Don't forget our Facebook! / sacredcowshipyards And, honestly, don't get me wrong. I do love me some Stargate SG1. But after having watched a lot of it over the past few months, that gate room REALLY pisses me off.
In my SGC role play game we immediately set to redesign the situation. Using lots of tech the SGC had gained at this point. We took a spare gate control device off of a barren world. Got rid of all the computers replaced them with a bunker with "arrow slits" Multiple auto weapons on turrets. Walls had pull out cover plates. A hammer of Thor with a separation chamber for captured goauld. Several other stuff was done too.
All of which would be almost unnecessary if they just started routing all returning traffic through a few "safe" uninhabited world's and limiting the team members able to identify the SGC's home address.
IMO, a computer is/can be much more secure than a generic DHD with no authorization requirements. But either way, yeah, the gate room was not designed to be a gate room.
@@LibertyMonk Yeah I agree with you on that but the speed of the DHD and error mitigation outweighed the change over (the comps were in storage just in case lol). our in universe reasons for changing stuff came about from us being big fans of the various seasons and shows but it always came back to stupid decisions that were never rectified (for plot reasons). So 'we' read the base reports and submitted ideas to the committee. Best result of everything was that we became more like a Xcom galaxy wide operation to stop various alien and human threats. Puddle jumpers to infiltrate location, space ship battles, retrieving lost alien tech on earth etc.
@@Docktavion DHDs are inherently risky honestly, and I'm not sure it's worth it having one around as the only means of anything. You can't really easily disconnect it if something happens, and if it fucks your coordinate system, well, again, you're fucked. Furthermore, computer interfaces can do way more, like the Icarus rendition - they could literally enter a symbol that wasn't, that couldn't have been, on the DHD, because it was written with more knowledge of the network. Depending on whether a DHD is what gets infected during correlative update attacks, or if it just acts as the relay that corrupts the gate's internal coordinate computing, it might even be unsafe to keep a DHD around at all. And I know it's a niche, but if all you're giving up for way better security is some dialing speed, is it really that painful a trade? This is especially true by the in-universe time of SGU, because by then we have the computational power to anywhere from match to completely eclipse DHDs, and similarly the power source function becomes laughable in terms of importance, all combined with sufficient expertise in Ancient software to press buttons that only exist within the software.
To be frank, from an in-universe perspective they had to work with what they got. - The gate room used to be a nuclear silo built inside a mountain of solid rock. Not exactly easy to dig through. - They were initially fully unaware of the dangers of the galaxy until the mission to Abydos (the movie), so defensive planning was an afterthought. - The Iris shield gave SGC a massive cheat code for preventing any attacks through the gate (except the few times when it didnt), in fact, the Goa'uld even gave up coming in with force at some point and switched to subertfuge and infilitration instead. (The Iris is its own can of worms) - For the longest time, Senator Kinsey was in charge of budgeting the SGC, even though he wasnt initially fully aware of its extent, and the man was a notoirous bean counter and all an all a bureaucratic asshole (not to mention his massive ego and ambitions). Id bet my ass that after the first attack by those shapeshifting aliens, Gen.Hammond immediatly requested extra budget to improve SGCs defenses and was slammed down by Kinsey who probably didnt even read the report. - All the issue above gave the staff a very strong "if it aint broke, dont fix it" mentality. I mean, this doesnt change the fact that the entire gate room was badly designed, but it does put things into perspective. ^^
Lore wise yes, but lets be honest for a long running syndicated tv show ran on a budget, those were some damn good rooms Also it makes sense for the primary debriefing room to be where it is, cause who doesn't like watching the gate run. Same for the primary control room, but its issue is that its also the only control room, whereas there should be a more fortified battle control room in case of siege/assault. There is no need to fortify against exploding stargate, thanks to ancient alien techno magic no amount of fortification would be sufficient, only running (high speed escape pod train) helps in order to take advantage of the [exploding force]/r^3 or /r^2 drop off.
too be fair the shapeshifting aliens report was so high clasified that nobody could read it came but with mitchell. where they told him thathecant not read all reports of sg-1
Even then, just moving the ramp away from the gate would give them an massive advantage in any invasion. Imagine every attacker dropping on his face when stepping through. It would have been like shotting fish in a barrel for the defending troops.
I mean like yeah, but I think a very important and continuing issue is that for some unknown reason. Unscheduled off world activation, didn't include shutting the darn blast doors. Like we've got alarms and lights and fancy announcements, but no don't close the blast doors. Especially after the arrow, or the staff blasts or any other number of issues.
@@secrecy2744 Good point, just lower the ramp down and if you need to get our people through raise it again. Also in an emergency retreat, falling on our side of the gate isn't all that bad.
I always thought that the biggest hand-wave in the series was the iris. Just looking at it, you can tell that there is no way that it could fit within the gate with all the gate mechanics. And USAF techs were able to fit it in there without breaking anything? And they did this in just a day or two?
I was 10 when I first found this show in 2005, and even kid me thought it was weird they didn't even put a machine gun nest or 4 in the walls facing the gate. All the guards are just standing in the open like morons most of the time.
1) The wormhole does not _always_ take a full butt-ton of energy. The show gets cagey about never supplying any hard numbers but we see it take as little as one lightning bolt or a few Deuce and half 6 wheelers charge a gate up for shorter trips. 2) The plate glass in the control room is like the bullet resistant glass in a bank, that arrow is just supposed to superexreagreat... And presumably shot out of a Roman torsion catapult or something. 3) Yeah. There's 99 obvious attack strategies and countermeasures nobody who's been using these gates for 20,000 years has ever thought of. It's unfortunate the basic premise requires us to ignore this to have a show... 4) Yup. That base should make Groom Lake look as secure as Disneyland. Considering the body snatching nature of the Goa'uld nobody going through the gate should know anything about anything regarding the facility controlling it and access to it, right up to being blindfolded and taken from what amounts to a cell-block they're kept in while on base to the gate and back. The location of that base being a closer guarded secret than where Dick Chenny hides the orphans he's going to eat. 5) SGU isn't unwatchable it just jerks the audience too far too fast from the previous entries style, tone and cast. Half the weekly speaking roles in SGA were characters introduced up to years previously in SG1 and the pilot for SGA alone had more cameos from SG1 characters than both seasons of SGU. If we'd seen a lot of the rank and file from SGU introduced as background characters in the other series, maybe seeing part of the backstory fleshed out in SGU then there would've been a hell of a lot of less hate from fans imo.
@@DIEGhostfish Sure, because there wasn't a single core character you had _any_ previous investment in whatsoever not even as a background player. Therefore the only category you can easily fit it into is the same as the parody episode composed of entirely different characters like "Wormhole Xtreme" or same characters in wildly different tone and style. You're literally just pointing out it's so different that the only comparably different episode is the one where they went for the comically different. Like many you conflate that common difference to be a direct similarity that simply isn't there. Sadly it's probably in large part due to the producers habit of recasting the same background actors in different roles across the series that they forgot they weren't providing a path for the audience to transfer their longstanding invested interest across to the new story. Longstanding investment in series that were far too similar and with far too many crossovers to ignore the significance of. SGA literally had more SG1 characters in it's pilot than a dozen or more actual eps of SG1 had. There were more full-time characters that crossed over from SG1 to SGA from day one than SGU had in two seasons of _guest spots._ It's impossible to overstate how much of an impact it would've had for your viewing experience if say Chloe's dad had been worked into later seasons of SG1/SGA as a less evil version of the foil Sen Kinsey had served as. If Lt Scott and Sgt Greer were peppered into the background as new personnel awed and dealing with the adjustment to finding out what's going on.... Seeing Col Young and Telford passing through if only for briefings and maybe seeing events from them falling out in their backstory. I can't really blame you for not accepting how big an entire universe is or not caring for a radical departure without any really attempt by the creators to draw you over but really it wouldn't have taken nearly as much as you'd think to do it.
@Druid of Scosglen Trinium was mentioned pretty often after it's introduction. It was used in the Prometheus; the news lady when it was hijacked had a sample of it. They started using it in the SG teams armor piercing rounds early on and that helped explain why Jaffe dropped like flies after that. They upgraded the iris with it too. The Asgards prototype O'Niell cruiser even used an alloy if it and neutronium and the Tollen depended on it for their phase shifting tech. Stargate has always been extremely good at showing their work when it comes to where their tech went. Ok, SGU definitely made some changes that would've always been a sticking point for some but imo most of them still would've watched and gotten into it IF we'd seen a lot of recognizable characters. Cols Young and Telford could've rotated through the SGC in the background and shown their falling out in passing if not getting the details until SGU. Seeing Jackson giving some if those orientation briefings in person, including to faces we'd later see in SGA and SGU, before taping them as the program gets too big for that to be practical. The producers really underestimated how many hooks into prior seasons they needed to bring the fans along. No argument there.
Let's not forget 2 things the show was made in Canada (the same people who brought bicycles to Normandy) and Hollywierds idea of having a military advisor is shooting in the same state that happens to have a veteran living in it.
They should not even send their teams directly to planets and back at all. There are uninhabited planets with stargates. They even build bases on those planets. The Earth stargate should only connect to these bases and then the teams should be send out from there. Whatever bad can come back through the gate will only come back to those bases and not Earth.
Yeah, they had Alpha sites almost from the second season onward. I always wondered watching it why they didnt relocate major operations to one of these( or more), especially after all the close calls on world ending phenomena and technology they kept bringing back. Hell, set up 2 or 3 sites, and then you could have 2 acting as expedition and exploration launch points, and the third as a hub for resupply and retreat, that is also the default connection to Earth proper, with the SGC being just the, well, command center. With the help on the Tok'ra, what with their 'base-in-a-box' tech, they could have done it quick and easy, and like the Tok'ra, could also have been relatively mobile. I know the meta reason was budget, but you could just move around some plants and repaint some things to make the same sets 'new' locations. Which they did a lot anyway.
To be fair, if a Jaffa in a needle threading death glider came in and wrecked the gate room with a naquada explosion that'd pretty much bury the gate and prevent any further invasion force from using the gate.
Considering the US defense budget. They definitely could have requisition emough funds to build thier own wing to Cheyenne mountain. Especially after season 01. Just bad case of shoestring show budgeting / bad writing.
@@skepticalmagos_101 Building an entire additional underground complex is going to seriously compromise the security and secrecy of the SGC. The Silo was also used several times in the show to lift things up or down from or to the stargate, so that additional wing would have needed to function like an ICBM silo with direct surface access too. That would have been an enourmous waste of money, and a genuine example of bad writing At the beginning of SGU, the SGC is stationed on the moon, which is far better.
@@ravenknight4876 Uhhh. Where did you read that the SGC was on the moon at the beginning of SGU? Cause that was definitely the Cheyanne Mountain Complex in Stargate Universe.
On the defense of the arrow, it was a special arrow with what amounted to the greatest armor piercing head ever made. On the other hand, by the time any one realized there was a threat that might warrant dropping the blast doors to protect the briefing and control rooms, Oniell already had an arrow through his arm. Which demonstrates that a surprise strike could get lucky and blow up the entire command and control center before any one has time to react.
You have to remember that this is a Psy-op! It's *supposed* to make the SGC look incompetent and easy to take over and their agents like bumbling fools that solve problems with nothing but dumb luck and charisma!
Besides the sensible defensive measures, what was needed was *a nice long tunnel* leading to it (with multiple blast doors, autoguns, cannons aimed down the tunnel, a *dropping block* to crush everything ect, _before_ you get to the loading docks), so you could drive a M1 Abrams Tank through the Stargate - *it will fit.* The Templin Institute did the maths _(they overlaid a to scale drawing of a Abrams over the Stargate iris and went "oh $hit")_ and it even had room to spare! That means that _a lot_ of US military equipment could fit through, if it can be carried in a C-17 transport plane it should fit through the Stargate, and the length is not even a issue anymore, only the height and width [could a ballistic missile?] A lot of US military logistics is already built around those dimensions, the stuff is sitting in warehouses waiting to be used. It would not cost a lot as it's off the shelf, unlike a lot of the SGC's equipment. No mysterious budget items needed to hide the development of specialised Area 51 tech, just requisition regular inventory for a "training exercise" or its falsely listed as still in storage. That way the SGC can build a real presence on the other side, they could look through a marine expeditionary equipment catalogue and go shopping … _"Why not a fast attack vehicle, the APC may be a bit much"._ "The APC does come with AA guns and stingers". _"Good point - Hey, this Helo could fit through with its rotors folded!" [holds up picture of Cobra attack helicopter]._ And if they get the naquadah refit working on a Abrams, no fuel range supply issues …? But really just the logistics and transport vehicles would be incredibly useful in exploring a planet, set up a FOB near the Gate and then have utility helicopters scout around. As for the SGC, one other modification, have the Stargate mounted on a gymbal arm, so it can have it's position changed. Alien invasion - drop it face down so they are firing into the Earth (or face up if they are firing a doomsday beam weapon). And here's the nasty part, can a ballistic missile fit? Well mount the Gate above it facing down, so the missile goes through the Gate (at a slight angle so it will be banking up skywards as it exits) and then it continues on the other side to hit it's final target, either designated locally or with some careful preprogramming that took the Wormhole into account (if say… using a nuke on a grounded mothership). And if that's too complicated, keep the Gate fixed and just work out some way to hide using a bunch of cruise missiles, from accounting.
To be fair to the blast doors covering the windows for the Control and Briefing rooms, it's actually one big door that slides down to cover both, hence how both can be covered with seemingly no real space to two doors.
You can't dial a stargate that is being used at the moment, right? Simple defensive solution: Once you know some "safe" empty worlds already, just keep dialing them all the time, so you almost always have an active connection, disabling any inbound dialing, except for times you yourself want to go somewhere else.
Technically you can't shoot through an incoming wormhole to the other side because the wormhole is ONE WAY. So those guns and the rockets would just explode in the ROOM.
Not gona lie when watching stargate I was amusing myself by inventing ways to violently murder anything that comes out of the stargate. Seriously this is the most perfect chokepoint in the universe and they did this. Also they should just ask germans for all that leftover cyclon-b and mustard gass from last 2 world wars, and send it to more annoing goa'uld plnets. And there are so many amazing ways to weaponise the gates, mount one in front of your starship and another in front of biggest laser battery ever created, powered by whole God damn USA power grid, and here it is, cheap and afordable death star without this whole spaceball part that has tendency to explode in most inconvinient moments.
This honestly feels moreso like a lack of budget aforded to the SGC than anything else, and possibly being limited to a small part of the cheyane mountain complex because of it. They could, at least. Have not had windows looking into the gate room, and instead just have thick concrete walls and cameras to do the same job. That, seems possible assuming a similar budget allowance to the SGC, and assuming they could not expand the area they were allotted in any way. Plus moving the 50 cals further back, alll the way back to give them the most distance. And add some freaking sandbags or concrete barricades near the back wall for dudes to hide behind! Bare minimum protections, would at least improve the defensive capabilities. If space was able to be allotted to the SGC? Turn the existing control room and conference room into concrete bunkers, stick even more 50 cals in em. Have no dudes in the gate room itself, and have all troops equipped with NBC gear in the new bunkers. Cue chemical warfare, which would be sure to make whoever is on the other side think twice about keeping their gate open as literally tonnes of mustard gas, agent orange, or any other nasty stuff we can think up just pours out their end. Make Venus look positively habitable by comparison. Also ideally have at least a 90 degree turn from the gate before you can hit any of the defences, even if the gate itself is only slightly off of the main death corridor. So even if you were shooting everything you had through the gate, you would likely only collapse the concrete in on your approach. Cue continued chemical warfare despite you not being able to press forwards from rubble.
A few things which I always found annoying with the show; 1. The ramp is just pure metal grid. The amount of times SG teams crash onto that at full power always made me wince, did SGC seriously not have a budged for at least 1 crash mat? I'm surprised every mission didn't end with "the entire team broke their legs/arms on landing and are being treated for it... Again" 2. They meet a bacteria which eats energy and turns it into mass in the first ish seasons (can't remember the precise season or episode) rather than use it they insult it and then let it leave. Their enemies use entirely energy bassed weapons, and we saw Teal'c's staff weapon FEED the bacterial, making it stronger. Coat the military uniforms in that bacteria and you cannot lose, even Anubis did something similar in later seasons, but SGC never once thinks to copy the design. Then you can coat the iris with the bacteria, removing one of its few weaknesses, which is prolonged energy based attacks. We know it can survive in space, so now count the few space ships immune to energy weapons, giving the enemy exactly 0 wayw to kill you other than ramming, which isn't an issue because earth ships seem to out speed them. 3. Basic quarantine procedures when going off world and being exposed to alien life. Half the plot of the first season could've been avoided with a simple "I think we should quarantine sg1 until we can confirm they are safe" instead of letting them instantly return home and spread diseases. Admittedly they do seem to implement something similar after around 7 years of in universe operations but it's the thought that counts. 4. The only advantage humans have in the first 7 ish seasons is man power. Why then are teams comprised of 4 ish people. Use the Roman system and send an entire cohort per team, at minimum. Use tanks whenever you need heavy fire and defensive positions. Design jets that fit through the Stargate so the air force is in the air instead of simply being a ground army. Reveal to the world you have space ships and churn out 5 daedalus class ships every year instead of 1 every 5 years.
The confines of TV show development budget are murderous on the potential of what they could've done with the plot if they'd immediately expanded it beyond the "small away teams exploring anomalies" trope that Star Trek already made me bored of... the first movie already posed the question of "how would we deal with dangers from a world we know nothing about", SG1 could've opened up into a full war arc between humanity and the Goa'uld using colonies on other worlds as staging grounds to bypass gate security, full armies being sent through the gate to perform long-distance operations across the universe, but we basically just get... Star Trek but on the ground, in the 21st century, and literally every planet they visit after Abydos is a forest because finding interesting set locations on a cheap budget is impossible...
Minor correction about your complaint about the rockets... you made it sound like enemies might come through the gate so we'd shoot back with the rockets to blast their ranks trying to come through the gate. The problem with that is that the stargate is not bi-directional... matter can only go one way through it, from the dialing gate to the receiving gate. The only things that can go through both directions are electromagnetic energy, such as radio waves and video transmissions.
The Stargate is one-way btw - If an enemy is coming through then you're not going to be able to fire through the gate at them...You've got to wait till they're in the room! - I would say that you should give Stargate: Universe another chance - It's a slow starter but it was getting better and better before it was cancelled way too early. Just imagine if SG:U had been given the leeway that ST:D has been given!
Couple things that always bugged me about Stargate. The air force have a couple JSOC type operators granted ( Pjs are not to be messed with, those cats don't play) but the second tjat thing spun up JSOC would take over and DELTA would be the force selected in a instant. Also, the navy would be slotted in for the running of the ships as soon as the "Prometheus" got planed let alone lifted given the NAVY has experience and the forces to take, occupy, build, and run a area (see bees and Marines anyone ?) As well as the main ship has fighters as well as aux craft. Fatal funnel the gate room and mount 20mm sea wiz sides and watch the invading troops get tuned into chunky salsa with extra ketchup R2D2 with a hard on go BERRRRRRRRRRT
I still don't understand the total absence of any sort of tactical vehicle being utilized by SG teams. They're almost always on foot. (Unfortunately it's probably for budget reasons with the show, but it still bugs me.) I'm back with math. If the Stargate is 6.7 meters in diameter, (quoted from the wiki) I can't get a figure on how much of that diameter is the physical ring itself, so we'll just round down and say the inner diameter (and the diameter of the event horizon) is 6 meters. Then we can use math to determine the maximum size square that can be fit through it. Gonna skip the math, we get a square that's 4.2x4.2 meters, or 13.5'x13.5' since I'm American (it's super simple [apparently not, given how I screwed it up the first time], but would be too time consuming for a YT comment) a humvee would easily fit at about 8' wide x 7' tall (depending on which turret it's fitted with). An Abrams tank would squeeze in at at 12' wide x 9' tall. A Huey helicopter would fit with the rotor removed for transit. But unfortunately none of these vehicles could be used since the embarkation room had no space for them (and the studio didn't have the budget)
in my world the st would be down a long hallway and on the other end of that hallway an bunker systhem with big guns pointing down that hallway so everything nasty entering would eat depleted uranium shells
Not going to do my normal ALERT security team skit on this videos because I have to point out for people who are unfamiliar with military equipment or tactic but adding on to your comment about the missile launcher back blast... That is why in real life troops will yell back blast clear also I'm not sure if it is this base but if this is in fact the base were NORAD is stationed in real I'm like 99% sure that the navy Corp of engineers built the bunker most likely wrong here
SGC is built in a part of NORAD, but I honestly don't remember an open-top missile silo being /part/ of NORAD. Granted, the story explains it as a training facility, but still.
Soo I asked one of my Navy buddy's to do some digging the NORAD bunker was in fact built by the US Navy corp of engineers one because of one reason ONE. The politicians though that if the damn thing was built like a ship it would be built to be more safer from nuclear attacks and well its true. The whole bulk head and air tight compartments design helps it out a lot. Side note the bunker is in fact a large building on springs not obviously its a lot more complicated then that but the most important shit is in fact located up off the ground on springs deep within the mountain this was done to two reasons to prevent or at least delay building decay and also to help absorb shock from earthquakes and nuclear bombs blast... So I kinda found that funny that the Navy built it and no there never was a missile silo there because well that's basically where we would coordinate nuclear attacks from among other tnings .... Side note in the NORAD bunker there is a storage closet that is labeled SGC gate room military personnel only....
I get a lot of your points, but you're wrong on a few things. The shield for the control room seems to come from the side, not above. Stargates are one-way wormholes. You can't shoot into a gate that opened up to you.
You could (and should) just have a mile long corridor. At one end a wall X meters thick. Put a hole, two if you’re feeling cheeky in it. Fixed mount, reinforced, sitting on the other side pointing at the gate. Take your pick of a GAU with an ammunition dump millions of rounds strong or a sawn off naval gun, the bigger and more brute force the better. Or both, get that military contractor money, you know you want it! Not only is this set up infinitely more effective it is both cheaper and easier in addition to just being so consistent you could conscript the most uneducated normie that wouldn’t even make it to boot camp to run it. You know, idiot proof, like the actual militaries of the world are fond of.
The best design would be a triangular room, with the gate sitting at the narrow tip. Any enemy that piles out will have no place to go and be exposed to fire from the broad base of the triangle. Set up bunkers and fixed MG positions, and site the control room a level above, so they can still observe the gate, but so that they are not in a straight line and can avoid taking arrows in the arm. Have staggered fire positions and overlapping kill zones, and two barrier doors for access. If it all goes south, seal the doors and make it so you can fill the room with something nasty as a last ditch effort.
Sounds great...but, what is the cost though?? Doubt that Gen. Mitchell could have swung for that much expense without some serious bigwig backing. I always wondered about those 50 cal placement. Seems an easy enough fix for relatively low cost, just move them to the back corners of the room behind some concrete and steel plate half walls. Or better yet have a couple auto turrets mounted on the walls line of sight with the gate.
I'd say a long and small tunnel would be more effective. The enemy won't have physical space to spread out, so you can mow them down with a wall of guns at the end of the corridor, plus you can place guns along the tunnel shooting perpendicular to it (just space the guns so that they won't fire into each other). For giggles, you can also mount guns shooting down. Also, the spanish inquisition. Nobody expects that.
I would do an hoursglass shape with the gate at the thin centerpoint. You would have weapons behind the gate and at as angle, so as the bad guys spread out you can shoot them in the back.
Why not make that Triangular room into an improvised rocket nozzle? Put a big old nuclear rocket engine at the pointy end, evacuate the room of air. Bad guys dial in?, let her ripp! ...
the stargate was a gift, free for any foe to take as log as they didn't try to get there via the gate itself (with military force at least) the only most-worst defended place/item I have seen in media was maybe the "one ring" which was basically trolling it's way trough the generations as it waited on a respawn timer, spreading chaos and envy wherever it was.
I mean getting *IN* to Mt Cheyenne is probably a bigger pain in the dick. THough ti was shown that yes a direct attack from orbit was the biggest threat in one of the early season finales.
Like Rhodey said in Iron Man 2, 'It's the kill box, this where you go to die" This is something that has always bugged me in Stargate but it is also a common occurrence in many other franchises, their really vital top-secret installations have terrible defenses. But as bad as the SGC is, the place where the Russians keep their Stargate is absurd, I will give them points for the location in the middle of Siberia but the Facility itself is just a giant factory with a few airtight doors and their only defense is nerve gas. It is actually a running theme in stargate that Russians are stupid which is a real shame because I would have loved to see properly coordinated missions with the Russians. I would have also loved to see an armoured column being deployed through the stargate, it would have been awesome to see all their new tech applied to ground vehicles. Imagine a BMPT Terminator with twin staff weapons blazing away with twin repeater staff weapons or an M2 Abram armed with a heavy plasma cannon, actual the Terminator would be perfect for fighting the Jaffa because it's armoured like a tank which would give protection against staff weapons and its twin 30 mm autocannons firing 600 rpm would shred entire companies of Jaffa replicators. 😅
@@bkane573 That is true but should be a last resort not your only option. But would have made an excellent last line of defense in the SGC before the self destruct.
...no... staff weapons are terrible. it’s literally shown in the show staff weapons have very poor accuracy and are called weapons of terror. because they primarily weren’t meant to kill but to cause fear. also the USSR (not russia, show starts during cold war and than its russia ) weren’t portrayed as dumb. they went undetected after blackbird for months running their own stargate program by timing their stargate activation with SGCs stargate activation. furthermore nerve gas wasn’t their only defense. in water gate they’re only detected because liquid aliens kept the gate open and started taking over people in their rescue mission. the nerve gas was an emergency measure
@@bkane573 Only if your opponent is vulnerable to the same chemicals you are. Which in the case of the Goa'uld they _are,_ but only because they're actually using human hosts.
I’m sure with a bigger budget the show could’ve had a better looking room, having the control room and the stargate on the same set was probably meant to save precious bucks.
I tend to think it was more for dramatic purposes, both the control room windows and the briefing room windows overlooking the gate. Of course that doesn't excuse leaving either in line with someone on the other side of the gate.
That Rocket launcher is worse than you might imagine. Wormholes in this franchise are one way so if an enemy is coming though the gate then you can't shoot back at the people on the other side.
I think it's really be used when firing through it when you need to attack a location that has a Stargate. Why it's always there? Probably have no place else for it.
@@Andulvar Which is even more odd, they have a twin arm carrying modified Maverick missiles for that purpose, AGM-65E to be specific as it was shown to be laser guided.
The wormholes are definitely not one-way. SGC just generally have no reason to send people to a planet that someone is calling from, especially if they don't know who it is or where they're calling from, so you almost never actually see them entering an inbound gate. Especially since sending anything through an inbound gate means opening the iris and exposing yourself to whatever is on the other side doing exactly what is talked about in this video.
@@serbeardian8849 Stargates, for matter transportation, is 100% one-way. That's why one of the most common isolation tactics in the series is to Dial to your enemy and hold the Gate open. Not only are you ensuring that YOU have reinforcements, but you are holding up the primary way for your enemy to escape.
Yeah, there a lot of issues with the gate room and the SGC. One idea I heard was to drop the gate into a deep slot that just fits the gate. Anything that gets through walks/slams into a solid wall buried even further underground. But I'd still fill the darn room with auto turrets.
Swear there was an episode where this happened on one of the worlds they dialed up. The gate was underground with just a couple inches of space. Also, they had a slot at the top of the room, where they dropped it into the gate room way back when (and removed it once when it was about to explode). Don't see why they couldn't have used that to store the gate when enemies where trying to dial in.
I can think of two additional security measures that they could have added relatively easily. One a mobile ramp, either one that lowers down to the ground or one that slides to the side. That would cause unauthorized personal coming through not expecting it the gate to take a 3ft or more fall and face plant into the ground. That's going to daze the attackers and the even as they start to recover the others behind them will fall on top of them. Oh and while it would suck for people coming back through in an emergency it could also be considered a bit of extra safety since they to will drop upon exiting, which they would be expecting and can prepare for, they would fall out of the way of any shots that were fired at them when they were extracting from their location. Second thing would be using explosive bolts for the rig holding up the stargate and have it set up so when they go off the stargate drops and falls over. Now which way you would design it to fall is really debatable, though I'd argue face up. I figure that way anything thrown, walks, or drives through would just would start coming out only to immediately fall back in and be destroyed, as opposed to face down which would have a little bit of space which something could be dropped or left, plus if the gate was immediately dialed again wormhole formation would dig out the spot underneath which then allows for bigger things to be dropped or come through. if you want the best of both set it up so after the stargate falls back face up a large concrete block fall over it to really prevent any thing from coming through.
Hahaha I just pictured a massive ball pit at the bottom of the gate. would be a safe landing for friendlys, and a confusing and be a massive impairment for any enemy. and o'niel would have soo much fun with it :p
@@wingedfish1175 It would be the emergency back up if the iris failed. Like emergency explosive bolts on the ODST drop pods in halo. It is used when the door is to damaged to open on its own. If the iris is damaged or its controls are not available this would be a worst case scenario plan.
Yes, the Gate Room should be an effective killbox. But right in front of the Gate should be a huge tunnel, with numerous blast doors, capable of shoving a continuous 38 minutes worth of men and vehicles through the Gate. An MAU should be able to roll through the thing quickly. Colonists. Trains. Thousands of tons of capital goods.
@@LtCWest and yet we barely get anything motorized through there. With as much huffing it on foot as they are you would think they would be on motorcycles or those special forces dune buggies. I get that they cant have a lot of dialogue during those scenes, but still. Humvees with 20mm cannons and tow launchers.
At least the Atlantis gate room didn't have the command center *directly in front of the stargate* to be rammed by any vessel flying through that couldn't slow down, at worst in Atlantis it would've just ramped off the stairs opposite the gate and crashed out the window... still not optimal but you don't lose your command center due to it being off to the side ^^;
I mean, in all fairness to the SGC, when the whole thing was set up it was just a classified research project that nobody had been able to get to work for 60+ years. So when they moved it to Cheyenne Mountain they just stuck it in the bottom of an old missile silo. By the time anyone figured out how to make it work (well, more than once, anyway) they had already installed the major power systems and massive computers deep in the mountain. Moving the gate itself wasn't a huge deal (they did it more than once during the series) but moving all the support equipment would have been a massive undertaking. So it was basically a dead-end science project that suddenly and unexpectedly became incredibly important, and the design of the room reflects that. The missiles really were incredibly stupid, though. Especially since gate travel is one-way, from the dialing gate to the receiving gate, so firing them through the gate would have been entirely useless.
Ok, granting that the support infrastructure would be an absolute mother to move, at least reconfigure it. Don't have the control room literally overlooking the embarkation room. Don't rely on a wall of manflesh to keep baddies from getting through. Do have some kind of immediate, on-sight biohazard containment, considering all the crap SG1 brought back with them over time. That room could have been made a lot better just as it sat, and given that everything on the other side of the gate easily rises to "the biggest threats humanity has ever faced", it should have been.
@@djolds1 at least turn the fricken stargate around - the "back side" of the wormhole is semi-transparent so you can actually see what comes out of it! (shootable through, like a one-way forcefield, is unknown) ... the incoming army have to pull a fricken U-turn! maybe put a trench in for the retreating SG teams to 'dive into' to duck away from incoming weapons fire that would just splash against a reinforced wall (that is sufficient distance from the gate not to get kawooshed into vapor)
I think the primary 3 issues are the secrecy, the billions spent on research and technology prior to activation and the fact that there was no expectation of it actually working in the way it did even if it could be proven to have worked previously. They can't ask for more funding without disclosing their ultra top secret project. They built the entire complex and the associated security measures decades before it became active. They were examining an alien relic thousands of years old which shouldn't possibly still be functional. At this point, I don't think they can make any serious changes to the layout until they're willing to disclose their current situation to the broader US government. And given the nature of their work it might be decades before a suitable administration can receive that information without starting a full blown global panic.
>Did they mean for Stargate Command to be THAT easily compromised? I think they meant to use only one level of the mountain base since that's all the US government allowed them to use. Such a shame that the US government never truly appreciated it's most advanced exploration program. It should come as no surprise though, considering they spent less on the Prometheus than they did on the space shuttle program. Politicians really hated the Stargate program.
In addition to all the excellent points you brought up I always thought that the gate room should've been more accessible to vehicles, there were so many episodes where it's just a walking tour and it sure would be nice to have a truck or ATVs , hell you could squeeze a Bradley through the gate.
A Stargate is only one-way (for matter) at any given time. If enemies have dialed in, any rockets fired into it on the receiving side would just be disintegrated. That rocket launcher literally can only be used on enemies that have already come through -- just a couple dozen yards in front of the launcher.
Seeing some of the other comments...a lot of people's suggested alternatives are taking it too far. The big issue is they're trying to defend against the unknown. If the enemy does that 'turn the gate into the bomb' trick all those miles of corridor you set up have now become a liability. Also, the silo is what the silo is. Even if you have the budget, there's only so much you can build while under a mountain. To put it bluntly I'd just move the machine guns to where the control room and briefing room are, and move those two rooms somewhere else if technically possible. If the enemy is serious and gets past the iris, anything in the first room is dead. Because of one-way travel there's nothing the defender can do to stop the attacker from putting an artillery piece right up to the gate and annihilating the first room with the scifi equivalent of a 155mm round. The real defense of the SGC was the self-destruct button. Basically they told the defenders that if there's a serious attack, they're fighting a suicide mission, and they were defending Earth by burying the stargate under a mountain. It's worth noting the standard practice in the rest of the galaxy is to not try to defend the stargate at all. More often than not on alien planets it was in a remote field in the middle of nowhere. This actually would make sense if you're not as overwhelmed as the humans were. The defender could let the attackers bottleneck their way through the gate, and then attack and cut down a fraction of them. See William Wallace at the Battle of Stirling Bridge.
Well, the placement of the stargate on most of the worlds was also dictated by their Goa'uld occupiers, and their method of combat invariably boiled down to basically "line up and shoot each other", and setting defensive traps for anything other than key worlds was almost considered unsporting.
@@SacredCowShipyards And that those defensive traps were going to usually consist of orbital bombardment or at least aerial bombing runs, so having it in the open made that easier.
It's even worse than that. If the Goa'uld dial in and start coming through the gate, that missile, the grenades, and the bullets are just gonna get pulverized when they hit the event horizon of that wormhole. Those things are one way at a time where it comes to matter. Apparently though, comms still work, so O'Neill and Teal'c could still keep up on thier Netflix from the other end of the galaxy... Not D+ though; it wasn't in the budget.
Water. You want General Hammond to have a button he can press that just fills the entire gateroom with water; disorienting and drowning all assaulting enemy infantry. And if you really wanted to violate the Geneva convention have aforementioned water also electrified.
During my many military briefings on the rules of land war fair, the Geneva & hauge conventions (most of what people call the Geneva convents are actually huage, nothing you suggested violated a convention. Can you cite what my training missed?
Sounds like you just proved the movie Independence Day (see alien holding cell), the video game Half Life (see anomalousml materials test chamber... among others), and Star gate all exist in the same universe... They all have the same facilities design contractor.
Room size was set set designers allocated space and budget. You have to admit the Air Force would have excavated a bigger room to some direction whether you think they would have initially had defences or a 30 man theater and entertainment center.
i loves the earlier series when they were trying to at least be a little sneaky but with extended serialisation comes excessive plot-armour afforded to the main cast and SG1 never fully benefited from having enough budget and redshirts to show how lucky they truly were sometimes. i swear, given a quarry, some fireworks/smoke-bombs/flares and a load of airsoft enthusiasts they could have done a LOT of good work in selling some of the skirmishes simply by zooming out a bit more. Screw the samey terrain, a bit of good old fashioned imagination and cheap-extras can work miracles even without much CGI (thunderbirds, star wars ep4 corridor defence, Quo Vadis and lest I forget the hot shots boat scene). I particularly appreciated that every death glider or mounted weapon that attacked fleeing troops would pointedly refuse to fire a salvo or 50 through the gate on the off-chance they would hit something amusing (like the base commander standing on the other side of the gate). I'd have hollowed out that entire section and modelled it after the Naarden star fort (moats included0 just for the fun of the thing, only bristling with every modern anti-material and defensive structure designed. plus some trap-doors into napalm pits, a few ankle/neck/belly high monofilament wires that whip around and a good old fashioned abrams tank turret or 3 for good measure. then use that as much on offence as for defence.
@@SacredCowShipyards From Hollywood and the BBC I learned that ALL alien terrestrial exo-planets are rock quarries. Indistinguishable from those in SoCal, the Pacific Northwest, or Wales.
A massive drop down electrified barb wire net would have been a better protection. Round it up with some high performance flame throwers. The cutting edge of an electrifying BBQ before you run out of air
In Jack’s defense…That arrow was made of trinium. The window is actually bulletproof….And it has blast shutters, Which once the technology became available were constructed of trinium. The design of the gate room is a relic of the fact that it was a missile silo prior to the project taking it over for testing purposes. The reason the TV show continues to use the same facility, is also a relic of the movie and production budgets. I think there might be some inter-service rivalry bleeding through here because your last statement on what the defensive scheme should be….ya, The Navy fails that as well. Look at it like this. It’s an all or nothing armor scheme. The SGC is parked on top of a nuclear SELF-DESTRUCT, if the shit hits the fan there’s no amount of armor that the SGC can use that will defend this mountain against enemy naquadria bombs….and any attempt to do so will only get in the way of the self destruct destroying the gate and ending the threat.
I have to root for SG1, they're my home town sci fi team! Fun fact, there's actually a room in the Cheyenne Mountain Complex marked SGC. It's deep, I don't recall how deep, but deep. It's a broom closet.
I would have put the gate over a lava pit with an iris for the floor. Also could mount the iris on a rotatable armature so you can point it up when enemies are coming. Incoming travellers would pop out the gate and immediately fall back into the event horizon which would vaporize them. That happened to at least one malp with a gate that was knocked on its back.
The Embarkation room is a refitted missile silo. The glass is supposed to be bullet proof. That is what made the arrow so surprising is the fact that it went through the glass. As for the rooms lay out... Yeah... It was pretty poorly designed.
Stargate Infinity actually fixed the gateroom at earth. Its a larger room with multiple bulkheads and armored shutters. The "CIC" also can retract into the wall.
@@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim its an alternate timeline. Sure the show sucked but if I were to use stuff in a reboot of Stargate I would not hesitate to look into Stargate Infinity.
Too be fair they were working with what they had at the start, an old missile silo, which does not explain why they did not move the gate to a new purpose built facility by the second season. The blast doors covering the control and briefing rooms are two parts and come in from the sides (you can see the line down the middle that divides the doors) and is that really a rocket launcher? It's not there all the time and the image looked more like a twin 20mm cannon to me. The two fifty cal guns would have been better mounted as remote units high on the walls or not there at all.
@@ReddwarfIV I do not remember seeing them close, but the center seam seemed to indicate a side closing door and I do remember the corridor outside the the entry door has a jog in it leaving lots of room for the door halves.
As to the defense, I agree. Filling the room with troops never made much sense. Was flashy. Even when the show was made, we had the tech for remote operated gun turrets and cameras. Could mount say 4, 50 cals with armor piercing rounds on turret mounts on the ceiling, ready to mow down any army coming through the gate. And if there have to have a rocket launcher, again I'd go with ceiling mount, possibly on a hydraulic piston so its exact elevation in relation to the gate can be adjusted for shooting into the gate. Also, with the 50 cals mounted on the ceiling pointing downward, they would have a field of fire to shoot through the gate down on any one coming through on the other side instead of into the air.
Interestingly, while gates can support two-way radio transmission (probably just for ease of writing purposes), they are uni-directional in matter transmission, from the source to the destination exclusively.
@ Ben Swem. I don't think the U.S. had any operational remotely-operated machinegun weapon systems during the time of the SGC. If so, what were they and when were they type-classified? Thx.
@@slimjimnyc270 Motors, wires, cameras, joy stick. They could do this in the 50s. Check out the B-36 Remote Gun Turret. Besides, look at how they controlled the MALPs
There's actually another flaw with Stargate Command. Stargates only permit travel in one direction. That means that if the Jaffa dial to Earth and fire through the gate, We can't fire back.
This makes me wonder if they ever made a construction of something akin to a wall of their little staff things in the shape of the portal the Stargate makes that were all wired to shoot in volleys as quickly as possible for when they didn't care how they got rid of people who were harassing them around a gate because they just annoyed them enough
@@robrib2682 In later seasons, Anubis had a Gate Buster weapon. It literally fired a beam of energy into the wormhole so the gate on the otherside would get overwhelmed with power and explode. Since the Gates are predominantly made of Naquadah, that is basically a planet killing explosion.
I agree. Although from an in universe perspective they didn't have allot to work with. They were stuck in a missile silo that doesn't leave a lot for modification(even though there are no missile silos in norad). And they had there own people like Sen. Kinsey trying to shiv them in the back. Although I would be very curious to see what you come up with if you decided to design your own Gateroom.
SG-1 problem was less about the sci fi tech. That was somewhat believable. Its problem was that they had zero military advisors on set, and it shows. Rifle backdrop is never a thought, uniforms are incorrect, behavior is all wrong (not talking about Jack, he's probably the most accurate to an ate up officer) I was Security Forces and guarded some weird crap in my day, and my training, ruined this show lol. Just like any aviation movie (first enlistment was a crew chief), and also cop shows (you guess it, did that too). So yeah, it narrows it down to a few things I can watch without rolling my eyes and thinking how cringe it is. Still, if I imagine that these were in fact NOT USAF, but CIA dummies acting as Airmen to conceal against other Air Force personnel in the installation, that could explain the fast and loose stupidity.
You overlook the fact that wormholes are unidirectional (one way) so if an enemy dialed in, you couldn’t use the missile launcher to fire missiles through the gate, so they must have planned to have the missiles explode inside the gate room.
I agree with all your points and arguments, but: Tv series budget. The set could only be X size. HAVING SAID THAT There should have been 20+ flamethrowers, miniguns, and rocks ready to fall unto anything coming unauthorized. Or a guy with a sprayer can of n-stoff (substance N), I guess.
I agree the SG-U was the least watchable Stargate show . But don't you actually LOVE the ship , Destiny ? Talk about " Built to Last " . And Elegant beyond words . When first " floated " she would have been MORE than a match for basically ANYTHING else in Sci-Fi .
There was a novel version of stargate that went down a different road... they wound up taking a very serious stance on gate defense, with guns that would pump lots of metal at high speed through things coming out the gate - and if to be believed, back up the wormhole to make things fun even for the guys on the way - if memory serves, they did that after an honor guard expecting to meet dignitaries at the gate instead met alien invaders... the invaders were ready for a fight. The honor guard was ready to definitely not shoot dignitaries. Will say, claymores might not be a bad idea - simple , cheap, effective against anything with unarmored bits. Doors that can be trivially dropped but not so easily lifted would also be good. Doors that lock are nice, but doors that are not easily budged even when unlocked? Much more secure - as picking or cutting out the lock doesn't get you anywhere.
Tbf for like half the og series stargate command was like in constant beurocratical war to justify its existance and budget. And even after solving the budget part it still had to resolve using what it could get.
7:29 Rocket would NOT go through if there is an INCOMING wormhole, things that go in the "wrong" way becomes "messy", so ALL these defenseless is totally useless against someone with a machinery standing on the other (outgoing) side of the gate & shooting into the gate (yes, the iris is the only thing protecting them, but if that fails...) and SGC can't do ANYTHING about that threat other than closing the iris.
To be honest, if I was designing a room, I would leave it about the same size and I wouldn’t bother with any auto Tourette’s. But the spot where the control room is and the conference room and the side walls on both those floors wouldn’t be plate glass or solid concrete. They’d be rows of those arrow slits that you see on the sides of all castles. The spot with the control room would probably have flamethrower in placements in the spot with the conference room would probably have the 250 caliber and placements. Also, those gun galleries would not be accessible from the Corredor’s directly outside the control room.
Rocket launcher couldn’t work for incoming traveler. Gates work only one way for matter and cohesive energy. Only radio/tv signals can go both ways due to bandwidth issues. Perhaps much of this was to lay down suppressing fire for outbound travel?
Yeah know one really stupid thing that was brought up was how the wormholes work. According to the show the portals are one way, so no shooting at invading troops. Which means that rocket launchers only purpose is to explode in the embarkation room. Man it would suck to have ears, when that thing fires and explodes. Anyways the thing is that even though they are one way, radio waves, through the power of space magic, can work both ways. Thus allowing communications via radio. There’s lots of other science problems but damnit it’s my favorite Sci-Fi show of all time.
I do think those are fair criticisms. This is Hollywood, or in this particular case, Vancouver, they can't be accused of thinking anything through, because of, budget.
Others have mentioned it but the Iris really was a cheat code. Anything going though the gate would encounter the iris while it was materializing. So it prevented anything from existing at all as it came through. People, bullets, cars, space ships, even energy blasts. Nothing could form coming through so for all intent and purpose the iris was a 100% effective defense and everything else was a stop gap while teams came back though, their defense only had to hold back what the away teams brought back with them, not against active assault. In such events that the Iris was by passed no mundane defense would have worked anyway!
Because any very powerful explosion underneath NORAD, which is also the back up command center for the entire US military incase of a nuclear war, is OK... I'm army, and I know the writers for this show were a bunch of civilians that didn't understand a lot of things about real military operations and security. But it's not like it's a hard subject to do a little research on. I also have not watched all the episodes of all the shows nor all the movies except the first. SGC should be in Nevada. Their command center should be miles from the gate. The gate should still be underground but we have built a lot of warehouses into mountain sides this is not a problem. The gates are big enough that an M1A2 Abrams MBT could drive through on on a raised platform, drop off might be an issue on the other side but if we control the other side that can be fixed. Strykers in all their variations could also fit through, think about the implications. You don't want Defenders directly in front of or behind the gate, nor anything vulnerable. However the ability to fire something big through it should always be an option. The defense force should be at least an armored cavalry regiment, with a couple nukes as emergency backup if a hostile is about to capture control of the gate. Controls for the gate should be near the gate but not line of sight, EMP shielded CCTV cameras are a thing after all. Yes, this means your scout and research teams to first go to a new address have a bit farther to walk... it also means you could send a whole platoon or company sized motorized element through the gate in the 30 minutes it can be open at a time. You're scout and research team security isn't drawn from the defense regiment, but is a separate force under SGC. Now I realize this is hard to do for a TV series, to many caste members and the sets would be huge. This isn't a job for the Airforce though, and the USA wouldn't guard such a thing lightly. Now once you get space craft in later series that's different. The initial exploration through the gate would be better handled by Army Rangers or Marine Corps Force Recon, with embedded science teams and if the immediate area around the exit gate is clear and a longer exploration mission is needed you can send through a Stryker battalion and some smaller helicopters with their rotors stored to be used on the other side over a period of several gate uses you can't explorer an entire earth sized planet that way but you can set up a FOB on the other side of the gate and explore a lot more than a small team on foot.
I mean you can cram the m203's with stuff like tear gas, flash bang or sponge / airfoil grenades, just because the rifles have underslung grenade launchers doesnt mean there loaded with HE.
This particular element felt weird. Till I remembered it was an experiment in progress. And the troops on the gate need to be informed from the man in charge. And able to manage the gate dialing setup. Although honestly? The dialing should be two stories up. The man in charge 100 meters to the right, and on the voice powered phone with three subordinates on duty at all times. And the two 'view rooms' should be heavy weapons bunkers with multiple rocket launchers, grenades, flash bang, machine guns, and directed energy weapons like railguns and lasers in position to obliterate anything accessing the gate without permission. The garrison to man those positions is a short staircase away from the dialing system. The door in is separate from the dialing doorway by a series of blast doors and pillboxes. And while the away team should have access to screens relaying info from the Dialup room, they should be down by the Gate, not staring through glass at possible hostiles. But. That would require a larger set piece and more filming budget that was clearly spent on fancy Cg instead of laying out a realistic and practical HQ setup. As for the conference room? That can be in front or behind the gate if you like. I really don't care. Behind might be best. It looks great and its not like diplomats are important and apparently no one ever shoots out the back of the gate.
They should have built a box around the gate with a giant tank of something nasty above. When bad guys come banging at the door, just pour liquid galium or some ultra corrosive substance on them. Or napalm. Yes, cleaning after the fact would be inconvenient in underground base, but its better than alien superpower breaking out and conquering your planet. Modern application of pouring hot tar or sand on angry dudes under your castle gate :D
7:46 Stargates weren't bidirectional... except for like radio waves... I.e. if someone dials in, you can't fire a rocket through the gate back at them.
I don't understand why they didn't have automated turrets pointed at the gate. They had the cool addition of the Iris but no big minigun turrets? No flamethrower mount. They could have even adapted the staff weapons or have borrowed a big ship based weapon and pointed it in the direction of the gate. They could have had a moat around it. They could have lowered a huge concrete block over it if anything nasty was scheduled to come through. They could have had a spike trap or something waiting on the other end. The control room is definitely stupid. No huge deflector barricade at least? There's this thing called a camera, amazing invention. You just hook the control room in a different part of the base to this camera and Bob's your uncle. Weird. I am of the strong belief that Stargate was a very cheap production, and probably why it did so well because it had to depend on good writing and cast.
One other improvement you didn't mention that could be a big fuck you defense system is overhead dropped explosives, even basically dropping basically grenades (charge size) through tubes into the gate room would decimate any invaders. Would be a effective system contained inside of a room sealed with blast doors, hell you could have multiple charges in the system with overhead cameras protected by blast doors that close when the charges are dropped.
I think the biggest problem is that they put the SGC in the middle of Colorado instead of somewhere near the Groom Lake Facility in Area 51. They even use Area 51 in the show to reverse engineer the tech they brought back. You mean to tell me that there is not a suitable location in the entirety of the Nevada Test Range they could not have built a facility for the SGC and not have anyone really question it because Area 51?
