Did Star Fox Ruin Dinosaur Planet? 

God I would have loved to see that way darker and way more gigantic plot from the original, on the N64. N64 seems to have a history of canceled or drastically altered games that originally had really dark stories portrayed through these creepy low poly scaling and rotating 3D visuals making it even more unsettling, MOTHER 3 being the most well known.

That little animatic scene with "Star Fox and Tricky" was really cute while being pretty good at summarizing the plot. Would love to see some similar ideas with future videos :)

I dont know why they couldn't have just had this as a spinoff of starfox. Like still have it called dinosaur planet but as like Starfox dinosaur planet instead and have it as it's own self contained story within the broader starfox universe. Krystal still could have 100% been the main character and maybe just have fox and the others be in the story but not take away from it being her as the main star of the game.

Of course Miyamoto was involved. Sometimes his decisions are just harmful. With all the information people have managed to gather we can complete Dinosaur Planet. Make it the game it was intended to be just upgraded to modern standards.

It's so interesting to think about what would have happened if we'd gotten both a new Star Fox and Dinosaur Planet. I can only imagine what the two games would have been like.

I love starfox adventure and I wish the series would've continued from Assaults playstyle instead of remaking the same SNES game for the 3rd time

I liked Adventure, but they should’ve at the very least have labeled it as a spin-off game if they were gonna out the Star Fox label on it, that way Krystal could’ve still been the main character. I hope someone can one day can mod one of the games into a “Star Fox’s: *Dinosaur Planet”* someday because I still like many of the ideas from the N64 original. It’s not so much the fact that it’s set in the Star Fox universe that bothers me as much as it does the fact that it’s been rushed and butchered a bit by Miyamoto in general. In retrospect I can’t say I’m *too* mad about that since anymore delays would’ve cancelled the project entirely since this was made by Rare, but that just goes to show how grossly incompetent Nintendo as a whole is when it comes to management, let alone pleasing fans. I miss the days of Rareware when we got instant classics like Donkey Kong Country, Banjo-Kazooie, and Conker’s Bad Fur Day. They are all still “Nintendo” characters and games to me, and are still among some of my favorite video games despite never growing up with any of them. Without Rareware, we would never have gotten the “modern” Donkey Kong and all those other characters from all of their Rareware games. Characters like Conker are just as important as the original Donkey Kong arcade game itself, and I’m so sad and frustrated that the majority of their library and characters either get left behind or completely forgotten/disregarded. No words in the English dictionary can even describe how heartbroken I was when Conker wasn’t added into Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, especially since Smash itself also came from the N64. We were *so close* to having a perfect trilogy of reveal trailers, it’s maddening. *Never again…* I’ll just stick to Smash 64 Remix and Project M EX Remix in that regard thanks. Getting back on topic for the original Dinosaur Planet though, I’m not surprised that it could’ve been much better without Miyamoto’s involvement. He’s also the one responsible for ruining the Paper Mario franchise. I’m honestly kinda surprised that Mario & Luigi lasted as long as it did, although it certainly doesn’t help that Nintendo didn’t care about AlphaDream going down too. Absolutely dreadful. Nintendo is basically like EA in every sense of the word of neglecting development companies and getting away with shady business practices, only difference being that they get away with it more because it’s “Nintendo”, and their company is so perfect *right???* Yeah I think it goes with saying that I hate Nintendo (As a company) much more with ever fiber of my being, because at least when EA does something stupid they get consequences out of it. Nintendo on the other hand will never improve because of the diehard fanbase devoted to them as if it’s a religion or an indie company. I’ll never get over how much I despise them, and you cannot convince me otherwise. Wether it’s throwing developers in the trash, to nuking fan mods and fan games, to trying to destroy archives of emulation, to making more subscription fees and RU-vid copyright restrictions, I think it’s a reasonable opinion to have that they are, without a doubt, the worst video game company ever in my mind.

Personally, I believe that they did what they did to salvage what they made, which means removing everything that doesn't work gameplay-wise, like Kyte's AI and the double-story. Of course, it also means that everything not programmed gets scrapped, but still... If anything, Star Fox Adventures gave us the longest-running streak of the series without a reboot, all thanks to everyone's favorite furry bait, Krystal.

The beta build of Dinosaur Planet being uncovered was pretty much the perfect way to start 2021 for me

My First Star Fox Game was Star Fox Assault for the GameCube Back in 2007

This game had so much potential to become a classic that it would close the Nintendo 64 lifecycle with a flourish. But instead he became a weird Star Fox that nobody likes. I so wanted RARE to have followed through with the original idea, in some points I prefer Dinosaur Planet to Star Fox Adventure, especially the plot and having Krystal playable for most of the game.

Thank you for taking an honest look at both games and not just trashing one while putting another on a pedestal, I personally believe that while Star Fox Adventures !=== Dinosaur Planet, Star Fox Adventures == Dinosaur Planet

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In every way, shape, and form (aside from graphics, arguably) Dinosaur Planet would have been absolutely better without Starfox being shoved in it. I'll admit, Starfox Adventures has AMAZING graphics, especially for the time and even today. However, the N64 graphics were absolutely jaw-dropping and charming in a way that we don't get to see these days. Things made more sense in the original story, a TON of amazing music, characters, and areas were entirely tossed out. We missed out on SO MUCH during the conversion to starfox and gamecube. Heck, even the combat in DP is way more fun than what we got in SFA.

Omg I love what you did with General Scales for the animation X,DDD I also can't believe the original game was 90% done until Nintendo changed it, that's so crazy xwx

I admit I'm definitely in the camp of wishing Dinosaur Planet had never become a StarFox game. I don't necessarily think that would've automatically made it a better game or anything, but I would've welcomed the new IP. That said, if Nintendo ever wanted to revisit this concept and just make a sequel in the form of a straight up Krystal game I'd be super down for that as well.

Miyamoto did by comparing the two as one, not allowing Dinosaur Planet to be it's own intellectual property while robbing it right from Rare during their last years.

I've never seen a franchise get railed by Nintendo so hard before. No matter the game's quality, I pretty firmly believe that Adventures is why we don't see StarFox games anymore; hardly anyone was interested in Assault because nobody wanted anything to do with a sequel to Adventures, and all Nintendo has done for the most part since then is remakes of 64, which itself is a remake of the SNES original. Not only was Dinosaur Planet murdered, but StarFox was kneecapped as a franchise, maybe irreparably.

Really great topic for a video!

Would have been even better to have both of these games and than a crossover series as i can only imagine how big the project would have become under that scenario.

I love both games !! I wish we got dinosaur planet and a separate star fox game

No, Nintendo did. And Nintendo is also ruining Star Fox, if it did not already ruined.

Hear me out: How did turning it into a Star Fox game necessitate all the changes to the story? What about Dinosaur Planet's story contradicted anything from Star Fox 64? Nothing. All that stuff about the Kamerians and the Krazoa creating the universe or whatever could have just been new Star Fox lore. Sabre could have easily been swapped out for Fox without sacrificing his significance to the story or relationship to the other characters. He could know Krystal from his academy days or something. Sequels introduce new characters that already have established relationships to the old ones all the time. Maybe Randorn could have been replaced by General Pepper like they were planning, and he was the one to raise Krystal after her family died to the Cornerian Army. It's similar to the original plan and it would make Pepper a bit of a more morally-gray character. Alternatively, you could keep Randorn but have him have some relationship with the other characters. Maybe he's an old friend of James's and helped Peppy raise Fox after James died. Maybe he's Fox's actual uncle. Maybe he's Pepper's brother or something. There are so many ways it could have been done, and the biggest change any of them would require is a simple species-swap. Krystal definitely didn't have to be sidelined for the entire game, especially if they went with my idea of having her already know Fox. Andross sure as hell didn't need to be in the game. You freakin' killed him in 64. He's dead. They don't need to keep contriving reasons to bring him back from the dead every game. It's ok for Nintendo franchises to have new villains. They really didn't need to change any of the story's fundamentals in order to make it a Star Fox game.

im honestly happy that the kiosk demos from the gamecube where fully presarved otherwise no recreation from elusive dinosaur planet was made. still i find really funny the demo version of starfox adventures contains full of data what remained from dp. lets say an time capsule what the game had left.

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This was actually pretty interesting to see what dinosaur planet kinda originally was Iam definitely gonna try it out some day. But i wonder did you like starfox adventures or this dinosaur planet prototype more?

Majestic 8 aligment bringing peace was a ruse btw, Krazoas are just as evil as Drakor. Ultimately the main characters were caught in a conflict far beyond their understanding

If nothing else, it ended up giving us some interesting fanfic

Yes, it did ruined. Yes, it should have stayed in the N64 was it was planned originally. But it would still be a dead frachise on these days like Banjo-Kazooie, Conker, Jet Force Gemini.

this game, just saying alone if SFA wasnt a thing Dinosaur Planet would have sold really good due to Rareware's name alone in the west at the time. If the game was left as is the west would have an adventure game that would have rivaled with 3D zelda.

Miyamoto has been a hindrance to Nintendo's creativity since Ocarina. Dude needs to retire and/or let the next generation take over.

Unpopular opinion. Adventure is my favorite Starfox game.

it would have been 100% better as DP but i still liked SFA

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I honestly can’t tell if this game would’ve been better if it stayed Dinosaur planet. But I can at least say that it at least would’ve had the potential to get a sequel that fixed the problems in the previous entry. Plus Krystal would’ve had a bigger role, instead of being left in the dust after the release of Command. Honestly, I’m just really disappointed by how Nintendo treated this game. All the lore, all the characters, just completely left in the past after rebooting Star Fox. Despite Miyamoto requesting the game to be a Star Fox spinoff, it just feels like it was a pointless decision in retrospect. Rare had to rush it out, the fanbase didn’t like it, and now we’ll probably never see a better version of this game, or a sequel that addresses these issues since it’s stuck with a franchise that already had issues getting out of the hole Nintendo dug for it.

I'm going to answer with "yes." Yes, it did ruin Dinosaur Planet. Instead of a potentially interesting new IP with its own gameplay and story that was built for it, it was turned into Star Fox game that was nothing like a Star Fox game. Yes, not much of the gameplay itself changed when Star Fox was added in, but that's kind of the problem. It wasn't the kind of gameplay Star Fox is known for, and the Arwing stages felt like an afterthought. Plus, when we say that "Star Fox ruined Dinosaur Planet", we aren't just focusing on the gameplay, we're talking about the big picture: the plot, the characters, the world, we mean the game as a whole. Shoehorning Star Fox into an IP that was incredibly different from it made no sense at all.

Yes absolutely Star Fox + Dinosaur Planet was a horrible mix... Star Fox fans hated it... And Dinosaur Planet didn't get any chance to shine.

The answer is yes.

Biggest loss is that the Dinosaur Planet's Krystal design was a lot better, cute and appealing. The Star Fox Adventure's design it's a lot too uncanny with her dead bedroom eyes and slave-Leia tier outfit, resembling a fursuit.

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Yep and also ruined the star fox series

The fact that Rare put an anthropomorphic canid as the protagonist in Dinosaur Planet is also the reason why Miyamoto wanted this to become a Star Fox game.

They butchered this game's story, and that's what i feel sad about. What would be a journey through a new world became just a new throwaway adventure for Fox. All the lore that was lost to accomodate the Star Fox brand...

Actually I believe the change to Star Fox happened because Miyamoto thought the gameplay bit of Krystal riding the flying dinosaur and shooting at General Scales' ship, basically what we see in the first minutes of Star Fox Adventures. Personally, I don't think Star Fox is required to stay with the original games' gameplay. I think Assault is better than 64

Maybe the backtracking would be dealt in a better way having two characters. For examples one get a key items and send it to the other.

Man I seriously wish this game stayed as Dinosaur Planet. I played Star Fox Adventures and enjoyed it honestly. I’m not a huge Zelda fan, I’ve only really played BOTW and a few of the 2D games and I loved all those, but I have tried the other 3D games and they didn’t stick with me. Star Fox Adventures was a bit frustrating in places, but it managed to hook me somehow and I think it was because of that underlying N64 era Rare quality. And Dinosaur Planet’s art direction and character designs and more consistency across everything makes me think that I would have outright fallen in love with this game, especially since they wouldn’t have had to spend time changing things and then rush the product out the door. A lot of the more frustrating elements of Star Fox Adventures would have had a chance to be a lot more polished. Also, the story, the world and the characters would have been FANTASTIC. Even if the actual gameplay wouldn’t have been any better, the more intricate story alone would have vastly improved the game. Star Fox Adventure’s story is boring I’m sorry.

I have an N64 original hardware compatible cartridge with Dinosaur Planet on it with the glitches seemingly fixed and I'm able to play quite a bit of the game. I don't know who made it and fixed the glitches but I bought it on ETSY and It's on a yellow cart. Pretty insane and confuses the hell out of me because I was going to just do one play through and get rid of it because I was watching playthroughs and it was obvious that you usually have to use glitches to get past unfinished areas (not the type of game to keep in my collection). When I was playing my cartridge side by side though, I realized I didn't have to use the glitches. The game works. I am in awe and can't take my smile off my face with confusion and so much wonder going on here.

I think Dinosaur Planet should have been the game they went with, even if it was as bad as Starfox Adventures, it would have been the basis for a new series that could have improved.

I just hate how people hype up Dinosaur Planet and make it seem like it's better than SFA or that SFA ruined Dinosaur Planet, when they're basically the same thing. Heck, not even the build up that got released a few years ago is good nor playable. Are people too stupid?

Came for Scott, Stayed for the history lesson of a promising n64 game turned into starfox for GameCube game

Rare’s swan song on Nintendo consoles.

This may sound sad, but due to the buyout, if the game was never converted to Star Fox, I believe that DP would either never had been released, been butchered by microsoft, or in the best case be released years later without the Rare charm. The only way we could have possibly gotten DP in it's raw form is if Nintendo was willing to let Star Fox pretty much go the way of f-zero and if the Microsoft buyout never happened. What if Nintendo bought Rare? Well then, DP probably would had been still made into SFA but with more time in development.

While it’s unfortunate that Dinosaur Planet got scrapped, I have to admit that Krystal’s design in the Star Fox games is better. I mean, the Krystal in Dinosaur Planet just looks like a disturbing taxidermy statue. I know that the Krystal from Star Fox got robbed from her role as a protagonist, but she’s still a nice addition to the series. I even want to see her in a new Star Fox game someday. Also, I kinda don’t think that Dinosaur Planet would’ve been as big as many think. To me, it would’ve been overshadowed by the Zelda games. I feel like the Star Fox Krystal just needs a new backstory to distance her away from Dinosaur Planet (by the way, generic name). Animus just feels like an alien version of Mordor, or some other fantasy world. Cerinia needs to be different from that. Who’s to say that it can’t be like the other planets in Star Fox? No offense to anyone who likes Dinosaur Planet, though.

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I wish rare had more time to make it better.

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I think you’re onto something about Microsoft’s buyout of Rare being related to Dinosaur Planet being changed to Star Fox in some way, or at least the Star Fox Adventures we got. I don’t know a lot about the buyout or copyright it’s not impossible. I also feel like a significant portion of dinosaur planet’s story could have survived into the transition to Star Fox Adventures by making it Fox’s backstory/his dad’s backstory before Arwing piloting or something. There’s some planet hopping already in Dinosaur Planet, so there’s nothing really preventing it from being in the Star Fox verse. It’d take of hand waving for some aspects of the story but tbh I think they could have just reskinned Sabre as one of the McClouds and called it Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet. As for whether a completed Dinosaur Planet would have been better than SFA, I’m not sure. I don’t think we can really say based off an incomplete build. As a story, maybe. As a game, I don’t know. Can say I’m not too impressed with how Scales dies in Dinosaur Planet.

It’s almost a year since the game became leaked.

Did star fox ruin dinosaur planet Answer: HELL YEAH. MAKE DINOSAUR PLANET AN NINTENDO SWITCH GAME. KRYSTAL DESERVES HER OWN GAME.