Did the S-Type save Jaguar from extinction?

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With the New Labour Government of 1997 and its youthful new Prime Minister, Tony Blair, the UK was undergoing a “Cool Britannia” transformation of identity. Britpop and The Spice Girls were sparking a renewed pride in being British as the country hurtled towards a new millennium and possibly a bright new future. It was into this atmosphere that Jaguar, under Ford’s stewardship, launched its new mid-size luxury car, the S-Type, a car that didn’t look forward, but backwards to Jaguars storied past. 8 years later the S-Type, and Ford’s ownership had disappeared, replaced by the modern, forward-looking XF. Why did Jaguar choose the retro-modern looks of the S-Type, was it any good, and did it spark a resurgence in the brand to make it a competitor with Germany’s finest, as Ford had wanted?
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@BigCar2 2 года назад

Erratum: The Triumph logo I show is for the motorcycle division.

@trabali5168 2 года назад

Great informative video.................but could you replace the spectrum 48k (the one with the rubber keys and pixel dot graphics) with a VIC 20.....................it was better. PS I was gonna say C64 but that just wouldnt be fair!!!!

@SparrowNoblePoland 2 года назад

However bad Jags were in the 80s, I'd still pick a Jag over a BMW or Mercedes if I had the money. If you buy a BMW or Mercedes, you're making a statement; 'I'm an asshole!' Something you don't do if you drive Jag. Also, in modern day UK, owning Mercedes is almost 100% equal with being an Arab and driving 80 to 100 in mph the city center through pedestrian crossing. Another reason to pick Jag over a German brand.

@ianedmonds9191 Год назад

@@trabali5168 No. Just No.

@jamesdpayne5008 Год назад

I wonder why Jaguar dropped the manual transmission from the 2003 SType??? and beyond.

@daghammar4385 2 года назад

I owned an S Type 3 litre petrol for three years. When entering the car, sliding onto the leather seats and grasping the wood and leather steering wheel was truly a special occasion every time. A wonderful car and the styling was a sight for sore eyes.

@OldLien1 2 года назад

Me too. I 100% agree with you!

@robmarsh2217 Год назад

As do i, a very solid enjoyable ,reliable Jag.

@eaauto6182 11 месяцев назад

I had one and the interior quality/design was terrible

@matthewgubbins8515 Месяц назад

I loved the s type. I saw it first in one of the gran turismo games

@Aygo84 2 года назад

I don't agree that the S-Type didn't age well. In my perspective, despite the retro-there, it actually still looks a clean well-proportioned design to dae. It aged much better than the 1995 Mercedes E-Class, for instance.

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

Absolut truth. 👌👍

@Decrepit_biker 2 года назад

Agree totally the e class aged awfully

@roldoxc2094 2 года назад

The (new) S-Type had already aged badly when it was launched. Even if it had been based on the better-looking Mk II, it would have been a misguided choice for a forward-thinking marque (as the vid rightly pointed out) even if it had been well-executed, which it wasn't. The E-Class was just a truly awful design, slab-sided with those curious ovals in the (already bland) tail lights, which split their shape and highlighted the bootlid shutline. The round headlights were actually the most pleasing part of the design! Both terrible cars design-wise!

@LaurentiusTriarius 2 года назад

Back then I was thinking the Rover was tolerable and the Jag was disgusting, I must say the Jag aged way better than the Rover...

@horus9220 2 года назад

I don’t agree. The Mercedes w210 is becoming a real classic. This S type will always be the re édition of the real S type (of the 60’s) without talent.

@baronvonjo1929 2 года назад

This is by far the most common Jaguar I see. Even decades after they were built. Must have done something right.

@mattmatthews5414 2 года назад

Sure, they only made about 90K XK’s from 96-05, 83k XJ’s from 02-09, but made nearly 300k S-types from 99-10. And they sold them cheeeep.

@stevec6427 2 года назад

It's actually a pretty decent car to drive, good enough that the XF chassis is actually very similar but my god it's ugly. If they made it decent looking they'd have sold several times as many

@bigsmoke8571 2 года назад

Utter rotting crap I guess non of you have worked on one

@netrioter 2 года назад

Um no...these were garbage along with the X-type

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@netrioter You and big smoke (same person?) tell us (and me as an experienced mechanic) what was so bad about them. I'll warn you to tread carefully though.

@renlysotherlover294 2 года назад

That jaguar is timeless it still holds up when I see them out on the roads. Why they ever changed and didn’t just evolve that timeless look is beyond me.

@ArmySigs Месяц назад

It literally says in the video why.

@IanStenner-nt7fv 20 дней назад

It is odd when you think the porsche 911 has been the same since 1963, but for some reason that's different plus the engine is in the back which makes crap handling but still people buy them then people argue no one buys saloons anymore yet the BMW 3 series is the best selling saloon in europe, people just are seemingly obsessed with over rated and unreliable German cars like Mercedes which has always had a good reputation but hasn't built a good reliable car since 1989...

@briandoan3837 2 года назад

I bought a used 2003 S-Type Base in Sept 20. Its a good car. The importance of the interior/mech improvements in 2003 are significant. Its a decent, RWD sport sedan with a 6sp AT. The retro styling now is a headturner. The S-Type is a good car that my 17 year old son loves to drive.

@balesjo 2 года назад

I was always a fan of the Ford era Jaguars, particularly the post 2000 ones, as well as the Lincoln LS. I still see both occasionally on the streets around here.

@rudiruttger 2 года назад

The sport modded turbocharged LS out there is very striking, and a window into what could have been.

@lobsterwhisperer7932 2 года назад

they are the most reliable jags ever built, and cheapest to maintain...if your mechanic is trustworthy.

@Locutus 2 года назад

I still think that the S Type still looks good today, 20 years later. It wouldn't take much to update the shape.

@stevec6427 2 года назад

That styling would appeal to a very small niche. It would never make the mass sales needed to be profitable and that's if it could ever get similar styling through pedestrian safety standards in Europe and the US.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@stevec6427 Seeing as we're currently in a sea of non-niche retro inspired cars I don't think your comment holds water, or more accurately takes on too much water and sinks into the North Atlantic Ocean.

@williampabon6432 2 года назад

I have a 2001 and love it just the way it is but always wandered what if...

@derekharrington8787 2 года назад

I drive a black jaguar s type 2000. Slick 4 liter V8 love my car.

@bigsmoke8571 2 года назад

@@derekharrington8787 what crack are you smoking they are god awful and they start to smell fusty inside as they age

@aliadilkhan1010 2 года назад

I was literally sitting in my room, and think to myself, how long till a new Big Car video, I guess for me it was a mere 60 seconds. Also a excellent video as expected.

@BigCar2 2 года назад

They usually come out at this time, every 2 weeks.

@bogdanvijan1 2 года назад

I like both Jaguar X type and S type. I don't know why they weren't successful. They look very beautiful and stylish to me.

@Emrestill 2 года назад

@Daisy Lynn no because jag never put 1.4-1.6-2.0 engines.. thats why jag sell less.. Even stype nice car..

@terencejay8845 2 года назад

An X-Type estate still looks like a tempting buy against the Mondeo version.

@dcarbs2979 2 года назад

@@Emrestill Jaguar were always a premium brand not aiming for the mass market. Not quite as deliberately restricted production or premium as Ferrari or Rolls Royce, but putting anything less than a 3.0 would be degrading the brand. There is higher profit margin in the premium market for those that have the pedigree, like Jaguar did but Ford and Toyota didn't, so they don't need to sell hundreds of thousands, just dozens of thousands.

@Emrestill 2 года назад

@@dcarbs2979 in my country Turkey Mercedes E classes have 1.6 engine versions and BMW 5 series too.. and that versions sell millions in years in my country.. İ just say if jaguar uses low pressure engines too.. im sure people not talk about stype like this .. cause when you sell more people Love more..

@dcarbs2979 2 года назад

@@Emrestill Something like that with such a tiny engine, you have to wonder if it can propel itself under its own power! It would be so underpowered, people would *hate* it. Here in the UK there are genuinely cars that are so bad, they can't be sold. Not through safety (although that is a factor), but specification so low that no one wants to buy it. I think Tata tried to under-cut Dacia and it was like entry-level stuff in the 1980s. We demand more here, especially for our own premium brands like Jaguar. Everyday mass-market cars like Mercedes and BMW, maybe not so much. As truck and bike builders too, they aren't car specialists.

@stevemccormack9948 2 года назад

It was perfection in my opinion - a perfect fusion of the modern car with the loveliest design from the 60s. If this is not a retro car well done I don't know what is. Even today, the iPace is not nearly as appealing or characterful. In fact this would be my favourite car for electric conversion.

@zorktxandnand3774 2 года назад

I think the Nissan Figaro did it better. The S type is just not quite right. it has that hint of old VW beetle conversion kits, which are suppose to make it look like something more expensive. It's all just a bit off.

@robmarsh2217 2 года назад

I agree ,always loved the old mr2 my dad had one . I think they did a great job designing a more refined luxury car. A definite classic. I my book

@nepiahemopo1702 2 года назад

Was more into the older, long wheel base S type. I think they were a straight six. Very nice car.

@freedomisnotnegotiable 2 года назад

It was always about the Lobby-work of Audi,VW and Mercedes, these cars were shut down by the Fake media, so called "motor journalists". I bought a 2006 jaguar xj8 last year and these cars are beautiful, sporty, comfortable, gas saving, so much better than any Mercedes, Audi or BMW from this era. Because of some stupid "motor journalists" people never even test drove a Jaguar because the magazine told them it is not as good as BMW, Mercedes or Audi... Every motor-journalist that get payed by an automaker is no more a reliable source

@stevemccormack9948 2 года назад

@@freedomisnotnegotiable Yes, if general mainstream media is anything to go by, then what you say does ring true. Mercedes, BMW and Audi have all had great moments in the past but they are putting me to sleep now for the longest time. Corporate bores.. Its like Opel recently when they showed off the original Opel Manta A from the 70s with a conversion to electric. And after great public reaction then claimed they will bring back the Manta - as an SUV - and nothing like the original. If they do that I will make a point of boycotting them.

@adrianduffen600 2 года назад

The Jaguar S Type is the car that got me my job at the then Jaguar Cars. I am still there 22 plus years later! Many up and downs in that time..... We could not build enough of them in '99 and '00.

@matthewlewis2072 2 года назад

Then couldn't sell enough every year thereafter...

@trickygood7528 2 года назад

My V8 S Type was one of the best cars I have ever owned. Took it 193k with just two coil packs & regular service needed Has to be a future classic

@metekavruk_Alanya 2 года назад

woow 193k miles and nearly no failure...

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

It's actually a classic car these days. And It's a head turner. Most junger people don't know this car today and elder people have forgotten it after two decades.

@theshield1613 2 года назад

Not surprised because it was under Ford, after they sold jaguar and land rover to tata it went down hill.

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

@@theshield1613 Yes. I think the fusion with Ford was not bad for Jaguar, even if some guys see it differently. But the Tata takeover was the worst that could have happened to Jaguar, as a traditional car brand.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@metekavruk_Alanya I get you're attempting sarcasm but based on what? 193k miles on an older car is big, especially with failures slightly more troublesome than a failed wiper blade...

@jamiesmith8313 2 года назад

Love my s type r , chose it over an e55, love the supercharger whine and real angry exhaust note with a big exhaust

@timfountain98 2 года назад

I loved both of the S-types I've owned. A 2000 S-type 4.0 and a 2004 S-type R. Both were extremely enjoyable to drive, had very good amenities for the time and both drew questions and admiration when filling up at the petrol/gas station. And I personally loved the styling! I've also owned an XJ8, an XJ6, an XK8, an X-type 3.0 and an XFR. The X-type was also a really good car, the AWD worked very well, and the interior was really well executed, at least on my '05 VDP. It needed another 50-100BHP and it would have been an epic car.

@McGrowlers1 2 года назад

Had S-Type Jaguars for twelve years. The first a 4ltr V8 that ate gearboxes but was otherwise reliable and the second in 2007 was the run out R version. They are quintessentially British and make driving a real pleasure. The STR was formidable and responded well to a bit of tweaking - on the rolling road she was putting out 570bhp and prodigious amounts of torque. It was in the mid range overtaking where she really excelled, so much so that you needed to pull out before flooring the throttle otherwise you’d park yourself in the boot of the car in front. I had her seven years and put 168,000 miles on her before retiring and moving on to an Aston.

@herseem 2 года назад

Sales of the Scorpio weren't sagging because people were buying other luxury brands, it was because Ford had done another Edsel and seemed to have ignored everyone shouting at them that this was a hideously ugly car that looked like an inanely grinning frog. No executive wants their car to look like that

@torstenscholz6243 2 года назад

The final Scorpio really was an oddball that unsurprisingly flopped badly. This strange "frogeye" front would maybe have suited an Asian small car, but how Ford thought that they could compete with the likes of Mercedes with that remains a mystery.

@jemimallah2591 2 года назад

if the scorpio had looked like the opel omega, the renault safrane or the nissan maxima it would have flopped too.

@paulluce2557 2 года назад

My other half always found it highly amusing when I referred to it as the 'Froggio'...

@Decrepit_biker 2 года назад

Agree the Scorpio looked awful from the front.... worse from the rear.

@philippelupien7109 2 года назад

Have to wonder what they serve at these focus groups

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

It's actually a classic car these days. And It's a head turner, especialy in countrys outside the UK. Most of the junger people don't know this rare car today and elder people have forgotten it after two decades. I like it since 23 years, since it was launched. 👌👌👍👍👍👍

@UKAbandonedMineExplores 2 года назад

I prefer it's styling to the bland offerings since.

@matthewlewis2072 2 года назад

"Classic" means "good", not just "old".

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

@@matthewlewis2072 Thats right.

@willswheels283 2 года назад

A friend of mine had a Jag S type 3.0V6, what a nice car, I liked the “Retro” looks of the car, even more so the all grey leather interior. I guess the retro theme for a Jag wasn’t to everyone’s taste, but a nice car all the same. Great review thanks Mr Big Car.

@gigadonis8684 2 года назад

Insanely unpopular opinion: I love the S-Types looks a lot. Best looking post 20th century Jag imo

@stevec6427 2 года назад

You need an eye test

@paulgabolinscy2502 2 года назад

Hardly Have you seen the XJ or the XK? 😂😂😂😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@gigadonis8684 2 года назад

@@paulgabolinscy2502 Yes they're good, but _I like this_

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@paulgabolinscy2502 They're merely OK.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@stevec6427 You need to shelve your bizarre hatred of a car.

@dolerulz 2 года назад

IMHO, the S-Type was the most elegant and beautiful design Jaguar had in decades. Just the right number of curves and chrome. The later models were too angular and aggressive.

@Del350K4 2 года назад

I agree, Kunal.

@mebsrea 2 года назад

Other than the F-Type, every Jag since 2009 has looked blandly Asian.

@Jon-zj2nj 2 года назад

The S-Type wasn’t without merit, but it’s slab sided looks were at odds with its curvy profile (making it look like it was deeply compromised by the platform it was based on), it was dumpy from the rear and the radiator grille’s shape was too similar to a lavatory seat, though the headlamps were nice.. The XF, that followed, looked like a modern Aston Martin (not Asian) and despite having the same underpinnings, looked uncomprmised.

@CalvinsWorldNews 2 года назад

I remember going with my dad for a test drive but he went for a Volvo in the end. The Jag just didn't have the 'bite' you would expect from the brand. It'a a nice interior and it certainly isn't just rebadged Ford as some people make out but at the same time it's not a car that grabs cool attention and that's half of what you want from the brand. The S-Type was the car that Rover *should* have built and the should have been something sharper - then we'd have both around today perhaps - but it was head to head at this stage of who would survive.

@nakoma5 2 года назад

@@creamwobbly The V6 version was offered with a manual, extremely rare though [assuming you live in US]

@TL98 2 года назад

Trivia: the S-Type R also raced in the Superstars series here in italy: a series that took cues from championships like DTM and the V8 Supercars championship

@tarransanders21 2 года назад

I remember the video game based on Superstars series...

@TL98 2 года назад

@@tarransanders21 there were two of them

@macsandsquid528 2 года назад

I loved my '06 S Type R. I was surprised to hear you discuss supercharger whine, as mine was as smooth and quiet as expected from Jaguar. Traded it in for a '11 XF Supercharged when the S Type's transmission started giving me fits. I've had more issues with the XF, especially in the beginning, but it is a hoot to drive. I've only decided to give it up due to how poorly the dealership experience has become. That is one thing that Jaguar has absolutely failed at.

@AndrewGruffudd 2 года назад

I love my S-Type - as I just proved by spending over £1,800 on a new MOT. It's the best car I've ever owned, far better than the then-newer Rover 75 I had ten years ago and, with rear wheel drive, it's masses more fun, too.

@EnthusiastCarHangar 2 года назад

I don’t think it looks that bad. The front and side is elegant and ages well. I can’t speak for the reliability but I doubt Jaguar would be in a better place without the intervention of Ford.

@porsche928s4 10 месяцев назад

Reliability is great I've got a supercharger s type with 171k miles and a v6 that just crossed 200k

@Sanpedranoazul 2 года назад

To me, it's a Gorgeous car now and then 🥳🥳😍

@Andy-From-England 2 года назад

I love the look of the XF also the ZX spectrum behind you

@FernandoTRA 2 года назад

The S-Type seems beautiful to me.

@NLBassist 2 года назад

Great! Again a very good and well documented documentary. I always get a smile on my face when I see a new Big Car episode online!

@BigCar2 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@nikolaidiqnov6801 2 года назад

Still drive my S type. Pretty solid vehicle with extremely nice interior and exterior. In my opinion the car was spot on but the expectations were too high and unrealistic. Jaguar never sold in such big numbers like BMW or Mercedes. And that is part of its uniqueness. Nowadays every third car is a BMW or Mercedes, or Audi. Jaguar, as a brand, adds a very special charm and feel to its cars. You don't get this from any other luxury car manufacturer.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

Beautifully put and very true.

@matthewlewis2072 2 года назад

Ironically, at its demise the (excellent) Ford Mondeo was the 'niche' choice...

@hazemasaadsaad 2 года назад

Brilliant film 🎥👍🏼 Love the S and X type development stories from that era.

@garrylawless3550 2 года назад

Great video! I remember the launches of both Rover 75 and Jaguar S-type. I've always loved Jaguars, being born in the 70's, it was a car I aspired to own. So I really liked the styling of the S-Type, what I didn't like was the interior, mainly the switchgear - what a mess! Luckily I've never had enough money to buy a brand new one, so have been spared the depreciation! Love seeing the ZX Spectrum on your shelf, I had a ZX81, and then a Spectrum - when I first loaded Manic Miner, I was amazed at the loading screen - it was something we'd never seen before! Amazing! Ever thought if doing a video on the Sinclair history?? 👍🏻

@BigCar2 2 года назад

There are lots of videos online about the history of Sinclair. I think I'll stick to cars, even though I'm into old home computers.

@garrylawless3550 2 года назад

@@BigCar2 Wow!!, I see your point after searching! Looking forward to your next video and any surprises you may have on your shelf! 👍🏻

@stevemayne9305 2 года назад

@@BigCar2 Renault had a ZX Spectrum promo, buy a Renault 9, get a free ZX Spectrum 48k, plus a cassette tape about the car, not aware of anyone on the Spectrum scene covering this to date. Would be interested in the background, if it was, or was not successful, what the Renault 9 was about, and what is exactly on the tapes. Nobody else can do this from the Spectrum scene. The Spectrum in the background of this video (I was already a subscriber) was mentioned in at least one of the F/B Spectrum Groups I am a member of, so more than a few subscribers who are also Spectrum fans and can help with the composite mod! Love a Spectrum, had all the good ones, and may have a few now as well! A little more info: spectrumcomputing.co.uk/entry/23511/ZX-Spectrum/Renault_After_Sales

@BigCar2 2 года назад

@@stevemayne9305 It's an interesting idea for a video. Nostalgia Nerd did a video on the Renault 19 (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PFRsc0ZtYho.html) and mentioned this. That would work well on his channel, I'll mention it. If he's not interested, I might do it as it's a good "fun little bit" to do.

@stevemayne9305 2 года назад

@@BigCar2 would be a fun bit to watch - do love a cheeky cross-over :) I am old enough to remember the advert in the papers at the time. Thank you for considering this for yourself or suggesting to Peter :)

@markiesmith4537 2 года назад

Brilliant video and explanation - thanks!...One picky point, you show all the BL logos at 1:33 but the Triumph logo you show is of Triumph Motorcycles at Meriden (1935 - 1990 logo pre Hinkley manufacture) not the Triumph word in a laurel ring that Triumph cars used at the end of production -Thanks again!

@BigCar2 2 года назад

I'm glad you spotted my deliberate error! Have two points. 😉

@nathanjoseph4284 2 года назад

Hey Mr. Big Car, I love the videos you put out, and I have another fun car suggestion you can add to your ever-growing idea list: Nash Metropolitan. It is a quirky, plucky British car with American styling, and sold under multiple brands (Austin, Nash, Hudson, etc.). I feel like it would be right up your alley, because I don't think anyone on RU-vid has ever done a history of the Metropolitan! I also feel like a story on that car would be popular on your channel because it's a car that is familiar with us on both sides of the pond (American and British viewers alike).

@BigCar2 2 года назад

Thanks for the suggestion Nathan. I tend to focus on cars people grew up with, as it tends to get the views that helps to pay for my time to make the video, but maybe in the future I could branch out and try something a little older.

@toineleuverink9905 2 года назад

Again another great documentary... Thank you!

@BigCar2 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it Toine!

@2steaksandwiches665 2 года назад

I always respect of these cars and enjoy seeing them. I know they are nothing special but they had a charm that modern Jaguars simply don’t have. Fantastic analysis. Thank you for your time

@BigCar2 2 года назад

Glad you liked it.

@Conservator. 2 года назад

I still think the S-Type is a beautiful car.

@The70s80scollection 2 года назад

Like wise I had one for 8 years, and changed it for an XJ x358, the last of the classic styled Jaguar's, the S Type had all the classic lines of a classic Jaguar and while some would say it was dated looking when new it will always be a beautiful, elegant looking car, more than can be said about its replacement....

@darrensdashcam4317 2 года назад

Agree Of course the look is dated that’s the idea I have a 2004 model & love it to bits

@stevec6427 2 года назад

I like how it drove but I hate the styling. The S Type R could have beaten the BMW M5 if it looked modern

@bigsmoke8571 2 года назад

Just as bad as the rover 75

@scruttles 2 года назад

@@darrensdashcam4317 Me too.. Mines an '04 3.0SE, - converted to LPG, which at 52.7p/litre (Asda H'pool, Aug 2021) puts an even bigger smile on my face.

@swanblake 2 года назад

Fantastic job on this! I remember this era quite well. Jaguar nowadays seems even more clueless than the Ford era and don't know what to do other than build EV SUVs which hasn't done well for sales so far in the ill named i Pace

@paulk1702 2 года назад

Loves these Big Car uploads; the diligent research that goes into making them is certainly evident. Always find myself pausing on the stats and old images - just to take everything in. My friend had an S-Type R in around 2005. Cracking car - comfortable and smooth - yet demonic when requested!

@johnmorrison27 2 года назад

Brilliant your best review yet, the Ford/Jaguar back story was absolutely spot on 👍👍

@burntorangeak 2 года назад

Correction : Nothing in the history of the earth has ever been ruined by supercharger whine.

@marcdaniels9079 2 года назад

LOL !!! Thanks

@RonHelzer 2 года назад

The plastic timing components on the front of those early V8s were a complete disaster!

@lewis72 2 года назад

IMO, plastics should be allowed under the bonnet. False economy IMO. You save on £/unit but then spend ££££ in warranties and lose even more ££££ in bad reputation and los custom. They get exposed to heat & sometimes water, which destroys them. The thermostat housing was also plastil (Well, Zytol 30, I think) which absorbed water when it got hot, expanded and so lifted away from its seal.

@planestrainsdogsncars4336 2 года назад

@@lewis72 You mean ''shouldn't'' I guess...kinda changes the whole narrative

@nelsonr32 2 года назад

I had a 2004 facelift 3.0 manual and it as lovely to drive and fault free.

@JeffKing310 2 года назад

Another great video ! Thanks Andy

@garygriffiths2911 2 года назад

I recall that my brother-in-law had a 3.0 version in met green soon after they were launched. Although I guess many would now say this design hasn't dated very well and that in any case this type of retro styling is overly nostalgic, but the truth is there was a time when sight of a S Type would literally stop people in the street as they paused to admire it - attention grabbing wise I doubt a Ferrari would have turned more heads!

@simonlb24 2 года назад

Not long after the S-Type release a work colleague gave me a lift in his company car S-Type. He was very pleased with it and gushing about how luxurious and comfortable it was. He still got very peeved when I pointed out the traction control button on the centre console was the same as the one in the Ford Focus hire car I was driving that week!

@rob5944 2 года назад

Does that matter?

@Hattonbank 2 года назад

No.

@kevinbarry71 2 года назад

If he was upset, then he's a moron. Unless you're talking about truly low quality components, having parts bin equipment is a good thing. It becomes much easier and cheaper to fix or replace it later

@mariopizzamanmario8563 2 года назад

Well, I have one of those S-types.... and I am happy that it is all Ford?Bosch and something, cause if it were Lucas electrics, I'm sure they'd be broken... 10 times... by now. Instead all of it is still working... after 21 years. Excellent car, buy the best one you can find though - once they go wrong, they are sometimes expensive to put right. Mine has server me 7 years now, never a problem (except for the battery... well... 17 years isn't bad...).

@PhilbyFavourites 2 года назад

@@rob5944 yes - there’s a strata for everything. You devalue the original with lower value detail inserts.

@ianedmonds9191 Год назад

Great video. Also I'm sitting here in my ZX Spectrum t-shirt on. Great to see one in prime place in the background. Love the channell.

@furryrug5998 Год назад

Really enjoying your content fella as i grew up as a teen late 80s into 90s and worked in motor trade for over 20yrs.

@catjudo1 2 года назад

I always kind of figured that the point of the S-Type was similar to the point of the Spice Girls: They're not really meant to be, ahem, ridden, but rather looked at and admired. In my kitchy American eyes, both had nice curves and pretty faces, but there wasn't a possibility that I'd ever get one. Another wonderful take on motoring history, sir!

@martijnvangorp 2 года назад

A draft design of the x-type was sold to GM that used it for the Daewoo Leganza

@kristianandani2459 2 года назад

They have nothing in common

@wilfamos7314 2 года назад

Great video, brilliant as ever. Thanks!

@52robbo Год назад

Another great video, thanks. Very interesting and informative.

@MicrobyteAlan 2 года назад

Good episode. I rented an S type while on a field trip back in 2000 or “01. It was a fine car, but I remember the interior was much like the Lincoln Continentals I’d been renting. Funny you mentioned that.

@madzen112 2 года назад

Writing from Denmark here, to me Jaguar always seemed like a more aristocratic brand than Mercedes and BMW and not really a competing brand, a brand for a different part of the market.

@gkstanfield 2 года назад

Mum bought a 2001 S-Type 4.0 V8 brand-new in lovely Sapphire over Ivory…she was sparingly used over nine years until I inherited her in 2010. I enjoyed her even more sparingly (no true problems) until 2016, when I sold her at a low 36,000 miles for an embarrassingly depreciaated price to a close friend of Mum’s who had always admired it. It felt right. Happy endings: she is enjoying a relaxed, elegant retirement in beautiful Naples, Florida…where her classic Jag style will always get a wink and a nod. Miss the millennium S-Type…I loved piloting it- always a special feeling of well-being. (I also loved that she was born at Castle Bromwich…a historic factory for the Spitfire fighter aircraft so crucial to WW2 Allied victory!)

@Andrew-zv4fm 2 года назад

Great video. I liked this generation of the S-Tyle. I liked the retro look. The commercial with Sting and the Stings music video featuring this car sold me.

@glennpowell3444 2 года назад

I still fondly remember the real jags of the 70's.The xjs.The daimler double six and the famous xk engines with their magical sounds.

@terencejay8845 2 года назад

I had a Daimler Double-Six. Beautiful car in arctic blue. Needed twin fuel-tanks costing a fortune to fill up. 16-18mpg I recall. Shame I had to sell it. When I bought it, I took it to a customer/friend who was an automotive engineer. He wanted to check it had the recalls done. He called it 'a real fanny-magnet.' Old school!

@TassieLorenzo 2 года назад

Jaguar were still selling the XJ and XJS into the early 1990's though! Compared to more modern vehicles like the S Class, LS400, and Soarer that was possibly of their problem.

@glennpowell3444 2 года назад

I remember them having twin tanks yes.No one would accept that kind of fuel consumption today.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

@@glennpowell3444 It wasn't a case of consumption, it was for the extra 'legs' say over a transcontinental trip. Why do you think the works Coopers had twin tanks? Different arena, still a lot of ground to cover.

@glennpowell3444 2 года назад

@@skylined5534 Good point.Yes being an ex mini fan and owner of a few the rally coopers did have two tanks.Forgotten that.

@sideshowbob32 2 года назад

I much preferred the ride in my x202 facelift over the e39 BMW, the Jag was more reliable as well!

@skylined5534 2 года назад

My E39 535i was brutally reliable but the ride was surprisingly harsh! Lush car though.

@alanharrison573 2 года назад

Jaguar S types are one of my favourite models.

@yueibm 2 года назад

Thank you for another great video!!!

@vauxhallfan676 2 года назад

Cracking video !

@ramadhanisme7 2 года назад

in my country, there is an old saying : A man just fortune a wealth will buy a bmw 5 series A man with his father's wealth will buy a merc e class A man with his grandfather's wealth will buy a jaguar s type

@Error6503 2 года назад

Another sage saying is "The quickest way to make a small fortune is to start with a large one and buy an old Jaguar"

@ramadhanisme7 2 года назад

@@Error6503 well in my country it doesn't cost a fortune to maintain an old s type, it is more expensive than maintaining a 5 series or e class but still not that expensive 🤣🤣

@kevmagill5163 Год назад

I had the 2003 S-type V8 in Metallic Red with Tan Interior...(after owning a 2000 Audi TT Quattro, which I would love to see you showcase)...I never had an ounce of mechanical trouble with the my S-type, except for having to replace the driver's side electric window's plastic winding spool that continually broke during my ownership...it was the only car my mother would get in...lol...My next car was the Nissan 350z which solved THAT problem. The S-type was a fast, luxurious car that was an amazing GT mile cruncher and it miss the ease of ownership that Jaguar warranty at the time afforded...great video as always!!!

@HypnotizinDetailz 2 года назад

Excellent episode - as per usual! 👌🏻🤩👍🏻

@GeneFraxby 2 года назад

Ford got their version of the XJ spot on. It was good looking inside and out, and was, for Jag, pretty reliable.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

Not 'for a Jag'... it was just reliable. In fact, the pre Ford stuff was pretty reliable too. But that doesn't make for a good Internet fairytale.

@matthewlewis2072 2 года назад

@@skylined5534 ...or sales.

@voiceofreason2674 2 года назад

@@skylined5534 yea Jaguar in 2009 had the best 10 year look back reliability of any European brand and Volvo was number 2. In 2019 they had fallen back into the pack.

@SMX815 2 года назад

The Jaguar S type was a beauty & it was a car with real presence 🇬🇧👍😊

@m-a-l-3000 2 года назад

Great video. Thank you! Wish to get a video with the Jaguar XJ Story...

@derekogilvie6942 2 года назад

BIG CAR - Always delivering such a high standard of content - fabulous as usual. Derek

@BigCar2 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it Derek!

@derekogilvie6942 2 года назад

@@BigCar2 A close friend had an S Type. He passed a few years ago so your post also brought back some fab memories. Thanks. D

@dragonskunkstudio7582 2 года назад

7:02 That is not a PT Cruiser, it's a cool looking prototype tho. The actual PT Cruiser is a sad sad embarrassment of a vehicle.

@Jay_Speed 2 года назад

My old boss had one of these PT and liked it. Drove it for then years after there Citroën XM was rear-ended.

@evanperry492 2 года назад

but very reliable ,as shown by the grand tour, if you want to break.

@georgebarnes8163 2 года назад

not as sad as the horrible Crossfire which seems to have been designed by someone on a bad acid trip.

@dragonskunkstudio7582 2 года назад

@@georgebarnes8163 Yes! Lets get those who are on good acid trips to design cars. :D

@jamesdennis2058 2 года назад

A friend was obsessed and owned 3 PT Cruisers at once. I used to call the PiTy Cruisers. My well used ‘80 Pinto wagon went about 245,000 miles and outlasted all 3 Cruisers.

@aashutoshbhagat2677 2 года назад

I remember Jeremy Clarkson making fun of the mustache grill on Topgear 🤣😆

@69-avec-ta-soeur 2 года назад

As usual, great analysis, your videos are simply the most informative and a pleasure to watch. S Type (and the Rover 75, since they were released quite at the same time) was an amazement when it was released. Yes it was retro, and 10x yes I loved that. The cabin materials were perhaps too US and not enough UK on the early releases but the relifted version was so much a better car. I would entirely buy one today, just fed-up with actual sporty or (falsely) green cars.

@benjames648 2 года назад

Yay! Love getting these vids

@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 2 года назад

I had a S-type for a few years. A great and vastly underated car. It's 3 Litre V6 was smooth and it was quite reliable. I still regret selling it. It was a car with character. The XF could have been an Audi, it had (and has) no style. I will never understand why people all want to drive something that looks like an Audi with no character at all...

@kevgeorge5866 2 года назад

I agree. I had two Stype sedans. Handled well and was very comfortable. I still miss how it drove. Much better than my current e-class sedan. Stype was reliable too.

@eivindlunde7772 2 года назад

As an XF owner and Audi hater I have to disagree. They needed to get away from the pipes and slippers image, and the XF and XE helped them do that. The XF is a elegant and sporty sedan IMO, you wouldn't mistake it for an Audi. And it drives really well too.

@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 2 года назад

@@eivindlunde7772 I do not hate Audi's, I only think that have no character. And that, to me, is the problem also with all modern Jags (and Volvos for that matter). I honestly believe all makes have made a mode towards the style of the German premium brands. And in doing so they lost their unique character. And, let's be honest, the XF and XE are not very successful cars, not when compared to the numbe of comparable cars sold by the German premium brands.

@anthonywhitehouse2295 2 года назад

i actually like the styling of the s type .

@sdferh 2 года назад

The jaguar s type is like a good mature cheese .. a timeless classic in my view

@Steve-K.G. Год назад

I bought my S Type just over a week ago and I look forward to many miles of motoring. Before that, I had an E Class, 2007, for a month. It was a cracking car, but felt so sterile inside. The Jaguar interior, although a throwback, has oodles of character and I love it as I have always loved that about Jaguar cars :-) Graet video mate, shame the British car market has been all but destroyed by bad management, and I really do hope that Rover can make a comeback, although unlikey. Even if they did, they would probably follow all the latest trends and end up being disappointing.

@wasdwasdwwasd 2 года назад

While Ford hardly reinvigorated Jaguar's fortunes I shudder to think what chaos GM would have wrought given what happened to Saab and Opel under their stewardship.

@Jay_Speed 2 года назад

Luckily Jaguar escaped that one, it would be a nightmare.

@georgebarnes8163 2 года назад

@@Jay_Speed They never escaped at all, Ford came up with the rot bucket X type which rarely got past 50 K miles before ending up in the scrapyard due to rotted inner and outer sills, they were a lovely looking car but the floor pan and sills were made from biscuit tins, cheap and nasty Mondeo on steroids that ruined Jags reputation.

@williamegler8771 2 года назад

Just how did GM create chaos at Opel? It owned the company for decades and during that time it sold millions of vehicles worldwide. It also engineered and developed chassis and whole vehicles sold under other GM divisions which also sold in their millions. It true GM didn't put in enough into R & D but several of it's models like the Corsa Astra Vectra and Insignia remained top sellers regardless.

@strongereveryday2302 2 года назад

GM ruins everything they acquire and have never innovated anything. Just derivatives of what others have done, only they do it worse.

@torstenscholz6243 2 года назад

@@strongereveryday2302 And unsurprisingly, today there's little left to ruin as GM is more and more fading into obscurity. What was once the world's biggest car company now is a sad shadow of its former self and their fate is oddly reminiscent of BMC/British Leyland/Austin Rover or whatever it was called that week.

@camrunner6633 2 года назад

The design has aged well

@leodannyportal 2 года назад

Good Job in consolidating automotive facts and history.

@torgeirbrandsnes1916 2 года назад

Great car vlog as always! My father always wanted a Jaguar. Then he started to play golf and found out that there was no room in boot for a set of golf clubs, even less room for two! So then he bought a W126 500 SEL. Damn I miss that car!

@alanaxan8793 2 года назад

Why? In an S Type you can put the back seats down and put a wardrobe in there!

@patrickracer43 2 года назад

The funny part about Ford's ownership of Jaguar was the Jaguar Formula One team, since Dearborn wanted it to be the British Ferrari, but allowed Nikki Lauda and Bobby Rahal to clash... although I really don't know why they didn't run the team under the blue oval of Ford

@khandallah4725 2 года назад

n the end no one cares but the buyer.

@aaronleverton4221 2 года назад

Lauda never should have been allowed in, brilliant F1 driver, less so of a manager. Rahal had a history of managing a winning team in CART/Indy. Also, Jac Nasser apparently achieved his own demise by not being able to answer Henry Ford III's question "who has the highest salary at Ford?" Nasser's reply was reportedly "Well, I guess I do" or something similar and Ford III's follow up was reportedly "Who is Edmund Irvine?"

@aidiotfromsouthlondon312 2 года назад

I love the smell of diesel in the morning

@ofirs5830 2 года назад

Serbia?

@aidiotfromsouthlondon312 2 года назад

@@ofirs5830 no Yugoslavia

@yuslaven89 2 года назад

@@ofirs5830 SR Bosnia and Herzegovina probably

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

I love the Stell of patrol alltogether.

@martingardener90 2 года назад

I thought the line was "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!"

@pizzalover3 2 года назад

Great video. Have owned a 2.5 V6 and a friend had the 4.2 V8. Great cars and would like a manual petrol one .

@gregorylenton8200 2 года назад

Great info thanks

@spavatch 2 года назад

Enjoyable lecture, as always. Thanks!

@vukotabrajovic5988 2 года назад

I completely disagree. The design of S-Type, as much as it was "backwards looking", was and still is, the more emblematic and infinitely better design than ANY of the current slew of bland and uninspired Indian Jaguars. Except the wonderful sport car F-Type, all of the current Jaguar designs are painfully generic, there is literally NOTHING inherently Jaguar in them and XF and XE could be the cars of ANY relevant manufacturer in the world, from Volvo, to Mazda or Hyundai, and it wouldn't make any difference. So, yes, S-Type had its share of troubles, and it was FAR from perfect car any way around, but at least from the outside - it was just and old, quirky Jag, just like its predecessor MK II, or even much maligned XJ Series III, both imperfect, but both destined to become classics. I don't know if S-Type will ever be considered a classic, but for me - it was the last TRUE Jaguar design, be it under American ownership or not. And that's why I'll always have a soft spot for it.

@voiceofreason2674 2 года назад

I agree. But the XF sold very well upon release even if it is bland looking. The new XJ is so so design to me but they make some real top of the line models with huge engines and beautiful interiors. So I don’t think Jaguar is dead under Tata but I don’t know of any good looking car in development at the moment

@sicilyny5375 Год назад

Agreed...not generic, classy, sporty in its own and the Most comfortable ride I've ever driven. I adore my Cat and will keep it as long as I'm around...not a college kid car, but perfect for me, loving the British old school aspect and feeling like a royal whenever in it. Crumpets anyone??

@homelate1306 2 года назад

Love that Speccy in the background!

@zakariasrw 2 года назад

Not even a Jaguar-fan but I love these videos.

@UKAbandonedMineExplores 2 года назад

I always loved the styling of the s and x types and still prefer them over the bland modern ones.

@matthewlewis2072 2 года назад

I believe Ian Callum re-styled both, doing an excellent job. But they were still old-fashioned; "handsome" rather than sleek or modern. Only the de-chromed sporty versions looked halfway good. The X-type failed due to rubbish engine choices, too. I remember renting a 2-litre, 6-cylinder auto. It did 26mpg on a motorway run. Horrific.

@MrJustapersn 2 года назад

6:14 just a correction on that bit. Ford Australia was never given the funding or resources to develop on the Ford Scorpio or Lincoln LS platform. Instead the Fairlane/Falcon was on the EA169 platform, which was a huge reworking of the 1988 EA Falcon platform, which itself was a rework of the XD Falcon platform from 1979. The Fairlane was just built on a Falcon estate car chassis for the extra length.

@BigCar2 2 года назад

I said they were going to. I should have pointed out they didn't go through with it, but things always get cut...

@paulsz6194 2 года назад

The XD Falcon looks strikingly similar to the Ford Granada of the day, and the EA-EL Falcon rear looks similar to the Ford Scorpio estate..

@MrJustapersn 2 года назад

@@BigCar2 oh I see. I understand editing down can be difficult at the best of times. Do you have any plans to do an Australian Ford Falcon story? Be interesting to see your take on the shoestring budget, sabotage from Ford USA, and that they were able to bring an almost 40 year old platform to modern safety and comfort standards.

@MrJustapersn 2 года назад

@@paulsz6194 it’s interesting you say that. The XD was apparently a Frankenstein of the European Granada and previous Australian market XC Falcon, which is why the XD has a rear live axle. What that development program ended up turning into had so many parts changed so had no commonality with the Granada except for the hesdlights. The EA to EL was then an evolution of that platform with the Falcon taking design cues from Ford of Europe and the Fairlane taking design cues from Ford of North America.

@BigCar2 2 года назад

@@MrJustapersn Unfortunately my mainly British audience doesn't seem to want to watch videos on cars they aren't familiar with. I tried with the American Pontiac Aztek, which wasn't a hit. Maybe I can find a way to do more international cars in the future.

@gregordavies Год назад

Love the zx spectrum in the background!

@capth00k 2 года назад

Nice! a jaaaaag video. I was hoping you would cover more jags. While the S bodies were nice, and I liked their style - the x350 / XJ8 was one of the best looking modern jags imho.

@robertbrewster1044 2 года назад

I've had a a fair few Jags over the last few years and its right getting in a s type is no where near as much of an occasion as getting in my XJs you alway just think its 2nd best to the XJ

@smorris12 2 года назад

Sadly Ford penny pinching was to the fore. More vinyl than leather in the seats, quick to rust fasteners, useless HVAC system, buggy Ford electronics modules. The 3 series I had after was streets ahead in terms of quality

@smorris12 2 года назад

On my 2002 Sport the HVAC wouldn't hold a steady temperature, sunshine sensor or no. The recirc mode (which it always started in) made the fan annoyingly loud. So I'd press the button to cancel it which would made the most irritating response chirp. The seat bolsters, headrest and backs were vinyl. Only the seat facings were leather. The inside light button has the same standard Ford bug where, because of the door delay, you don't know what state the state machine is in should you actually press it (ie turn the inside lights on manually, get out of the car, lock it and they'd stay on.) Many little plated metal bits were starting to rust at 4 years old, the undertray already held on by cable ties (the mounts were too delicate to cope with mechanics.) I ran the S for 18 months and bought a 4 year old 3 series afterwards. I've still run that now at 270k miles. The fasteners are *still* in a better state than the Jag's ever were, tho the body work had started to go (tho since I scrapped a similar vintage X Type due to rust 7 or 8 years ago I can't believe the S would be any better now.) Anything leather *is* leather even down to bits in the ski hatch and the gear gater and the electrics are a joy to use. Much as I dearly miss the Jag (the handling was sublime), like Land Rovers (which I've also been all over like a rash) the engineering is, sadly, a bit second rate

@davidpeters6536 2 года назад

All those Jag customers that bought S-Types instead of XJs must have been wrong then. The XJ's exterior was much bigger and it didn't have a "Ford" stigma, that's all.

@bumfluffmcregor3730 2 года назад

Just modern junk now the style and class of the old xj is gone

@alberteisenmann1023 2 года назад

@@davidpeters6536 The Interieur in the S type was 95 procent the same as the XJ. Both Interieurs manufactured in the UK. The leather quality was mutch better than Mercedes and BMW. The salon Interieur of the s type from 2002 - 2007 was the best you can get in this class.

@tomaszproblem2684 2 года назад

I am once again asking for the Trabant story

@dfweurocars 2 года назад

lmao

@KJohansson 2 года назад

Have looked at a few 2.7D S-types a few years ago, but the ones I looked at had both been hit bad by rust in the rear subframe. I guess they wasnt properly treated for salty winter roads. Nice video, thanks! Still waiting for the XJ video ;)

@terminal-velocity111 2 года назад

That’s a fabulous Sinclair Spectrum

@-DC- 2 года назад

Can remember sitting in one of these at launch and being absolutely amazed at the horrible low quality interior, by the time they turned it into a reasonable car nobody cared.

@Ampex196 2 года назад

They were never a 'proper' Jaguar. Bill Lyons will turn in his grave.

@alanaxan8793 2 года назад

I prefer the old crescent shape dash on the S Type to the newer Ford based design.

@Zanzibar2Far 2 года назад

I do think the original dash looked pretty awful, but it's impossible to overstate what an improvement the '03 refresh was, all soft touch, wood, metal and stitched leather around the centre console, really nice actually.

@skylined5534 2 года назад

What exactly made it 'low quality'? P.s. I remember these very well and the quality was anything but low in a contemporary sense unless you're moaning about parts bin controls which is hardly a qualifying trait for 'horrible'. Christ, a lot of 60s and 70s Jags shared common parts and switch gear with their lowly BL brethren for instance.

@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 2 года назад

The S-Type was a great car. Unfortunately it did not survive Germany's road salt, just as the X-Type. Ford seems to have cut some corners there, unlike with the XJ and XK. Changing their styling language with the XF was a grave mistake however, by now they are nothing but an Audi's copy, rather than a unique car.

@veronpalani5525 2 года назад

True but if I must be honest I drove both the bmw e46 and jaguar xtype and the jag by far gives a better drive... More power etc

@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 2 года назад

@@veronpalani5525 No doubt, we had both the X- and the S-Type, and we'd do the same again in a heartbeat.

@thisisadebrown 2 года назад

Great vid… again

@tepidtuna7450 Год назад

My wife and I loved our 2000 S-Type V8. 7 years of fully reliable pleasure. Handled well, turbine smooth and good looking. In the end the transmission couldn't be rebuilt as the alloy valve body recesses expanded from wear. Now it's an easy fix to press in brass bushings.