Did the Space Marine Legions Actually Need their Primarchs? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

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If Angron hadn't received the nails from his friendly overlords he'd probably have been a good leader for the World Eaters, he was a decent dude to his gladiator buddies but once the brain spikes were hammered in he was done for.

Our first brothers needed father Sanguinius, he changed us from berserkers that would fall to chaos during the Horus Heresy, to artists and writers that stayed with the Emperor loyally.

Astarte Legions: "NOTICE US!!!" Primarchs who are dead, went missing or turn traitor: "Nooooo...."

No wonder GW kicked Vulkan out of the setting, the guy is literally too noblebright for 40k

As much as we rip on him. The Imperium has an absolute reliance on Rowboat Girlyman.

"No Alpharius means no Alpharius, which for all his sons means Alpharius" boom every bit of Alpha Legion lore in one sentence.

4:35 “Either you die Rylonor, or live long enough to become Eribus”

Magnus is also one of the few primarchs that genuinely loved his sons as a father, rather than as a general. And ironically one of, if not *the* most loyal primarch.

Every legion needs a primarch to spice things up... Except the world eaters , no one needs Angron.

Vulkan saved his sons because without him they would stretch themselves trying to save as many humans as possible untill they would all die... like the Terran ones almost did. Corvus got rid of almost all the Terran recruits because they were basicaly Nightlords doing terror tactics. Only one Terran served in his advisors. The rest were sent to die at the frontlines of the Crusade.

Mortarian also buggered the his legion's effectiveness. Before he turned them into the Death Guard, the Dusk Raiders used diverse tactics, specialising in low casualty, highly successful hist and run shock tactics and surgical use of overwhelming firepower. Then Mortarian made them mostly just tank damage and march at the enemy in plain sight. He was a shit leader and got way more of his Legion killed than needed to be.

The Iron Warriors apparently keep sustaining high casualties even before meeting the primarch.

I’m crying at your “The Emperor was so impressed with their metaphorical fisting that he called them the Imperial Fists” narrative

Angron - I always wonder what would have happened to Space Spartacus if he wasn’t butchered. With his sense of honour upon refusing to turn on his mentor, I’ll bet loyalist War Dogs would have been a true compliment on the battlefield to the Space Wolves. I do recall somewhere he was an empath, so a combination of Roman aesthetics, Space Wolves savagery, and the Salamanders’ humanity, would have made a solid loyal legion where it not for the nails.

But did any Astartes become _pole dancers_ due to Primarch issues…? Slaneesh wants to know.

Finally! Six days without a video I thought I would have to watch Arch

The whole scenario of “What if they never found Horus?” should be a whole video.

Hearing “Lionel el Johnson punched one of his loyalist sons head off but he did it with love” reminds me of either penn or teller yelling “I LOVE YOU DOG!” At that scared chihuahua

Magnus truly loved his sons, and his sons loved him too. He did everything for them and his sons did everything to save him. In a place of demons and evil, they're the ones who can actually forgive each other and some still retain their honor. The goals of the Thousand Sons are either save their father or legion, almost all their lore and books about them are just their selfless goals, almost none of them sought power for selfish goals or desire, everything was for their legion. Perhaps their love for each other turned them evil, to fight the fate set for your legion will surely break you. Many of the TS, for their love of their father, died reclaiming the shards of Magnus and trying to fix his soul. Amon in his grief and love for his brothers just wanted it all to end, to break the rubric and finally destroy his beloved legion, the thousand sons, so that all of them might finally find rest and peace. Ahriman is fighting fate, doing everything so that none of the remaining TS can be claimed by Chaos. He was horrified seeing them become deamon princes and mutated creatures, seeing these turned love into obsession. He became obsessed and will do anything to prevent this, kinda like the Emperor who will commit horrible atrocities to save mankind. Magnus inherited that obsession from the Emperor, and Ahriman inherited that obsession from Magnus. Truly like father like son.

Hey man can you also do the Lore of the Angel or should I say the Primarch Zero?

"Hugs are great for everyone..." you know, unless you happen to be an eldar child...

Would love to see vids on Black Library characters like Ciaphas Cain, Gaunt, Ventris, Straken, etc. I think you could do them real justice and make some good content out of it. Just my $0.02

Loyalist Primarchs: Happy family Traitor Primarchs: Dysfunctional family

I think one of the most grimdark thing GW can do is have most of the Loyalist Primarchs who are lost found dead or unwilling/unable to return. Preferably if Gulliman found them out himself.

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"But the emperor probably thought it was funny" in regards to the space wolves is the best image I've ever imagined

When the fist messed up Rogal wasn't mad, he was just disappointed.

The level of Hersey in this one is truly strong.

I like how the werewolves and vampires primarchs basically taught them to be better then they were and were given a code of honor

The world eaters would have been better off without the Primark the death guard to

The Lion shall rise again!!

Wasn't angron quite a decent guy before the nails were hamered in his head? As in being well strategically minded and stuff?

What everyone, even the Space Marine Legions were too polite to ask - Majorkill steps up to the plate and does it live. What a man, a pioneer, a legend. Seriously a topic that comes up in my mind on a fairly regular basis, though.

Some Legions absolutely needed their Primarch's. Others like the World Eaters and Death Guard where better off without them.

For the imperial fists no (as nothing much would have changed) but probably improved imperial fist morale as much as a trip to the construction museum

Every day I love and respect my Dad more. At seven, he was my unstoppable juggernaut. A titan of strength. At seventeen, i was a hateful, ungrateful bitch. But now. I'm caring for him. I worry every day when I go to work that, this will be the day. The day I get home and he no longer remembers me. HIs body has wasted and his mind is failing. He had flaws, but he was there. Always offering to help, even when I was too prideful to accept.

Corax: Nevermore. Marine: Brother, our primarch just quoted a literature from over 30k years ago as his final parting word. It's about...ravens. I cringed at that moment but we all kept quiet because we don't wanna ruin the moment.

"Whitout Alpharius there would be no Alpharius, and for his sons that means... an Alpharius" -Alpharius, probably. Maybe Omegon, or maybe you, Alpharius.

11:54 The 11th Legion. For the non Australians that's John Barilaro, who was until very recently a Australian Politician (deputy Premier of NSW). He's the "arsehole" who set the _fixated persons unit_ [a police unit set up to deal with stalkers] on the producer of Friendly Jordes, a RU-vidr and political comedian/journalist who had been giving him grief.

It says a lot about 40k that Guilliman having common sense amounts to a super power.

I still think its a shame how little we have gotten from Jagatai Khan, i think his view about his father and everything is by far the most interesting and i loved reading about his struggle while learning about Magnus´s Fate

No question that Angron, Lorgar, Konrad and Mortarion fucked up their legeions badly.

I know you may be running out of topics to cover, but I have a few : Xenos weapons, Primarch body guards, and maybe terminators ?

The War Hounds were terrifyingly effective under Lhorke's command.

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Without the Primarchs, would we perhaps have gotten the 'Abaddon heresy' instead? The Primarchs were the generals (and more), but without them, there would likely have been Legion commanders, and I'm sure chaos would have tried to corrupt them instead.

They probably would do better without them, all the astartes born on terra had the ideology of the Emperor at heart - some even were displeased when introduced to their gene-fathers.

In the grim dankness of the far future, there is only daddy issues.

17:50 I think it’s all about the Rangdanadingalinglong Xenocide. I think the Emperor foresaw a powerful xenos race ready and able to take over the galaxy once the warp storms cleared and knew that it’d be a race as to who could get there first.

I think the world eaters got a shit deal with angron, initially he threw a temper tantrum and killed a bunch of chapter masters until Kharn brought him around, then angron hammered the nails into his legion, bad deal

I like to imagine we can see MK's "sack" at 1:33(just below the box as he flips up te lid), it's probably something else but the thought is nice

Russ leaving the space wolves was the best thing to ever happen to them

The 19th all the way! Major Kill you're doing a fine job man. The subjects and lore you choose to help educate us with and the way you explain it is really top-notch and inventive. You are no doubt in my opinion one of the best 40K lore channels out there. Also could you make a video on the Tyrant Star and possibly the Deep Warp if that is considered Canon.

"The decapitation came from a place of fatherly love" Well f me if that doesn't sound like an abusive parent.

I’d like to see you talk on all the second hands of the primarchs, like Sigismund, Abbodon, typhon or Erebus, each one had someone but it seems each traitor one has one while the loyalists literally only have a few, I mainly know of those from Rogal and Jagatahi (Rest in peace Yosugi) but that’s because most of them died outside of Bjorn the Fellhanded.

Pretty much all the loyalists benefited from them, nearly all the traitors would have been better off without them (with one or two examples). No idea about the Alpha legion cause Alpharius.

Thanks to your thumbnail, I now cannot unsee Horus as Joe Rogan.

2:42 “The decapitaion came from a place of fatherly love” 😅this is why I love majorkill

0:02 Horus Heresy aka "Daddy Issues 40k" in a nutshell

I've always wondered if the Primarchs were never scattered. Would the Emperor have made the space marines. Just something I've wondered since I seem to recall some times it being said Emps made the space marines from left overs of the project once he lost them

I would boil it down to this: - Without the Primarchs, no Horus heresy. - Without the Primarchs, Human Webway and stagnating Chaos influence. - If instead of making Primarchs Daddy E had concocted gene soups (without all the idiotic flaws), it might not have been flung across the galaxy and he could have then used that to fix and restock the legions, no need for Primarchs to donate their seed. - without the Primarchs leadership by merit and not birth giving them more chances to be effective on their own instead of doing weird shit because their Primarch has a fetish. So yeah, in general I'd say all of the legions would have greatly benefited from not having Primarchs. And so would the rest of the Galaxy.

Corvus went fucking nuts during the drop site massacre killing every traitor he could find

World Eaters: Oh noooo, we AREN'T getting cool brain piercings? well darn, what bummer.

Strategically speaking. The Imperium would have been so much better off having periods of consolidation after each small expansion. You can't just conquer a hundred thousand worlds in 5 minutes(relatively speaking) and expect everything to stay stable. The astartes would have most likely been better off without the primarchs and if the emporer stayed with them a bit longer. He had to fuck off to get the webway sure. But if he hung around a little bit longer until things had settled down a bit, it could have all worked out. I mean without the primarchs chaos would have targeted high ranking generals and such probably, so the heresy would probably still have happened. But the emporer would just mind ass rape any human traitor instantly

I love how you refer to the Iron Cage as "an occasional stuff-up" for Rogal lol.

Maybe not the Space Marines but the Imperium as a whole damn sure do

had to replay that add in .25 speed for that glorious sack action

9:15 I still say that Konrad was actually possessed while in the warp but rather than trying to take control of him the demon mostly just sat back, hid in his soul and influenced him.

God him explaining how he even thought of this is great

Fulgrim was tricked into falling due to simple ignorance of the dangers of Chaos, not out of choice, so I wouldn't blame him for the Legion failing. Even with his pursuit of perfection and promoting of dweebs like Eidelon or sociopaths like Fabioud, it's offset by the likes of Saul Tarvitz and Rylanor also being singled out by Fulgrm for greatness. Given how competent the 3rd Legion was before getting trucked by Slaanesh, I'd argue Fulgrim, the real Fulgrim, not the Daemon possessed twisted one, was far more of a benefit than detriment

Another point for Magnus out of all the gods to fall to I'd say Tzeentch would probably be the best one to fall too. Followed by Slaanesh, with Slaanesh at least you know your gonna have fun.

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There was no alpha legion before Alpharius. Just Alpharius clones that were actually all the real Alpharius because Alpharius cannot be anyone other than Alpharius and Alpharius is Alpharius. So Alpharius is all, all is Alpharius. Allpharius legion.

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"Before Perty, the Iron Warriors were flourishing" Siege of Incaladion: Are you sure about that.

I think it depends on the geneseed and the Primarch. Some of the geneseed created Space Marines, who would've been straight purged. Aka Space Wolf, Thousands Sons, Blood Angel stock. But in some cases, the Astarte would've been normal, if not for the Primarch. Aka Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, World Eaters.

But MajorKill where are all the Bee's... We have more candles in the 40k universe then bolter rounds and Green Skins so where are the Bee's and who keeps them, Is there a keeper of bee's?

The galaxy probably would of been better of if the primearch were not found/created. Chaos getting several primarchs and a defeated emperor is worse for the galaxy than having a smaller empire with the emperor and a few more xeno civilizations.

Majorkill definitely knows more than we credit him for. Fabius Bile incognito?

I'd say Konrad and Angron needed their sons more than they needed him. X)

Angron didn't force the nails. They did it to themselves while he was in some kind of coma

Two words: Dusk Raiders.

im glad we got to see timmy i missed that little shit

Majorkill ya bronze mining noob, with time, you made me believe that the salamanders were really all about hugs and smothering their snickersbar over you while they did it, but it turns out that these mfs are hard as hell. Came to this realization in the novels where Vulkan is being tortured by evil batmana

What a fucking opener, was not prepared for this level of spice

This is the second time you've advertised something while naked and my mom walked in.

Yes, VULCAN does indeed give the BEST HUGS. He'll hug you so hard, he'll break your back, then apologize profusely for it.

This is a fun thought. If the Primarchs had been outright destroyed, instead of scattered... The Uncrowned Princes probably would have died out through their hubris and the Rangdan Xenocides. The Emperor's Children would have gone extinct. The IV Legion would have got on with the Death Korps of Krieg like a house on fire. The Star Hunters would likely have remained a fragmented scouting force. The VI Legion probably would have gone extinct due to unstable gene-seed. The VII Legion probably wouldn't have changed much. The VIII Legion... I don't know, but it probably would have been an improvement. The Revenant Legion would have remained the feared, savage loyalists ideal for hunting and exterminating xenos far from the Imperium's borders. The X Legion... I don't know enough about them to say. The War Hounds would have been a great mirror to the IX. The War-Born were doing quite well without Guilliman, and would have carried on just fine. The Dusk Raiders would have carried on without much problem. The XV Legion would probably have gone extinct from the Flesh-Change. The Luna Wolves would have just carried on as the premiere strike unit of the Great Crusade. The Iconoclasts would have continued kicking ass and destroying the gods. The Dragon Warriors would have likely gone extinct due to stubborn pride. The Dust-Clad would have been the feared overseers used to maintain compliance. The XX Legion would have continued carrying on like the 1950s-era CIA on steroids. Add that to the fact that there can't be a Horus Heresy without Horus, and I'm starting to think that the universe would have imploded due to a shortage of grimdark. And also that during the crusade when the Emperor was looking for his sons, he should have been killing them as he found them in most cases.

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Considering that the legion’s geneseed comes from their primarchs… Yes.

Putting a multimelta grenade on the back of an Emperor's Children marine and putting his resulting efforts to get it off on RU-vid earns me a corruption point.

I mean the first legion pre-Lion were also super hectic on throwing themselves to prove their worth to the emperor and thus sustained very high casualties so The Lion kinda brought some sense into them

Anybody else keep hearing him say Battle Mace and think "that sounds like it needs to be made." Lol

I'm relieved to see Timmy is alive and well.

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Without watching the video, Salamanders 100% needed their dad

The time angron tried to solo kill his own legion 😂.

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“Lorgar has been absent for a long time.” Well if I had a demonic death bird, who also happens to be my brother, right outside my tower looking for nothing but to rip me a new asshole. I would be absent too.