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The UN has stirred controversy over the number of deaths in Gaza published on its website where the toll appears to have been revised down compared to previous reports. We take a closer look at the numbers in this edition of Truth or Fake.
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@nathelondon3719
@nathelondon3719 16 дней назад
How many terrorists have been killed?
@yakinthebox
@yakinthebox 15 дней назад
more than 12k
@taab84
@taab84 15 дней назад
You mean resistance fighters?
@sagelabyrinth8780
@sagelabyrinth8780 15 дней назад
​@@taab84 no, hamas terrorists
@historybuff333
@historybuff333 15 дней назад
​@@yakintheboxwhere do the 12,000 fit in to the numbers ?
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
Less than one ​@@yakinthebox
@gigiizzy5651
@gigiizzy5651 14 дней назад
Even if you add in all the unidentified bodies it still doesn't make up for the previous overinflated death ratio of women and children. As any rational person was saying: It can't be that there are no military aged men in Gaza. Also, using "child" to describe anyone under 19 is dishonest
@SetWillBill
@SetWillBill 11 дней назад
Take note: they said unidentified bodies in the rubble. How did they know the bodies are even there in the first place? Can anyone see the deceptive nature of such a report? Agree, UN is utterly dishonest at best, and highly deceptive at worst. World peace cannot possibly be achieved through such a group of people in the UN.
@davidgoh681
@davidgoh681 15 дней назад
From the very beginning of the war you can see the UN starting from it’s Secretary General behaving in a way that we sensed that it was not fair to Israel.
@Kryssyskingdom
@Kryssyskingdom 15 дней назад
UN was caught on video helping Hamas but oddly not on this channel
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
Not fair for Palestininans since 76 years....not fair for I word is just actually very fair...
@redeyexxx1841
@redeyexxx1841 14 дней назад
​@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 not fair for Jews since Muzlims stole their ancestral homelands
@SetWillBill
@SetWillBill 11 дней назад
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 The fact is Palestinians seek the annihilation of Israel right from 1948. If you are Israel what would you do? 1. Do you know the Arabs make up 20% of the population in Israel? They are of the same ethnicity as the Palestinians. 2. These Arab citizens of Israel have the same voting right as any other citizen (Israel is the only Democracy in the Middle East). 3. These Arab citizens can hold any jobs they chose and even any position in the government. F00ls are f00ls because they had been f00led! F00ls are ignorance and that is why they can be f00led!
@NafGGMU
@NafGGMU 11 дней назад
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 Jordan is their home, over 80% of the land when to them, so they are actually mad at the wrong ppl...as for the other 20%, it includes G@za and WB which Egpyt/Jordan respectively took till the 60s but even they didnt want to create the so called "Pale state", but you did not complain. then ISR took back those lands which should been theirs as per the 48 agreement, which was agreed by U N back then..whats unfair is there are ppl in that region who r sowing hatred towards a minority group, backed by the current fascist U N and the ppl caught in the middle are the g@zans.....finally we have ppl like u who dont accept certainly historical truth, follow other blind ppl, thus dragging this bs for another 70years...
@robertskolimowski7049
@robertskolimowski7049 16 дней назад
Funny how ppl don't watch full videos, but comment as though they did🤦‍♂️
@ChrisTaylor-ox5sf
@ChrisTaylor-ox5sf 14 дней назад
The 10 thousand unidentified or under rubble is a non exact figure. How do you know how many people are under the rubble and are they all the unidentified. Any death in war is terrible, dreadful and a waste of human life but this is a war started by Hamas and as the Hamas leaders live safely in other countries, why didn’t those countries open their doors to protect innocent life.
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
Started by Istael.....not hmas.....you are just bised as you have a calneder that doesn't go past oct 7tg
@guyogr
@guyogr 14 дней назад
Are you trying to explain to me what is written so plain and bright? Half of the numbers of children and women has been reduced, end of story
@nancyparker9137
@nancyparker9137 11 дней назад
who is doing the counting
@user-iq2wv6lu6i
@user-iq2wv6lu6i 15 дней назад
So, they just add that 10,000 are missing🙄then they add 79,061 are injured 🤔
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
So where di they go....oh I get it...Isr prison...where numerous others are also captured
@domi69ify
@domi69ify 14 дней назад
No, they just dont want to say they were lying about the numbers and are either ignoring men in the total or thought nobody would realize they gave false information and statistics.
@Jouantiese
@Jouantiese 12 дней назад
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 Back into the Hamas-inspired imaginary black hole, from whence they came..
@moderneyeproductions8125
@moderneyeproductions8125 16 дней назад
The point is that that Hamas run health ministry drastically exaggerated the number of women and children killed. Even if every one of those “unidentified or missing” bodies were all woman and children they still wouldn’t reach the prior numbers the U.N put out. And there is no doubt many of the unidentified bodies are Men. If we go off of the current ratio of men to women/children, it is nearly 1:1. That’s why this is important. This news story is what’s fake
@JMAN97712
@JMAN97712 16 дней назад
Exactly. I’m shocked there actually doing the right thing
@user-zc4yd9ss7h
@user-zc4yd9ss7h 16 дней назад
You are stating opinion as fact. You claim that the health ministry 'drastically exaggerated...' but offer ZERO evidence for this.
@marioreds7826
@marioreds7826 16 дней назад
What you are saying if false, that's not what they said. All they said is that the UN has moved the unidentified corps into its own category. But the number of children and women hasn't been changed. The thing is, if you have a small body it's of course a child, but some children were so disfigured that they couldn't be identified: the UN has moved these into the "unidentified" category. Neither the number of death nor the "type" (men, women, children) has changed.
@moderneyeproductions8125
@moderneyeproductions8125 15 дней назад
@@user-zc4yd9ss7hthey did drastically exaggerate the numbers. The UN was going off numbers they were given by the Hamas led health ministry. when faced with actually having to confirm those numbers, the UN had to drastically reduce the number of confirmed dead. In this day and age you can’t just fake those kind of numbers forever
@puckbucky.5545
@puckbucky.5545 14 дней назад
They weren’t fake!! How you guys dont understand simple english…. The first picture was from the GNO identification, it was “what was said”. The second picture is till now the real identified bodies by the UN! And there are still missing a looot of bodies!!
@stephanrubben7367
@stephanrubben7367 9 дней назад
How can you tell how many people are in the rubble but not knowing if it are women and children? She tries even to add the 10.000 missing people on the 34.000? How much houses were demolished from Hamas rockets? How many where killed just because Hamas forced them not to follow eviction orders?
@bostonbruinsfanboy
@bostonbruinsfanboy 4 дня назад
Terrorist lying? You don't say....
@bostonbruinsfanboy
@bostonbruinsfanboy 4 дня назад
And yes I did watch the video. What likely happened is the UN Caught the lie and tries to be political. I mean, how do you count people missing....
@enibitri3822
@enibitri3822 16 дней назад
UN said that the revised number is 24 k are identified people and 10k unidentified
@adz951
@adz951 16 дней назад
And a further 10k missing, likely under rubble
@davidstrelec2000
@davidstrelec2000 16 дней назад
@@adz951 So actually 44,000 Palestinians were massacred by iof
@adz951
@adz951 16 дней назад
@@davidstrelec2000 At the very least
@user-ch5xq3lt9k
@user-ch5xq3lt9k 16 дней назад
Identified by hamas
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
Yes. But seems somme people play dumb or did not watch the video with the explanations
@manjunathae3524
@manjunathae3524 16 дней назад
Are you a spoken person to Hamas .As for you Hamas is the arbitrary truth.
@philovance1940
@philovance1940 12 дней назад
Is anyone surprised?
@happykitten5695
@happykitten5695 16 дней назад
Peace and LOVE for ONE and ALL
@thiphan264
@thiphan264 9 дней назад
UN Security Council observe a minute of silence in the remembrance of the loss of the President of Iran, a mass murder of his own people.
@pio3borelos683
@pio3borelos683 14 дней назад
What a stupidity: if in Gaza are mostly woman and children why Israel need tanks to go in? Thinking is sooo important.
@NadiraMohamed-vt6us
@NadiraMohamed-vt6us 16 дней назад
What's is the different They're not a number they're human 😢😢😢
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
Watch the entire video. They are explaining that the nb were not modifyied. 25 000 identifyed 35 000 including corpses not identifyed 45 000 including the missing people still in the rubbles. 🤷‍♀️ In fact there are probably more dead than the 35 000 quoted.
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
Based on comments, people havent watch the video 🤷‍♀️ Some people dont know how to read graphics and charts.🤦‍♀️ The nb were not "modified". It is the nb of identified dead people, not identified (ex:bodies damaged by explosion) and missing people (probably under rubbles). Btw if Israël was not blocking journalists and UN officials from entering we wont need a video to explain how to tead graphs 🤦‍♀️ And it is normal to have corpses not identified as they are damaged by explosions, rubles, etc.
@yakinthebox
@yakinthebox 15 дней назад
Because its the hardest war in history? and dramatically decreases the claim of "Genocide"
@wjumeau
@wjumeau 15 дней назад
The things that were done on the 7th weren’t very human. One day of dancing in the streets on the 7th for 221 days of crying for a ceasefire that they broke. Classic victim card playing.
@Ella795
@Ella795 15 дней назад
Apparently it masters to the Pro-Palestine. They tend to decide which side is the "oppressor" based on who has more death on their side... the 1200 Israelis were humans too
@shahnazstrishaikh
@shahnazstrishaikh 16 дней назад
Thank you for explaining this. Canadian and US mainstream media is already making deceptive headlines out of these numbers 🙄.
@taab84
@taab84 15 дней назад
Their is 3 channels that belong to the same guy who are making deceptive statement, skynews, fox news and CNN
@Jouantiese
@Jouantiese 12 дней назад
Over 10 000 ' women and children casualties ' were reclassed as ' unidentified ' : to be be clear, that does NOT mean 10 000 physically unidentified bodies lie in morgues - rather that based on certain ' reliable sources ', 10 000 more casualties are estimated...in other words, pure Islamist propaganda.
@stratcom0
@stratcom0 12 дней назад
The May 6th figures shows "> 9500 women" and "> 14,500 children". Then the May 8th figures show "4,959 women" and "7,797 children". > 9,500 + > 14,500 = > 24,000 total women and children. 4,959 + 7,797 = 12,756 > 24,000 - 12,756 = > 11,244 34,844 total - 24,686 identified = 10,158 unidentified. Even if all the unidentified bodies were women & children, the previous count was still 1,086 too high. There aren't enough unidentified bodies (even 2 days later, with a higher total) to account for the numbers removed from the women & children subtotals. And it is completely unreasonable to assume that all of the unidentified bodies are women and children.
@ThetopDjMarc
@ThetopDjMarc 16 дней назад
For peace UN should include in the report the number of child soldiers recruited to fight for Hamas
@marioreds7826
@marioreds7826 16 дней назад
you people are sick and brainwashed.
@Kryssyskingdom
@Kryssyskingdom 15 дней назад
How about the video proving UN is physically helping Hamas soldiers
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
How about the videoof how i- side actually colonised the land...that'll explain that the h is actually resistance for liberation from the par theid....
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
​@@Kryssyskingdom as they should
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
Well could anyone blame them....when you have been living under the 'a -word ending with d'..... You do what you have to do and liberate yourselves
@davinxi5926
@davinxi5926 15 дней назад
How many ? That doesn’t make sense
@satiricgames2129
@satiricgames2129 12 дней назад
What a suprise un and hamas lies
@noelwalterso2
@noelwalterso2 10 дней назад
Did you actually watch the video?
@bostonbruinsfanboy
@bostonbruinsfanboy 4 дня назад
They still lied. Its just word play​@@noelwalterso2
@davinxi5926
@davinxi5926 15 дней назад
3:59 ???
@laibaarshad9323
@laibaarshad9323 8 дней назад
It says that the percentage of deaths were "recalculated" it could be either they recast the old ratio of 34k deaths to reflect in the identified ones OR it could be recount of deaths of women and children that are actually identified
@stuartinlodz
@stuartinlodz 16 дней назад
the death toll is horrific but the proportion of combatents to non combatents does matter because a higher ratio of women and children killed amplifies the idea that the IDF are being indisciminate in their attacks
@adamredwine774
@adamredwine774 16 дней назад
Even if you believe the numbers from Hamas without any critical thought (as you seem to), the civilian to fighter death ratio in Gaza is a fraction of similar rates in other modern conflicts.
@abigailkannai484
@abigailkannai484 15 дней назад
Even with the previous numbers, the ratio of civillians was lower than during the tskeover of Mosul in 2017
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
​​@@adamredwine774the critical thought is applied when the numbers HAVEN'T checked out in the past....but actually they HAVE BEEN CHECKED OUT IN THE PAST....guess you don't know how journalism works...but no it isn't...it not the fraction of similar confilcts in the past rather it's far higher than that....the ratio is 1:100....and that's i-word's own data..
@adamredwine774
@adamredwine774 14 дней назад
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂 Wow you are crazy. No, 100 to 1 is an absolutely absurd claim.
@domi69ify
@domi69ify 14 дней назад
@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 Wow!! You think only 350 Hamas fighters have been killed while the other 35000 are civilians? Talk about being horribly misinformed…
@jaegybomb
@jaegybomb 16 дней назад
Even if you estimate 50% more dead than confirmed that doesn't get you from 7k teenager children to 15k. The numbers make it look like they were exaggerating by 50% instead of 100%.
@guy0116
@guy0116 9 дней назад
No you're not mathing right. They're claiming a 50% reduction. You're looking at it as the opposite, but the opposite of a 50% reduction is a 100% increase.
@jaegybomb
@jaegybomb 9 дней назад
@@guy0116 There are 24k confirmed total and 34k estimated. That's not double.
@guy0116
@guy0116 8 дней назад
@jaegybomb 24,000 was the number of women and children reported as dead. That has since been revised for both women (reducing from 9,500 to 4,959, a roughly 50% decrease) and children (reducing from 14,500 to 7,797, a roughly 50% decrease). The overall number of deaths isn't what was reported to have been halved, it's the number of women and children that died. The 7500 is indeed a 50% reduction relative to 15,000. If you talk about the opposite, moving from 7500 to 15000, would be a 100% increase, that's the point I was clarifying initially.
@jaegybomb
@jaegybomb 8 дней назад
@guy0116 No, 24k is total men and women confirmed killed. 15k is total women and children speculated killed. 24k to 34k is the base speculation rate for total. 7k to 15k is the exaggerated speculation rate for women and children.
@hamishmmc
@hamishmmc 16 дней назад
No one is saying what they are saying is being said. people are pointing out the 70% or 2/3 women and children ratio is wildly innacurate.
@marioreds7826
@marioreds7826 16 дней назад
no, that's not what they said. what they said is that some body are unidentified. meaning there's some thousands of people for whom they don't have a name.
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
Based on comments, people havent watch the video 🤷‍♀️!! Btw if Israël was not blocking journalists and UN officials from entering we wont need a video to explain how to tead graphs 🤦‍♀️
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
​@@TheGrandy123exactly..thank you
@afshanfatima5104
@afshanfatima5104 16 дней назад
Do numbers matter? Really this is so grusome. Even 1 human death is not acceptable
@koloni2862
@koloni2862 16 дней назад
It’s a war..u think it’s pretty
@aktlr-qf2vt
@aktlr-qf2vt 16 дней назад
Yes but your Hamas lying about numbers matter , there is no genocide 🎉
@adz951
@adz951 16 дней назад
They do matter, because it shows you the sheer scale of this barbaric operation.
@user-ch5xq3lt9k
@user-ch5xq3lt9k 16 дней назад
@@adz951 This could be worse
@adz951
@adz951 16 дней назад
@@user-ch5xq3lt9k No disagreement there
@alexanderdantonio8999
@alexanderdantonio8999 16 дней назад
The UN and world health org has to be remade into something that can actually work instead of gaslighting the free world.
@johnd2058
@johnd2058 16 дней назад
I'll take them over Fox or Tel Aviv, especially since they're making the identified-versus-unidentified differentiation. This puts them ahead of the Gaza health ministry, whose *weekly, overall* body counts have always been proven true in time. Note that the 10k unidentified figure accords nicely with IDF estimated EKIA.
@marioreds7826
@marioreds7826 16 дней назад
here is another one who only read the title and didn't bother listening to the actual news.
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
Based on comments, people havent watch the video 🤷‍♀️ Some people dont know how to read graphics and charts.🤦‍♀️ The nb were not "modified". It is the nb of identified dead people, not identified (ex:bodies damaged by explosion) and missing people (probably under rubbles). Btw if Israël was not blocking journalists and UN officials from entering we wont need a video to explain how to tead graphs 🤦‍♀️ And it is normal to have corpses not identified as they are damaged by explosions, rubles, etc.
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
​@@marioreds7826i agree 🤷‍♀️
@Kryssyskingdom
@Kryssyskingdom 15 дней назад
No they need to be abolished... Along WEF and the IMF
@fultoneth9869
@fultoneth9869 16 дней назад
The Hamas wing UN 😅
@bettybella2417
@bettybella2417 16 дней назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@FireStart2023
@FireStart2023 16 дней назад
The UN kisses Hamas big red white and green bottom😅😂😅
@Kryssyskingdom
@Kryssyskingdom 15 дней назад
All on video, but not on this channel...They don't show any of the truth...
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
And the US does the same with the i-word..... INCLUDING YOU TWO........THE funny THING IS UN's right this time around
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
And the us and you two do that with the 'a-word end with d' i-word.... Funny thing is un is right this time around
@ArenAurelius
@ArenAurelius 16 дней назад
Reminds me of the Chinese Spy Blimps story.
@TheMidnightBlue_369
@TheMidnightBlue_369 16 дней назад
What happen to the UN official who said it himself that they had cut the children and women death numbers by about half...?
@hamdigreat4524
@hamdigreat4524 16 дней назад
He didn't say that the journalist that asked the question made that claim
@TheGrandy123
@TheGrandy123 16 дней назад
1/ he should be identified 2/ either he is stupid for not being able to read charts and saying BS, or he lied to please Israël and should be sanctionned
@brianferguson7840
@brianferguson7840 16 дней назад
​@TheGrandy123 Listen ! I will type this slowly for you. IT. DIDN'T. HAPPEN. IT. WAS. FALSELY. REPORTED........ IT. WAS A. LIE. got it yet ?
@stratcom0
@stratcom0 12 дней назад
​@@TheGrandy123 Take another look at the charts yourself. The May 6th figures shows "> 9500 women" and "> 14,500 children". Then the May 8th figures show "4,959 women" and "7,797 children". > 9,500 + > 14,500 = > 24,000 total women and children (May 6th) 4,959 + 7,797 = 12,756 (May 8th) > 24,000 - 12,756 = > 11,244 reduction of women and children casualties (between May 6th and 8th). 34,844 total - 24,686 identified = 10,158 unidentified (May 8th) Even if all the unidentified casualties were women & children, the previous count was still 1,086 too high. There aren't enough unidentified (even 2 days later, with a higher total) to account for the numbers removed from the women & children subtotals. And it is completely unreasonable to assume that all of the unidentified bodies are women and children. It is also unreasonable to believe that when someone lied about the subtotals - for 7 months - and finally adjusted them, that there isn't a commensurate adjustment to the total.
@isaacfetllwork
@isaacfetllwork 15 дней назад
How did the UN counted them if they did not identified them ? Gaza is a small city, everybody knows everybody, if a person is missing it is very easy to identify them them, specially for UN. Isn't it suspicious an agency as big as UN has two sets of death toll count in gaza ? one for those who are identified and one for those unidentified.
@laibaarshad9323
@laibaarshad9323 8 дней назад
Gaza is not a small city it has 2 million population
@laibaarshad9323
@laibaarshad9323 8 дней назад
And unidentified means that those corpses of people can not be identified but they are daed
@alanwu7297
@alanwu7297 16 дней назад
Wait so 10,000 deaths are unidentifiable. Why would you report them as deaths if you cannot even identify them?
@garydare2238
@garydare2238 16 дней назад
A corpse, unidentified, is still dead
@Tejaye777
@Tejaye777 16 дней назад
It means that the body might be so badly desecrated that an ID of the individual who died cannot be made so they don't put them as part of people they positively claim is let say John Doe. So it's left out of the identified category.
@JamesC785
@JamesC785 16 дней назад
Have you ever seen someone who's been crushed by a tank, a building or blown into tiny little pieces ? That's an unidentifiable body.... The graphic also mentions an additional 10,000 people reported as missing - probably buried under the rubble.
@rezrunnercl
@rezrunnercl 16 дней назад
Because they are Palestinian, AND THEY ARE DEAD. IT'S SURE NOT DEAD ISRAELI BODIES, RIGHT? IF THESE WERE WHITISH BODIES WE WOULD NEVER STOP HEARING ABOUT TERRORISTS who killed them. They'd count each one twice because white bodies matter more to Zionists. Who do you think they belong to? It's hard to identify people on the move. Should they check in at the blown up ministry of death? I wonder if they counted the mass graves where the "nice IDF soldiers" buried people alive."? Who are the REAL TERRORISTS? (I bet there has been a massive undercount. That's what history will say. Israelis hide all their sins.)
@Tejaye777
@Tejaye777 16 дней назад
​@@JamesC785 Exactly!!!! Those 10k aren't included in the total of 35k they mentioned. 10k can be identified in 35k and anther 10k are missing people.
@Metonymy1979
@Metonymy1979 16 дней назад
They really screwed that up
@jg4355
@jg4355 16 дней назад
You are aware that women and teenagers can be soldiers too... or are you just a misogynistic bunch?
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
So those music festival people were soldiers too I guess..then why you trippin
@laibaarshad9323
@laibaarshad9323 8 дней назад
​@@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 most of the adults even go to military training so if that military is commiting genocide ain't that make all Israelites terrorist
@azurebadger
@azurebadger 16 дней назад
Did the UN report how many of them were ‘martyrs’ because hamas uses them as shields? You’d think so
@kekennedy
@kekennedy 16 дней назад
The other way around and it's been documented stop 🇵🇸♥️🇵🇸
@azurebadger
@azurebadger 16 дней назад
@@kekennedy liar. You’d say it yourself if your religion included a concern for the truth. It never has. I watch your news. I know what you teach your children. You’re a liar. Period
@drapedblack7517
@drapedblack7517 16 дней назад
Hamas considers all of them martyrs, that's what always bothers me about their statements. I think most people don't realize Hamas is not some Palestinian freedom movement but actually originated from the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood, a religiously motivated terrorist organization.
@JMAN97712
@JMAN97712 16 дней назад
@@kekennedyit’s been documented that they have been
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621
@sabdulrahmanshaikh1621 14 дней назад
​@@drapedblack7517nope....it was funded by the i-word..... Secondly wether it was religously motivated or politically...it doesn't matter...because there's no innconet i-word....all of them serve in the millitary
@SocialCrusader007
@SocialCrusader007 16 дней назад
You're talking gibberish.
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