Did Tesla "Full Self-Driving" Mode Drive Slam Model 3 Into a Tree | Hans von Ohain Case Analysis 

I agree, Dr. Grande. Horses are safer. No self respecting horse, carrying two intoxicated individuals home, would run directly into a tree. And it certainly wouldn’t burst into flames.

Former airline pilot here. When we used our autopilot, the ‚real‘ one, we were always trained to intervene when things started to go sideways. Not even commercial airliner’s autpilots are 100% reliable. I had an approach into Lagos, Nigeria, where it locked onto a false localizer. I had to disconnect, correct and reingage. Sensors can fail, ground equipment too. It is clear that as long as there are controls in the airplane or car, you are best advised to remain vigilant. And this thing in the airplane is called autopilot yet nobody complained…

Moral of the story don't drink and drive.

As a life long airplane and helicopter pilot (60 years) I can report that even sober a pilot can believe the auto pilot is on and functional, and it is not or has disengaged.

So tech bros are figuring out drunk driving is STILL drunk driving even on a “self driving” car.

As a driver, you are responsible. Tech is never going to be 100% perfect

Most people won’t get drunk and decide to drive, mostly because of the dying part.

Should call this “the future is now” syndrome. No, drunk driving is still drunk driving

If you expect tech to take care of you, you're going to die. Your car doesn't care if you live or die. That's your job. Taking care of your passengers is your responsibility. Watching out for the other drivers and pedestrians on the street is your responsibility.

Autopilot on an airplane also has the advantage of the fact that there's not much up in the sky to run into, compared to the ground.

Thats why its called Full Self Driving Supervised. Its driving the car but you have to supervise it and you the driver are responsible for it.

I have no interest in Self-Driving cars; I do my own driving.

Dr.Grande hit the nail on the head in this video. I am a trained accident investigator. Car drivers never have to get additional training once they obtain their drivers license. Maybe some mandatory refresher training could curtail bad habits developed over the years. Pilots and most bus and coach operators get annual training. It is a reason they are safer than the average driver. In this video, we see the result of a lack of critical thinking, not a defective car. The holes in the Swiss 🧀 cheese lined up in this event. Background: I have owned EV’s (not Tesla) and my car has very limited “auto pilot” tech. I can take my hands off the wheel on a freeway, for a limited time, and it will stay in the lane. I have been a passenger in a Waymo robotaxi, and it performed as expected for the 52 minute trip of 22 miles.

Consequences of a society that’s ever more infatuated with technology.

I cannot fathom paying $10,000 for a full self driving software that requires the driver to remain alert and at the wheel at all times.

Even in its toddler stages, AI wants to get rid of us !

When seatbelt laws were enacted for safety, drivers felt safe and drove even faster and more recklessly. I imagine "self driving" vehicles promote similar behavior.

"I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you." -- HAL 9000 shortly after murdering most of the crew of Discovery One

I think driving impaired at that level was enough contributory negligence to invalidate any blame on Tesla.

RIP - unbelievable that the guys at Tesla go full corporate on the death of one of their own.

The argument ends at 3:33 when the driver is 3 times over the limit

This is how skynet starts

The fact that Tesla names it "full self driving" after Musky tells the world "From a parking lot in LA to a parking lot in New York, no touching the controls during any part of the journey" all the way back in 2017 sure should open them up to a lawsuit. Hans was dumb for trusting Musk. THAT was his fatal mistake.

In Germany we already have a law that forbids owners of self-driving cars to take the hands off their steering wheel. And even if it's in self-driving mode, the driver operating anything else than their vehicle's console will result in a pricey ticket. And in cities you aren't even allowed to use the autopilot for anything else than slowly rolling onto parking spaces.

I believe they were passed out and sleeping.

I still don't understand. Why pay for all this supposed "self driving" technology, at whatever level, if you STILL have to be completely responsible for driving?

So...there's a recruiting job open at Tesla?

We have stop overusing the word 'free' for everything, someone always pays.

Question - What is the advantage to having a car that “drives” itself? What on earth would any driver be doing if not driving? Maybe having a manicure? Or reading a book? Or texting? I cannot fathom there being a sensical, rational explanation.

That's crazy that they can figure out his blood alcohol level even though he was burned up.

People are okay with people making mistakes…they’re not okay with someone else’s machine making it for them🤷🏻‍♂️

Driving drunk will do it

Maybe artificial intelligence is not advance enough to trust it with your life yet 😢

That was a good comparison between pilots and assisted driving, it makes sense. Great review, thank you.❤

I don't even trust interactive cruise control with automatic breaking, that's why I keep my foot hovering between the brake and the gas pedal, just incase my Forester decides to stop suddenly on the highway due to conflicted technology. 😅

firstly, I'm not diagnosing anything in the video, only speculating what could be happening in a situation like this , and I've just realized the flame in those cactus candles are fake

We used to use Teslas at work for deliveries until they were phased out because of how insanely dangerous the auto drive system was. The owner bought them for the auto drive system, but it would routinely do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time and it was hell trying to get Tesla to accept any responsibility for the crash that we had while one of thedrivers was using it because they expected it to break on its own because that’s what it’s marketed to do Edit: interesting fun fact, we had to go for an orientation about how to exit the Tesla in case of an emergency because if your battery bursts into flames, the car will lock you inside and the emergency exit switch is behind the speaker casing which you have to rip out with your fingernails.

I'll never own a Tesla, because they're ugly, soulless, have no idea how to build cars, etc. I've never driven a vehicle with less character and worse panel gaps. This self-driving nonsense is just one more reason not to give them money.

Eric fleeing from burning vehicle: "Hans! Get out! Save yourself!" Hans: "No need, it's fully automated."

Let’s just go back to driving manuals for all who are physically able. It’d force people to pay more attention and keep both hands engaged. Not to mention it’s cheaper, easier to fix, and more fuel efficient.

For those thinking autonomously driven cars are a good thing... beware. Autopilots create complacency. You will become complacent. You will take your hand off the wheel your reaction time will be severely diminished. Autopilots will fail (retired pilot). As opposed to airplanes with two pilots closely watching the system the nearer to the ground, cars are driven inches from obstacles with drivers with questionable skills. When automotive autopilots fail, drivers die and tesla will not assume responsibility. You will be responsible for a system designed to cause complacency. You will pay. Only a fool would be responsible in such cases. Autopilots have no place in a car.

21 holes of golf is a lot

I’m a longtime Tesla owner (4+ years) and a novice FSD (4+ months). In my experience, Autopilot and/or FSD will disengage every time the driver applies brakes, throttle, or steering input. That is to say, whenever the driver overrides the Autopilot or FSD, the car quits driving itself. All the driver had to do to run into that tree was to touch ANY of the controls mentioned. And likely,that’s what he did.

Simple: This is clearly a drunk driving accident.

Everyone knows and has been told the self drive is to be used as an assistance not for drivers to do what ever they want. Auto pilot has been around since the late 80s, no one with a brain ever thought that meant the car drove itself. The dude was drunk

Thank you Dr. Grande. You tell it "like it is". FAFO

I always appreciate that your analysis always seems so fair, non-judgmental and lacking bias.

.264 isn't just drunk, it's absolutely sht faced, you would have trouble walking at that level unless you were an alcoholic and seasoned to handle it. That's probably why he couldn't exit the car.

baby sitting an automated system and being expected to instantly jump in when it screws up is the worst form of boredom. It is totally unreasonable for Tesla to be putting this requirement on the driver in the fine print of the owners manual. This is not comparable to aircraft autopilots at all because pilots typically have a lot more time to react to an autopilot discrepancy while in a car, you can crash into a tree within a few seconds if you don't react instantly.

They said that FSD wasn’t activated during this and Elon STUPIDLY said “he would be alive” if FSD had been activated, insinuating that you could drive under the influence if FSD is activated. Drunk driving is still drunk driving. Until we have cars that are fully autonomous and literally don’t even have the option to use manual controls, I feel this is going to be an issue.

"Full self destruction mode" and "Full money removal mode." Cheers, Sir Grande!

14 seconds ago??? That’s a new record for me

And the Darwin Award goes to... Hans von Ohain! Congratulations!

Would be interesting to see a Jay Slater video one day when there's more details on it.

I appreciate that the focus in this tragic case was not shifted away from DUI and blamed on technology. I am completely saddened by this terrible loss of life but lessons can only be learned by being honest about the cause. Thank you for this excellent review of the case.

This is Halloween levels of scary

OH GOD. The doors of some models of tesla cannot be opened when the car is disabled. The doors are electric. They have an override but in an emergency they can be hard to operate. Not really relevant here but in the backseat its really bad if you have not been briefed on how to use it. Not intuitive at all. You have to open a panel and pull the internal door wire. In the drivers seat there is an actual handle but it is in weird place and since you do not use it I can imagine getting a wreck and fire would make it hard to remember where it is and that you have to use it.

FSD will be possible when the road becomes a track and humans aren't allowed to drive or cross the street.

Tesla has to be the only car brand that gets negative press when someone operates it and crashes while being insanely drunk. So bizarre to me.

I absolutely agree with Dr. Grande's perspective on this subject. Pilots have to be on top of their game mentally, emotionally, and physically many hours before take off. For example, they are not allowed to fly under the influence. So, no one should drink alcohol and drive. It is interesting that there was no black box flight and audio recordings installed in the vehicle comparable to those in aircraft, which can sustain great impacts and fires, yet continue to provide proof of what actually happened during the incident. RIP Hans. Maybe the mistake you made in trusting this technology to get you and your friend home safely after you two had been drinking for some time will be a lesson learned to prevent other such accidents.

What was the auto pilot blood level?

Belive in Musk and his gaslighting is leathal.

Well, this is probably one thing what SEC and DoJ are currently investigating. Probe(s) opened yesterday.

Great analysis Dr G. I agree and also agree that Tesla model 3 had 'Full self destruction ' mode...eliminating its own evidence.

Me personally I don't like self-driving vehicles. That being said, after watching some people drive they need a self-driving vehicle.

I would never trust a self driving car and this story is exacty why😮😮

Balanced level-headed reporting. Well done

I live in China and there's self-driving vehicles here (not even a spot for a driver, not sure what they are doing), and ironically, these machines are able to stop at an intersection by the school I work at, while most cars blast through the red light. In fairness to human drivers, the red/green light is placed in a very odd place and most people don't even see the light, yet the self-driving things are able to recognize it. Not going to lie, it feels sketchy to walk in front of a box-on-wheels with no windshield or operator controlling it.

The longest distance I have driven my Tesla on FSD is 78 miles. This was done without any intervention (disengagement) on my part. The FSD will disengage if I hit the brakes, turn the wheel, or manually switching it off. If I'm do that, then I am driving.

Moral of the story in my opinion is to stay far far away from Teslas.

I think other brands of cars with "brake assist" or "active collusion avoidance braking" have suffered from unexpected and inappropriate spontaneous brake applications

I hope there'll never be a Dr. Grande video about myself

His biggest mistake was trusting Edison Mask 😭

Imagine crashing with cruise control on. 🧐

*car leaves road* "Oh it does that sometimes." WHY? AND WHY DOES THIS NOT ALARM YOU? AND WHY DO YOU KEEP DRIVING IT?

I have a Cadillac with driver assist and I turned it off the second I got the car. What people don’t realize is if the lines are painted on the road differently the computer still interpreted as a line that supposed to be there.

I won't even use cruise control in my car i want to be in control

Paul Ferguson (Shanda Vanderark’s son) would be a fascinating topic for you to cover. I was completely fooled by him thinking he was some kind of innocecent.

We are increasingly immersed in a world in which a machine is designed to do things for us. And on the other hand, we resort to exercising at the gym to have something to do and the body to stay useful. And, in free time, our minds fill with useless information to escape boredom. We are incoherent beings.

Having the full self driving feature is not the same as downloading all aspects of the program. Maybe there really was something not downloaded, However it should be clear if that’s the case

Even a 0.00001% chance of SD failure is unsafe....and should not be legal anywhere

People can hack your telsa and crash you into a tree. No thanks

My immediate answer after only reading the title.. YES, PROBABLY.!!!

My analysis is that the Model 3 was shamed and demonized as a child, giving it very low self esteem and self worth, maybe causing the obvious Vulnerable Narcissism. The Model 3, maybe stemming from the low self esteem, showed signs of depression too, as well as very pronounced Grandiose delusions, even claiming to have met the Archangel Michael, making me speculate that it had Schizoaffective disorder, This is just an analysis, not a diagnosis

Alcohol is nobody's friend. 😢

*_”The more complex the Plumbing the Easier it is to Stuff the Drains”_*

😢Very good video! I’ve heard of this story but liked the extra information you provided!! I think they probably fell asleep but I agree with you that they shouldn’t have been drunk and driving.

have we seriously become so fat and lazy and spoiled that we can even drive? 🤷🏻‍♀️ dear god.

There are 52 driverless vehicle companies working in Silicon Beach. Tesla’s autopilot was NOT approved to test in the designated test area. It was deemed insufficient for even testing. There was no secret about Teslas failed system.

Recently had a trail for FSD and it was immediately clear that I need to be attention and ready to take over at any moment

I believe that he was just riding along with no thought about the road ahead, it was late and in a careless way he disenngaged the automatic driving, he was impaired so its likely to believe he tried to engage the automatic driving again instead of stopping as fast as possible, so he was looking inside of the car, didnt see the road turning nor the tree up ahead. The "ohhh blank" was probably in reference to him disengaging the full self drive.

Babe, wake up, Dr. Grande just posted

Someday analyze Elon Musk

Malfunctions is the reason I wont get on an elevator. I also wont lock myself in a self locking car with all electric locks. Cant imagine trusting a car to drive itself.

Thank you for your analysis, Dr. Grande!

Wow another crazy story of computer operated death machines

TESLAS suck

Bad things that happen because of drunk driving are simple to avoid. Dont get behind the wheel if you have been drinking.

Maybe we should start by not advertising a cruise control function as "Full Self-Driving" There is a reason shampoo bottels have a warning on them.

Elon Musk tells Lies