And probably, the invitation that was stolen by Pocket Picker (Jack's crew) is his. He basically wants to challenge Sett to "give him fatherly lessons", but then get mad at Jack's crew because it's stolen. As for why Samira went to see The Old Timer, it is possible that LeBlanc knows Sett's father's real identity and wants him to "pay" for his betrayal from Noxus. All just my thoughts though hahaha
One detail I feel is missing: In Samira's level-up animation, she is chasing the old timer who is running away. That leads me to believe that he is the one with debt... or maybe because Noxus know he is a deserter and will be there and sent Samira after him.
In one of the old timer's voice lines he literally says that he is fighting in the arena to pay of a debt so hes most likely the person Samira is hunting.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 No he does't say that, he says he wants the price and that he lost evrything once, but he doesn't say he is in dept. Samira could be there for Jack but saw an oportunity since he had bounty on his head and tried to cach him as a bonus.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 your leaving out context to the old timer's voice Lines. In the voice lines of the old timer he multiple times says that he is fighting in the arena for the price money and nothing else. We allso know this due to how the only other reasons the old timer could have for fighting in the arena are eliminated by there own, he is not in the arena to see his family because he has a mask and he is not fighting for Glory because he would not be hiding his identity if he wanted to be known. That means that when he says that he "lost everything" and wants to "Win everything back" he is talking about Winning the price money and paying of a debt.
@@lokegerhardsson8979 Idk, feels like thats jumping to conclusions. I think the point is that we don't know why he is here and he can just by lying. He is wanted so obliviusly he is in trubel, but we don't know why. Also saying he lost evrything can be for many things, infect I feel like its something some one would say if its more then money that they lost. So I just think thats a posibility but not likely.
@@overwhelm876 Maybe because of its flavor text doesn't tell us much. Based on its art, it seems that He/She is one of Jack's crew that stays on Bilgewater when the others set sail to Ionia. His appearance looks a bit like Marai (fishy ears) though.
Considering how Samira is chasing down the old timer during her level up, I'm guessing Jack and her story interlocking is just pure coincidence as she was actually after the old timer.
I feel like this could mean also the oposite, if he is wanted, she would be there to cach him for the bounty not to colect dept. So I think Jack is in dept but she saw an oportunity and tried to cach him too.
@@hajnahortobagyi690 He prolly isn't debt, seeing as he has a boxing gig in Bilgewater He had a deal with Tahm Kench though, and he is one of the few that managed to fight back.
@@boxtupos7718 Old timer is preatty much comfirmed to be the one in dept in the mean time, the artist who designed him revealed the concept art for him with the note "don't lend him your money", but then I have no clue why they burning Jacks ship.
Jacks level up animation shows his two knuckle rings, KC and AJ, which he use to punch his opponents. This results with them having wounds that spells JACK.
if it wasn't obvious enough that it is indeed sett's father the in game code refers to the card as "Not Sett's father" And when he dies his dying quote is just "tell him" referring to telling Sett that he's his father of course.
The name Old timer also fits in with the lore of Sett's father, in Sett's lore it was mentioned that his father was a superior fighter in the pits. Sett mentioned finding him in the pits just to end up having his first fight the same night he was looking for his dad.
FUN FACT: one of the reason Jack's ship can sink (or has a ship) is because his was destroyed (Sunk Cost card) so he made a contract with Tahm Hench( you can see by TAHM KENCH LEVEL UP ANIMATION ) to get his ship going back Edit: pls don't let this go it's a nice info
@@chokeolatte usually tho tahm collects payment when his debtors have run themselves ragged from losing their power/wealth through addiction. Basically he waits till they hit their lowest low after being at their highest high.
There are some details that you forgot to mention, 1 of the interreaction between Sett and the Old Timer which can show some link between the 2: Sett: Hey, you kinda look like someone, someone I hate (his dad) The Old Timer: Oh yeah? Then Why don't we work it out on the ring Also in the video of Interactions, the Old Timer has the nick name: "Definitely not Sett's dad", which can raise some suspicion
@@nidhogg8446 I’m pretty sure they are…sponsored?…by riot to get previews of skins to show off but I doubt riot would tell them if old was setts dad or not
@@claracclenky he's on the Riot Partner Program, which in his case means he gets early access to game files, and nothing much else In theory he gets exclusive chroma to gift but I don't think I've seen that
I seriously hope that Jack becomes a unique and rare case of someone actually making a deal with Tahm Kentch and coming out on top. It would imply Jack to be a serious powerhouse.
I'd really like to know more about Jacks history and how it relates to his deal with Tahm. You see he signed a deal with him during Tahm's lvl up- presumably for the boat, crew and money. But what happens when that deals time is up? What was the deal? Their interactions before were kind of tense, but now they don't have any
@@cartoonishidealism582 the more and more I think about this the more and more lore implications start to slip through. Jack is a loyal imployee of Tahm, but still has the hat that marks him as having a loan to pay Tahm likes his prey to marinate to the point they would feel the most despair at the loss of all they have. He waited for the gamblers happiest point to claim his debt. A possible outcome is that if Jack does win over Sett, Tahm would come to collect his debt- Jack knowing this would tell Tahm not to come Or perhaps at Jack's loss to Sett he would claim it The demons are some of my favorite beings in the Runeterran lore so I hope they get more love. Having a demons disciple get his own card and becoming a champion, it feels kinda bad with all the potential left on the table
Look at the card sunk cost in lor. I believe that that card is what happens at the end of tahms deal. It’s flavor text is interesting. The ship in the card art looks exactly like jacks ship.
15:26 If this man is supposed to be Sett's father, he should be a full human and not a vastaya because Sett is specifically a half vastaya and human hybrid. That was a core part in his story that he was rejected by both humans and vastaya. I think the mask is just there to reference his connection to Sett.
I think the mask is there to throw off suspicion. The ears aren't real, they're just part of the costume. But he is a regular human under the mask. His mother is full Vastayan.
Necrit, i can't belive You didn't mention that dashing dandy likes Sett's muscles, and he is nervous couse he actualy fancies Sett, AND Sett's quote to Aphelios? HELLO? Alune speaks to Aphelios "You must fight for both of us brother" to wich Sett responds in a SPECIFIC tone "o .. oh i will fight for You Aphelios" ...... HELLO?
I hope you make a video discussing bilgewater’s “humanoid species” AKA the fish people. Because they’re never said to be vastaya and I don’t know if it’s like an alistar situation, where they’re just a different thing from vastaya.
The only thing that bothers me is that the story isn't really finished, I really hope they planing on making a short story abaut this or caping it off some how in the future.
Another thing about this "is Samira after Jack or the old timer?" is that Samira is running after the Old Timer in her level up animation. He's an old misterious noxian that we only know is very strong and is not working for noxus. Samira says there's aways a history to it ,a something else (flavor). He was (is) very strong, powerfull, and it being Noxus, my bet is: Samira is after him, probably the story she has is that he was a high ranker that became a dessertor and a lot of ppl didn't take very kindly he leaving. But he actually know of the black rose (he either found out and had to leave for his life or worked with/for them, but he left knowing too much), so, he gotta be dealt with. Why are one of them burning Jack's boat? idk, stylish for the pic and distraction for their actual action?
To be fair, the only non-canon cards in LoR are the J4 cards with Cithria Lady of the clouds. Otherwise, any card that doesn't have supporting universe stories are simply depicting future stories.
Come on Necrit. You know that is definitely not Sett's father. It's even in the code. And you can see who Samira trying to find in her level up animation.
I beliefe Father Fury is a very smart reference to Akira (1988) and that also his magic is ferromancy, since all that is atracted to him are made out of metal, so...Rell will be a card?
Something to point out / maybe think about with the story the cards tell (at least, for who Samira is after) - The person that Samira is hunting down isn't Jack, or at least not fully Jack, since I didn't check Infernas card art to see it was Jacks ship in the background, but in Samiras level up animation the first frame of it shows a picture of The Old Timer, and then has her chasing after him. Maybe that's why (if he is actually Setts father) he left, because he had a debt he had to pay and he couldn't pay it back in time so he left and went "off the grid" as it were, and only recently came back to which Indari instantly got Samira the job to go after him. If anyone pieces it better to make more sense, that'd be better. I just think it makes sense seeing how Samira was hired to go to Setts fighting arena to claim debt from someone there. Possibly a fighter. And since Sett even has a voiceline with Jack where he says "I've never heard of you", hence his not inviting Jack, it'd make more sense that he's heard of The Old Timer and invited him out to fight. Samiras agent got the information that The Old Timer would be heading to that particular area for what seems to be a massive fight. Jack being there is just a coincidence.
"want another swing at the champ" and "who wants a piece of the champ" jaques and jax both sound so extremely similar that riot either became even more lazy (you know, just copy pasta) or they try something/hide something between those two. maybe relatives, friends, or even the same person just in hiding
I dont really play legends of runeterra but its such a nice thing to have since they give you random missing lore or cinematics on champs you might main
I wouldn't be surprised if she knew he was hiding something. I think she doesn't bring it up because she knows he wants to protect her and give her a good life, so she understands he's doing it because he loves her.
Thank you for covering this, I really do like this expansion and lore to it so thank you for explaining it ❤ I don't think some lines are Canon though like sett has a line to aphelios for a nod at the whole popular ship like garen and katarina but I still see this as a "what if " and riot could make it Canon since aphelios is travelling to ionia for diana to ask why she left her people so I hope riot explains it as I really like this ship
It can be a bait, to make us think he's Sett's father, but actually his close friend, who knew very well Sett's mother as well. All this to keep the mystery about Sett's father. Mysteries are always nice to have around lores. I'm more interested in Jack becoming a champion in LOL. Would be a very nice juggernaut.
In Samiras levelup you can see her chasing old timer, and there is even voice line of sett where he has a suspision on the old timer "you look like someone i hate" he says.
Now I want a team up between Sett, Samira, Sett’s dad and someone else. They could be like the guardians of the galaxy esq. a bunch of rough and tumble people trying to bring down Jack and his crime.
Don't know if someone already said it, but some of Sett's quotes start with "If I ever meet my old timer.." As well as in Wild Rift, the Supreme Cells skin has almost the same quote
Bull only lost the hand. In the Card he still has the arm with which he struck his opponent. It’s shaded light grey. The hand he lost is the bandaged one
I'm really happy that we get some more lore about Sett since he's my second main. But out of every champion we really need to know something about yorick after.... what happened. And for shaco yes...
Jack's ship is destroyed in one of LOR's old cards and Tham tells him something about their deal... so Jack is actually dead? or at least he no longer has a boat?
Also of note: It really does look like Samira is chasing after "Old Timer". In Samira's level up animation you can see when she starts chasing after her target and the person running away looks a lot like him.
Setts dialogue with the old timer goes like: "Hey, you look like someone, someone I hate...." Remember that Sett wants to kick his father ass for abandoning he and his mother, so this can actually be his dad (but on a mask).
Maybe samira an her group through that jack was the debt owner but in actualy it was the old guy, both are in the run from somewhere and both are suspicious
How much i would like to see another recap of Runeterra's history, from beginning to now, the last recap was already 3 years ago, don't we know more now?
