and blame the refs, learn to tackle like men, don't take liberties and cheap shots. Leave the refs alone and kick your goals, simple Simon...

@@jamesgrieve188 Imagine beating the 2011 French team by 1 point at home, after they lost two pool games.

4X, back to back on foreign soil. 50% win rate at World Cups. Hardest run to the final ever. Best Cup Team ever. NZ were forgettable and over time this NZ team will be forgotten. The team that could have, but didn’t. Siya and the mighty 2019-2023 Boks have created a legendary story of 1 point margins and grit you could hardly imagine. Get back in your box.

@@jamesgrieve188 Otherwise you well? We are celebrating. Hard luck for your loss.

@@jamesgrieve188i like the way you spin that. Worst ever vs best ever. 14 players, 1 point. Is that how you digest the loss? Grow up mate. Teach your team discipline and how to take points on offer. FYI we had the hardest route to a final ever. We were burnt out before the final and still managed to beat NZ. Quite a feat mate.

@@westscotindex8972 Well you did it three times. So why don’t you imagine it.

Red cards and Yellow cards are for Lack of discipline. Getting kicked out of Rugby is for people with malicious intent.

Ag Andre. Hoekom immegreer jy nie na NZ. Of is jy dalk al klaar daar. .

Alles gaan oor geld. Daar is nie 'n sport waar dit nie 'n invloed het nie. Wat 'n stupid opmerking.

Sam Cane was just schoolboy tackling. That was a clear red card. Even more disappointing that it came from the captain.

​@@Trablaz, a players head goes into someones shoulder is not dangerous , head on head clash is , nothing done about kolisi's head clash .

Barnes admitted to Savea he did not commit a penalty, should he have taken the 3 points off?

​@@jdb9388lol go watch the match again. It was a completely different offense that was being discussed

We're not in a court of law..at least not yet...the way things are going may be a forensic scrutiny of every second of the game

@@jdb9388 😆 Nonsense, that's not what he said! 🤘😆

​@@jdb9388he didn't. He said "I'm sorry" in a polite way, not to mean he'd made the wrong call

Thank you my man. A REAL GOOD BUGGER. A true rugby supporter

Hardly the best team on the field when they won by 1 point playing 15 against 14 most of the game.

@@kevinbateman9929 The Rugby God's were on the side of South Africa. And in the end we only remember the winner "2023 Rugby World Cup".Better luck and referee next time Kiwi

​@@kevinbateman9929sourgrapes

Cry some more.@@kevinbateman9929

We played with 14 men with 20 minutes, a flanker at hooker for 78 mins. We adjusted. NZ did not. @@kevinbateman9929

Not too bright are you cob

He complained about the refereeing in a SA game, it was not about refereeing in general. Accusations of nick berry being bias against his team is not a warning to WR about the overall standard of officiating.

@@simonjeffs75 Yet the current complaints stem from the refereeing of the Final game and not rugby in general. At the beginning of his discussion he literally said all the headlines are about the red card. Not in the tournament or in rugby in general but in this specific game. Does that make him wrong? No one was making complaints about the refs or tmo's prior to the world cup but when everyone felt they were on the end of a bad decision you started seeing it from the French/Irish/English and now NZ too. So whether or not Rassie was doing it with regards to his team in reality so is everyone else. And in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that, just don't use the holier than thou angle because it's very obvious this is about each individual team and not for the greater good of rugby.

@@simonjeffs75 Berry was pathetic in that first British Isles game. Rassie asked for explanations but none were forth coming. He was correct on almost every point made, even 2 spear tackles on the Boks were not even penalised. Go speak to your Aussie crowd who leaked that video

My sentiments exactly!

@@simonjeffs75 the refereeing in the first british lions test was disgusting and thats why he asked for clarification. He did no get it until later in the week. Thats why he sent the video to world rugby. Someone leaked it and it is rumored it came from a certain person in austalia. I suspect that I know who it is

So in other words you agree with a number of the points but also disagree? The ref is only a person who can't see everything, giving the help through the TMO just makes sense. At the end of the day it is not about blowing smoke up the refs butt rather doing all we can to makes sure we get it as correct as possible.

isn't that what the touch judges are for ? there's already 3 refs on the park, they don't need a tmo yabbering in the refs ear picking everything up from 10 minutes ago and wasting 4 or 5 minutes of rugby to go back to a missed minor infringement, it's screwing the game up even more than the rule changes have already made a mockery out of rugby.

@kobusvanrensburg4092 The final was won in the board room. They should have just sang their national anthems. Then have the trophy presentation. If you listen to the the South African commentators with the last scrum. Set twice. With 30 Cameras focused on the scrum, NAH! NO! NO! No excuses. There is no room for doubt, that the match was fixed. Ek is 'n Suid Afrikaaner. I do NOT blame anybody on the South African side. Billy Booooomount and his cronies fixed that match. Please do not set up a Zondo commission to investigate match

Absolutely brother. The two best teams were in the final, it was close, Pollard was a sniper, we can only hope they run it back again in four years, with better TMO's. Enjoy your celebrations. 🙂

I hate stops in play. Tmo is one of them . Injury is another . Scrums take too long there are solutions for all these. Sort it settle on good rules and stick to them . What is this silly changing of the rules every year anyway???

Not true nz has not liked barnes since 2007 this guy martin devlin is always bitter bitter sells story's and gets people talking david Moffat is a useless twat also didn't do much good for nz rugby most kiwis believe south Africa deserve the win but not the red card not arguing a card but yellow would have been sufficient unfortunately an interview like this brings out the worst in people which explains the comments from both fans south Africa fans have made me enjoy their win with how humble they have been and the love and respect shown after their victory for us and their team if anyone we could lose to I'm glad it was south Africa but in this video comment section it appears both teams fans have lost that and Martin has a way of making people angry angry people say dumb shit at the end of the day congratulations south Africa great game your boys are a great team of champions and even better people love the rivalry no games compare to all blacks and south Africa always a battle that's hard to watch but you can't look away love and respect from New zealand enjoy your next 4 years as champions

@@patricklawrence4449 I choose to believe ZA narrowly beat a worthy and respected rival in a hard-fought contest. Internet trolls and wannabee pundits be damned. You can hold your heads up high NZ. Respect.

well everyone is crying about faf 's knock on what about the ball what went forward with Barrett scoring a try so this is only one sided again

@alangrant5278 The final was won in the board room. They should have just sang their national anthems. Then have the trophy presentation. If you listen to the the South African commentators with the last scrum. there is no room for doubt, that the match was fixed

It’s normally the NZrs and Aussies who keep changing the rules cos you want it to be more like Rugby League so you can market it to your market, now you just crying again

semi finals....best games????? Argentina has a poor level against blacks and the other one is a match with up and under each minute, a very poor rugby style!!!!!

Their try resulted from a forward pass, but I deeply admire the All Blacks. I detest the tendency to make excuses, as it detracts from the game. If we engage in the blame game with the referees, we must harken back to the 2011 final, where the favor was in the All Blacks' court, and the 2015 semi-finals, where once more, the All Blacks scored a try from a forward pass.

@@cestovafyo3289 that's not true, the pass was not forward. Let's not perpetuate that myth because it merely adds fuel to the fire.

I think they’re just upset that they couldn’t beat a Springboks team missing some of their key players.

1.Etzerbeth lazy running resulted in no card 2.Sevea penalized when he clearly turned over the ball 3.Eben Etzerbeth elbow charge

@@chirwaa you're clutching at straws mate. Grow up.

Ya fluked it, admit it, that clown 🤡 Erasmus can never whinge about reffing again...#entitledpr$ck 🤮

True, the ref didn’t see the Canes collision and Kholisi tried to alert him and he didn’t mind him. Until TMO pointed it out

And kolisi's head on head contact+

Exacerly!

@@geoffhughes225 totally different. Are you blind or stupid. Cane was upright and Kolisi was a long way bent at the knee. Please go and learn the rules of rugby

The governing body of rugby and sum refs barnes included are not pure like the players it's rigged always has been and this tournament was one of the worst world cups ever.

There were no professional fouls in that game, except maybe for the Ezebeth lazy return back onside to interrupt the play, for which he got away with it. Cane did not aim for the head on purpose, nor Kolisi, nor did the NZ #6 even know the #2s leg was in that position.

Your talking rubbish

The truth of it. New Zealand has always played the numbers game with illegal play. The game has changed. They need to adapt.

thank you I have spoken about cynical AB fouls for years that were not punished. Now BIG BROTHER is watching and things have changed, especially the red and yellow cards

I agree - the ABs lost that game! They had the opportunities and they did NOT take it - that game was there for the taking! Fair game to the Boks - well done World Champions!

That was dumb alright! against Ireland we took all points on offer then seemed to forget that in the Final.. however these cards and TMO interventions are getting over the top! and most of the offences that are given cards are just accidental, if they were deliberately going out to do it then the carding policy would have an effect.

Different. The clock was winding down and we needed at least 6 pts. Momentum in forwards was good

Always always take points on offer. And make sure your kicks land. Both Mounga and Barrett kicked two wayward goals that on any other day they would land. The reffing changed the face of the game not the possible outcome. SA were probably as relieved as anybody when the final whistle went. They looked absolutely out of it.

Penalties should be worth 2 points. Who wants a game thats only Penalty kicks? Boooring 😴 That's my hot take

​, I would not consider it a hot take. It's more like a dumb take

Springboks put the heat on from the start .They put the points on the board 12 -3 and then defended for their life. All Blacks didn't lose it , they got beaten .

He did indeed not apologize, I find it insane that pundits are saying he did? They are moaning but didn’t even bother to rewatch or at least do the research to see if they are correct before doubling down. It’s shocking actually

yes, that was 100 % a forward pass,

What time of the game was the forward pass? I saw a ball been passed but landed on the ground then went forwards and then was caught . Just wandering.

​@@Don-ym8cmIt was a fair try

No mate rugby actually getting bigger and rugby might be better without salty cheating all blacks glad south africa out of super rugby the new Zeeland and Australian ref where must corrupt refrees ever 😂

Lol

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Do you think that I the rough and tumble of the break down accidentally falling on the leg of a player lying on the ground is a yellow card ? If so go back to your knitting dearly.

​@@kevinbateman9929Given your inability to deal with defeat at the hands of the 'winningiest' (in Kiwi parlance) team in Rugby World Cup history, i suggest that it is you who should take up knitting😂

I wasn’t going to post about the New Zealand fans being sore losers because I have a lot of Kiwi friends but it’s getting ridiculous. Here are the facts that need to be understood, swallowed and digested. The best team did not lose, the best team won. That’s how it works. 1. You had 61% possession but failed to convert it into points 2. There is no referee conspiracy 3. There is no bribery and corruption 4. You missed 2 kicks - we missed 0 5. You got 1 yellow card and 1 Red 6. We got 2 yellow cards 7. We out muscled you on the field with immense defence 8. You confidently decided to kick for the corner when points were on offer 9. You made numerous handling errors 10. Your ill discipline cost you at vital moments 11. Some calls didn’t go your way but that’s rugby and it happens 12. Some calls didn’t go our way either 13. Certain decisions cost you big You have no one to blame but yourselves. It’s time to get honest and clear with yourselves, admit you lost fair and square and congratulate your old foe and leave it at that. We have lost to you numerous times and we have never cried foul like this. We take the loss on the chin and move on. This is not your last rodeo and you will be back to beat us once more. The Boks are world champions after one hell of a battle. We have nothing but immense respect for the Kiwis. Don’t tarnish it with the sore loser antics and moaning. We know losing sucks - we’ve been there many times - just not yesterday. For the love of the game!

@@kevinbateman9929 iffy about that one too. But i can accept it, as at least a penalty and a yellow at most.

@@kingchett26 well thought out and written👍

Exactly, they are so sour they are now on the big screen playing their dirty tricks.

So how do you propose the ref decides based on intent? Not even courts get that always right. Intent can never be the basis of a split second decision, it must be based on outcome.

it was 14 against 16 !!

​​​@@speeddemon9555as a springboks supporter I feel ur pain because had u won I would have felt u had 15men including the ref despite a red card because tht forward pass try u scored would have stung

@@charliedlamini1671was backwards out of the hands but go off

@@Cobba290 obviously for u it was bt for South Africans it was a clear forward pass ,replays don't lie

I agree but I can see at least two mitigating factors in Cane's tackle too, per the head contact process: Effort to wrap/bind and no time to adjust; Sudden or significant drop in height or change in direction from ball carrier. Sam Cane wasn't expecting Kriel to cut towards him suddenly (and Kriel was even descending) and that's when the admittedly poor tackle technique occurred. Yellow appropriate but I see plenty of mitigation there to prevent the red card threshold. The same kind of mitigation that was correctly applied to Kolisi's tackle

All blacks have been getting away with dirty play for years and years…….time to finally blow the whistle on their “ unseen behaviour”. It is also time to blow the whistle on the ABs use of foreign players………you only need to phone up from Samoa or Fiji and say you like playing rugby…..a lot…..and you’ll be in the team. Well done brilliant bokke……best team ever…….and world champions…again.

@@user-hu7rn4ym8j There are NZ players in many international teams. Rugby is an international sport. There is also NZ people who coach other international sides… I have zero clue why you seem upset about this. With regards to TMOs and referees, many renowned coaches, former players have ALL spoken out about game interferences by TMOs and refs. So again I wonder why you seem to stand strongly against voices like Rassy and others and just make absurd snide remarks about it

@@user-hu7rn4ym8jyou sound Aussie 😂 is that you Eddie

TMOS ruining the game..looking at everything via a microscope..this is not the spirit of rugby.

Mr Murphy to you😳@@jdb9388

that wasnt vindictive and u must know this..pure accident,,,a accident..no way frizzel did that on purpose...pfft...goow win bokke

@@shanowilliams9851 it may not have been "vindictive" but it's *effect* ruined the Springbok lineout and scrum. Bongi got to miss the rest of the game, after just over a minute. Frizzell sits out for just ten minutes?!? Should've been a red. He neck rolled him first then fell on his leg.

The ref said upon Frizells return to the field "no foul play"..mustvhave gone to the Supreme Court for a ruling!!!

​@@rayclark3043no foul play means they didn't see enough to give a red. It doesn't mean the yellow wasn't deserved

@@rayclark3043 so in this case the ref was ok? cherry picking decisions?

They need to send the player concerned off, but keep the number at 15.

It was, in a way, kind of even, because SA lost Bongi!

Yes and TMO should be used only for player safety, not for calling back trys. If the ref misses it, it happens. Also rules need to have less grey area, and more objective data. Use technology to measure impact severity, not someone's judgement. It can be done. Possibly World Rugby is shielding refs from social media backlash...so we, as fans, have responsibility too to clean up our act and ostracize those who are toxic. Like the idea of making red cards 20 min & player must be replaced by a sub.

This would not guard against a situation like the Bongi injury. NZ may well have decided to sacrifice a yellow card in order to get rid of Bongi!

why ???? So that your team can go an damage another good player!!! NOOOOOO!!

Or the people complaining about it more like.

Would have been nice if the Kiwis were on our side when we complained about the Ref. when Bryce Lawrence and many other refs messed us around in the past and now you lose a world cup and you complain and expect us to support you. You can't have it both ways!

do me a favour go and watch the game again with 3 D specs on

Yep and two weeks prior they took the kicks

They did not get smashed in the first half you idiot… Boks only won by 1 point in all their games and were lucky to win against England you only just got through NZ won their games by huge margins btw you guys paid the refs it was rigged

One man down is one man down..no matter how you cut it..law of probability says more often than not superior numbers will prevail.

nope, the kolisi card should have gone to red. watch it - deliberate, targeted to take Ardie out.

15 champions against 14 champions..law of probability says who will come out on top 99.9 percent of the time me thinks.

@@ahungryspiderateme , Disagree. He hit the ball/chest first. It then moved up. The part about hitting the chest first and the fact that he was bent at the waist *is* the mitigation. On the other hand, Cane was always upright and the first point of contact was shoulder to head. Now, that said, all these yellow and red cards are ruining the fking game of rugby. Cards should *only* be given for intended foul play. Not knock-ons or rugby incidents (which both of the aforementioned things were). The rules should be rolled back to the early 2000's. It's become a joke.

Listen, the All Blacks did brilliant in this world cup. Every all black supporter and player should be proud of their team. They played amazing with 14 men. Well done!!

@@rayclark3043 Except that we had already lost Bongi and had played more harder games than what NZ had!

My sentiment as well. It was obvious from the start that eliminating Bongi would help NZ and then it happens after a few minutes.

Missed kicks, injuring our players (Mbonambi, Kriel and Pollard) those should have all been red cards pollards could have been a yellow. Also NZ has not played a single game without getting carded, you have bigger problems than refs- improve tackling

And not to mention the forward pass that resulted in a try

Sorry, the ‘Savia incident’ did not cost NZ the match. Barnes said he had made his decision, which was reasonable in any case. But that is a minor matter, NZ had plenty of chances to score but didn’t and the same can be said of SA so no one single decision is pivotal.

Grow up. Barnes was consistent, and fair. The problem most Kiwis have girt is that they have yet to get used to the fact that referees no longer put the ABs on a pedestal.

@@northernhound3899 Barnes wasn't the main problem, despite apologising to Ardi Sarvia for calling a penalty for no infrngement, which he saw on the replay (honest mistake which he admitted, it was the TMO's not pulling this up and allowing the kick to go ahead), then calling no knock on Twice on the field yet the TMO's called knock forward which disallowed Smith's try. Then not pulling up the Bok's prop for pulling Smith into a scrum without the ball that everyone saw (taking a man out of play without the ball, sinical play, yellow card offence, yet the TMO's remained quiet? Strange how all the TMO calls went against the AB's? if unbiased and bad judges then should have been calls against both sides, But I'll remember to grow up and close my eyes or at least one eye, like some other people. The Ab's could have still won the game despite being down a man and against multiple bad calls but thats the way it went, barnes ended the match right on 80 miutes rather than playing on for all the Bok's injury time tactics but thats the way it went. The AB's are discriminated against due to being from a small country that wups the big countries on a regular basis Love them or hate them the adjudicating shouldn't be that biased in any game. Up grading Cane's yellow which was from a player dropping down on to his shoulder on contact, While Kilosi lead with his head on an upward trajectory? The Boks won due to help, good on them, But I wouldn't be surprised if there is an investigation into the TMO's actions. Barnes was honest about his mistake and a bit quick to call full time, so I have no grudge with him. My concerns make no difference, what is done is done. I would prefer outcomes on performance rather than Bad calls, each to their own.

😂😂😂😂Your try was forward.. Kolisi had mitigating circumstance. Get over it

1. Kolisi was yellow 2. Barnes never apologised. Listen to the audio. 4. Ardie knocked it on. 5. Try for NZ from.knock on. No review. 6. NZ should be humble and take the three on offer instead of trying to to win pretty. Cheers.

You got that right. Did you see him go up on the podium the official in the suit? Thinks he was player of the RWC tournament.

what a joke you are. You make the SAFFERS sound second rate. I can refute every comment you made with referee back up. YOU ARE A LOSER

It is simple with Cane. He made a dominant tackle in an upright position. Don you know the rules of rugby

@@derekallan1341 meow. Why so catty, dude? If you don't agree with my comment then we can discuss. But if you are going to be insulting, then rather stfu.

Nz sponsored by a hedge fund lol ,,,get real ,,,players whoring themselves all over the world for money,,,,,,,,prob with nz rugby is the discipline is gone ,,,the island BRO attitude has invaded the team ,,,,,savea sponsored by ROC nation lol

If you want to see 15 vs 15 then why should SA have to sacrifice Bongi?

@@johnjames6620 they shouldn't, same rules for all !!

They left 6 points of the scoreboard.

Well we missed the kicks we took, so was it that silly to turn the kicks at goal down?

Just because you get 1 penalty it doesnt mean you will get the others. It leads to a kickoff, field position change, game dynamic change etc etc. Had they scored from those chances it would be called brilliant. They were building momentum. If anything, that long range shot from jordie was a mistake. They were 14 on 14 and shouldve gone for touch there

and now ????

Penalty was taken, Pollard got the 3 points

Barnes never apologised. Listen to the audio again instead of repeating the misinterpretation of others.

@@bertrand727 17:46 - Barnes blows for penalty against Savea Replay of the incident shown Barnes to Savea: "Sorry mate I didn't see the replay I thought you stayed on him I didn't see you come off enough" Now where I come from the word sorry can & is used as an apology as well as all its other meanings, now I understand that English may not be your first language but it is Wayne Barne's as it is mine Also I have no issues with South Africa winning - I have lived there & have friends who support the Boks

Excellent idea, that would mean 4 penalties beat a single converted try.

I will always be a KANT

Don’t get carried away. You are not the greatest team on earth. Might be able to claim that if you won every game. You didn’t even score a try in the final or anything in 2nd half. France probably best team playing attractive open rugby & didn’t make final. The final was a great contest but not a great spectacle. I could be wrong but S.A. style will not be how the game looks in 4 years. Congratulations on winning against the odds!

@@gregobroin7738 We are buddy!!! World rugby changing the game to stop the Springboks from being "PHYSICAL "😊😆(Just remember this is a man's game.Not that 'woke' 💩)

@@ianjacobs2998 haven’t beaten us in 7 years & 🇮🇪 is a v small rugby nation. Rugby has to deal with head trauma otherwise it will be sued out of existence. Head injury is not woke it’s real. No more Steve Thomsons of Fergus Slatterys!

@@gregobroin7738 Agree about the head injuries. BUT THEY GOING OVERBOARD WITH JUST HANDING OUT YELLOW/RED CARDS AND IN SAYING THAT ,YOU GUYS ARE SELECTIVE HOW YOU G TOUR!!!?? PLAY A 3 GAME TOUR IN OUR COUNTRY THEN WELL SEE WHAT HAPPENS MY FRIEND 😉😉😉

Wayne Barnes = bigger than the game.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. It's over. The AB'S played a terrific game and on any other day against any other team they would have won. But this was the boks and they had decided they wanted this and they weren't letting anyone through. All these recriminations just suck, especially for Sam, he feels bad enough as it is. All of these whiners, not one of them could last 5 min. in this match. I wish everyone would just cut all of them some slack, it's just a game after all.

Except it does matter. If no one speaks up on the problems with the game then nothing changes.

@@Cruzader80 Blame it on the governing bodies rules, not the refs and players. Barnes has been getting death threats, really? He did a great job and this is how we thank him? And Sam? That was a bloody accident.

@@normanberg9940 I do, have been shouting about it all rwc. In the first two rounds I counted that there was something like twice as many cards than at the last world cup and way more red cards. Would be interesting to know how many there are in total this world cup in comparison to past rwc's. Not the refs faults they are just trying their best to apply the terrible laws. I said all world cup that Wayne Barnes was the 2nd best ref. IMO Ben O'Keefe is the best. Though I do think Barnes was below his usual standard in the final. But mostly because of all the TMO interference.

As a Kiwi agree with your kicking (for points) but feel that the ABs countered size and game management with less men on the field very well. “

Was thinking the same thing dude, can you imagine the TMO trying to have an opinion every 5 seconds in the NRL? Guss would be blowing up 😂😂 they completely butchered that final with cards and over officiating, like the NRL main reff is in the drivers seat

Shoulder straight to the face with zero attempt to dip is pretty much intent to hurt or injure a player, suck it up, he f*cked up! But I will agree with you that red is still too harsh (not the ref or TMO's fault, they don't make the rules), should have been yellow max, and Kolisi's a penalty max as he was clearly attempting a legal tackle and only got his timing wrong 🤘

I agree and only if the referee asks for assistance…referees are meant to be in control of the game and not just mouthpieces for some guy watching everything in slow motion on a monitor to make his interpretation of situations as he sees…hope things change and common sense prevails in our wonderful game 😊

@@adamvanderriet9669 haha naa in my opinion just a penalty, not canes fault kriel decided to run into canes shoulder. The point is the tmo/ bunker is picking every little thing and stopping the game and ruling cards on behalf of the ref on the field.

And Cane put him down hard after just to make the card even more red than it was before

It's still stands as a yellow because tge offense led to an injury. I think that should be obvious honestly...

Exactly..unjustified use of yellow card..what a joke.

​@@rayclark3043u must be foookin brainless.

@@nahshondaniel5824 no, it's not obvious tbh. Kriel and Savea didn't go for HIAs, so the cards were based on the acts not the injury. Which is the only logical approach

​@@nahshondaniel5824ah no, injuries happen. You seem to suggest a penalty to the team that suffers an injury. There are a lot of injuries in a game. Eg lomax in the twikenham game

What a complete load of rubbish

I agree...how the hell could the SA captain not be a red if Canes was

Nah. Completely accurate. The TMO allows the game to be manipulated with lengthy pauses at critical times. Rugby Union is becoming professional wrestling or the Harlem Globetrotters, skill and entertainment with a scripted result.@@simonburdass1514

Keep smoking your socks ,learn to lose with your dignity intact .This is an important lesson in sport .You just don't always win ....end of story

I absolutely agree with you, there is a anglo-saxon conspiracy to keep France out of the tournament. The new zealand referees are absolute jokes and should be banned of refereeing in world cups. The govering bodies are a disgrace and people should no longer watch rugby. Also, I have a friend in Canada who ate a sandwich.

The Bocs outstanding defence let through 2 AB tries (one disallowed but beat the Boc defence) and it sure helps having an extra man on the field most of the time.

​@kevinbateman9929 well the forward pass for the claimed second shouldnt have been so actually no tries scored.and we will just forget that the claimed second try came from an advantage of the claimed first. Isnt the world rosy when we all wear our tinted spectacles😂

@@kevinbateman9929 watch it again and you will see 2 forwards before Barrett gets the ball

@@craigwebber2270angles are very deceptive on tv, if you go looking for what appears forward passes you will find boc ones too.

@@barrywhite72 Barry mate clearly if you go through every move every player makes and use your creative imagination anything is possible, I guess to keep you happy for future clashes between bocs and AB’s we will have to arrange plenty of time when we are a man down to give you a chance. One only point, clearly either side’s game. Even the ostriches in SA are crowing anybody would think it was a thrashing like we gave you in the recent second test in SA.

Rubbish

Nobody deliberated the referee decisions when New Zealand won? You're joking right? We've copped that excuse from oppositions for years. Maybe not you personally, but don't pretend other nation's fans are saints

Your try was forward Chief. Let it go now. Don't be a Kant

@@sasha8664 Wrong!

⁠take them blinkers off, have a good relook and come back with an honest opinion. Forward all day long.

@@sasha8664 so you take it straight to personal abuse- revealing your own calibre (or lack of it) thanks champ 👏🏼

what do you mean its not the end of the story?you hoping for a fucking replay?

Boys n balls beer n circuses 🥱 It's a sad state of affairs when the goyum (cattle)...live vicariously through their national sports teams. It's always about the money...follow the money...oy vey 🤐 Land of the looong dark cloud 🥴🖤

Take the TMO away and tomorrow you complain about the technology that we have that we don't use in rugby.. Both teams were under the microscope nd every incident was different.. Don't let ur arrogance and ego deprive you're judgment.. Go Bokke, u couldn't handle the SPRINGBOK BEAST😉

@NAMDNYH Who was the ref at the Womens Rugby World Cup? Dont know. Who was the ref at the Soccer World Cup? Don 't know. Who was the Umpire at the (any) Tennis Open? Don't know. Wayne **n Barnes and his cronies have become bigger than the game, bigger than a Rugby World Cup final, and its time for him to go now.

Bye bye deadbeat, sounds like no loss to rugby

Surprised you didn't stop watching after the Quarter Final between South Africa and Australia in 2011. Maybe, just maybe it was because your team won that world cup? 🤔

@@Blindside_Flanker haha to right

We’ll never forget the disgrace of the refereeing. Wayne Barnes could have overturned the red card. But he didn’t.

@@jamesgrieve188 Life will be a lot simpler if you let it go.

@@edwardhodkinson7950 you’re probably right

The 15v14 thing is a bit overblown as well. For 20 of the 40-odd mins Cane was off, SA played with 14 men as well

Exactly, we had four amazing quarterfinal matches.. and a tense final where both teams put their all into it. The pundits and negative commentators on here are showing massive disrespect to both South Africa amd New Zealand. Your team lost, we all do sometime. How many times have South Africa complained about refs in the past - and the rest of the world said they were wrong and sore losers? Now that the shoe is on the other foot, all of a sudden World Rugby and TMOs and refs are to blame for a loss... Give credit where it is due... NZ, you were outplayed on the day. Live with it and move on and be better next time - that is what South Africa did.

And see their teams lose by 80 points. That's attractive......