Lol Grow up U did u watch YQ video fully also YQ 8n holes is his Personal Opinions BUT on Qirat many Other academics disagree with him n responds him in detail also talked with him in person YQ in Facebook said that his opinions in on Qirat not on its preservation (but yes both have deep relation) But moreover u should use Arguments like Dan giving u caz then u have something to Give but saying 1 sentence make u look like fool without understanding Basic topics Tnx If anyone want to learn islam subscribe this channels Must watch this Bayyinah tv will start it's dream course on arabic in September ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gDUBhC2SzpE.html Also check out this courses Age of aisha allegations Debunked ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8NB-D-fWfpg.html Also must subscribe ru-vid.com/group/PLgrhw8sbiJg2TvzrH5vEdqgboebkksKLq ru-vid.com/group/PLYLTk1sNaxVbVR54SzP635oedNG2-T1K7 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nvRKAzbU3nM.html Free animation Easiest Arabic Course 4 free ru-vid.com/group/PLwNeHLk_z0aQ7rYXtqXCqlSPE_4qxUkF2 ru-vid.com/group/PLwNeHLk_z0aQlgvX7ykg0JyZRcPKtrlZi ru-vid.com/group/PLHHCQMGIzlJtaKFzl7dzvuPdlAktclJUl Qirat Course ru-vid.com/group/PL2dRQaGGWZOCmQU0I0kWYb-_LNxqD0qnE Preservation of Quran Course (MOST DETAILED N LONGEST COURSE ON QURAN HISTORY ) ru-vid.com/group/PL3yXG2ufxd6Ufv8iDWTj_JGbICzfiyLoB Another Course on Qirat ru-vid.com/group/PLm1B0Yge3Fj8qdKYt_7L-nYswc-C7nAmB Course on Atheism ru-vid.com/group/PLgrhw8sbiJg2TvzrH5vEdqgboebkksKLq Debunking Jay Smith on Qirat n Quran preservation ru-vid.com/group/PLqH6jPK4QP1bOaZ7gW-V7m-WO58RNGkeC My playlist ru-vid.com/group/PLK24iDAnn2U4sCNWhUyNbzp1hho9mG1-B Etc etc etc etc etc Important topic ru-vid.com/group/PLqH6jPK4QP1bOaZ7gW-V7m-WO58RNGkeC ru-vid.com/group/PLsdT_5k9wPhHDDVtz-B4mBDQeC9vMB535 ru-vid.com/group/PL180E9B55AE3E6B0B ru-vid.com/group/PLK24iDAnn2U46-j7QN77Zipd9fQAuj-ji ru-vid.com/group/PL_YH2R3pWYAyGmDnIfqQC5rIXgllXGqgv */(¥×)÷(=*(×)@¥#(*#*#**×(+¥₩+¥×*#*#**#?#?!#*×(×)(× #&×£¥×¥÷**÷*×*#?*@(+¥×(×(*×*×* ×&*+*+**+
@@Hello-vz1md Age of Aisha debunked?? Child Marriage debunked??? That video was fallacious. *_Surah 65:4. Bukhari 5133. Sahih Muslim Book 008, 3309-3310_* Blame the authors of the quran and blame bukhari and everybody in the isnaad chain and the _"mother of believers*_ and momo and ullah
@@user-us9iw6rt7b by just reading ur comments i can tell u didn't watch that video fully at all At lest read this fully Plz Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !"(#($&$(×(*$&#*@¥ For Anti islàmic ppls read this on Debunking age of aisha paedophile allegations part 1 lol no smart UR wrong about history 1st let us see what was the history of US now then arab ok Age of Consent in European & American History by DISCOVER THE TRUTH • SEPTEMBER 9, 2013 What was the ‘Age of Consent’ in European and American history, prior to the 20th century? In this article, I shall bring forth evidences which demonstrate that the ‘Age of consent’ was indeed, very young, even by today’s standards. I will provide academic sources which show that girls were allowed to be married at the age of 10 years old and sometimes times, as young as 7 years old, legally. It was norm just over 100 years ago to see girls being married off at very young ages. In most cultures, the marriage would have been consummated at the onset of puberty. 1. Professor of history Margaret Wade Labarge “It needs to be remembered that many Medieval widows were not old, Important heiresses were often married between the ages of 5 and 10 and might find themselves widowed while still in their teens.” [1] 2. Professor Richard Wortley and Professor Stephen Smallbone, both of whom state that prior to the 1900s girls married very young, “In Medieval and early modern European societies, the age of marriage remained low, with documented cases of brides as young as seven years, although marriages were typically not consummated until the girl reached puberty (Bullough 2004). Shakespeare’s Juliet was just 13, and there is no hint in the play that this was considered to be exceptional. The situation was similar on the other side of the Atlantic; Bullough reports the case in 1689 of a nine-year-old bride in Virginia. At the start of the nineteenth century in England, it was legal to have sex with a 10 year-old girl.” [2] 3. In the book, ‘Sex and Society’, “Until the late 20th century U.S. age of consent laws specifically names males as perpetrators and females as victims. Following English law, in which the age was set at 12 in 1275 and lowered to 10 in 1576, ages of consent in the American colonies were generally set at 10 or 12. The laws protected female virginity, which at the time was considered a valuable commodity until marriage. The theft of a girl’s chastity was seen as a property crime against her father and future husband. If two people were married and had sex, no matter what their age, no crime was committed because a woman was her husband’s property. In practice, too, the consent laws only protected white females, as many non-white females were enslaved or otherwise discriminated against by the legal system.” [3] 4. Richard A. Posner is chief judge of the U.S court of appeals, Seventh Circuit Chicago. Katherine B. Silbaugh is associate Professor at Boston University School of Law, they say that before the 1900s age of consent was ten years old, “The law governing the age of consent has changed dramatically in the United States during this century. Most states codified a statutory age of consent during the nineteenth century, and the usual age was ten years.” [4] 5. The Scottish Law prior to 1900s by Sir John Comyns and Stewart Kyd, “By the law of Scotland, a woman cannot contrabere sponsalia before her age of seven years. 1 Rol. 343. I. 20. But by common law, persons may marry at any age. Co. Lit. 33. A. And upon such marriage the wife shall be endowed, if the attain the age of nine years, of what whatsoever age her husband be; but not before the age of nine years. Co. L. 33. A.” [5] 6. Professor of Sociology Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese says that a 50 year old man being with a girl under 10 (being intimate) Under United States law was legal until the mid 1960s, “In 1962, the American Law Institute recommended that the legal age of consent to sex- that is, the age below which sex is defined as statutory rape- be dropped in every state to age 10 (Katchadourian and Lund 1972: 439). In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” [6] 7. Maureen Dabbagh is a writer and author. Born in Michigan, she serves as a Virginia Supreme Court Family Mediator, she echoes the same statements as previous authors, “…the nineteenth century, the minimum age of consent for sexual intercourse in most American states was 10 years. In Delaware it was only 7 years.” [7] 8. Mike A. Males is an American sociologist who writes from a pro youth rights perspective. Males is a professor at the University of California, he writes, “These early laws specified that a girl consenting to sex had to be at least 10 to 12 years old in most states, with a few specifying ages as old as 14 or 16. In Delaware, the age of consent was seven, based on ancient English laws setting the age squire.” [8] 9. Arthur Siccan Author of the Book: ‘What’s Wrong in America: A Look at Troublesome Issues in Our Country’, goes in a lot of detail on the issue of marriage at earlier times, “Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man. Sir Edward Coke in 17th century England ‘made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband’s estate was 9. The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example Mary Hathaway of Virginia, was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss canons, initially set the age of consent at 10-12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century. Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10- 12. In the United States, by the 1880s, most states set the age of consent at 10-12, and in one state Delaware, the age of consent was only 7. Social and resulting legal attitudes toward the appropriate age of consent have drifted upwards in modern times. For example while ages from 10 to 13 were typically acceptable in Western countries during the mid-19the century, the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century were marked by changing. I believe that a lot of our current mores come from reluctance to let our children mature mentally as quickly as our bodies do. Keep in mind that not all societies share Western mores. And to my surprise, until the latter part of the 19th Century, Children in the Western nations were engaged and married at a much earlier age. The trend to give children more time to mature is relatively new. In his book, The Emphatic civilization, (Penguin, NY, 200) Jeremy Rifkin points out that the concept of adolescence only emerged during the last decade of the nineteenth century and the first three decades of the twentieth century. Society started to think of childhood as extending beyond puberty, into the later teenage years. Before that, children were considered to graduate into adulthood with the onset of puberty.” [9] 10. The ’American Bar Association’ Journal [August 1996]: “1275 English common law criminalizes statutory rape- sex between a man and a woman below the age of consent, which was first set at 12 years. 1576 Common Law age of consent lowered to 10 years. 1700s-1800s Statutory rape at common law adopted in the united states. States set the age of consent at 10 or 12 years.” [10] or 12 years.” [10] More coming Wait! ÷(#) $**#¥×)*#&÷(×¥×(*×*+(×(#(&×*+(*×*#*#(¥+*×*×!×*×)×)×¥
@@Hello-vz1md Tu quoque fallacy. Be logically consistent please. Account for your prof(it), those random people in ancient history are not supposed to be the _"greatest example of mankind"_ they are not the moral standard I appeal to. God is the moral standard. Respond to what I quoted because the guy in the video you linked couldn't.
Thank you Dr. Brubaker and Dr. Hilali for having the courage to make this important information public. Muslims need to be exposed to truth and make their decisions about whether they want to believe in Islam based on truth, not fantasy.
The bodies of some Muslims remain fresh in the grave is such a great proof of the existence of God and the true religion of Islam . Atheists (so-called intellectuals) from all over the world cannot deny this truth. There is no doubt that the followers of Islam may be wrong but not Islam.
@@yunusemre550 You should start with body of your prophet who promised that al-lah will preserve his corps and he will never decay. After couple of days of his death followers have to put him in a grave because his body was swelling and stinking.
Thanks to Dr Hilali for adding to the knowledge base. Of course, her work raises so many interesting questions that scholars will be digging into for years to come. An open discussion is what we all hope for.
Not really. Her research pretty much showed the Sana manuscript was nothing but a teaching manual (not the real Quran) and pretty much showed the Quran is the same.
this vid should be an obligatory subject for imam studies... always a great joy to see quran (& hence islam) being discussed on an academic level, unbiased, with such an extended factual and historical knowledge. also thumbs up for Dr Asma Hilali
@@variantquran4505 if i may add, you can have these Time Stamps on the ruler bar of your presentation - nice, short and easy for you. So that the viewer when he moves the cursor on the bar, you see the titles. Just my thoughts.
@@yunusemre550 *zina (ADU-LTERY) with SE-XSLAVES permitted in islame* islamqa.info/en/answers/20802/intercourse-with-a-slave-woman-is-not-regarded-as-zina-adultery
The bodies of some Muslims remain fresh in the grave is such a great proof of the existence of God and the true religion of Islam . Atheists (so-called intellectuals) from all over the world cannot deny this truth. There is no doubt that the followers of Islam may be wrong but not Islam.
@@yunusemre550 *zina (ADU-LTERY) with SE-XSLAVES permitted in islame* islamqa.info/en/answers/20802/intercourse-with-a-slave-woman-is-not-regarded-as-zina-adultery
She says two important points: 1. She is not an authority in this subject, and she is looking at it as an outsider. She is expert in other fields. 2. Her finding is that this copy is a student copy who used it to learn and therefore may have made changes to his understanding. She believes this is not a copy that is used for practice or in mosques. This manuscripts is proving the authenticity of Quraan and th fact it is not changed overtimes. The second text is relible. The old text is more of a student using this material for learning and practicing.
The first Islamic scholar with the correct approach of how to study the Islamic texts by studying all material as whole Quran, Hadith, etc,etc...I wonder how long before the Islamic scholars shut her down..
Truth is never threatened by research of those seeking truth. Lies of deceptions are threatened and oftentimes intolerant. It is good to ask questions. God encourages men to seek and know. Religion demands acceptance of its clerics and its dogmas.
Daniel, could you please raise the volume of your videos? Your voice is so melodious and gentle and so little bit more volume is required. Thanks for your scholarly works.
Well, since you put it that way... :) Yes, of course. I have already raised the volume a bit in the next video I am editing. Thanks for the kind comment. DB
Hi Dr Daniel u should always make a short version of these talks on points like 5min ones which shows the main points because it is too long to listen to .. We need points to say which point is said at what min? It can give viewer better choice to choose what they want to hear or which part
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Unfortunately, Yasir Qadi has destroyed the perfect preservation of the Quran by discussing the holes. No other Muslim scholar, of any repute, would tackle this subject without losing face, credibility or reputation.
Partially because of technical issues with the audio and the language barrier I don’t think most of the comments reflect that people understand the video. This comment is for the Muslims that think Brubaker is using some missionary tactic vs academic work in his past videos. Dr Hilaili is a Muslim and she holds the belief that the Sana’a were student learning aids. Respectfully Brubaker argues against that and with good reason. It just goes to show you can have sincere discourse without intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance. I do wish she had brought a better support for that theory than the one she provided.
Thank you for this comment. Actually, I am not for the moment taking a position on whether or not it was a "school text;" I was just giving our viewers the opportunity to hear Dr. Hilali's perspective. With respect to the "la taqul bismilla" versus a possible other reading, I mentioned the other only to give viewers the awareness about the existence of alternate theories and also even the mere possibility of reading the bare rasm differently in some cases. However, we did not have enough time to properly develop this topic, and in particular Dr. Hilali did not get the opportunity this time to explain why she settled on her theory when considered against the possibility of reading "al-anfāl." Therefore, we will be recording a second short interview this week for this narrow purpose. Look for that to be posted possibly in the next week or two. Best, DB
@@variantquran4505 Muslims can sense hidden agenda here,why would an earnest scholar without bias go on this kind of propagandist show? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5zog3xOrXDs.html
Variant Quran good to know your position or lack of position on the purpose of the Sana’a palimpsest. I’ve read other theories that the lower text is a surviving non-uthmanic variant that coincides with the tradition, however I’m not convinced given carbon dating. Also Dr Jay Smith had a review two years ago where his theory takes into account the reading as “la taqul bismilla”, but uses that as more evidence that it’s unlikely to be student work. I’m not sure if you’ll have time to read this comment but if you could, can you clarify on whether you believe the lower text to be scribal errors? Your videos suggest the latter. I gathered from your videos that was your position, so that was why I figured you were opposed to the idea that the palimpsest was some school exercise. I’m intrigued to hear Dr. Hiliali’s theory, but also since it might be closer to her field of study, what her insight is on the theory of Aramaic in early Qurans.
@@pa21thebeast I am not inclined toward the theory that it was a school exercise, but I am open to it as I am to all reasonable possibilities, and willing to hear arguments for them. I think we are at a stage in the study of these manuscripts when we really need to have lively engagement and the proliferation of theories and discussions. Dr. Hilali has had the opportunity to see this palimpsest in person, and part of her argument for it being a school exercise is the poor quality of the parchment. Since I've not handled it myself (though I have handled other palimpsests of comparable age), I have no way of judging this feature of the object. Even at that, parchment quality is relative; obviously the page was of high enough quality to be erased and rewritten and still survive 1400 years into the future without disintegrating. So, each detail is a piece of a larger argument, and we have to respect the that our knowledge is limited and consider the bits of knowledge that others have gathered. This is part of the conversation. We have plenty of time to critique and argue in the days ahead. In other words, I have a healthy skepticism, but not an unreasonable or rigid commitment to any particular position. Best, DB
Just wondering who were the people did the rewriting and on whose order, what year did they do it, why they did it, how much different are they from the current Quran version, and why was it found in Sanaa mosque?
Its almost identical, there are spelling differences and writing styles in the upper text but the lower text holds more interest as it has many differences.
Note lower text is a reading instruction not to use the name of Allah in chaper 9. This is understood as the last revelation. Do I understand this correctly as not to be considered Allah's driven and eternal word or command. If so what about the other 113 chapter. See time stamp 39:40
Dr Asma Hilali the question I will ask you is Was the Koran written on something for Mohamed to read from when he was told TO READ and not recite. Two words to different meanie ??
Mehhmmoud Abdullazeem retrench is قاموس لسان العرب But I going to play your game. So if Iqra means repeat then your Mohamed is not just an idiot but dumb idiot for him to answer انا لست بقارىء The answer should have been انا لست بمعيد ومكرر So Mohamed must have been a liar as well.
Mehhmmoud Abdullazeem @You see what you have in you and try to reflect it onto others. There are good and bad good in every HUMAN , Muslim Christian jew atheist Hindu .....etc. I don’t hate HUMANS but yes I can hate their wrong behavior wrong action wrong teachings Now be a man and stop dancing come on Paltalk and challenge me www.paltalk.come My name is WhatDoMuslimsKnow One of two rooms Laundry Room Or Is The Quran the Word Of Allah or Men Come debate challenge me. Then talk as a man
In Matthew 3:13-17 We see Jesus (God the Son), The Spirit of God (God the Holy Spirit) descending like a dove over Jesus, and a "Voice from Heaven saying "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Angels cannot create life. So who can it be that opened the Heavens that has such power? Note; Thus took place before eye witnesses. This was not a personal hidden revelation. This happened before a crowd. With the love of Jesus Christ, I kindly encourage you to seek out Jesus Christ. He speaks in parables, because the true meaning is for those who believe in Him to understand His words of life . [Matthew 13:10-15] 10The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” 11He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “ ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. 15For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ Jesus is referring to Himself as the one they should turn to in order that He would heal them. To be cured from this, our only option is Jesus Christ. No man on earth can provide what Jesus promises. Jesus is not just a "mere warner". He is the Messiah sent to save people from every nation and tounge through Himself because God the Father has given Him all authority to pardon the criminal who comes to the Son of the Master to be pardoned. But know this, His words are Life, if you seek Him with your whole heart you will find the truth and the deeper meaning in His parables. Also. Know that whoever honors the Father honors the Son, but whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father and eternal life is not in him. [John 5:20-24] 20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. 24“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. The Baptism of Jesus 13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” Please. This Gospel has come to the world through literally, blood sweat and tears. Jesus has revealed everything we need to start our spiritual journey with Him and gain wealth that cannot be stolen or for moth and rust to destroy but to have all our spiritual needs met in the Son of God. No Christian believes God had a wife and had sex to produce offspring, but rather a miracle of God. Sent to save us who believe Him as the Son of God who will redeem those who repent and turn to Him that they would be healed. Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." Will you come to Jesus to be healed, redeemed, and assured of your connection with God and eternal salvation? Or will you reject the Son and the Father also only to go before His Throne who has heard a loving warning, and denied it and also the hand of God that reached to you through Jesus so as to build a relationship with you, purify you, transform you and meet all of your spiritual needs in Christ Jesus because of the pride of dead religion, having an outward appearance of holiness yet denying God's power in Christ and remaining "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not understand." (Matthew 13:13) And depart where there is a weeping and gnashing of teeth where there is the great divide away from God in darkness and torment forever. Will you choose Jesus Christ? Or the pride of dead religion?
Quillian Abdullah Yeah sure, and I suppose the abrogation, cancellation, missing, forgotten, sheep eaten verses, as well as 2/3 of surah 33 missing, yep your right, the "Quran is perfectly preserved right down to the letter", what's left of it, that is.
LORD JESUS (YESHUA) Is The KING 👑 Of The JEWS (Isaiah 53) , (Psalms 22) and (Zechariah 12 : 10) ! GOD Have a SON (Proverbs 30 : 4) and (Psalms 2) ! The MESSIAH will be Born in Bethlehem on Earth (Micah 5 : 2) ! The MESSIAH will be GOD in Flesh on Earth (Isaiah 9 : 6-7) , (Isaiah 7 : 14) and (Micah 5 : 2) ! YESHUA IS MESSIAH ❤️ (Daniel 7 : 13-14) ! YESHUA Will WIN For us and Israel 🌍 Last Battle Armagedon (Zechariah 14 : 4) ! You must be Born Again with Holy Spirit 🤗 .
Show me any where in the Bible the Jesus refer to HIMSELF AS THE KING OF THE JEWS?? Please show me JESUS CHRIST MENTIONED ANY WHERE IN THE OT BEFORE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST. THANK YOU.
Sir I call you out on your statement. And for your information I am Born into Christian Family , Baptized In The name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit , Confirmed Christian and Will Die in my Faith Glorifying His Name. And Born in the land of Christ. So are you up for it ??
@@whatdomuslimsknowii9165 Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) _I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him._ _And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed._ as pointed to by Jesus Himself when He says: Matthew 26:64 (KJV) _Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven._ Mark 14:62 (KJV) _And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven._ Here we have Jesus' judicial testimony of Himself that it is Him (Jesus) that was meant by Daniel the prophet in the Old Testament book of Daniel. chapter 7: verse 13 to 14.
Pete Kondolios please the original writing in Greek which translates to “ you are the one who is saying that “. That is not a confirmation that he is. If JESUS replies “ YOU SAID THAT “. That would meant Jesus is confirming that HE IS ; but saying “ you are saying that “ means you accuse me of it. Please read the original and how it’s translated. Thank you
@@whatdomuslimsknowii9165 John 18:33-38 (KJV) _Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, _*_Art thou the King of the Jews?_* _Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?_ _Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?_ *_Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:_*_ if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence._ _Pilate therefore said unto him, _*_Art thou a king then?_*_ Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. _*_To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,_*_ that I should bear witness unto the truth._ _Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice._ _Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all._ Matthew 2:2 (KJV) _Saying, Where is he that is born _*_King of the Jews?_*_ for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him._ (Emphasis mine). Moreover: Revelation 11:15 (KJV) _And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever._ Revelation 17:14 (KJV) _These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful._ As Jesus' kingdom is a kingdom over all kingdoms of this world, and that Jesus is the King of all kings so certainly He is unquestionably the king of the Jews.
What date do you ascribe to the The Codex Parisino-Petropolitanus (early 8th century?), and do you agree that the Birmingham folio (Mingana 1572a) is a part of that?
@@yunusemre550 *zina (ADU-LTERY) with SE-XSLAVES permitted in islame* islamqa.info/en/answers/20802/intercourse-with-a-slave-woman-is-not-regarded-as-zina-adultery
@@yunusemre550 *zina (ADU-LTERY) with SE-XSLAVES permitted in islame* islamqa.info/en/answers/20802/intercourse-with-a-slave-woman-is-not-regarded-as-zina-adultery
@Be Skeptical Of Everything . I think it quiet plausible explanation. It makes sense to recycle, it also makes sense for the copies to be put away in a respected manner when no longer in use ie. in the dome of the mosque. Even today many Muslims would just wrap their copy of the Quran away and put some where safe and often a high place for respect.
Evidence points to the Quran being mostly an Aramaic, non-trinitarian Christian Lectionary. Islam has no religious presence or identity in the 7thC. But there is a lot of polemic evidence of Anti-Trinitarianism. Including the earliest dome inscriptions on the Temple Mount. It isn’t coincidence that Jesus is referenced historically as MHMD. Mohammad was never one person. It was a title awarded to Jesus that the Arabs perverted references of, in creating their own messianic prophet.
@ស្នាក់នៅ រ៉ាម៉ាន The Quran has been preserved by memorization not by written. The proof is that even today when someone is printed the Quran, the way to check it is that a memorizer reads it and checks whether the printing is correct or not.
The bodies of some Muslims remain fresh in the grave is such a great proof of the existence of God and the true religion of Islam . Atheists (so-called intellectuals) from all over the world cannot deny this truth. There is no doubt that the followers of Islam may be wrong but not Islam.
Even today there are books that Non Muslims have written calling them Qurans especially after 9/11 who is to say this book is not simply an Arabic, purposeful, misinterpreted version of a Quran just as Dr. Hiliali say her work was a subjective exercise.. These two are having two different conversations. One who is trying to figure out what is going on in a text and the other is trying to prove that the Quran is not real, Learning to read the Quran has many,many rules in order to preserve it. As well as reading the Quran by different ways, there are 7 rewayyas in reading which are different pronunciations which are used to help deal with the variety of accents so that the Quran should never be lost and should always be preserved. The lower text could be just recycled.
The bodies of some Muslims remain fresh in the grave is such a great proof of the existence of God and the true religion of Islam . Atheists (so-called intellectuals) from all over the world cannot deny this truth. There is no doubt that the followers of Islam may be wrong but not Islam.
@@yunusemre550 stop posting this nonsense on almost every comment here, being a troll. If the bodies don't decompose, So what??? Bodies of Christians have also been discovered to not fully decompose www.marypages.com/incorrupt-bodies-en.html Islam is a FALSE, MAN MADE religion that has spread by force where people are given 3 options - accept Islam and live, pay a tax if you don't accept it or be KILLED if you don't have money to pay the tax. A money making scheme for evil warlords! And if anyone leaves Islam, they must be killed. Is this not clear enough to you that this is pure Evil?! Your Allah is not all knowing because the Quran is full of wrong information/narratives on the human body, the universe, stories of prophets in the Old Testament, JESUS and Christianity. And where does Islam claim to lead you to? To a paradise of SEX, where men get to have sex with as many virgins as possible. Riddle me this, what do muslim women get in paradise??? Islam is a JOKE! And ANY THINKING person should not be part of it! I pray you come down of your high horse of pride, humble yourself and accept ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ Alone.
This Professor doesn't talk too much about ideas and analysis of the texts in question until 26:00, even then it's not very deep. Rather, she is talking at length about ideas relating to how to approach the study of this and that...
Even without this, it just takes a honest person to see that the quran doesn't come from God. It contains contradictions and even immoral commands like having "3 or 4" wives if 1 is not enough for you.
@@acungmalay2775 if I show you, you will say I am making this up so maybe you read the quran and decide for yourself: 1. According to the quran, who are the 3 persons of the Christian Trinity? 2. If God is all knowing why he say take "3 or 4" wives? Why not simply say 4. 3. What is the benefit to the family of having more than 1 wife? If God is good he will guide you to the good path not a bad one for you and your family. 4. Why does the quran confuse Mary mother of jesus as Mary sister of Aaron, daughter of the wife of Imran? 5. Quran claims to continue previous revelations but why does it mention Moses but not ten commandments which is the foundation of Jewish morality? Allah forgot his own ten commandments? 6. Exodus 3:15-16 God says to Moses his name to be remembered forever is Yahweh. Allah in Arabic means "the God", its not a name. Why Allah forgot his own name in the quran? 7. Allah is one but when he speak in quran why he say "We" if his oneness is so important? 8. When Allah speaks why does he say "in the name of Allah"? 9. In the Bible, God proclaims his love for Jews and Christians but in the quran he forgot he loved them also. 10. If jesus was only made to look like he died on the cross, why is it the fault of Christians and Jews for believing he really died? It was made to appear that way to them so what is the sin?
@@acungmalay2775 I can think of more contradictions but all this cannot compare to one simple observation: the whole Quran is the words of 1 man Muhammad. Muhammad married 11 wives (not including those he divorced), 1 of them was his adopted sons wife, some of them he killed the husband in war then married them...and the best one - he married 6 year old Aisha and consummated the marriage at 9 years old. He needed 11 wives to satisfy him and had sexual desire for a 9 year old. He demonstrated that he is full of lust! A man of God/final messenger sent from a HOLY GOD should also be holy and not debased like he was! According to the Quran, even Muhammad prayed for forgiveness but there is a sinless one - Jesus. even the quran dont dare to claim he sinned and agrees with the Bible that Jesus is sinless and born miraculously from virgin birth. So why listen to the message from a sinful man and ignore the message from the Sinless One?
@@wahlao81 " I can think of more contradictions but all .." So what is the problem with that? There is a specificity for the prophet Muhammad from Allah, regarding number of wives. You just try to bending the story. In war, many men died. And the widows and all the women would be taken as slaves. So if the commander would like to take a prisoner to become his wife, that was in order to keep the honor of that women. So how about Abraham, Jacob, David, Salomo ? They had many wives as well. even hundred of wives in Salomo case. David had dozen of wives. And Bible never condame them. Even Jesus never limit number of wives for one man. So what, if The Prophet Muhammad as for forgiveness? He was a man also. Even Jesus ask for forgiveness in Mathew 6:10-12 and Luke 11:1-4. And Jesus many times prayed in bible.
@@acungmalay2775 In Matthew 6:10-12 is Jesus praying for forgiveness or teaching his disciples how to pray? Who is bending now? All those things I mentioned are from Muslim sources, I didn't bend anything. it's just up to you how you want to see it. If you want to think Muhammad is a Holy man no one can stop you. If anything I said is false (not factual) you show to me... I stop eating nasi babi for 7 days.
Muslims please read this although it's a bit off-topic. I speak for *many* men when I say this lady is *incredibly* attractive. You ask - but how can this be without long hair and revealing clothing? What this lady has is called *'demureness'* which is an inner quality. Please understand you can *NOT* obtain this through your coverings.
...u forget that darn oral tradition...the quran is not revealed like magic but 23 years of trial and tribulation....that's the greatest gift of allah to whom he pleases....
when people keep stating something incoherent to the reality, we call it propaganda... And we know that most of the time, propaganda does work ... many are consumed by it...
The Classical Narrative does not tally with the Historical Narrative of Quran. No Uthmanic Quran. Pity for all Muslims they depend their Eternity with Islam and Muhammad without them realizing that their Caliph invented their religion and commanded them not to check, ask or investigate their belief.
I wish I could ask if these Islamic scholars are Muslims. Maybe that seems unrelated to the work they do, but it would really be interesting to know the answer.
@ស្នាក់នៅ រ៉ាម៉ាន there is no content in that article, it's just shallow, claimimg that Daniel brubakker is wrong dosent make him wrong. You need to refute his claims using substantial evidance, which the article fail to do so, on the contrary brubakker clearly shows evidence to his claims.
@@tomvarghese293 Early manuscript still in the raw phase and with spelling according to the dialects of the writers. Funny the orientalists they don't know in what dialects the manuscript was written . The final product , during ustmani era.
@CNN is Fake News The dots are removed to generalize the dialects lmao we even do this today because Algerians dont speak the same as Syrians for example.
@CNN is Fake News And there are no substancial differences at all in any of the meanings. I have watched a few of his videos and there is no difference in meaning at all. Also there are many many references to Muhammad AS from outside the Islamic traditions. This is extremely commonplace actually you're definitely lying and you know about that. With regards to "rightly guided Kaliph", this is found constantly throughout the Quran. A Kalifh means a successor, all men are Successors/Representatives of God on the earth. A rightly guided Kaliph means... a wise human being. Thats what it means. Every single manuscript has the same idea.
If the “original” Uthmanic mushaf don’t now exist “because they were worn-out”..... That puts into question the Muslim’s claim that their Allah has protected the Koran!
Hi dr.brubaker,i can says it all,you need to add indonesian subtitles,there are really really big wave of the power of christianity there,and islam looks like going to Losing,please add indonesian subs,im indonesian myself,thanks,god bless you❤️
Thank you for this, Akal. I notice that these videos get a lot of views in Indonesia and am happy for the sincere interest. I could add automatic subtitles in Indonesian, but don't know how to edit them since it is not a language I speak. Any suggestions? DB
Devout muslim here and a big fan of your work. Even though you mention intellectual honesty is a given, I very much appreciate you stressing it as well. Dr B. Did I understand correctly that Dr. Asma commented that canonical variations is another term for qiraat? What is the difference between variations and variants? Dr. A’s conclusion regarding the lower text I think is brilliant. You mention that laa taqul bismillah could also be read as al anfaal given the textual skeleton, what in your opinion given the context is stronger opinion?
@@faisalwho Nothing to elaborate...Dr. Brubaker is biased,he is christian apolegist... He is obvioulsy trying to get something out of her so he can use it against muslims but she is not giving anythnig and even if she was wouldn't be relevant to his polemics because quranic manuscripts are not even her field of experties. Watch him in interview with Jey Smith and other christian propagandists ...he isn't earnest source of information about Quran.
@@pobjedaistine2177 dont worry. NOBODY can be expert because no sooner they become expert they will have to speak the truth in which case they will be shot down 🤣🤣🤣 as for you today you have been warned that you are following a false god!!!
The answer is yes. The quran did exist as an early book. This answer is given by scholars like Eléonor Cellard and Maijn Van Putten, Angelica Neuwrith....
No you dont... the muslim claim is, the quran we have today is preserved and goes back to the prophet of islam.. there is nothing in this video or in any other video with quran variants that makes this claim false.... Every single word of the quranic manuscript we have today can be traced back to the most anciant manuscripts... it does not matter if we find qurans with errors or variants..... the muslim claim is that the quran we have today is preserved and goes back to the prophet. Here is another leading scholar on the subject: "The Codex Amrensis 1 was among the examples that illustrate the existence of an ancient pattern of transmission whose characteristics closely resemble the Vulgate Qur’anic. The manuscript was probably produced in the first half of the 8th century by a professional copyist, although is small in size (which is related to its horizontal orientation) and bears evidence of an attempt to economize parchment". Cellard mentions that only 20% of the manuscript remains, although its construction indicates that it originally constituted a complete, possibly several-volume Qur’ān: "Among its important textual features is that the order of surates and verses conforms precisely to the order of the standard edition of the Qur’ān. The text is also identical, with the exception of several copyists’ errors (which are common in any handwritten text). There are a number of orthographical variations, particularly linked to notations of long vowels that are indicative of an older version in the in-progress Arabic writing system. But this manuscript was clearly already part of a pattern of highly controlled written transmission of the Qur’ān". Dr. Eléonore Cellard This is what muslim claim is and no variants or scribe errors can falsify it....
@@Logia1978 1. 99% claim that the Quran does not have a single error, i.e. neither grammar nor spelling errors and that all of this was passed down word for word. I have had some discussions with Muslims who have told me that if I could show them a single mistake or a difference in the manuscripts they would leave Islam. 2. The Quran variants today do not even go back to Uthman, but the Quran from Uthman cannot be found.
@@falkenauge4.0ace8 wrong again... Arabic grammar and writings were fixed after the quran with the quran as reference.. The fact that we have 1st century part of multiple qurans that are just like the quran we have today (or with writing variation that evolved), shows that there is an strong and controled transmission even before those manuscripts of the quran so we dont need the exact Othmanic vulgate to see the patern and more than that, muslims did not wait the written quran to transmit it orally cover to cover perfectly... this tradition is alive even today and you can hear the recitation of the quran cover to cover by heart at the month of ramadan in any mosque..
Oh my.... Islam is attacked at all angles and from its foundation and so far no rebuttal from muslims that are convincing and backed by factual sources. Questions that still unanswered like : Did Islam started in Mecca or Petra, sources of the Quran, Was there really a Mohd in the 7th century, there are not 1 but many Qurans and which one is it that is the same in heaven.
Thank you for this video I personally shear the same thoughts as Dr hilali we need to study the historicity of the manuscript and put it into context. The Quran was revealed orally and by this time the language was evolving with different dialects and diacritical markings introduced so when people like a Bedouin Arab heard the Quran his writing may/ may not have long vowels or certain letters was left out etc..the manuscripts are in different writing styles also eg..kulfic, Hijazi etc. Like the Sanaa palamsis was a school activity like we have today as we memorize portions of the Quran we try to write it from memory then check our mistakes etc.. For this reason Muslims have said the Quran is preserved as the oral readings are intact and is reviewed at least 5 times per day in the salawaat. It was a Good discussion.
[The Qur'an] is strikingly lacking in overall structure, frequently obscure and inconsequential in both language and content, perfunctory in its linking of disparate materials, and given to the repetition of whole passages in variant versions. On this basis it can plausibly be argued that the book is the product of belated and imperfect editing of materials from a plurality of traditions.1 This is the conclusion Michael Cook and Patricia Crone came to after following the scholarship of Dr. John Wansbrough. The argument is that textual analysis of the Qur'an will lead one to realize that Islam's holiest scripture is actually nothing more than a compilation of variant traditions; traditions that were floating around at the time of the book's writing. The claim that the Qur'an is the word of God is, wholly unsupported. This is a claim that Muslims accept on blind faith. The style of the Qur'an is something that will undoubtedly come up when putting forth any theory about the Qur'an's origin. The Qur'an, is narrated in the first person. It is generally presented as God's word to Muhammad. The variant stories presented in the Qur'an result in the Qur'an as not always presented as the speech of God. One of the many variants is when Muhammad went from Mecca to Jerusalem, stopping at the al-Aksa Mosque. The problem is, the al-Aksa Mosque in Jerusalem was built roughly 46 years after the traditional time given for Muhammad's death. Therefore, if this verse is in fact claiming that Muhammad paid a visit to this Mosque, one would have to conclude that the verse was an interpolation added into the text. Zulfikar Khan's essay "Koran - The Ultimate Truth"is an unflinchingly brutal attack on the Qur'an's integrity, which focuses mainly on the issue of contradictions in the text. Zulfikar Khan exposed numerous contradictions in the Qur'an, and there is no doubt that Muslim apologists will offer all kinds of wild confabulations in an attempt to reconcile each one. It is quite obvious that in the world of apologetics, such characters are more than willing to sacrifice their intellectual integrity in order to salvage their cherished beliefs. Numerous conflicting statements in a text is a sign that the text is from a plurality of sources. The reality is we have no reliable sources from which we can make any decisions with regard to the role Muhammad played in the creation of the Qur'an. The Qur'an itself tells us nothing, outside of a few ambiguous mentionings of a certain muhammad, or "praised one." All information on Muhammad, who he was, his interaction with Jibreel, his prophethood, et cetera, are derived from a highly questionable source: the ahadith. These are traditions that were, for the most part, written down and compiled more than two hundred years after the events they are allegedly relating. In fact, by the admission of the Muslims themselves, the most respected ahadith are those compiled by Imam Bukhari, who died in the late ninth century (roughly 870 CE), nearly two hundred and forty years after the time that Muhammad allegedly lived. Furthermore, the dating system of the early Muslims is so weak that the issue of the gap in time between the writing of the ahadith and the events they are reporting becomes even more of a problem. According to Islamic tradition, Muhammad was born during 'am-al-fil, the year of the elephant, which was allegedly 570 CE. This was, according to Islamic folklore, a year that many of the pre-Islamic Arabs remembered, because it is when an army of Ethiopian warriors on Elephants was repelled by birds throwing stones. Following that, we get another tradition that tells us that Muhammad was called to prophethood at the age of forty (approximately 610 CE). It is from here that the Islamic calendar starts, based on a shaky tradition, that is itself based on another shaky tradition, and therefore it is totally unreliable. Muslims will, no doubt, demand that we accept the highly tendentious ahadith collections as a reliable source of information, but there is no real reason to do so. Many of these traditions contradict one another, or are of a highly absurd nature. Even worse, the Qur'an itself seems to warn the believers against resorting to any hadith-based information. One verse of the Qur'an warns against those who spread "frivolous stories" (lahv-al-hadith), and yet another says, in a very straight forward way: "tilka aayaatullahi nutloohaa 'alayka bil haqqi fabi-ayyi *HADEETHI* ba'dallaahi wa aayaatihi yoominoon," or "These are the revelations of God which we recite to you correctly; in what hadith other than God and his revelations will they believe?" From the literary point of view, the Koran has little merit. Declamation, repetition, puerility, a lack of logic and coherence strike the unprepared reader at every turn. It is humiliating to the human intellect to think that this mediocre literature has been the subject of innumerable commentaries, and that millions of men are still wasting time absorbing it. This description of the Qur'an by Salomon Reinach is rather fitting, particularly the part about repetition. One would wonder why the same statement needs to be said over and over again if it is from a single person. What is worse, many of these duplicate statements differ in context and wording. Once one is aware of this, it is easier to understand the theory that the Qur'an is a work of multiple hands. The Qur'an is given to repetition of whole passages of variant versions. Blatant contradictions have been shown. How can we conclude that this text is the word of an Almighty God, or even a single Arab nomad? It is quite clear that the Qur'an is, as Cook and Crone said at the outset, "the product of belated and imperfect editing of materials from a plurality of traditions." There is simply no other possibility. Whenever the Qur'an was compiled, its compiler(s) took numerous variant traditions into consideration, and included many, or even all, of them into the official cannon. The result is the Qur'an we have today. Orientalist scholar Dr. Christoph Heger wrote: The transmitted Qur'an is the work of multiple hands, comprising texts of different origins and having gone through various stages of editing. It is a really rewarding target of scholarly research to discover these various origins and strata.
Hellooo bro the Holy Quran has been completed in the time of our Prophet Muhammad pbuh.It was arranged according to the Prophet ‘s order.But it was not in a book form but it was in bones,flat stone, leaf form .In the time of Califah Osman’s time it was made in to a book form. But the arrangement is same as it was from the time of our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. ‘
Mohammad learnt everything from the Jews during times when he traded with them thats in the bible and still managed get big errors such as the trinity wrong
THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK PROVES THAT JESUS IS NOT THE GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTIAN. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT PROVES THAT JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS. JESUS WAS NEVER SENT TO CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS. JESUS ONLY HAS A VERY CLEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. MATTHEW 15: 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL. JESUS WAS BORN TO BE A LEADER WHO WILL SHEPHERD THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, NOT SHEPHERD CHRISTIANS. MATTHEW 2: 6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people ISRAEL. JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES, JESUS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS. MARK 12: 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments, Hear, O ISRAEL, The Lord our God is one Lord. JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. JESUS IS NOT THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT STATES THAT JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR OF CHRISTIANS. ACTS 13: 23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto ISRAEL A SAVIOUR, JESUS. JESUS BE PRAYED AS KING OF ISRAEL, NOT AS KING OF CHRISTIANS. JOHN 12: 13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of ISRAEL that cometh in the name of the Lord. JESUS COMMANDED THE WORSHIP OF GOD, JESUS NEVER COMMANDED WORSHIP OF JESUS. MATTHEW 4: 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. JESUS COMMANDED TO THE FOLLOW JESUS, JESUS NEVER COMMANDED WORSHIP OF JESUS. JOHN 8: 12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that FOLLOWETH me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOK, JESUS ONLY INTERACTED WITH ISRAELITES. JESUS WAS NEVER INTERACTED WITH CHRISTIANS. THERE IS NO STORIES ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS. WITH THE EVIDENCE ABOVE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE JESUS IS GOD OF CHRISTIANS. TO PROVE IT, READ THE NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS FROM MATTHEW TO REVELATION WITH COMMON SENSE.
Yes! A huge number of latter half of 7th century onward papyri have been found all over. Just heck, University of Freiburg, Berlin, Birmingham, Paris, Moscow, etc.etc. You are clearly out of date!
@@paulellis5101 He has a youtube channel but there is no need to go over all of his videos there. He even talks about this in his film "The sacred city". He talks about this in the part about the qibla wall and the introduction of the mihrab niche.
@@paulellis5101 go to 1:22:00 where he says "but what about earlier qurans written in other scripts. I have searched through many earliar Quranic parchments written in pre Kufic script. It should come as no surprise that none of the pre kufic material include verses about the changing of qibla"
29:38 " heay let s waste money using paper which is very costy and let s make a book which is even more expansive but we dont intend to preserve that " as much respect I have to Hilali , it s stupid Nobody will waste money making a fake quran with the intends to destroy it it doesnt make any sense
@@variantquran4505during the "Battle of Yamama" many hufaz died, it was after battle of yamama abu bkr ordered to collect quran cover to cover as a hard copy, but prior to battle they didn't have proper written cover to cover copy but the transmission of quran continued through hufaz till todate..... you non-believers shall never ever digest this . it will always stuck in your throats....Always
@@channelone3773G I know that many people assume that the accounts that were written quite a bit later are true, and I am not saying for sure that there is not truth contained in them. The question is, how do you know that a specific claim contained in the histories (such as any of those you have mentioned already) is true? It is one thing to say that you believe because you just trust al-Ṭabarī and others (concerning that point), but for historians who are trying to reconcile all the evidence, we need to rest our conclusions on evidence. When different pieces of evidence seem to contradict each other, then these contradictions must be resolved. So, you have ninth century purported historical accounts, and then you have 7th and 8th century manuscripts, and you have inscriptions (such as the Dome of the Rock), and you have coinage, etc. All these things should be taken into account. It may be easy to say "Oh well, the physical evidence does not matter because someone said that people had the Quran preserved perfectly in their memories," but that claim cannot be verified apart from the physical evidence. In other words, you can believe it, but for a historian we cannot state it so confidently -- especially when the early historical sources have been demonstrated to be unreliable in so many places. Fred Donner has dealt with this very nicely in his book "Early Muslim Conquests." Among scholars, the problems in the historic accounts of the time are well-known and acknowledged.
@@variantquran4505 who dealt with it we don't really care. it is all about personal experiences. non believers think when muslims memorize quran they use paper but it is transmits mouth to mouth orally. i became memorizer at easly age of 8 with out even look at the paper version it was complete orally ...this is an example...and the dialect we use is "qurayshe" because quran reveled in quraysh dialect... i can challenge if you have a child aged 5 or 6 years old send him or her to memorize the quran with in few years your child fully memorize it and that miracle of it... "Indeed, We have made this (Quran) easy to understand and remember".....
@@variantquran4505 what you trying to do is as following quran itself answer it... They have taken their priests and monks as well as the Messiah, son of Mary, as lords besides Allah,1 even though they were commanded to worship none but One God. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. Glorified is He above what they associate ˹with Him˺ They wish to extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths, but Allah will only allow His light to be perfected, even to the dismay of the disbelievers. Millions came before you and Millions would come after your but They will not be able extinguish Allah’s light with their mouths...
What source you you want jwsh !... The political influence have never interfere with Quran manuscript. (Prove it) The challenge is simple......we have Muslims all over the world .do we have different Quran..? Dr. Brubaker your been used.for an agenda.learn Arabic and the development of the Arabic (writing).2 Good luck.
Definition of thw Quran is: "the revelation revealed from God, to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), via the angel Gabriel, passed on via mass transmission, whether orally or textually." Based on this definition, anyone challenging the Quran must find something added or removed from the Quran, by someone other than the Prophet Muhammad. This you wont find. Btw, all the" variants" are taught by the Prophet and fit the above defintion. Therefore, it still counts as part of the preserved Quran. I imagine many people wont understand what i just said. Respond if you have sensible claims, backed up with evidence. I wont respond to fools. A final point to note. Anyone trying to debunk the authenticity of the Quran. Please use those same standards to see if your own belief system passes the test. And be sincere. You owe that to yourself. I wont chase you up to ask whether you were being honest lol. Im willing yo listen to any seekers of the truth.
Early manuscript still in the raw phase and with spelling according to the dialects of the writers. Funny the orientalists they don't know in what dialects the manuscript was written . The final product , during ustmani era.
Wow wow!!!. You guys are fantastic to discover what no one else has failed to discover after over 1400 plus years. This Lady has given her opinion. It’s only an opinion. Dr Brubaker, you still remain in prison and will never get out if your heart is not clean. The guy in that movie Brubaker was a Good man fighting injustice. Your arm is too short to box with God. Please kindly find something meaningful to with your life.I pray that almighty Allah guide you and your fellow groups according to your Intentions.Peace out
